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subroc
04-02-2010, 04:41 PM
I expect many here have an opinion about Rush. This is part of a response to comments from obama.

Do you believe none/any/some/or all of the comment or just because it is Rush, it isn't woth commenting on?




"I and most Americans do not believe President Obama is trying to do what's best for the country. Never in my life have I seen a regime like this, governing against the will of the people, purposely. I have never seen the media so supportive of a regime amassing so much power. And I have never known as many people who literally fear for the future of the country."

The point, Limbaugh says, is not that listeners are feeling anxiety about the economy, although many undoubtedly are. It's that they are feeling anxiety about the Obama agenda.

BonMallari
04-02-2010, 04:54 PM
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t319/bonmallari/socialist.jpg

if this doesnt scare you...it should

Buzz
04-02-2010, 05:05 PM
Have they been using the derogatory "democrat" party instead of "democratic" party for all these years????

Edit:

I see that these words have never actually been able to be attributed to this guy:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/socialism.asp

Rush and Beck are doing a very good job of keeping you guys scared. But after-all, that is stock-in-trade for the Republican Party.

zeus3925
04-02-2010, 08:57 PM
Have they been using the derogatory "democrat" party instead of "democratic" party for all these years????

Edit:

I see that these words have never actually been able to be attributed to this guy:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/socialism.asp

Rush and Beck are doing a very good job of keeping you guys scared. But after-all, that is stock-in-trade for the Republican Party.

Not to mention, Buzz, keeping that fear high enough to sell gold for their sponsors. When is Rush going to move to Costa Rica like he said--the big fat patriot?

Buzz
04-02-2010, 09:15 PM
Not to mention, Buzz, keeping that fear high enough to sell gold for their sponsors. When is Rush going to move to Costa Rica like he said--the big fat patriot?


If I'd known they would be hawking gold this hard, I would have bought at $650 when I thought it was already expensive. Naa, just kidding. Ford stock, at this point, looks like it was a much better direction to go.

Pete
04-02-2010, 09:40 PM
Freedoms can only be stole one at a time.
No different than a thief coming into a house each day and removing one coin at a time out of the glass jar. You will never know you've been ripped until one day its all gone and even then you will wonder if there was any money in the jar to begin with.

All leaders in their heart believe they are doing great things for their country.
Hitler,Stalin,lennon,Alexander the great,,,Julius Caesar,,,,you name it.

Most leaders have big ego's and little character or integrety. Its the nature of the beast. Obama is no different.

p

YardleyLabs
04-02-2010, 09:46 PM
I expect many here have an opinion about Rush. This is part of a response to comments from obama.
Quote:
"I and most Americans do not believe President Obama is trying to do what's best for the country. Never in my life have I seen a regime like this, governing against the will of the people, purposely. I have never seen the media so supportive of a regime amassing so much power. And I have never known as many people who literally fear for the future of the country."

The point, Limbaugh says, is not that listeners are feeling anxiety about the economy, although many undoubtedly are. It's that they are feeling anxiety about the Obama agenda.


Do you believe none/any/some/or all of the comment or just because it is Rush, it isn't woth commenting on?




I'd say his statement begins with an absurdity and degenerates into falsehood.

The absurdity: I think it's pretty obvious that Obama, like every President before him, is trying to do what he believes is best for the country within the range of what he believes is possible. We have had Presidents who were effective and Presidents who were ineffective, but none has been a traitor. That does not mean that you or I would agree with what they attempted to do. For example, Bush was much more competent and effective than I ever believed he would be. I also believe that his policies did more damage to the fabric of our country than has been done by almost any President in history. That does not change the fact that he is a fundamentally good man who tried to do what he believed was correct for the country.

The fallacy: One doesn't have to look far to find Presidents who have acted with even less popular support than Obama. . Both Bushes had less support. Reagan, during his first term, had an approval rating very close to what Obama has now. Johnson was dramatically less popular, as was Truman for much of his Presidency.

dnf777
04-03-2010, 09:56 AM
I also believe that his policies did more damage to the fabric of our country than has been done by almost any President in history. That does not change the fact that he is a fundamentally good man who tried to do what he believed was correct for the country..

Therein lies one of the greatest differences between the left and the right. Or liberalism and modern conservatism. One side tries to see the other's point of view and understand it, and even work with it. The other doesn't.

