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road kill
04-02-2010, 04:18 PM
I am sure he is just speaking "metaphorically!!??!!??":D

http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?v=XdkUkUZuqG


rk

Buzz
04-02-2010, 04:24 PM
They guy called him a liar. You COULDN'T HAVE read the bill 3 times. It's over 2000 pages.

Have you actually looked to see how much actual text is on each page? Not much.

I could not be a politician and listen to that crap. I'd go to jail for punching out an azzhole.

Hoosier
04-02-2010, 04:34 PM
They guy called him a liar. You COULDN'T HAVE read the bill 3 times. It's over 2000 pages.

Have you actually looked to see how much actual text is on each page? Not much.

I could not be a politician and listen to that crap. I'd go to jail for punching out an azzhole.

There's a joke in there somewhere, but I'll just let it go.

Buzz
04-02-2010, 04:39 PM
There's a joke in there somewhere, but I'll just let it go.

Is yours punched or bored?

road kill
04-02-2010, 04:42 PM
Is yours punched or bored?


Can't answer, he (Obama) is not done with it yet.:D



rk

Hoosier
04-02-2010, 04:47 PM
Is yours punched or bored?

And to think, I gave you a get your foot outta you mouth free card.

Marvin S
04-02-2010, 05:14 PM
I am sure he is just speaking "metaphorically!!??!!??":D

http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?v=XdkUkUZuqG


rk

I'll wager that the congressman has never held gainful employment :rolleyes:.

pat addis
04-03-2010, 07:36 AM
it is sad to say he is my congresman instead of calling him a liar he should have called him a idiot. i don't think he has ever had a job .

YardleyLabs
04-03-2010, 08:50 AM
I don't think he is one of the brightest light on the tree, If he were, he would have walked out with the first question. Attack video is a legitimate form of free expression, but that doesn't mean that the victim has o sit around and take it. Hare's professional career is not illustrious, but also shouldn't be dismissed. He is a high school graduate who attended, but never graduated, from Blackhawk College. After serving five years in the USAF during the Vietnam War, he worked as a cutter in a chothing factory. He became a union rep and rose to president of the local. moving on to become a congressional staffer who was ultimately picked to run for his boss's seat when his boss retired. His actual statement was "I don't worry about the Constitution in this context." in response to haranguing questions that were not shown in full. While states have instituted litigation against the Constitutionality of the health bill, there appear to be few grounds for challenge. The commerce clause of the Constitution is generally believed to provide ample coverage for the law, although the final word will rest with the Supreme Court.

subroc
04-03-2010, 09:12 AM
I expect the commerse clause will be exactly the grounds for appeal.

all the state specific backroom deals are exactly what the commerse clause is there to protect us from.

Buzz
04-03-2010, 09:16 AM
I don't think he is one of the brightest light on the tree, If he were, he would have walked out with the first question. Attack video is a legitimate form of free expression, but that doesn't mean that the victim has o sit around and take it. Hare's professional career is not illustrious, but also shouldn't be dismissed. He is a high school graduate who attended, but never graduated, from Blackhawk College. After serving five years in the USAF during the Vietnam War, he worked as a cutter in a chothing factory. He became a union rep and rose to president of the local. moving on to become a congressional staffer who was ultimately picked to run for his boss's seat when his boss retired. His actual statement was "I don't worry about the Constitution in this context." in response to haranguing questions that were not shown in full. While states have instituted litigation against the Constitutionality of the health bill, there appear to be few grounds for challenge. The commerce clause of the Constitution is generally believed to provide ample coverage for the law, although the final word will rest with the Supreme Court.


He should have realized that he was in the company of a couple of James O'Keefe wannabes. Let them eat fake. Republicans hate elitists. They loves them some Sara Palin because she is just so genuine. Qualified to be one heartbeat away from the Oval Office? You betcha. But when it comes to some Mr. Joe average Democrat who actually worked for a living, who isn't some elitist, well he obviously never worked a day in his life. What an idiot he is.

It's interesting how many FOX viewers have become overnight sensations at interpreting the constitution.

We all live in hypocrisyville now.

Hew
04-03-2010, 03:03 PM
[quote=YardleyLabs;594030 His actual statement was "I don't worry about the Constitution in this context." in response to haranguing questions that were not shown in full. [/quote]

That wasn't his actual statement at all. He said, "I don't worry about the Constitution on this, to honest with you." Then to justify his lamebrained idea he said, "I believe that it (the US Constitution) says we have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." When informed that those words are in the Declaration of Independence; not the Constitution, his reply was: "It doesn't matter to me." Probably just some more of that famous Democrat hyperbole, right?

Could you list the haranguing questions that were not shown in full? You must know what they were in order to presume they were haranguing. Thanks in advance.

And fyi, he didn't serve five years in the USAF. He served six in the Army Reserve. Are you just assuming he served during the Viet Nam war or do you know that for a fact? I didn't see in his bio on wiki or his Congressional website the years he served.

Hew
04-03-2010, 03:07 PM
He should have realized that he was in the company of a couple of James O'Keefe wannabes. Let them eat fake. Republicans hate elitists. They loves them some Sara Palin because she is just so genuine. Qualified to be one heartbeat away from the Oval Office? You betcha. But when it comes to some Mr. Joe average Democrat who actually worked for a living, who isn't some elitist, well he obviously never worked a day in his life. What an idiot he is.

