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Buzz
04-02-2010, 08:54 AM
MOUNT DORA A doctor who considers the national health-care overhaul to be bad medicine for the country posted a sign on his office door telling patients who voted for President Barack Obama to seek care "elsewhere."

"I'm not turning anybody away that would be unethical," Dr. Jack Cassell, 56, a Mount Dora urologist and a registered Republican opposed to the health plan, told the Orlando Sentinel on Thursday. "But if they read the sign and turn the other way, so be it."

The sign reads: "If you voted for Obama seek urologic care elsewhere. Changes to your healthcare begin right now, not in four years."

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-mount-dora-doctor-tells-patients-go-aw20100401,0,5593120.story?page=1

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road kill
04-02-2010, 09:07 AM
Suhweeeeet!!!
Can't wait to see a 6 paragraph diatribe about what this really means!!:D

rk

subroc
04-02-2010, 09:11 AM
sounds good.

they can walk through the door even if they voted for obama, they are just not welcome and may not "feel" welcome.

free speech.

Jeff will be here soon enough to give us the diatribe...

YardleyLabs
04-02-2010, 09:33 AM
sounds good.

they can walk through the door even if they voted for obama, they are just not welcome and may not "feel" welcome.

free speech.

Jeff will be here soon enough to give us the diatribe...
I have no problem with his sign at all. In fact, it would be fair if no Obama supporters and, in fact, no one with coverage financed through any public source every visited his office again.:rolleyes:

EDIT: It's nice to see that this doctor attended a state school for his under graduate education and residency. However, I normally avoid doctors who attended medical school in Grenada.

BonMallari
04-02-2010, 09:34 AM
with this health care bill we will all need to see a proctologist real soon because that snap you heard was not the sound of a latex glove

M&K's Retrievers
04-02-2010, 09:39 AM
I have visited with about 25 physicians in the past couple of months and have yet to find one who spoke favorably about Obama or his politics-not just his healthcare agenda. The common comment is " I'm glad I'm not just starting out or I probably would do something else".

Buzz
04-02-2010, 09:44 AM
I have visited with about 25 physicians in the past couple of months and have yet to find one who spoke favorably about Obama or his politics-not just his healthcare agenda. The common comment is " I'm glad I'm not just starting out or I probably would do something else".


You visit doctors to talk about politics?

M&K's Retrievers
04-02-2010, 10:03 AM
You visit doctors to talk about politics?

No. Some are clients and some were seen during my wife's recent hospital confinment, follow up treatment and PT. Also, my wife worked as the assistant administrator for the local hospital for over 10 years so we know most of the local docs. Being a hot topic it's just about all everyone talks about. They know health insurance is my profession and usually ask my opinion. That's usually when their venting begins.

subroc
04-02-2010, 10:05 AM
I have no problem with his sign at all. In fact, it would be fair if no Obama supporters and, in fact, no one with coverage financed through any public source every visited his office again.:rolleyes:

:D chuckling :D

sounds good. I guess obama supporters will show him...

I expect the sign will generate far more business for political reasons than is lost by those that choose to leave for political reasons.

YardleyLabs
04-02-2010, 10:21 AM
:D chuckling :D

sounds good. I guess obama supporters will show him...

I expect the sign will generate far more business for political reasons than is lost by those that choose to leave for political reasons.
You're probably right....after app, he does specialize in erectile dysfunction.:p

subroc
04-02-2010, 10:46 AM
no, that should happen naturally, just with the thought that some democrats got screwed by the doctor in a similar manner to the way obama is screwing them will probably cure some (act a bit like an aphrodisiac), I expect it will be because there are more registered republicans in that county.

david gibson
04-02-2010, 10:49 AM
no, that should happen naturally, just with the thought that some democrats got screwed by the doctor in a similar manner to the way obama is screwing them will probably cure some (act a bit like an aphrodisiac), I expect it will be because there are more registered republicans in that county.

huh? care to expand on that?

subroc
04-02-2010, 10:55 AM
huh? care to expand on that?

not being welcome...much like the republicans are not welcome by obama. you know, exclusion.

seems pretty clear to me. you'll catch up.

david gibson
04-02-2010, 11:06 AM
not being welcome...much like the republicans are not welcome by obama. you know, exclusion.

seems pretty clear to me. you'll catch up.

so not being welcome equates to being screwed? you are accusing the doctor of violating his oath?

the "huh" was sarcastic with disbelief you would be so, well.... i'll be respectful and refrain....

