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david gibson
04-20-2010, 08:59 AM
anyone see this guy on Larry King? bad enough he admits he smoked pot before coming on the show, but in discussing his belief that 9/11 was a conspiracy, he said (paraphrasing):


WN:"show me one other case where a building collapsed after a jet crashed in to it"

LK: "um..... i don't believe it's ever happened before"

WN: "Oh I'm sure it has"

wtf?? what an embarrassment to the great state of Texas. love his music and have met him a few times, but geeze, shut up when you arent singing.

dnf777
04-20-2010, 09:27 AM
anyone see this guy on Larry King? bad enough he admits he smoked pot before coming on the show, but in discussing his belief that 9/11 was a conspiracy, he said (paraphrasing):


WN:"show me one other case where a building collapsed after a jet crashed in to it"

LK: "um..... i don't believe it's ever happened before"

WN: "Oh I'm sure it has"

wtf?? what an embarrassment to the great state of Texas. love his music and have met him a few times, but geeze, shut up when you arent singing.

You could make the same request of many in the entertainment business, but last time I checked, they are Americans with the Freedom of Speech.

If more people would "relax" with Willie, we probably wouldn't be in so much trouble!

david gibson
04-20-2010, 09:43 AM
You could make the same request of many in the entertainment business, but last time I checked, they are Americans with the Freedom of Speech.

If more people would "relax" with Willie, we probably wouldn't be in so much trouble!

i never said they didnt have the right to free speech, but they should shut up for the benefit of us all when they wax so ignorantly. willie is a prime example of why pot should not be legalized, and all he does with appearances like that is strengthen the forces against it. if i knew smoking pot would turn my brain in to something like his i would never have partaken in my youth... ;-)

Koolaid
04-20-2010, 10:00 AM
i never said they didnt have the right to free speech, but they should shut up for the benefit of us all when they wax so ignorantly. willie is a prime example of why pot should not be legalized, and all he does with appearances like that is strengthen the forces against it. if i knew smoking pot would turn my brain in to something like his i would never have partaken in my youth... ;-)

Government experts now admit that pot doesn't kill brain cells.(Dr. Christine Hartel, Acting Director of Research, National Institute of Drug Abuse, cited by the State of Hawaii Dept of Health, Alcohol and Drug Abuse Division in memo of Feb. 4, 1994.) This myth came from a handful of animal experiments in which structural changes (not actual cell death, as is often alleged) were observed in brain cells of animals exposed to high doses of pot. Many critics still cite the notorious monkey studies of Dr. Robert G. Heath, which purported to find brain damage in three monkeys that had been heavily dosed with cannabis.(For an overview, see NAS Report, op. cit., pp. 81-2. R.G. Heath et al, Cannabis sativa: effects on brain function and ultrastructure in Rhesus monkeys, Biol. Psychiatry 15: 657-90 (1980).) This work was never replicated and has since been discredited by a pair of better controlled, much larger monkey studies, one by Dr. William Slikker of the National Center for Toxicological Research(William Slikker et al., Chronic Marijuana Smoke Exposure in the Rhesus Monkey, Fundamental and Applied Toxicology 17: 321-32 (1991).) and the other by Charles Rebert and Gordon Pryor of SRI International.(Charles Rebert & Gordon Pryor - Chronic Inhalation of Marijuana Smoke and Brain Electrophysiology of Rhesus Monkeys, International Journal of Psychophysiology V 14, p.144, 1993.) Neither found any evidence of physical alteration in the brains of monkeys exposed to daily doses of pot for up to a year. Human studies of heavy users in Jamaica and Costa Rica found no evidence of abnormalities in brain physiology.(NAS Report, pp. 82-7.) Even though there is no evidence that pot causes permanent brain damage, users should be aware that persistent deficits in short-term memory have been noted in chronic, heavy marijuana smokers after 6 to 12 weeks of abstinence.(Cannabis and Memory Loss, (editorial) British Journal of Addiction 86: 249-52 (1991).) It is worth noting that other drugs, including alcohol, are known to cause brain damage.

