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Hoosier
04-04-2010, 09:14 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0Vl3VQAar8&feature=player_embedded

Where's that Census worker when you need him?

road kill
04-05-2010, 07:00 AM
Let's please stop calling them "illegals!"
Call them what they are, future votes for Democrats!!:D


rk

zeus3925
04-05-2010, 08:26 AM
Let's please stop calling them "illegals!"
Call them what they are, future votes for Democrats!!:D


rk

Funny how things change. Both parties used to mob the docks recruiting immigrants. They even sponsored immigrants for citizenship.

road kill
04-05-2010, 09:00 AM
Funny how things change. Both parties used to mob the docks recruiting immigrants. They even sponsored immigrants for citizenship.

Are you referring to "LEGAL" immigrants??


Funny how things change.........:D


rk

Franco
04-05-2010, 09:29 AM
Lucky us, we get to pay for thier Health Insurance and Education.:rolleyes:

zeus3925
04-05-2010, 10:06 AM
Are you referring to "LEGAL" immigrants??


Funny how things change.........:D


rk

Legal or illegal--you think any party cared?

M&K's Retrievers
04-05-2010, 10:58 AM
Funny how things change. Both parties used to mob the docks recruiting immigrants. They even sponsored immigrants for citizenship.

Wasn't right then and isn't today.

ducknwork
04-05-2010, 11:57 AM
Funny how things change. Both parties used to mob the docks recruiting immigrants. They even sponsored immigrants for citizenship.

When my great grandparents came over legally from Italy, the learned English and worked hard to make a living (that money stayed in this country) and were too proud to be supported by the sweat of others.

I'll sponsor that kind of immigrant any day. That is a lot different than the criminals we have in our country now.

Franco
04-05-2010, 11:59 AM
Legal or illegal--you think any party cared?



Both political parties are guilty of pandering to illegals and are both in violation of The Constitution.

However, it is Pres. Ronald Reagan that help create the current mess. When he delcared amnesty for over 10 million illegals, he opened the door for 20 million more illegals. Illegals realized that we were not serious about protecting our country.

YardleyLabs
04-05-2010, 01:00 PM
Both political parties are guilty of pandering to illegals and are both in violation of The Constitution.

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Can you quote the sections of the Constitution that they are violating? At the time the Constitution was signed there was no such thing as an "illegal" immigrant. People were allowed to immigrate without restriction and did on a regular basis.

Franco
04-05-2010, 01:14 PM
Can you quote the sections of the Constitution that they are violating? At the time the Constitution was signed there was no such thing as an "illegal" immigrant. People were allowed to immigrate without restriction and did on a regular basis.

Might want to ask the boarder states if they have been invaded.

Article IV
Section. 4.
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened), against domestic Violence.

And again, I really don't want to be forced to pay for thier Health Insurance! They are here illegally and our government needs to enforce the hiring of illegals and punish the violators. If 50 million illegals over the last 40 years isn't an invasion of a once soverign nation, then what is?

Oh, the part about domestic violence; would you like to take a guess at how many people have been killed by Hispanic street gangs in S California alone? Most of whom came here illegally until Raegan made them citizens. Want to take a guess at how much it cost tax payers to incarcerate them annually? How much is cost to try an educate them? California is a financial mess because of illegal immigraton and that cancer is spreading across the entire USA.

P S S

The Visigoths tried for many centuries to invade Rome. More and more settled in Roman territory until thier population was too large to manage by the Romans. Rome was too fat and lazy to pay attention and too apathetic to do anything about it. In 410 they were finally successful enough to enter Rome as conquerors, thus ushering in the Dark Ages. Of course, some say it was Rome's conversion to Christianity that ushered in the Dark Ages but, the point is; when a country disregards thier sovernity, they are no longer a nation!

Franco
04-28-2010, 04:23 PM
Time to revive this little gem again!;-)

I counted 41 in the van:-P

code3retrievers
04-28-2010, 04:51 PM
Can you quote the sections of the Constitution that they are violating? At the time the Constitution was signed there was no such thing as an "illegal" immigrant. People were allowed to immigrate without restriction and did on a regular basis.