david gibson
04-02-2010, 11:07 AM
I have no problem with his sign at all. In fact, it would be fair if no Obama supporters and, in fact, no one with coverage financed through any public source every visited his office again.:rolleyes:

EDIT: It's nice to see that this doctor attended a state school for his under graduate education and residency. However, I normally avoid doctors who attended medical school in Grenada.

thats going be harder and harder to accomplish as time goes on my friend....

subroc
04-02-2010, 11:14 AM
so not being welcome equates to being screwed? you are accusing the doctor of violating his oath?

the "huh" was sarcastic with disbelief you would be so, well.... i'll be respectful and refrain....


no need to refrain. say what you think.

feel free to feign outrage at something I said. Left wing outrage just makes me chuckle.

Hew
04-02-2010, 12:44 PM
EDIT: It's nice to see that this doctor attended a state school for his under graduate education and residency. However, I normally avoid doctors who attended medical school in Grenada.
I see the Leftwing Hate Machine is already cranked up and has done their opposition research within a few hours of the news breaking. He doesn't agree with Obamacare so he must be crushed and his motivation, reputation and professionalism questioned.

I see now too that the new talking point is that if you don't believe in Obamacare then that must mean you're a hypocrite if you send your kids to public schools, drive on public streets or flush your crap down a public sewer pipe. Because logically how could you support any public sector if you're in opposition to Obama care, right? :rolleyes:

badbullgator
04-02-2010, 12:48 PM
LOL Love ya HEW

Are you coming down next weekend?

YardleyLabs
04-02-2010, 12:49 PM
I see the Leftwing Hate Machine is already cranked up and has done their opposition research within a few hours of the news breaking. He doesn't agree with Obamacare so he must be crushed and his motivation, reputation and professionalism questioned.

I see now too that the new talking point is that if you don't believe in Obamacare then that must mean you're a hypocrite if you send your kids to public schools, drive on public streets or flush your crap down a public sewer pipe. Because logically how could you support any public sector if you're in opposition to Obama care, right? :rolleyes:
Actually, I pulled the information off of his FaceBook page and DoctorFinder.:rolleyes: I just love the selective enemies of socialism -- it's consistent with the normal policy of borrow and spend made so popular by Reagan and Bush. BTW, you will be happy to know that he is also a fan of the Tea Party on FaceBook.

Buzz
04-02-2010, 01:06 PM
Jeff, I have an old fraternity brother that went to medical school at Grenada. I wouldn't hesitate to be his patient. I wouldn't let him mix me a bloody mary though, deadly...

I would have to have some concern about putting my health in the hands of a doctor who took his professional ethical obligations so lightly.

dnf777
04-02-2010, 01:15 PM
I think its a shame and sad to see someone let politics override their professional demeanor. While its perfectly his right to turn away non-emergent patients, do you really think that there are not some who voted for Obama who he took care of in the middle of the night, and would give the shirt off his back for? Or the patients do the same for him? I don't think such an un-invitation is appropriate is the larger scheme of a doctor taking care of his patients. Some things should transcend politics, and I think a doctor's relationship with his patients is foremost in that category. While it's his right, I think it shows a tremendous lack of professionalism, compassion, and judgement. It certainly has generated some chest-thumping in the proper circles, though.

Would anyone here like to see a judges station with a sign saying, "IF YOU VOTED FOR OBAMA, NO NEED TO RUN YOUR DOG!"??

If your answer is yes, please don't post it. I'd hate to think anyone is that intolerant of other dog enthusiasts.

Buzz
04-02-2010, 01:19 PM
Would anyone here like to see a judges station with a sign saying, "IF YOU VOTED FOR OBAMA, NO NEED TO RUN YOUR DOG!"??

If your answer is yes, please don't post it. I'd hate to think anyone is that intolerant of other dog enthusiasts.

I think I know of one liberal that is judging a bunch of conservatives today. I think it's pretty bloody, but blood is being shed from both sides of the aisle.;-)

What if a sick person sees the sign, and doesn't know that the doctor can't actually turn anyone away ethically, and then leaves at risk to his health?

Terry Britton
04-02-2010, 01:27 PM
I have no problem with his sign at all. In fact, it would be fair if no Obama supporters and, in fact, no one with coverage financed through any public source every visited his office again.:rolleyes:

EDIT: It's nice to see that this doctor attended a state school for his under graduate education and residency. However, I normally avoid doctors who attended medical school in Grenada.