It's interesting how many FOX viewers have become overnight sensations at interpreting the constitution.

We all live in hypocrisyville now.
Gosh. You Democratics are just so full of anger lately. I worry for the personal safety of those who don't agree with you.

dnf777
04-03-2010, 03:10 PM
Gosh. You Democratics are just so full of anger lately. I worry for the personal safety of those who don't agree with you.

Don't worry. Its not liberals or independents who are flying planes into buildings and shooting up or blowing up buildings, for the most part.

BonMallari
04-03-2010, 03:25 PM
Don't worry. Its not liberals or independents who are flying planes into buildings and shooting up or blowing up buildings, for the most part.

Flying planes into IRS buildings isnt a party affiliation thing...its a NUTJOB thing, same goes for blowing up buildings..your inference that it is , is way beneath your standards...;-)

dnf777
04-03-2010, 04:20 PM
Flying planes into IRS buildings isnt a party affiliation thing...its a NUTJOB thing, same goes for blowing up buildings..your inference that it is , is way beneath your standards...;-)

So I assume is was also beneath Hew's standards to imply that Democrats would somehow affect the "personal safety" of those who disagree? Well, on second thought....;-) I was just trying to put his mind at ease, in case he was worried about that.

But all the mentioned acts of domestic terrorism, do indeed have the common denominator of affiliations, rants, and bloggings related to extreme right wing politics. I don't think anyone has denied that. Come to think about it, Fox doesn't even mention it in their "fair and balanced" news presentation.

Hew
04-03-2010, 05:05 PM
The cat who flew his plane into the IRS building was a right winger? Why, because he had a beef with the IRS? Using your "logic," Obama better keep a close eye on that potential right wing fanatic Tim Geitner.

Here's a partial list of things you scary lefties have done recently (and this doesn't even include the Eric Cantor incident of violence and intimidation):

It was not the fear of conservative violence that caused Ann Coulter's speech to be cancelled (http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20100323/coulter_canada_100323/20100323?hub=BritishColumbiaHome) this week.
It was a liberal who bit the finger off a man (http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-finger-bitten-rally,0,7135717.story) who disagreed with him on healthcare.
It was Obama-loving Amy Bishop who took a gun to work (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_University_of_Alabama_in_Huntsville_shooting) and murdered co-workers.
Joseph Stack flew his plane into the IRS building (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/18/austin-plane-crash-office_n_467264.html) after writing an anti-conservative manifesto.
It was liberals who destroyed AM radio towers (http://www.newser.com/story/68673/ecoterrorists-topple-seattle-area-radio-towers.html) outside of Seattle.
It's liberals who burn down Hummer dealerships (http://www.hummerguy.net/hummer-news/extreme-hummer-hate-ignites-fear-in-denver).
It was progressive SEIU union thugs who beat a black conservative man (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr_4ZWEFOjQ) who spoke his mind.
It's doubtful that a conservative fired shots into a GOP campaign headquarters (http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-10-05-gop-office-attack_x.htm).
In fact, Democrats have no monopoly (http://www.wsmv.com/politics/17770884/detail.html) on having (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002059735_webbushoffice11.html) their offices vandalized (http://www.savethegop.com/?p=5005).
Don't forget it was Obama's friend Bill Ayers who used terrorism (http://www.academia.org/left-wing-violence-exposed/) as a tool for political change. SDS is still radical, with arrests in 2007 and the storming of the CATO Institute in July 2008.
It was a liberal who was sentenced to two years (http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS248104+14-May-2009+PRN20090514) for bringing bombs and riot shields to the Republican National Convention in 2008.
It was a liberal who threatened to kill a government informant (http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/local/2009/08/24/0824kibby.html) who infiltrated her Austin-based group that planned to bomb the RNC.
It was liberals who assaulted police in Berkeley (http://michellemalkin.com/2008/07/08/berkeley-tree-sitter-travesty-continues-officer-battered/).
It was liberals who intimidated and threw rocks through the windows (http://michellemalkin.com/2008/06/11/animal-rights-thugs-terrorizing-berkeley-researchers/) of researchers.
The two Black Panthers who stood outside polls intimidating people with nightsticks (http://michellemalkin.com/2008/11/04/black-panther-intimidation-at-the-polls/) were probably not right-wingers.
Every time the G20 gets together, it's not conservatives who destroy property and cause chaos (http://cofcc.org/2009/09/actual-political-violence/). http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mithridate-ombud/2010/03/24/medias-myth-right-wing-violence

subroc
04-03-2010, 05:15 PM
Nice.......

Hoosier
04-03-2010, 05:22 PM
The cat who flew his plane into the IRS building was a right winger? Why, because he had a beef with the IRS? Using your "logic," Obama better keep a close eye on that potential right wing fanatic Tim Geitner.