Article one section 8 gave congress states

Section 8 Powers Granted to Congress

The Congress shall have power:


To establish an uniform rule of naturalization

Congress has since used their power to enact laws pertaining to immigration.

We are a nation of laws or we used to be. You do not get to pick and choose which laws to ignore. Either change the law or enforce it!

Uncle Bill
04-28-2010, 10:05 PM
Both political parties are guilty of pandering to illegals and are both in violation of The Constitution.

However, it is Pres. Ronald Reagan that help create the current mess. When he delcared amnesty for over 10 million illegals, he opened the door for 20 million more illegals. Illegals realized that we were not serious about protecting our country.


Why do you insist on re-writing history? There weren't half that many given amnesty, and it was tied to Congress closing the borders. But like so many Reagan-haters, you just go along with what brings you the most adoration from the left.

I understand it's hard to hold to your convictions living in that bed of corruption you reside in, and have to deal with liberal/socialists daily, but if you cant' recall how it was, don't try to "play nice" with the left on here, by saying what they want to hear...especially since it's untrue.

You are doing one helluva job convincing me Franco, that with friends like you, the conservatives don't need any enemies. You are rapidly joining the ranks of the rest of the RINOS in this country.

UB

Franco
04-29-2010, 08:01 PM
Why do you insist on re-writing history? There weren't half that many given amnesty, and it was tied to Congress closing the borders. But like so many Reagan-haters, you just go along with what brings you the most adoration from the left.

I understand it's hard to hold to your convictions living in that bed of corruption you reside in, and have to deal with liberal/socialists daily, but if you cant' recall how it was, don't try to "play nice" with the left on here, by saying what they want to hear...especially since it's untrue.

You are doing one helluva job convincing me Franco, that with friends like you, the conservatives don't need any enemies. You are rapidly joining the ranks of the rest of the RINOS in this country.

UB

Reagan was a good President, not great but, good. As Conservatives go, he was certainly no W F Buckley Jr.

Nobody knows how many illegals were in the country when he declared Amnesty. The whole damn Amnesty idea was a bad one to begin with. It only encouraged more illegal entry! Do you deny that?

AS far as the RINO comment, I would have to be a Republican first to be a RINO. I gave up on the GOP in 05 and consider myself an Independent/Libertarian. Small governement, balanced bugets, protect The Constitution and its CITIZENS and provide the infastructure for commerce. None of which the GOP or Dems have embraced!

Uncle Bill
04-30-2010, 08:29 AM
Reagan was a good President, not great but, good. As Conservatives go, he was certainly no W F Buckley Jr.

Nobody knows how many illegals were in the country when he declared Amnesty. The whole damn Amnesty idea was a bad one to begin with. It only encouraged more illegal entry! Do you deny that?

AS far as the RINO comment, I would have to be a Republican first to be a RINO. I gave up on the GOP in 05 and consider myself an Independent/Libertarian. Small governement, balanced bugets, protect The Constitution and its CITIZENS and provide the infastructure for commerce. None of which the GOP or Dems have embraced!


No, I don't deny that it was a bad 'theory'. My point is, it was only supposed to be one side of the equation, kinda like the business of cutting taxation and having the congresscritters also cutting spending. Without both, it's easy to see how the liberals can throw off blame.

I could easily be in the Libertarian camp as well. But they have no structure, and to believe one can vote for that candidate and have it mean anything other than a "feel-good" gesture on the part of the voter, is naive.

Of course the Republican party needs to be revamped and restocked with conservative leadership. But running one ultra-conservative under the Libertarian banner, is throwing away your vote.

If the TEA party members go that route, their entire grass roots movement will be for naught. Good grief, if they can't recall the Perot years, and that history means nothing to them, they don't deserve to be leading. What the local group seems to be telling me is they are intent on working to restore the GOP to it's original philosophy, which I can readily support. The overriding theme is simply, "We Want Our Country Back".