The guy passed the required medical exams for licensure that many from private ivy league schools fail each year.

dnf777
04-02-2010, 01:27 PM
I'm sure level-heads, sportsmanship, and goodwill shall prevail, and a fair, and arduous test will result! Be they liberal, conservative, black or white....this is about the dogs and who can coax the best performance out of them. Like I said, some things should transcend politics.

Have a great weekend!

YardleyLabs
04-02-2010, 01:29 PM
The guy passed the required medical exams for licensure that many from private ivy league schools fail each year.
Terry, I can absolutely guarantee that no one graduating from Princeton's Medical School has ever passed a licensing exam.;)

WRL
04-02-2010, 01:41 PM
You're probably right....after app, he does specialize in erectile dysfunction.:p

Yep....course its a good thing he wasn't a proctologist....WHERE WOULD THE DEMOCRATS GO????

WRL

YardleyLabs
04-02-2010, 02:00 PM
Yep....course its a good thing he wasn't a proctologist....WHERE WOULD THE DEMOCRATS GO????

WRL
:D:D:D
Apparently Cassell began his studies at St. George's Medical School in Grenada in 1978, the year after it was opened, and left in 1983, around the time of the American invasion to "save" the medical students. He did his residency in Newark under the auspices of the Rutgers Medical School before moving to Florida. He attempted to form a Hospital/physician group based HMO, but that seems to has disintegrated. He now lives in an 1800's farmhouse next to an orange farm that I suspect any of us would envy. All in all, he sounds like an interesting person notwithstanding his politics. He has some of the worst patient ratings ever on a couple of the physician rating web sites, but I suspect that a number of those ratings were given over the last couple of days. For those in need of an exciting read, he also authored the compelling page turner Better Living Through Urology.;)

BonMallari
04-02-2010, 04:08 PM
I have no problem with his sign at all. In fact, it would be fair if no Obama supporters and, in fact, no one with coverage financed through any public source every visited his office again.:rolleyes:

EDIT: It's nice to see that this doctor attended a state school for his under graduate education and residency. However, I normally avoid doctors who attended medical school in Grenada.

Jeff, my brother went to med school in Grenada. St Georges University School of Medicine...he also did two years in London as an intern with St.Georges,two years in Dearborn Michigan with a hospital affiliated with St. Georges univ..80% of his classmates were American students with one being the son of the deputy Sec. of State of the US...my brother also carries a master's degree from Texas A&M..and he is a board certified doctor

dnf777
04-02-2010, 04:44 PM
There are, no doubt, excellent docs who went to Grenada, Guadalajara, etc...
There are many not so good docs who went there as well. Same goes for US medical schools. You get out of an education, what you put in, in most cases.

The two distinctions I would make are the following:

1) most US schools require clinical clerkships at approved programs with specific curricula and established goals, and provide locations with adequate exposure to patients and diseases. You can learn much from reading books, but ultimately require exposure and interaction with patients to truly learn the "art of medicine". Foreign schools do not have these strict requirements, and therefore the students who take it upon themselves to find clerkships and get that education do well. (as I bet Bon's brother did, and several docs I know) Others, may not, and will graduate just the same.

2) Why would someone choose to attend medical school abroad? I would not believe someone if they told me they researched the schools, and thought the education was better! Mexico City, Grenada, Guadalajara are not exactly worldly places such as Paris, London, or Tokyo. At certain points in time, medical school entrance was so competitive, many good candidates were turned away due to sheer numbers. The year I matriculated at Jefferson, we had over 13,000 applicants for 250 spots. The math ain't pretty, and I would not assume a non-select who ended up in Grenada was less than outstanding. In other years, that might be a concern.

I don't know how the lay-public can even rate docs. Just like I have no idea how to find a good air-conditioning repairman. Consumer rating sites are notoriously misleading, and subject to personal bias. Even as a doc, I can only speak for other docs that I work with closely. Many quality markers are subject to biases as well. As soon as New York state began a public data base of cardiac surgeon's complication rates, guess what happened? All their complication rates decreased, while the Cleveland Clinic noted a surge in out of state referrals of complicated cases coming from guess where--NY.

david gibson
04-03-2010, 06:42 AM
I think its a shame and sad to see someone let politics override their professional demeanor. While its perfectly his right to turn away non-emergent patients, do you really think that there are not some who voted for Obama who he took care of in the middle of the night, and would give the shirt off his back for? Or the patients do the same for him? I don't think such an un-invitation is appropriate is the larger scheme of a doctor taking care of his patients. Some things should transcend politics, and I think a doctor's relationship with his patients is foremost in that category. While it's his right, I think it shows a tremendous lack of professionalism, compassion, and judgement. It certainly has generated some chest-thumping in the proper circles, though.