Here's a partial list of things you scary lefties have done recently (and this doesn't even include the Eric Cantor incident of violence and intimidation):

It was not the fear of conservative violence that caused Ann Coulter's speech to be cancelled (http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20100323/coulter_canada_100323/20100323?hub=BritishColumbiaHome) this week.
It was a liberal who bit the finger off a man (http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-finger-bitten-rally,0,7135717.story) who disagreed with him on healthcare.
It was Obama-loving Amy Bishop who took a gun to work (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_University_of_Alabama_in_Huntsville_shooting) and murdered co-workers.
Joseph Stack flew his plane into the IRS building (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/18/austin-plane-crash-office_n_467264.html) after writing an anti-conservative manifesto.
It was liberals who destroyed AM radio towers (http://www.newser.com/story/68673/ecoterrorists-topple-seattle-area-radio-towers.html) outside of Seattle.
It's liberals who burn down Hummer dealerships (http://www.hummerguy.net/hummer-news/extreme-hummer-hate-ignites-fear-in-denver).
It was progressive SEIU union thugs who beat a black conservative man (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr_4ZWEFOjQ) who spoke his mind.
It's doubtful that a conservative fired shots into a GOP campaign headquarters (http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-10-05-gop-office-attack_x.htm).
In fact, Democrats have no monopoly (http://www.wsmv.com/politics/17770884/detail.html) on having (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002059735_webbushoffice11.html) their offices vandalized (http://www.savethegop.com/?p=5005).
Don't forget it was Obama's friend Bill Ayers who used terrorism (http://www.academia.org/left-wing-violence-exposed/) as a tool for political change. SDS is still radical, with arrests in 2007 and the storming of the CATO Institute in July 2008.
It was a liberal who was sentenced to two years (http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS248104+14-May-2009+PRN20090514) for bringing bombs and riot shields to the Republican National Convention in 2008.
It was a liberal who threatened to kill a government informant (http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/local/2009/08/24/0824kibby.html) who infiltrated her Austin-based group that planned to bomb the RNC.
It was liberals who assaulted police in Berkeley (http://michellemalkin.com/2008/07/08/berkeley-tree-sitter-travesty-continues-officer-battered/).
It was liberals who intimidated and threw rocks through the windows (http://michellemalkin.com/2008/06/11/animal-rights-thugs-terrorizing-berkeley-researchers/) of researchers.
The two Black Panthers who stood outside polls intimidating people with nightsticks (http://michellemalkin.com/2008/11/04/black-panther-intimidation-at-the-polls/) were probably not right-wingers.
Every time the G20 gets together, it's not conservatives who destroy property and cause chaos (http://cofcc.org/2009/09/actual-political-violence/). http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mithridate-ombud/2010/03/24/medias-myth-right-wing-violence


Game, Set, Match.... Case closed......

YardleyLabs
04-03-2010, 06:39 PM
The cat who flew his plane into the IRS building was a right winger? Why, because he had a beef with the IRS? Using your "logic," Obama better keep a close eye on that potential right wing fanatic Tim Geitner.

Here's a partial list of things you scary lefties have done recently (and this doesn't even include the Eric Cantor incident of violence and intimidation):
It was not the fear of conservative violence that caused Ann Coulter's speech to be cancelled (http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20100323/coulter_canada_100323/20100323?hub=BritishColumbiaHome) this week.
It was a liberal who bit the finger off a man (http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-finger-bitten-rally,0,7135717.story) who disagreed with him on healthcare.
It was Obama-loving Amy Bishop who took a gun to work (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_University_of_Alabama_in_Huntsville_shooting) and murdered co-workers.
Joseph Stack flew his plane into the IRS building (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/18/austin-plane-crash-office_n_467264.html) after writing an anti-conservative manifesto.
It was liberals who destroyed AM radio towers (http://www.newser.com/story/68673/ecoterrorists-topple-seattle-area-radio-towers.html) outside of Seattle.
It's liberals who burn down Hummer dealerships (http://www.hummerguy.net/hummer-news/extreme-hummer-hate-ignites-fear-in-denver).
It was progressive SEIU union thugs who beat a black conservative man (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr_4ZWEFOjQ) who spoke his mind.
It's doubtful that a conservative fired shots into a GOP campaign headquarters (http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-10-05-gop-office-attack_x.htm).
In fact, Democrats have no monopoly (http://www.wsmv.com/politics/17770884/detail.html) on having (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002059735_webbushoffice11.html) their offices vandalized (http://www.savethegop.com/?p=5005).
Don't forget it was Obama's friend Bill Ayers who used terrorism (http://www.academia.org/left-wing-violence-exposed/) as a tool for political change. SDS is still radical, with arrests in 2007 and the storming of the CATO Institute in July 2008.
It was a liberal who was sentenced to two years (http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS248104+14-May-2009+PRN20090514) for bringing bombs and riot shields to the Republican National Convention in 2008.
It was a liberal who threatened to kill a government informant (http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/local/2009/08/24/0824kibby.html) who infiltrated her Austin-based group that planned to bomb the RNC.
It was liberals who assaulted police in Berkeley (http://michellemalkin.com/2008/07/08/berkeley-tree-sitter-travesty-continues-officer-battered/).
It was liberals who intimidated and threw rocks through the windows (http://michellemalkin.com/2008/06/11/animal-rights-thugs-terrorizing-berkeley-researchers/) of researchers.
The two Black Panthers who stood outside polls intimidating people with nightsticks (http://michellemalkin.com/2008/11/04/black-panther-intimidation-at-the-polls/) were probably not right-wingers.
Every time the G20 gets together, it's not conservatives who destroy property and cause chaos (http://cofcc.org/2009/09/actual-political-violence/).http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mithridate-ombud/2010/03/24/medias-myth-right-wing-violence