This can be seen in statements above, or at the national level. Several hundred republican initiatives included in the health bill, several summits made to reach across the aisle. Then you have quotes from Boehner and McConnell basically stating that they are 'through working with the president'. As if they ever did. At least now bipartisan efforts and party politics can be assigned to their rightful owners.

That egocentric attitude of the right was one of several reasons I left the republican party. Beck, Hannity, Coulter, and Rush remind me every day that I made the right decision. I'm not filled with enough hate to be a modern repubican.

subroc
04-03-2010, 10:03 AM
liberal (obama) idea of bipatisan ship...just convince 1 more person to agree with me so I can get this thing passed.

Matt McKenzie
04-03-2010, 10:09 AM
Therein lies one of the greatest differences between the left and the right. Or liberalism and modern conservatism. One side tries to see the other's point of view and understand it, and even work with it. The other doesn't.

This can be seen in statements above, or at the national level. Several hundred republican initiatives included in the health bill, several summits made to reach across the aisle. Then you have quotes from Boehner and McConnell basically stating that they are 'through working with the president'. As if they ever did. At least now bipartisan efforts and party politics can be assigned to their rightful owners.

That egocentric attitude of the right was one of several reasons I left the republican party. Beck, Hannity, Coulter, and Rush remind me every day that I made the right decision. I'm not filled with enough hate to be a modern repubican.

Are you serious?

subroc
04-03-2010, 10:24 AM
dnf777, I expect you left the republican party because you finally realized you weren't a republican.

You needing to qualify your reason with all theses silly "this is why I left" declarations is really a bit tedious.

You can find just as many anecdotal "reasons" of misdeeds in the democrat party, you just choose to ignore or accept them because you are a liberal.

Trapper
04-03-2010, 10:11 PM
Do you believe none/any/some/or all of the comment or just because it is Rush, it isn't woth commenting on?

The 2009 Field & Stream magazine Hunting and Fishing Villan of the Year should have lost any credibility with this crowd the second he recorded public service announcements for the HSUS.

M&K's Retrievers
04-03-2010, 11:54 PM
Are you serious?

Yes. He's serious....

dnf777
04-04-2010, 06:58 AM
You can find just as many anecdotal "reasons" of misdeeds in the democrat party, you just choose to ignore or accept them because you are a liberal.

I do indeed find problems with the democratic party, and therefore am not a democrat either. It always seems the right feels highly threatened by independent voters. You guys don't like people who think for themselves.

As for "ignoring or accepting" misdeeds of democrats, I just don't feel the need to point them out here, as there are plenty of watchdogs already in action. I have stated numerous times however, that I am terribly disappointed in the democrats for continuing Bush's disastrous expansion of gov't size and power, and record spending. He's continuing the worst of both parties.

dnf777
04-04-2010, 07:02 AM
Are you serious?

What did I say that isn't true? Yes, I'm serious. The republicans have shut down ANY effort to reach agreements with this administration, and become total obstructionists. Its only NOW they've publicly stated so.

Hew
04-04-2010, 07:39 AM
That egocentric attitude of the right was one of several reasons I left the republican party.
Bwaaaahaaaaaa. As a reminder, you "left" the republican party before you:

- had your first drivers license
- kissed a girl
- drank your first beer
- watched Star Wars 83 times
- were elected secretary of the high school French Club

subroc
04-04-2010, 08:25 AM
...I have stated numerous times however, that I am terribly disappointed in the democrats for continuing Bush's disastrous expansion of gov't size and power, and record spending. He's continuing the worst of both parties.

Who is He?

Can you say or write the name?

Can you blame the man?

You write Bush easy enough, but when it come to the current situation it is democrats.

While I agree it is democrats. They have a defacto leader when one of their own is in the white house. Do you know the mans name?

sinner
04-04-2010, 08:34 AM
First have this Lush mouth join the Rotary Int. (not that he would keep a pledge)!
1.Is it the TRUTH?
2.Is it FAIR to all concerned?
3.Will it build GOODWILL and BETTER FRIENDSHIPS?
4.Will it be BENEFICIAL to all concerned?
I got criticized in this exchange because I said I heard him say he was going to leave the country but if all talk show host did leave we would all be better off.

subroc
04-04-2010, 09:22 AM
I like talk shows. It is one of the many venues that propagate the ideal of free speech. I listen to sports talk, conservative talk, occasionally public radio and c-span call-in. I want to listen to my fellow citizens of the United States whether I agree with them or not.

dnf777
04-04-2010, 02:50 PM
Bwaaaahaaaaaa. As a reminder, you "left" the republican party before you:

- had your first drivers license
- kissed a girl
- drank your first beer
- watched Star Wars 83 times
- were elected secretary of the high school French Club

Jeez Hew,
When you publish my biography, can I have an autographed copy? I'm flattered!! ;-)

dnf777
04-04-2010, 02:51 PM
Who is He?