Would anyone here like to see a judges station with a sign saying, "IF YOU VOTED FOR OBAMA, NO NEED TO RUN YOUR DOG!"??

If your answer is yes, please don't post it. I'd hate to think anyone is that intolerant of other dog enthusiasts.


reading comp 101 - go back to square one and start over - it specifically said he didnt/wouldnt turn anyone away, just that he would prefer they went elsewhere.

david gibson
04-03-2010, 06:46 AM
I think I know of one liberal that is judging a bunch of conservatives today. I think it's pretty bloody, but blood is being shed from both sides of the aisle.;-)

What if a sick person sees the sign, and doesn't know that the doctor can't actually turn anyone away ethically, and then leaves at risk to his health?

then they are stupid. the sign specifically says seek care elsewhere, doesnt say not to seek care. so if they dont get care and they meet an early demise, well, in the end, thats what Darwinism is all about anyway. one less democrat to propogate regards....

Buzz
04-03-2010, 08:36 AM
then they are stupid. the sign specifically says seek care elsewhere, doesnt say not to seek care. so if they dont get care and they meet an early demise, well, in the end, thats what Darwinism is all about anyway. one less democrat to propogate regards....

The last two specialists I saw were 6 week and 2 month waits to get in. So, if you've waited a month or better to get in and are told to go back on the waiting list, no problem?

dnf777
04-03-2010, 08:50 AM
reading comp 101 - go back to square one and start over - it specifically said he didnt/wouldnt turn anyone away, just that he would prefer they went elsewhere.

Uhhhh...I hope you're not teaching reading 101, because you seem to have a problem understanding basic english. The operant phrase of the sign stated, "SEEK UROLOGIC CARE ELSWHERE". Now maybe you're privvy to secret code words the rest of us aren't, but I don't see where there's "preferences" stated in that sign.

I may disagree with someone's political ideas, but my God, if they come to me as a patient, in need of help, by God I'll give them help. That goes for you, Hew, even UB. If someone is hurting or in need of professional care, then politics be DAMNED, you'll get caring compassionate care. We can argue later, when you're feeling better. What the hell has this world come to?

I think its time for the good doctor to take down his MD shingle, and become a politician, if that's all the compassion and dedication he has for his patients! As a physician, I'm ashamed and embarassed that one of my own brothers would turn away patients because of who they voted for!

road kill
04-03-2010, 09:07 AM
Uhhhh...I hope you're not teaching reading 101, because you seem to have a problem understanding basic english. The operant phrase of the sign stated, "SEEK UROLOGIC CARE ELSWHERE". Now maybe you're privvy to secret code words the rest of us aren't, but I don't see where there's "preferences" stated in that sign.

I may disagree with someone's political ideas, but my God, if they come to me as a patient, in need of help, by God I'll give them help. That goes for you, Hew, even UB. If someone is hurting or in need of professional care, then politics be DAMNED, you'll get caring compassionate care. We can argue later, when you're feeling better. What the hell has this world come to?

I think its time for the good doctor to take down his MD shingle, and become a politician, if that's all the compassion and dedication he has for his patients! As a physician, I'm ashamed and embarassed that one of my own brothers would turn away patients because of who they voted for!

Would your same opinion hold true for the KLOWNS in white coats milling about smartly at the Whitehouse Rose garden supporting socialized medicine??


Diferent shoe, different foot,


Unbelievable..........:razz:



rk

M&K's Retrievers
04-03-2010, 10:29 AM
[QUOTE=Buzz;594046]The last two specialists I saw were 6 week and 2 month waits to get in....QUOTE]

You are going to love the waits under Obama Mess.:rolleyes:

dnf777
04-03-2010, 12:34 PM
Would your same opinion hold true for the KLOWNS in white coats milling about smartly at the Whitehouse Rose garden supporting socialized medicine??


Diferent shoe, different foot,


Unbelievable..........:razz:



rk

Personally, I don't wear my white coat when politicking, or even posting on POTUS. ;-)

But there is a huge difference between representing your profession by wearing certain garb or uniforms.......and undermining your profession by denying the people you are sworn to serve, the very service you provide! HUGE DIFFERENCE!

I have no problem with firemen showing up in hats and boots to support something......but not putting a fire out at someone's house because they voted for the wrong canditate?? A true professional will treat the sick, put out a fire, protect and serve the public.....whatever their profession is, without regard to who someone voted for.