Game, Set, Match.... Case closed......
As a general rule, I don't think that violence typifies the overwhelming bulk of proponents from wither the left or right. In addition, the examples cited by HEW include a number where attributing the individuals as "liberal" has little relationship to anything. A prime example would be Joseph Stack who was affiliated with both right wing and left wing organizations and sentiments. However, if there is really a desire to compare left and right wing terrorism, it would be appropriate to consider the following:

Nine members of the anti-government Christian Militia group, the Hutaree, were arrested to prevent allegedly planned attacks on police officers to initiate a rebellion against government authority and the anti-Christ (March 28, 2010).
It was a right wing terrorist who parked his 7000 pound truck bomb outside the Oaklahoma City Federal Building on 4/19/1005 and set off an explosion killing 168 people, including 20 children.
Longtime white supremacist Dennis Mahon and his brother Daniel are indicted in Arizona in connection with a mail bomb sent in 2004 to a diversity office in Scottsdale (June 25, 2009)
Shawna Forde — the executive director of Minutemen American Defense (MAD), an anti-immigrant vigilante group that conducts "citizen patrols" on the Arizona-Mexico border — is charged with two counts of first-degree murder for her alleged role in the slayings of a Latino man and his 9-year-old daughter (June 12, 2009).
Eighty-eight-year-old James von Brunn, a longtime neo-Nazi, walks up to the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum and allegedly shoots to death security guard Stephen Johns (June 10, 2009).
Scott Roeder, an anti-abortion extremist who was involved with the antigovernment "freemen" movement in the 1990s, shoots to death Kansas late-term abortion provider George Tiller as the doctor is serving as an usher in his Wichita church (May 31, 2009).
Joshua Cartwright, a Florida National Guardsman, allegedly shoots to death two Okaloosa County, Fla., sheriff's deputies — Burt Lopez and Warren "Skip" York -- because he is upset by Obama's election (April 25, 2009).
Three Pittsburgh police officers — Paul Sciullo III, Stephen Mayhle and Eric Kelly — are fatally shot and a fourth, Timothy McManaway, is wounded after responding to a domestic dispute at the home of Richard Andrew Poplawski, an anti-Semitic and white supremacist political extremist (April 4, 2009).
Keith LukeOn the day after Barack Obama is inaugurated as the nation's first black president, Keith Luke of Brockton, Mass., is arrested after allegedly shooting three black immigrants from Cape Verde, killing two of them, as part of a racially motivated killing spree.(January 21, 2009).
Kody Ray Brittingham, a lance corporal in the U.S. Marine Corps, is arrested with four others on attempted robbery charges. A search of his barracks room at Camp Lejeune, N.C., allegedly turns up white supremacist materials and a journal written by Brittingham containing plans to kill Barack Obama. (December 16, 2008).
Two white supremacists, Daniel Cowart and Paul Schlesselman, are arrested in Tennessee for allegedly plotting to assassinate Barack Obama and murder more than 100 black people (October 24, 2008).
At the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church in Knoxville, Tennessee, motivated by a desire to kill liberals and Democrats, gunman Jim David Adkisson fired a shotgun at members of the congregation during a youth performance of a musical, killing two people and wounding seven others. (July 27, 2008)
Six people, most of them tied to the militia movement, are arrested in rural north-central Pennsylvania after officials find stockpiles of assault rifles, improvised explosives and homemade weapons, at least some of them apparently intended for terrorist attacks on U.S. officials.(June 8, 2008).
Five members of the Alabama Free Militia are arrested in north Alabama in a raid by federal and state law enforcement officers that uncovers a cache of 130 homemade hand grenades, an improvised grenade launcher, a Sten Mark submachine gun, a silencer, and 2,500 rounds of ammunition (April 26, 2007).
U.S. Treasury agents in Utah arrest David J. D'Addabbo for allegedly threatening Internal Revenue Service employees with "death by firing squad" if they continued to try to collect taxes from him and his wife. D'Addabbo, who was reportedly carrying a Glock pistol, 40 rounds of ammunition and a switchblade knife when he was seized leaving a church service, allegedly wrote to the U.S. Tax Court that anyone attempting to collect taxes would be tried by a "jury of common people. You then could be found guilty of treason and immediately taken to a firing squad." (March 19, 2006)
Daniel J. Schertz, a former member of the North Georgia White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, is indicted in Chattanooga, Tenn., on federal weapons charges for allegedly making seven pipe bombs and selling them to an undercover informant with the idea that they would be used to murder Mexican and Haitian immigrant workers.(June 10, 2005).
During the attempted robbery of a Tulsa bank by Wade and Christopher Lay, a father-and-son pair of political extremists, security guard Kenneth Anderson is shot to death. Both robbers are wounded, and are arrested a short time after fleeing the bank. At trial, Wade Lay testifies that he and his son acted "for the good of the American people" and in an effort to "preserve liberty." (May 24, 2004)
Police arrest anti-government activist Norman Somerville after finding a huge weapons cache on his property in northern Michigan that includes six machine guns, a powerful anti-aircraft gun, thousands of rounds of ammunition, hundreds of pounds of gunpowder, and an underground bunker. (October 10, 2003)

Buzz
04-03-2010, 06:52 PM
Where are the left wing militias?