Pretty sure your end comment was slight sarcasm, but this is just a defensive measure for the inevitable ;-)

dnf777
04-20-2010, 10:05 AM
if i knew smoking pot would turn my brain in to something like his i would never have partaken in my youth... ;-)

Aaahh, that explains everything! ;-)

If you don't like what he's waxing, the remote control is right next to the Nachos.

david gibson
04-20-2010, 10:12 AM
well, i can excuse a lot of things, but the 9/11 truthers are something i just cant comprehend. i guess my brain just cant pretend to be that stupid.

dnf777
04-20-2010, 10:14 AM
well, i can excuse a lot of things, but the 9/11 truthers are something i just cant comprehend. i guess my brain just cant pretend to be that stupid.

I can agree with that. I would put truthers and birthers in the exact same boat. Airplane actually, and see if it can fly through volcanic clouds. Put 'em to good use for a change. They're all smoking something, and it's not what Willie smokes.

depittydawg
04-20-2010, 10:31 AM
There are so many loopholes and unanswered questions regarding 9-11 that conspiracy is certainly a viable alternative. The Single Plane theory of the collapse of all those buildings is about as plausible as the "Single Bullet Theory" from Dallas in '63.

david gibson
04-20-2010, 10:40 AM
There are so many loopholes and unanswered questions regarding 9-11 that conspiracy is certainly a viable alternative. The Single Plane theory of the collapse of all those buildings is about as plausible as the "Single Bullet Theory" from Dallas in '63.

thanks for exposing your lack of comprehension of the whole thing. there were 2 planes nimrod.

there was no conspiracy, get over it. and to compare 9/11 truthers to birthers is also a joke. exponential difference in scale.

yeah, Bush was so evil he made friends with a bunch of islamic terrorists and convinced them to fly in to the trade center bldgs so he would have an excuse to invade iraq.


puhleeeeeeze. and nobody ever talked. yeah.

has anyone ever seen the NatGeo documentary? yeah, they are in cohoots with Bush and made up all that timeline etc....


there really are ignorant people in this world. some of you prove it every day.

depittydawg
04-20-2010, 10:44 AM
Way to go bubba. Of course there were two planes. And 3 towers fell bozo. Do some research. It really doesn't hurt that much .

ducknwork
04-20-2010, 10:46 AM
And the motivation for killing thousands of your own innocent countrymen would be....(waiting for you to fill in the blank)

dnf777
04-20-2010, 10:48 AM
thanks for exposing your lack of comprehension of the whole thing. there were 2 planes nimrod.

there was no conspiracy, get over it. and to compare 9/11 truthers to birthers is also a joke. exponential difference in scale.

yeah, Bush was so evil he made friends with a bunch of islamic terrorists and convinced them to fly in to the trade center bldgs so he would have an excuse to invade iraq.


puhleeeeeeze. and nobody ever talked. yeah.

has anyone ever seen the NatGeo documentary? yeah, they are in cohoots with Bush and made up all that timeline etc....


there really are ignorant people in this world. some of you prove it every day.

Yeah David,
that is crazy. here's something else that's crazy. A left wing Kenyan braintrust conspired to rule the world, starting with the USA, so they smuggled a kenyan baby into the US to become president. they forged birth certificates and even called the Honolulu newspaper to announce the birth. Even though its fairly easy and affordable to get elected president of a little country like the United States, just to improve his chances, they made him black, and made sure he was raised in a broken home. The "say" he went to Harvard and got a law degree, and served as a professor of constitutional law at Chicago, but I never sat in a lecture hall and heard him lecture...have you??

You must have smoked much more than you recall if you distinguish between truthers (thats it) and birthers. They're all loonies.



Oh, but birthers are nowhere near as crazy as whatever you called those other people.

Hew
04-20-2010, 10:54 AM
There are so many loopholes and unanswered questions regarding 9-11 that conspiracy is certainly a viable alternative.
Ah, so because some questions are unanswered (many of which cannot be answered or will never be answered to the satisfaction of those who won't accept the answers in the first place) then a viable default is a vast consipiracy that would require the planning/silence of thousands? If that's the standard/logic, then another viable alternative is that aliens from the planet Klebnor brought down the Towers, the Pentagon and put a hole in PA field with their death rays. Both alternatives are about as likely (and about as laughable).

david gibson
04-20-2010, 10:55 AM
Way to go bubba. Of course there were two planes. And 3 towers fell bozo. Do some research. It really doesn't hurt that much .
dude you said it : "The Single Plane theory of the collapse of all those buildings...."