BTW, my wife threw out the box, so can you PM me your address? I have a favor to return...

Hoosier
04-03-2010, 03:23 PM
Uhhhh...I hope you're not teaching reading 101, because you seem to have a problem understanding basic english. The operant phrase of the sign stated, "SEEK UROLOGIC CARE ELSWHERE". Now maybe you're privvy to secret code words the rest of us aren't, but I don't see where there's "preferences" stated in that sign.

I may disagree with someone's political ideas, but my God, if they come to me as a patient, in need of help, by God I'll give them help. That goes for you, Hew, even UB. If someone is hurting or in need of professional care, then politics be DAMNED, you'll get caring compassionate care. We can argue later, when you're feeling better. What the hell has this world come to?

I think its time for the good doctor to take down his MD shingle, and become a politician, if that's all the compassion and dedication he has for his patients! As a physician, I'm ashamed and embarassed that one of my own brothers would turn away patients because of who they voted for!

The guy has his principles and is taking a stand. I can respect him for that, and from the tone of his sign, I don't think he gives a damn what you folks on the far left think anyhow.

dnf777
04-03-2010, 07:32 PM
The guy has his principles and is taking a stand. I can respect him for that, and from the tone of his sign, I don't think he gives a damn what you folks on the far left think anyhow.

That's fine, except "some of those folks" on the far left are his patients, who he has a doctor-patient relationship with, and depend on him in their times of need. Does who someone voted for trump all other considerations? Can we not rise above politics to do our sworn duty? Is it ok for daycare owners to kick kids out if they find out their parents voted for the wrong person? Should firemen refuse to put out a fire if someone has the wrong campaign sign in their yard? How about teachers refusing to teach your kids? Its ok with you, as long as its not your ox getting gored.

From my point of view, he's an embarrassment to the profession.
Another slant on this, is if any of the patients turned away are medicare beneficiaries, he may be in for some explaining, or risk losing his provider status.

david gibson
04-03-2010, 07:50 PM
man every time i dip into this site i realize how much i truly hate liberalism.

a facebook friend posted a nice pic of herself and kids about to enjoy a nice lobster feast. the very first comment was a stupid liberal saying "you know lobsters mate for life, dont you?"

she just had to piss on this ladies parade - and this a group of folks that know each other since grade school - 40 yrs+.

and she is dead wrong. just quoting the PETA talking points. ZERO fact check. this same idiot unfriended me for posting the "joker" pic of obama. said it was vile, mean, and unfair.

never mind that Vanity Fair did the exact same thing to Bush in July 2008.

oh, but thats different.....sheesh.

how any hunting enthusiast and gun owner can defend this A-hole in the whitehouse is beyond me. i just dont get it. you defend a guy that is wholeheartedly out to take away everything you cherish.

but you are just too stupid to see it. sayunara.

dnf777
04-03-2010, 08:27 PM
man every time i dip into this site i realize how much i truly hate liberalism.

a facebook friend posted a nice pic of herself and kids about to enjoy a nice lobster feast. the very first comment was a stupid liberal saying "you know lobsters mate for life, dont you?"

she just had to piss on this ladies parade - and this a group of folks that know each other since grade school - 40 yrs+.

and she is dead wrong. just quoting the PETA talking points. ZERO fact check. this same idiot unfriended me for posting the "joker" pic of obama. said it was vile, mean, and unfair.

never mind that Vanity Fair did the exact same thing to Bush in July 2008.

oh, but thats different.....sheesh.

how any hunting enthusiast and gun owner can defend this A-hole in the whitehouse is beyond me. i just dont get it. you defend a guy that is wholeheartedly out to take away everything you cherish.

but you are just too stupid to see it. sayunara.

Who the hell is defending Obama? This has NOTHING to do with Obama. This has to do with a doctor turning away his patients because of their political preference. This is about an inappropriate and unprofessional way of coping with one's internal strife. This thread has as much to do with Obama as the mating practices of crustaceans! You people are really full of hate. "Hatriot" is the new word that seems to fit. I have no doubt you love our country, but think everyone must be exactly as YOU are, or else you HATE them. Lighten up Francis.

Buzz
04-03-2010, 08:43 PM
a facebook friend posted a nice pic of herself and kids about to enjoy a nice lobster feast. the very first comment was a stupid liberal saying "you know lobsters mate for life, dont you?"

she just had to piss on this ladies parade - and this a group of folks that know each other since grade school - 40 yrs+.



All I can say is, who knew that liberals didn't like lobster?


Dave, thank you for the vocabulary lesson.;-)