YardleyLabs
04-03-2010, 06:55 PM
Where are the left wing militias?
Sorry, I was going to write about them but I had already hit the 10,000 letter limit.:D

M&K's Retrievers
04-03-2010, 07:10 PM
Where are the left wing militias?

Washington?

Buzz
04-03-2010, 07:27 PM
Here's a partial list of things you scary lefties have done recently (and this doesn't even include the Eric Cantor incident of violence and intimidation):



The police report that the bullet that went through a window in an office that is in the same building as one of Cantor's campaign offices fell at a sharp angle out of the sky. It broke through the window, did not penetrate the window blinds, and was found laying on the floor about 1 foot from the wall. The office building by he way had no information posted to identify it as an office of Eric Cantor's. Here is a great representation of how this terrorist marksman pulled off this remarkable deed.

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/007663fa72/the-eric-cantor-shooting-marksman-of-the-century


Here is more information about they guy that threatened Cantor.


Man arrested for Cantor threat also posted anti-Obama videos

By Ron Brynaert
Monday, March 29th, 2010 -- 4:10 pm
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Warning to all future nutjobs: make sure that your ransom notes or videotaped threats are clear about your political ideology or folks online and even in the mainstream media will pick one for you.

Politico's Jake Sherman reports, "Federal authorities have arrested a Philadelphia man and charged him with threatening to kill House Minority Whip Eric Cantor (R-Va.) and his family.

Norman Leboon will be charged with two federal counts: threatening to kill Cantor and interfere with his federal duties, and posting video online containing such threats. He is scheduled to appear in federal district court in Philadelphia on Monday afternoon.
The arrest is the most serious in a string of threats of violence against lawmakers in wake of the divisive health care vote. At least 10 Democrats along with a handful of Republicans, including Cantor, reported threats of violence during the past week.
Conservative radio host Laura Ingraham Tweeted to Fox News Channel's Greta Van Susteren, columnist Michelle Malkin and Red State blogger/CNN recent hire Erick Erickson the following message: "Cantor death threat perp was sane enough to donate $505 to Obama in 2008."


At her website, Ingraham titled her post "ObamaNut threatens to kill Rep. Cantor and family." After Malkin linked to her, she added a slight caveat regarding her "find."

As we've attempted to remind the dinosaur media (currently obsessed with Tea Party violence they can't find), there are nuts on every side. It will be interesting to see MSNBC spin this news, if it even covers it. The likes of Schuster, Olbermann, and Matthews will probably paint Leboon as an irrational, mentally-troubled individual who...wait a second--donated $505 to Obama?
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There's some confusion about whether the LeBoon in the videos is LeBoon "senior" or "junior" (or even whether a "Norman LeBoon Jr." exists) and it's not clear whether the "Norman LeBoon" of Philadelphia listed in the campaign finance disclosure database that JWF links is the same one charged by the FBI.
The Hill later noted that the DNC were probing the donations and would give them to charity if they were from the same person.

At her blog, Malkin wrote, "Laura Ingraham has a timely, turn-the-tables reminder of left-wing incitement."

But things are not that simple. Leboon's politics and even his religious views are all over the map.

As The Hill notes,

Despite having been arrested for threatening a Republican, however, Leboon appears to have leveled plenty of threats against Democrats, as well.
In one video, which was flagged by TalkingPointsMemo, Leboon makes threats against President Obama, as well as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), saying: "Your punishment is coming, the swine, it will be severe, and you will beg for mercy to your god. It will be severe, you will know god's swine, god has warned you."
At his blog, Leboon calls himself the "gay messiah" and links to a few anti-Obama videos.

A July of 2009 YouTube video uploaded by Leboon is titled "President Obama you’re TIME is UP! 2 video" and includes the following message:

You destroyed my Shia children, “I will destroy your America as I’ve already started! All your BANKS, ALL of America’s money will be GONE in days, NOT weeks or months! You defy me (Your God) and my Messenger! “Times up”… your training of my power is over and done! Say goodbye to your FREE WILL!!!
Love,
Prophet Mehdi

Marvin S
04-03-2010, 08:03 PM
As a general rule, I don't think that violence typifies the overwhelming bulk of proponents from wither the left or right. In addition, the examples cited by HEW include a number where attributing the individuals as "liberal" has little relationship to anything. A prime example would be Joseph Stack who was affiliated with both right wing and left wing organizations and sentiments. However, if there is really a desire to compare left and right wing terrorism, it would be appropriate to consider the following:

Nine members of the anti-government Christian Militia group, the Hutaree, were arrested to prevent allegedly planned attacks on police officers to initiate a rebellion against government authority and the anti-Christ (March 28, 2010).
It was a right wing terrorist who parked his 7000 pound truck bomb outside the Oaklahoma City Federal Building on 4/19/1005 and set off an explosion killing 168 people, including 20 children.
Longtime white supremacist Dennis Mahon and his brother Daniel are indicted in Arizona in connection with a mail bomb sent in 2004 to a diversity office in Scottsdale (June 25, 2009)
Shawna Forde — the executive director of Minutemen American Defense (MAD), an anti-immigrant vigilante group that conducts "citizen patrols" on the Arizona-Mexico border — is charged with two counts of first-degree murder for her alleged role in the slayings of a Latino man and his 9-year-old daughter (June 12, 2009).
Eighty-eight-year-old James von Brunn, a longtime neo-Nazi, walks up to the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum and allegedly shoots to death security guard Stephen Johns (June 10, 2009).
Scott Roeder, an anti-abortion extremist who was involved with the antigovernment "freemen" movement in the 1990s, shoots to death Kansas late-term abortion provider George Tiller as the doctor is serving as an usher in his Wichita church (May 31, 2009).
Joshua Cartwright, a Florida National Guardsman, allegedly shoots to death two Okaloosa County, Fla., sheriff's deputies — Burt Lopez and Warren "Skip" York -- because he is upset by Obama's election (April 25, 2009).
Three Pittsburgh police officers — Paul Sciullo III, Stephen Mayhle and Eric Kelly — are fatally shot and a fourth, Timothy McManaway, is wounded after responding to a domestic dispute at the home of Richard Andrew Poplawski, an anti-Semitic and white supremacist political extremist (April 4, 2009).
Keith LukeOn the day after Barack Obama is inaugurated as the nation's first black president, Keith Luke of Brockton, Mass., is arrested after allegedly shooting three black immigrants from Cape Verde, killing two of them, as part of a racially motivated killing spree.(January 21, 2009).
Kody Ray Brittingham, a lance corporal in the U.S. Marine Corps, is arrested with four others on attempted robbery charges. A search of his barracks room at Camp Lejeune, N.C., allegedly turns up white supremacist materials and a journal written by Brittingham containing plans to kill Barack Obama. (December 16, 2008).
Two white supremacists, Daniel Cowart and Paul Schlesselman, are arrested in Tennessee for allegedly plotting to assassinate Barack Obama and murder more than 100 black people (October 24, 2008).
At the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church in Knoxville, Tennessee, motivated by a desire to kill liberals and Democrats, gunman Jim David Adkisson fired a shotgun at members of the congregation during a youth performance of a musical, killing two people and wounding seven others. (July 27, 2008)
Six people, most of them tied to the militia movement, are arrested in rural north-central Pennsylvania after officials find stockpiles of assault rifles, improvised explosives and homemade weapons, at least some of them apparently intended for terrorist attacks on U.S. officials.(June 8, 2008).
Five members of the Alabama Free Militia are arrested in north Alabama in a raid by federal and state law enforcement officers that uncovers a cache of 130 homemade hand grenades, an improvised grenade launcher, a Sten Mark submachine gun, a silencer, and 2,500 rounds of ammunition (April 26, 2007).
U.S. Treasury agents in Utah arrest David J. D'Addabbo for allegedly threatening Internal Revenue Service employees with "death by firing squad" if they continued to try to collect taxes from him and his wife. D'Addabbo, who was reportedly carrying a Glock pistol, 40 rounds of ammunition and a switchblade knife when he was seized leaving a church service, allegedly wrote to the U.S. Tax Court that anyone attempting to collect taxes would be tried by a "jury of common people. You then could be found guilty of treason and immediately taken to a firing squad." (March 19, 2006)
Daniel J. Schertz, a former member of the North Georgia White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, is indicted in Chattanooga, Tenn., on federal weapons charges for allegedly making seven pipe bombs and selling them to an undercover informant with the idea that they would be used to murder Mexican and Haitian immigrant workers.(June 10, 2005).
During the attempted robbery of a Tulsa bank by Wade and Christopher Lay, a father-and-son pair of political extremists, security guard Kenneth Anderson is shot to death. Both robbers are wounded, and are arrested a short time after fleeing the bank. At trial, Wade Lay testifies that he and his son acted "for the good of the American people" and in an effort to "preserve liberty." (May 24, 2004)
Police arrest anti-government activist Norman Somerville after finding a huge weapons cache on his property in northern Michigan that includes six machine guns, a powerful anti-aircraft gun, thousands of rounds of ammunition, hundreds of pounds of gunpowder, and an underground bunker. (October 10, 2003)

& not a one of those nutjobs ever voted for a Democrat? I would have said liberal but we all know that 99.9% of D's are liberal just like everyone who goes to church or owns a gun has to be an R :(.

You really need to get a life ;-) :) !

Buzz
04-03-2010, 08:10 PM
& not a one of those nutjobs ever voted for a Democrat? I would have said liberal but we all know that 99.9% of D's are liberal just like everyone who goes to church or owns a gun has to be an R :(.

You really need to get a life ;-) :) !


Marv, I own 9 guns and have a permit to carry. ;-)

Almost forgot, I go to church too. Can you believe that I was even an alter boy for a few years and considered the seminary?

YardleyLabs
04-03-2010, 08:11 PM
& not a one of those nutjobs ever voted for a Democrat? I would have said liberal but we all know that 99.9% of D's are liberal just like everyone who goes to church or owns a gun has to be an R :(.

You really need to get a life ;-) :) !
And yet, you have nothing to say about HEW's post? Fair and balanced regards....:rolleyes:

Marvin S
04-03-2010, 10:41 PM
Marv, I own 9 guns and have a permit to carry. ;-)

Almost forgot, I go to church too. Can you believe that I was even an alter boy for a few years and considered the seminary?

Buzz, it's altAr, alter is what rogue priests did to some of those poor young men :( . Funny thing, though never an altar boy I did express an interest in the priesthood. The Father told me he thought me a little busy for that lifestyle ;-) .