Can you say or write the name?

Can you blame the man?

You write Bush easy enough, but when it come to the current situation it is democrats.

While I agree it is democrats. They have a defacto leader when one of their own is in the white house. Do you know the mans name?

O-B-A-M-A

He is not acting alone, so I wanted to make sure I gave credit where credit is due. Bush did act alone, often ignoring the will of congress, or not even bothering to ask.

Uncle Bill
04-04-2010, 03:44 PM
I like talk shows. It is one of the many venues that propagate the ideal of free speech. I listen to sports talk, conservative talk, occasionally public radio and c-span call-in. I want to listen to my fellow citizens of the United States whether I agree with them or not.


Me too, Joe. But I'm still too far right for a liberal/socialist like DNF &&& (what happens when you capitalize 777...appropriate eh? If you try to make him into something bigger... like what he thinks he is, it just turns into a misleading stutter.), that believes he is an independant. God help this nation if the other 20% of the 'real' independants are in his camp

If my and other conservative's supicions are correct, the true independants in this country are flabbergasted by what this administration and it's followers have foisted upon this nation. Many I've spoken to are members of tea partys, totally chagrined for having voted for BHO, and completely shocked by the direction he's taken.

Stop being such a hypocrite, DNF. You have plenty of hate in you, by your definition at least. Make like your renowned Pennsylvania Senator, and jump in with the liberal/socialists of the Democrat party, so you can stop lying to yourself about what you believe. You'll feel better once you are less conflicted about riding the fence.
Besides, no one is buying into your position. It's pretty certain your buds, like Yardley, and Henry, and the St.George dragoooon slayer know who's side you are on.

(Oooops, I shouldn't have brought the dragoooon slayer into this mix. Hope he doesn't run to Chris and tattle on me again for being too mean to all the poor liberals on board.)

Sorry if I've offended y'all. I take it back, and will only 'cut & paste' touchy-feely-non-hateful-liberal-statements. But I need your help. Where do I go to find that? Olberman? Maddow? The hard-baller with the tingly leg? Oh how could I have forgotten that icon of anti-conservatism...Bill Moyer, and his other PBS buddy Charlie Rose, who by any other name would still be a rose.

If all else fails, I might try quoting that other Bill from HBO...the darling of the Letterman, Kimmel, and Leno shows..Maher. (quite frankly, I'm surprised that the 'Nudge' hasn't pinched his head off by now. He must do a good job of hiding)

There you have it...all the libs/socialists I'm familier with. But whenever I listen to them, they are saying just the opposite things I believe in, when they aren't still attacking GWB, Fox news, or Sarah Palen...all your favorite whipping stars, right? How am I too find a non hate-filled statement from them?

So I come here, where I find entertainment. Between reading HEW's insightful posts (I think I used the correct word there, didn't I Henry?), and getting flayed by the other various libs, socialists, unionists, independant-wannabes, and other assorted wounded warriors and mental midgets, you can readily see how much fun I'm having....more than even Rush, who's having more fun than a human being should be allowed. Ergo, I'm in good company eh?

UB

Uncle Bill
04-04-2010, 03:55 PM
O-B-A-M-A

He is not acting alone, so I wanted to make sure I gave credit where credit is due. Bush did act alone, often ignoring the will of congress, or not even bothering to ask.


WHOA. The entertainment just got to be too much!


BUSH DID ACT ALONE??????

Were you braindead??? (but I digress) What planet were you on during the dozens of times he took all his requests to the UN, and got crapped on by that august institution, which I suspect is one of your favorites.

OMG, OMG, I'm full of hate-speech towards that symbol of benign love, DNF. Never a hateful word ever uttered by him towards the former President.

But then what should we expect from a fence-riding-hypocrite?