2 planes, each destroyed one tower, the resulting damage and fires from the collapse of those two titans subsequently destroyed 7 world trade center. not difficult to comprehend.

to believe it was a conspiracy is insanity in its purest form. you are saying NatGeo is covering for Bush, and all those people that worked on that documentary planned out a meticulously detailed fictional account all for Bush.

just think one second about reality.

i'd love to debate this, but seriously, my brain can't pretend to be that stupid. it's just like being a geologist and explaining to that Iranian cleric that promiscuous women dont really cause earthquakes.

talk about 2 people in the same boat. enjoy your company! LOL!

Hew
04-20-2010, 10:56 AM
Yeah David,
that is crazy. here's something else that's crazy. A left wing Kenyan braintrust conspired to rule the world, starting with the USA, so they smuggled a kenyan baby into the US to become president.
Umm, didn't you mean left wing Keynesian braintrust?

david gibson
04-20-2010, 10:59 AM
Yeah David,
that is crazy. here's something else that's crazy. A left wing Kenyan braintrust conspired to rule the world, starting with the USA, so they smuggled a kenyan baby into the US to become president. they forged birth certificates and even called the Honolulu newspaper to announce the birth. Even though its fairly easy and affordable to get elected president of a little country like the United States, just to improve his chances, they made him black, and made sure he was raised in a broken home. The "say" he went to Harvard and got a law degree, and served as a professor of constitutional law at Chicago, but I never sat in a lecture hall and heard him lecture...have you??

You must have smoked much more than you recall if you distinguish between truthers (thats it) and birthers. They're all loonies.



Oh, but birthers are nowhere near as crazy as whatever you called those other people.

i do believe Obama may not be a citizen. BUT, not for the reasons you cite. not all birthers think that way, just the loonies. no, it was not a conspiracy, no one planned this from his birth, but i do feel that he may not be a citizen. he is hiding a lot more than Bush released. why? i think his harvard records may show him to be a citizen of indonesia, so he wont release them.

no grand conspiracy, no baby smuggling, no plan to take over the world. most of that is possibly made up by obama-ites to discredit the birthers, just like they do to the tea parties. he just doesnt qualify. thats all, and its very easy to doubt.

dnf777
04-20-2010, 12:30 PM
i do believe Obama may not be a citizen. BUT, not for the reasons you cite. not all birthers think that way, just the loonies. no, it was not a conspiracy, no one planned this from his birth, but i do feel that he may not be a citizen. he is hiding a lot more than Bush released. why? i think his harvard records may show him to be a citizen of indonesia, so he wont release them.

no grand conspiracy, no baby smuggling, no plan to take over the world. most of that is possibly made up by obama-ites to discredit the birthers, just like they do to the tea parties. he just doesnt qualify. thats all, and its very easy to doubt.

He can be a citizen of any country or planet he wants. If he was born in the USA, then he is a citizen. Period. I have friends who lived overseas for periods of time. That does not relinquish your US citizenship. Hell, I lived in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia for 6 months (al Karj, to be exact) I hope I'm here legally as a citizen, according to birther standards??!!

depittydawg
04-20-2010, 12:40 PM
I don't know. Why don't you ask Timothy McVea. In essence though, not understanding the motive for a crime, does not preclude that a crime did not occur. My original statement that the crime has in essence gone unresolved, as did the Murder of a President at another time and place.
As stated, there are many many unanswered questions about 9-11. If we answer the questions, perhaps we will determine who committed the crime and what their motives were. The official versions to date, do more to raise questions than to answer them.

david gibson
04-20-2010, 01:07 PM
I don't know. Why don't you ask Timothy McVea. In essence though, not understanding the motive for a crime, does not preclude that a crime did not occur. My original statement that the crime has in essence gone unresolved, as did the Murder of a President at another time and place.
As stated, there are many many unanswered questions about 9-11. If we answer the questions, perhaps we will determine who committed the crime and what their motives were. The official versions to date, do more to raise questions than to answer them.