Marvin S
04-03-2010, 10:47 PM
And yet, you have nothing to say about HEW's post? Fair and balanced regards....:rolleyes:

Drop the whine. Like your idol the Messiah, you are overexposed & have a tendency to believe some of the crap you pontificate :). Being an adult I believe myself capable of being fair & balanced, so I truly enjoy HEW's wit, which I'm sure passes over your position on the ladder :cool:.

Hew
04-04-2010, 07:21 AM
Where are the left wing militias?
A left wing militia? Bwaahaaaaaaa. What would you arm yourselves with....sticks, rocks and mean scowls? Don't ever forget, we've got the guns; not you. ;-)

And wtf does the left need a militia for in the first place? The last 100 years or so shows that the vast majority of the earth's population has needed protection from left wing governments:

Mao - 50 million killed
Stalin - 20 million killed
Pol Pot - 1.7 million killed
Kim Il Sung - 1.6 million killed
Menghistu (Ethiopian marxist) - 1.5 million

Add up some others and the scorecard for left wing govts. killing their own people approaches 100 million. History shows that a right wing militia would be well-justified. Common sense shows that a left wing militia is the punchline for funny jokes.

BrianW
04-04-2010, 04:04 PM
His actual statement was "I don't worry about the Constitution in this context." ...although the final word will rest with the Supreme Court.

That wasn't his actual statement at all. He said, "I don't worry about the Constitution on this, to honest with you." Then to justify his lamebrained idea he said, "I believe that it (the US Constitution) says we have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." When informed that those words are in the Declaration of Independence; not the Constitution, his reply was: "It doesn't matter to me."

To get back to the gist of the original post - the absolute first thing these "lawmakers" SHOULD be concerned with IS the Constitution.

The current oath as enacted in 1884:
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.This IS his job. NOT just passing legislation, whether it's lawful or not, just so he can look like he's doing something to justify his pay and pass the buck on to the SCOTUS.

And as far as "haranguing questions", when was the last time YOU walked out on YOUR boss when he was demanding that you justify the incompetence that you just committed while on the job? This "representative" works for all the electorate, not just the ones who voted for him or ask him questions he likes and his personal safety was not being threatened.

YardleyLabs
04-04-2010, 05:03 PM
To get back to the gist of the original post - the absolute first thing these "lawmakers" SHOULD be concerned with IS the Constitution.

The current oath as enacted in 1884:
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.This IS his job. NOT just passing legislation, whether it's lawful or not, just so he can look like he's doing something to justify his pay and pass the buck on to the SCOTUS.

And as far as "haranguing questions", when was the last time YOU walked out on YOUR boss when he was demanding that you justify the incompetence that you just committed while on the job? This "representative" works for all the electorate, not just the ones who voted for him or ask him questions he likes and his personal safety was not being threatened.
The Constitution includes all the original language, all the amendments, and the court decisions interpreting those documents. There is noe much evidence to suggest that anything about the health care law violates the Constitution. That does not prevent the Supreme Court from ruling that it does. This Court has already shown itself willing to overrule precedent despite the principles of stare decisis when it disagrees with the politics of prior decisions and may do so again. However, it is does, it will be creating a new precedent based on an as yet unarticulated legal theory.

M&K's Retrievers
04-05-2010, 12:52 AM
[QUOTE=YardleyLabs;594546] ..... There is noe much evidence to suggest that anything about the health care law violates the Constitution..../QUOTE]

Where exactly, in your opinion, does the Constitution allow the government to force me to purchase anything much less health insurance? And what if I can't pay? Debtor's prison? I thought that was one of the things the Founding Founders were trying to rectify.

YardleyLabs
04-05-2010, 06:48 AM
..... There is noe much evidence to suggest that anything about the health care law violates the Constitution....

Where exactly, in your opinion, does the Constitution allow the government to force me to purchase anything much less health insurance? And what if I can't pay? Debtor's prison? I thought that was one of the things the Founding Founders were trying to rectify.
The Constitution gives Congress the right to levy taxes without limiting the basis on which taxes are levied. Thus, a tax on people who do not maintain adequate health insurance is Constitutional whether you agree with it as a matter of policy or not. It is not that different from state level requirements forcing you to purchase auto insurance as a condition of driving or purchase a fiduciary bond to cover damages that you might cause to others as a consequence of your driving.

badbullgator
04-05-2010, 07:03 AM
The Constitution gives Congress the right to levy taxes without limiting the basis on which taxes are levied. Thus, a tax on people who do not maintain adequate health insurance is Constitutional whether you agree with it as a matter of policy or not. It is not that different from state level requirements forcing you to purchase auto insurance as a condition of driving or purchase a fiduciary bond to cover damages that you might cause to others as a consequence of your driving.