UB

road kill
04-04-2010, 04:32 PM
WHOA. The entertainment just got to be too much!


BUSH DID ACT ALONE??????

Were you braindead??? (but I digress) What planet were you on during the dozens of times he took all his requests to the UN, and got crapped on by that august institution, which I suspect is one of your favorites.

OMG, OMG, I'm full of hate-speech towards that symbol of benign love, DNF. Never a hateful word ever uttered by him towards the former President.

But then what should we expect from a fence-riding-hypocrite?

UB


Funny, when Bush was President, all the leftys did was mock him and make fun of him and claim he was too stupid to do anything......that Cheney was calling all the shots.


I have heard that using the bong too much causes memory lapses??????:D



rk

dnf777
04-04-2010, 05:20 PM
Funny, when Bush was President, all the leftys did was mock him and make fun of him and claim he was too stupid to do anything......that Cheney was calling all the shots.


I have heard that using the bong too much causes memory lapses??????:D



rk

You're right. (about Bush, not necessarily the bong!) ;-)

M&K's Retrievers
04-05-2010, 12:13 AM
O-B-A-M-A

Bush did act alone, often ignoring the will of congress, or not even bothering to ask.

Better than ignoring the will of the people which is what the current Congress and Obama are doing.

YardleyLabs
04-05-2010, 06:56 AM
Better than ignoring the will of the people which is what the current Congress and Obama are doing.
First, there is a huge difference between ignoring the will of the people and doing something that you believe is correct and which was an important foundation of your campaign despite opinion polls showing opposition (and substantial support).

Second, acting in opposition to opinion polls is a time honored tradition. In addition, Obama's "negative" approval ratings are not even that negative relative to his predecessors.

zeus3925
04-05-2010, 08:19 AM
Better than ignoring the will of the people which is what the current Congress and Obama are doing.

The penalty for ignoring your constituents is losing the next election. You can only "supervise" one congressman and two senators at a time. If you wish to unseat yours, knock yourself out.

M&K's Retrievers
04-05-2010, 10:56 AM
First, there is a huge difference between ignoring the will of the people and doing something that you believe is correct Yes there is a big difference and that doesn't make it right. I believe constant voting against the will of the people should be grounds for recall and which was an important foundation of your campaign despite opinion polls showing opposition (and substantial support).

Second, acting in opposition to opinion polls is a time honored tradition.When? Time honored for Dems I suspect. In addition, Obama's "negative" approval ratings are not even that negative relative to his predecessors.What has that got to do with anything? By the way, give him time. They continue to fall.

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YardleyLabs
04-05-2010, 12:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by YardleyLabs http://www.retrievertraining.net/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.retrievertraining.net/forums/showthread.php?p=594757#post594757)
First, there is a huge difference between ignoring the will of the people and doing something that you believe is correct Yes there is a big difference and that doesn't make it right. I believe constant voting against the will of the people should be grounds for recall and which was an important foundation of your campaign despite opinion polls showing opposition (and substantial support).

Second, acting in opposition to opinion polls is a time honored tradition.When? Time honored for Dems I suspect. In addition, Obama's "negative" approval ratings are not even that negative relative to his predecessors.What has that got to do with anything? By the way, give him time. They continue to fall.

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Well, representatives that consistently go against the will of their constituents normally (bot not always) lose their next election. As to Repu b;icans who have acted in ways opposed by a plurality of voters, you could look at your choice of President George W. Bush (2003 tax cuts, Iraq war, general economic policies), President George H. W. Bush (tax increases), President Ronald Reagan (economic policies during first term lowering popularity to 40% range, Iran-Contra activities), etc. The two Bushes enjoyed substantially lower approval rating than Obama has now, and Reagan had comparable approval ratings during his first term compared with Obama's to date. FWIW, Obama's approval ratings from December until now have been very stable -- fluctuating between 48-50%. For one Gallup poll in February, Obama's approval and disapproval ratings were equal, but at all other times his approval ratings has exceeded his disapproval rating since he was elected President. GWB actually averaged 36.6% approval for his entire second administration, coming in only slightly better than Nixon during Nixon's second term.