have you seen the NatGeo documentery?? "Inside 9/11"? sure there are questions, heck, there are tons of questions about WWII but that doesnt make it a farce. there is enough solid knowledge to bridge over the questions, kinda like evolution and missing links.

i imagine you think the moon landings were staged too.....if not, why not? plenty of questions there too! fits your MO perfectly, be consistent bro! ;-)

dnf777
04-20-2010, 01:12 PM
have you seen the NatGeo documentery?? "Inside 9/11"? sure there are questions, heck, there are tons of questions about WWII but that doesnt make it a farce. there is enough solid knowledge to bridge over the questions, kinda like evolution and missing links.

i imagine you think the moon landings were staged too.....if not, why not? plenty of questions there too! fits your MO perfectly, be consistent bro! ;-)

Nat Geo as a credible source? you mean the same liberal rag that publishes AlGorisms about global warming, and depicts us as evolving from apes, and showing geological formations then claiming they're billions of years old? Obviously a Godless, liberal socialist indoctrination propaganda rag not fit for any birther worth his weight in tea bags to be reading! :rolleyes:

Just got mine today with Mt. St.Helens on the cover! :D

david gibson
04-20-2010, 01:18 PM
Nat Geo as a credible source? you mean the same liberal rag that publishes AlGorisms about global warming, and depicts us as evolving from apes, and showing geological formations then claiming they're billions of years old? Obviously a Godless, liberal socialist indoctrination propaganda rag not fit for any birther worth his weight in tea bags to be reading! :rolleyes:

Just got mine today with Mt. St.Helens on the cover! :D

all fun aside, did you see it? it was truly amazing. a very well done piece that covered it all from start to finish. if its all fiction then its so dang good i'll accept it as truth just because! ;-)

dnf777
04-20-2010, 01:24 PM
all fun aside, did you see it? it was truly amazing. a very well done piece that covered it all from start to finish. if its all fiction then its so dang good i'll accept it as truth just because! ;-)

If I could only get one journal/magazine....it would be Nat Geo. If my wife didn't check the mail, it might be something else, but for now, Nat Geo.

Their worst photos are stellar compared to my best. Those guys and gals are truly talented and brave. I wish they would do a volume on following their photographers around on a mission, so people could see the positions they put themselves into to get some of those shots.

McCurry disguised himself as a mujihideen to infiltrate Afghanistan during the Russian invasion. The world's most famous portrait of the young girl was sewn into his vest to smuggle it out of country along with other negatives. Truly dedicated (if not crazy) professionals.

YardleyLabs
04-20-2010, 01:57 PM
He can be a citizen of any country or planet he wants. If he was born in the USA, then he is a citizen. Period. I have friends who lived overseas for periods of time. That does not relinquish your US citizenship. Hell, I lived in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia for 6 months (al Karj, to be exact) I hope I'm here legally as a citizen, according to birther standards??!!
There are only seven ways to lose U.S. citizenship and they all require actions by the adult citizen, not the citizen's parents or guardians. They are:

obtaining naturalization in a foreign state (Sec. 349 (a) (1) INA);
taking an oath, affirmation or other formal declaration to a foreign state or its political subdivisions (Sec. 349 (a) (2) INA);
entering or serving in the armed forces of a foreign state engaged in hostilities against the U.S. or serving as a commissioned or non-commissioned officer in the armed forces of a foreign state (Sec. 349 (a) (3) INA);
accepting employment with a foreign government if (a) one has the nationality of that foreign state or (b) an oath or declaration of allegiance is required in accepting the position (Sec. 349 (a) (4) INA);
formally renouncing U.S. citizenship before a U.S. diplomatic or consular officer outside the United States (sec. 349 (a) (5) INA);
formally renouncing U.S. citizenship within the U.S. (but only under strict, narrow statutory conditions) (Sec. 349 (a) (6) INA);
conviction for an act of treason (Sec. 349 (a) (7) INA).[source: http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_778.html]