Come on Jeff, even you in your blinded crush of all things liberal can see that government mandated health insurance is completely different form auto insurance. Last time I check you did not have to own a car or drive and well, you do have to live and die. Kind of different don’t you think. One is a choice, driving, the other is forced. :rolleyes:

YardleyLabs
04-05-2010, 07:18 AM
Come on Jeff, even you in your blinded crush of all things liberal can see that government mandated health insurance is completely different form auto insurance. Last time I check you did not have to own a car or drive and well, you do have to live and die. Kind of different don’t you think. One is a choice, driving, the other is forced. :rolleyes:
Presumably, Corey, even you can see the difference between requiring something and giving you a choice between two pptions you don't like:


Drive and buy insurance or don't buy insurance and risk going to jail if you drive.
Buy health insurance and don't pay a tax, or pay a tax and don't buy health insurance.However, the question was one of Constitutionality, not preference. The 16th amendment says that "The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived...." The health care law says that people without qualified health insurance will be required to pay a tax equal to the greater of a percent of income or a specified dollar amount. The percentage and dollar amounts escalate over a period of time. Does that constitute a requirement that I buy insurance? If I do not have dependent children, I pay significantly higher taxes than if I do. Does that constitute a requirement that I have children? Effectively, Congress adopted a health tax and provided an exemption from it for people who purchase/obtain qualified health insurance. What about that is inconsistent with other tax requirements that have not been found to be unconstitutional?

Hew
04-05-2010, 08:16 AM
Come on Jeff, even you in your blinded crush of all things liberal can see that government mandated health insurance is completely different form auto insurance. Last time I check you did not have to own a car or drive and well, you do have to live and die. Kind of different don’t you think. One is a choice, driving, the other is forced. :rolleyes:
Moreover, the laws that require auto insurance are STATE laws; not Federal. That is a huge distinction.

YardleyLabs
04-05-2010, 08:40 AM
Moreover, the laws that require auto insurance are STATE laws; not Federal. That is a huge distinction.
Actually the relevance is that state requirements for auto insurance are indicative of the legality of government requirements that an individual purchase a product like auto insurance, suggesting that freedom from such a requirement is not a right reserved to "the people". You are correct that state governments face few Constitutional limits than the Federal government. That is why the Federal provisions regarding health insurance take the form of taxes linked to income, which are allowed by the Constitution. Rightly or wrongly, the Supreme Court has historically taken a very broad view of the authorities of government, leaving the definition of limits to the will of the people as expressed through elections. This expansive view as been applied repeatedly to both Congress's rights on taxation and its rights on regulation of commerce. The 10th amendment ("The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."), by contrast, have been interpreted relatively narrowly. The "burden of proof" has rested on those arguing against the application of Federal authority to prove that actions taken fall outside Constitutional limits. Thus, a 10th Amendment challenge would have to show that the health insurance penalty is not a tax as defined in the Constitution to overturn the individual mandate. I suspect that any such argument would have to hinge of technicalities concerning the language of the law rather than any broad principle suggesting a limit on Federal action. The alternative would be to overturn a century of precedents and open the entire fabric of tax deductions to similar challenges.

M&K's Retrievers
04-05-2010, 10:46 AM
Actually the relevance is that state requirements for auto insurance are indicative of the legality of government requirements that an individual purchase a product like auto insurance, suggesting that freedom from such a requirement is not a right reserved to "the people". You are correct that state governments face few Constitutional limits than the Federal government. That is why the Federal provisions regarding health insurance take the form of taxes linked to income, which are allowed by the Constitution. Rightly or wrongly, the Supreme Court has historically taken a very broad view of the authorities of government, leaving the definition of limits to the will of the people as expressed through elections. This expansive view as been applied repeatedly to both Congress's rights on taxation and its rights on regulation of commerce. The 10th amendment ("The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."), by contrast, have been interpreted relatively narrowly. The "burden of proof" has rested on those arguing against the application of Federal authority to prove that actions taken fall outside Constitutional limits. Thus, a 10th Amendment challenge would have to show that the health insurance penalty is not a tax as defined in the Constitution to overturn the individual mandate. I suspect that any such argument would have to hinge of technicalities concerning the language of the law rather than any broad principle suggesting a limit on Federal action. The alternative would be to overturn a century of precedents and open the entire fabric of tax deductions to similar challenges.

Hopefully your great legal mind will be proven wrong.

Cody Covey
04-05-2010, 12:05 PM
the 16th amendment only deals with direct tax which the health care bill is not. The health care bill is an indirect tax in the sense that you have to do something to have the tax levied against you.

Buzz
04-05-2010, 12:24 PM
the 16th amendment only deals with direct tax which the health care bill is not. The health care bill is an indirect tax in the sense that you have to do something to have the tax levied against you.


I've been hearing lots of different stories on this. I thought it was a tax credit that you need to have insurance to qualify for. If I didn't have insurance, I guess I'd be a lot more motivated to find out...

YardleyLabs
04-05-2010, 12:57 PM
the 16th amendment only deals with direct tax which the health care bill is not. The health care bill is an indirect tax in the sense that you have to do something to have the tax levied against you.
As I noted in my post, the 16th amendment deals with "taxes on incomes" without limitation. Every tax deduction is arguably an "indirect" tax. Just ask those who are "taxed" because they do not have dependents, or those who pay higher taxes because they do not pay mortgage interest.

david gibson
04-05-2010, 01:05 PM
Where are the left wing militias?

in the white house.

M&K's Retrievers
04-05-2010, 02:31 PM
As I noted in my post, the 16th amendment deals with "taxes on incomes" without limitation. Every tax deduction is arguably an "indirect" tax. Just ask those who are "taxed" because they do not have dependents, or those who pay higher taxes because they do not pay mortgage interest.

That sh*t ain't right eithor. Sales tax. Fair to all even those with ill gotten income provided they buy something.