M&K's Retrievers
04-05-2010, 02:50 PM
Well, representatives that consistently go against the will of their constituents normally (bot not always) lose their next election. As to Repu b;icans who have acted in ways opposed by a plurality of voters, you could look at your choice of President George W. Bush (2003 tax cuts, Iraq war, general economic policies), President George H. W. Bush (tax increases), President Ronald Reagan (economic policies during first term lowering popularity to 40% range, Iran-Contra activities), etc. The two Bushes enjoyed substantially lower approval rating than Obama has now, and Reagan had comparable approval ratings during his first term compared with Obama's to date. FWIW, Obama's approval ratings from December until now have been very stable -- fluctuating between 48-50%. For one Gallup poll in February, Obama's approval and disapproval ratings were equal, but at all other times his approval ratings has exceeded his disapproval rating since he was elected President. GWB actually averaged 36.6% approval for his entire second administration, coming in only slightly better than Nixon during Nixon's second term.

What does the popularity of the president have to do with the laws enacted by Congress? That is not the same as the will of the people. The vast majority of the people do not want this crappy health care mess legislation and even less approve of the way it was cramed down our throats.

Your only supposed to take 1-2 Loritabs every 6 hours for pain.:p

badbullgator
04-05-2010, 03:02 PM
What does the popularity of the president have to do with the laws enacted by Congress? That is not the same as the will of the people. The vast majority of the people do not want this crappy health care mess legislation and even less approve of the way it was cramed down our throats.

Your only supposed to take 1-2 Loritabs every 6 hours for pain.:p


Aint it fun having Jeff home all the time.....day and night.....night and day............

M&K's Retrievers
04-05-2010, 03:10 PM
Aint it fun having Jeff home all the time.....day and night.....night and day............

It's great. I'm caring for my wife who has a similar broken leg so Jeff and I are both prisoners. I think it even happened about the same time. I spar with Jeff when not answering the servants bell.:p:p

YardleyLabs
04-05-2010, 03:25 PM
What does the popularity of the president have to do with the laws enacted by Congress? That is not the same as the will of the people. The vast majority of the people do not want this crappy health care mess legislation and even less approve of the way it was cramed down our throats.

Your only supposed to take 1-2 Loritabs every 6 hours for pain.:p
I'm not altogether clear on what you mean by a vast majority. You may need to pick and choose your statistics carefully.... Many of the polls that showed higher levels of opposition included a significant number who simply believed the bill did not go far enough. For point of reference, the House vote was on March 21.

Other than aspirin and ibuprophen, I haven't taken any pain killers (legal or illegal) in the last decade. What have you been smoking recently?;)

Last week:
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As of March 22, 2010:
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http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/uietbdz8hk6yhexwajrsia.gif

Two weeks before Congress votes:
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YardleyLabs
04-05-2010, 03:32 PM
It's great. I'm caring for my wife who has a similar broken leg so Jeff and I are both prisoners. I think it even happened about the same time. I spar with Jeff when not answering the servants bell.:p:p
Tomorrow morning I go for an x-ray to see how things are progressing. Hopefully I will be given a walking cast and clearance for a little more activity. I have a puppy that I need to take to the trainer's this week and want to spend some time playing with my three year old while I am there. I hope your wife is improving also. RTF'ers Keith (KG) and Jack Unbehaun (junbe) actually judged by 3 yo in the Jacksonville and North Florida Q's over the last few weeks when I couldn't be with her (She got a 4th in one and self destructed on the water blind in the other).

M&K's Retrievers
04-05-2010, 05:07 PM
[QUOTE=YardleyLabs;594995] What have you been smoking recently?;)





QUOTE]

Nothing in 35ish years, but I'd still kill for a Marlborough.:p

M&K's Retrievers
04-05-2010, 05:22 PM
Tomorrow morning I go for an x-ray to see how things are progressing. Hopefully I will be given a walking cast and clearance for a little more activity. I have a puppy that I need to take to the trainer's this week and want to spend some time playing with my three year old while I am there. I hope your wife is improving also. RTF'ers Keith (KG) and Jack Unbehaun (junbe) actually judged by 3 yo in the Jacksonville and North Florida Q's over the last few weeks when I couldn't be with her (She got a 4th in one and self destructed on the water blind in the other).

Good luck with that. We have two more weeks till the next x-ray. I don't know if you remember the movie Moby Dick. In the begining you only heard Capt. Ahab at night with the thump of his peg leg on the deck. Kinda sounds like my wife clomping around the house with her walker looking for something for me to do.:) It's worse than the army.