No doubt this November will tell us a lot about the mindset of this nation, and since it's a moot point concerning who's leading in the Presidential race, my concern is seeing if the Republicans can get back to conservative roots through candidates that adhere to those principles. This would, however, be the time to see if the Independant "movement" has any teeth. If they can't produce candidates to carry out their views, why should any conservative jump on board a Libertarian candidate for President?

UB

LukesMom
04-30-2010, 08:38 AM
Both political parties are guilty of pandering to illegals and are both in violation of The Constitution.

However, it is Pres. Ronald Reagan that help create the current mess. When he delcared amnesty for over 10 million illegals, he opened the door for 20 million more illegals. Illegals realized that we were not serious about protecting our country.

WOW!! The man has been dead for many years, and it's his fault (Reagans) typical DEM response, blame the Republicans. When the current LIAR (OBAMMY ) was running for office, " I will secure the border within the first year in office". Must be one of the 57 states that he has visited that needs more work.

dnf777
04-30-2010, 09:21 AM
WOW!! The man has been dead for many years, and it's his fault (Reagans) typical DEM response, blame the Republicans. When the current LIAR (OBAMMY ) was running for office, " I will secure the border within the first year in office". Must be one of the 57 states that he has visited that needs more work.

THAT's a typical response, calling anyone who doesn't agree totally with Rush/Hannity/beck a DEM!? If you read Franco's posts on many issues, (without blinders on) you will clearly see he is anything but a democrat! This business is getting funnier each day! :)

There is a real schism in the republican camp...between the far right, and anyone else left behind, such as Crist and others who have had to leave the party. Christy Todd Whitman was likewise shoved out, and several years ago published her book, "Its My Party Too", predicting this exodus of those not "far enough" right.

Franco
04-30-2010, 10:10 AM
No doubt this November will tell us a lot about the mindset of this nation, and since it's a moot point concerning who's leading in the Presidential race, my concern is seeing if the Republicans can get back to conservative roots through candidates that adhere to those principles. This would, however, be the time to see if the Independant "movement" has any teeth. If they can't produce candidates to carry out their views, why should any conservative jump on board a Libertarian candidate for President?

UB

I'm not convinced that those in the GOP that call themselves Conservative are really Conservative as much as they just have different values than the Dems.

Both parties are about huge government and that is why we have the mess we have today!

I'll vote for whichever candidate realizes the way to "Take This Country Back" is by shrinking the Federal Government. I know it won't be the Dems. Thier Health Care bill will only grow our inept governement.

If we want to take the country back, the first step in to limit Congress and that means shrinking and limiting what they can do and how much money they can spend!

LukesMom
04-30-2010, 05:54 PM
THAT's a typical response, calling anyone who doesn't agree totally with Rush/Hannity/beck a DEM!? If you read Franco's posts on many issues, (without blinders on) you will clearly see he is anything but a democrat! This business is getting funnier each day! :)

There is a real schism in the republican camp...between the far right, and anyone else left behind, such as Crist and others who have had to leave the party. Christy Todd Whitman was likewise shoved out, and several years ago published her book, "Its My Party Too", predicting this exodus of those not "far enough" right.

I don't assume that you'd like to make a small wager on the upcoming fall elections?? The far left, which includes the print , and electronic will give most any liberal ( they are DEMS ) a free pass on almost anything, blame it on Reagan/Bush. Wake up , you have a SOCIALIST government in all 3 branches of our government.

Franco
04-30-2010, 08:16 PM
I don't assume that you'd like to make a small wager on the upcoming fall elections?? The far left, which includes the print , and electronic will give most any liberal ( they are DEMS ) a free pass on almost anything, blame it on Reagan/Bush. Wake up , you have a SOCIALIST government in all 3 branches of our government.

No doubt the GOP will win a few seats in November. A voter revolution, no. And, even with a few more seats, what's going to change?

The mismanagement of the country, the poor leadership and self-interest is rampant in both parties.

A real voter revolution would bring both parties to thier knees by voting for the OTHER candidate.