The law actually assumes that the individual intends to retain citizenship even when potentially expatriating acts are performed. For that reason, the individual will almost always retain citizenship despite such actions unless they go through a formal procedure to renounce their citizenship by written affidavit before an appropriate US government official. For example, even if Obama's Indonesian father obtained an Indonesian passport for Obama, Obama would have retained his US citizenship unless he subsequently renounced it formally as an adult before a US consular official.

ducknwork
04-20-2010, 02:30 PM
I don't know. Why don't you ask Timothy McVea. In essence though, not understanding the motive for a crime, does not preclude that a crime did not occur. My original statement that the crime has in essence gone unresolved, as did the Murder of a President at another time and place.
As stated, there are many many unanswered questions about 9-11. If we answer the questions, perhaps we will determine who committed the crime and what their motives were. The official versions to date, do more to raise questions than to answer them.

Seriously? George Bush is equivalent to McVeigh now?

That's the first time I have heard that one.

dnf777
04-20-2010, 03:49 PM
There are only seven ways to lose U.S. citizenship and they all require actions by the adult citizen, not the citizen's parents or guardians. They are:

obtaining naturalization in a foreign state (Sec. 349 (a) (1) INA);
taking an oath, affirmation or other formal declaration to a foreign state or its political subdivisions (Sec. 349 (a) (2) INA);
entering or serving in the armed forces of a foreign state engaged in hostilities against the U.S. or serving as a commissioned or non-commissioned officer in the armed forces of a foreign state (Sec. 349 (a) (3) INA);
accepting employment with a foreign government if (a) one has the nationality of that foreign state or (b) an oath or declaration of allegiance is required in accepting the position (Sec. 349 (a) (4) INA);
formally renouncing U.S. citizenship before a U.S. diplomatic or consular officer outside the United States (sec. 349 (a) (5) INA);
formally renouncing U.S. citizenship within the U.S. (but only under strict, narrow statutory conditions) (Sec. 349 (a) (6) INA);
conviction for an act of treason (Sec. 349 (a) (7) INA).[source: http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_778.html]

The law actually assumes that the individual intends to retain citizenship even when potentially expatriating acts are performed. For that reason, the individual will almost always retain citizenship despite such actions unless they go through a formal procedure to renounce their citizenship by written affidavit before an appropriate US government official. For example, even if Obama's Indonesian father obtained an Indonesian passport for Obama, Obama would have retained his US citizenship unless he subsequently renounced it formally as an adult before a US consular official.

Interesting. I assume you cut and pasted from a DOS site? I question a few of those however. According to #3, many American men who joined the Canadian RAF during WWII gave up their citizenship? (although Canada is not engaged against the US, the second phrase only says serving as a NCO or officer in the service of a foreign state.

I also knew an Arab-American serviceman (army) who retired from the military with 20 years while in Riyadh, and took a job building cell phone towers for the royal family. According to #4, he gave up his citizenship?

But back to Obama and the birther's claims...it would seem the burden of proof lies with the birthers, to show where Obama, once attaining the age of consent, renounced his citizenship. Its all so silly, I'm glad its largely being ignored, much like the truther's claims. Two peas in a pod. Or two nuts in a fruitcake!

YardleyLabs
04-20-2010, 04:06 PM
Interesting. I assume you cut and pasted from a DOS site? I question a few of those however. According to #3, many American men who joined the Canadian RAF during WWII gave up their citizenship? (although Canada is not engaged against the US, the second phrase only says serving as a NCO or officer in the service of a foreign state.

I also knew an Arab-American serviceman (army) who retired from the military with 20 years while in Riyadh, and took a job building cell phone towers for the royal family. According to #4, he gave up his citizenship?

But back to Obama and the birther's claims...it would seem the burden of proof lies with the birthers, to show where Obama, once attaining the age of consent, renounced his citizenship. Its all so silly, I'm glad its largely being ignored, much like the truther's claims. Two peas in a pod. Or two nuts in a fruitcake!
Yes, it was cut and paste from the State Department site noted in the reference. With respect to those who have fought in the armies of other countries, the administrative presumption becomes important. The State Department notes that it assumes there was no intent to give up citizenship unless the army is at war with the US or the person formally renounces their citizenship.