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Sabireley
04-29-2010, 12:46 PM
http://www.ronpaul.com/2010-04-15/ron-pauls-speech-at-the-tea-party-in-washington-dc/

I like Ron Paul. He makes some good points, particularly about the size of government and agencies to eliminate. Most of what he recommends will never happen because the two major parties have too much at stake to dismantle the system that keeps them in power.

Uncle Bill
04-29-2010, 06:29 PM
I've liked Ron Paul for many years. If he would embrace the conservative Republican party, he could make a dent. Trying to develope a Libertarian party is a waste of resources, much like the Green Party on the left. While the leadership has a message that many can follow, there is no "PARTY"...it's just them. Even Perot didn't have the bread to organize a PARTY...IOW, there are no congresscritters.

That's why the TEA party crowd needs to embrace the opposition Republican party, and support conservative candidates as they find them. It's great to build up a grassroots agenda, and be motivated to get your country back, but it needs to be done in the existing framework. To bolt and attempt to establish a seperate entity, will only do what Perot did...get the liberal Democrat party further entrenched in going socialist.

UB

Koolaid
04-29-2010, 08:29 PM
I've liked Ron Paul for many years. If he would embrace the conservative Republican party, he could make a dent. Trying to develope a Libertarian party is a waste of resources, much like the Green Party on the left. While the leadership has a message that many can follow, there is no "PARTY"...it's just them. Even Perot didn't have the bread to organize a PARTY...IOW, there are no congresscritters.

That's why the TEA party crowd needs to embrace the opposition Republican party, and support conservative candidates as they find them. It's great to build up a grassroots agenda, and be motivated to get your country back, but it needs to be done in the existing framework. To bolt and attempt to establish a seperate entity, will only do what Perot did...get the liberal Democrat party further entrenched in going socialist.

UB

So are you saying that you think Ron Paul should forget about what he believes in and just fall into line?

BonMallari
04-29-2010, 09:06 PM
I like the RP message...unfortunately not a big fan of the messenger, but I think he is most effective as a congressman and could make an effective cabinet member in the right administration, just dont think he is Presidential material

Franco
04-29-2010, 10:49 PM
If RP was 20 years younger he would have a chance. Maybe he'll inspire a younger Independent to step up and carry his torch.

The man is too smart to position himself with the GOP. He knows they're done. He also knows that voters are fedup with both parties and if there is going to be a real voter's revolution, it will be incumbants of both partys tossed out.

All candidates in the future should be independents!;-)

dnf777
04-29-2010, 11:01 PM
Couldn't agree more with ya Franco, but the money/media/corporate ties that the two major parties have will make it hard to break in without one of their's support. Back during the primary season, the debate amongst republican barely gave RP ANY face time on the tv. It was amazing how the producers kept his face off the screen except for VERY SHORT clips of his actual answers, while you got constant views of McCain and Romney, even when they weren't speaking. I knew then, RP didn't have a chance.

Franco
04-29-2010, 11:14 PM
If the message is strong enough, it will be heard.

Besides, the public is fed up with both parties. Give voters a solid alternative and I think they'll toss both mainstream parties out.

The GOP is leaderless. The face of the party and thier media advocates are only popular with thier choir, so to speak.

The Dems are thier worst own enemy and have a history of self-distruction.

Time for a new voice! An Indepentent one.:cool:

BonMallari
04-29-2010, 11:47 PM
If the message is strong enough, it will be heard.

Besides, the public is fed up with both parties. Give voters a solid alternative and I think they'll toss both mainstream parties out.

The GOP is leaderless. The face of the party and thier media advocates are only popular with thier choir, so to speak.

The Dems are thier worst own enemy and have a history of self-distruction.

Time for a new voice! An Indepentent one.:cool:

your idea may be valid but in practical and pragmatic thinking an Independent would not work in the White House until Independents take a viable number of House and Senate seats..and independent is loyal to neither party and would not get the support to get bills passed, he will pander to the left for social issues and pander to the right for issues such as defense..people think they want compromise, they say they want compromise, but in reality they want the other side to compromise and the outcome to slant in their favor...

Uncle Bill
04-30-2010, 08:03 AM
your idea may be valid but in practical and pragmatic thinking an Independent would not work in the White House until Independents take a viable number of House and Senate seats..and independent is loyal to neither party and would not get the support to get bills passed, he will pander to the left for social issues and pander to the right for issues such as defense..people think they want compromise, they say they want compromise, but in reality they want the other side to compromise and the outcome to slant in their favor...


Pretty much my point. No, he doesn't have to compromise his views all that much, unless he gets in bed with the Democrats. While it's nice to think the independants can win, and there's no backing for either party, until there is a strong field of independants running for congress, all you have is a titular presidential candidate, and we saw how Perot did with that.

UB

road kill
04-30-2010, 08:08 AM
It's a 2 party system, that's the way it's "RIGGED!!"

If the Republicans are so far gone, he should step up and lead them in a new direction.

If not, run as an "independent," syphon votes from the Republicans while guys like the Independents on here vote Democrats in.

It's pretty simple really, there is NO WAY an Independent will win a national election.

All "Blue Dog" or Independent Democrats run on the Democrats ticket!!
Independent Republicans are encouraged to NOT run on the Republican ticket because the party is dead?

Ridiculus!!!






rk

subroc
04-30-2010, 08:14 AM
all a 3rd party does is damage the party that they are most aligned with philosophically and give the victory to the party that they are least aligned with philosophically.

Matt McKenzie
04-30-2010, 08:16 AM
The libertarians, true conservatives and the more sane of the tea partiers have a great opportunity to steer the GOP into a a direction the majority of fly-over America can get behind. They just need real leaders.

dnf777
04-30-2010, 09:25 AM
all a 3rd party does is damage the party that they are most aligned with philosophically and give the victory to the party that they are least aligned with philosophically.

Isn't that the truth. I'm not sure though, about Ross Perot. Despite RK's claim that an Indy will never fill the WH, Perot had a damn good shot at it. If you remember, he dropped out, then got back in. Had he not done that, I wouldn't be surprised if he had pulled it off. Maybe he never wanted to really be president? I do agree with RK now. It would be REALLY hard to get the financial and media backing....and corporate backing...well, forget it!

YardleyLabs
04-30-2010, 09:31 AM
all a 3rd party does is damage the party that they are most aligned with philosophically and give the victory to the party that they are least aligned with philosophically.
It seems to me that the conservatives calling for a purge of moderates from the Republican Party are the ones forcing the change. I don't know why any moderate would continue to support the GOP if it chooses to "purify" itself.

Marvin S
04-30-2010, 09:36 AM
Follow RP's VOTING record, he is a spender who knows how to pander to the likes of Franco & the doc (examples). What's :( is they believe that manure.

The easy way to make the system work is to align yourself with the party that mostly adheres to the principles you believe in. Then change their outlook on those principles that are espoused which are not good for the country, with solutions. To believe that the congresscritters will do this without prodding is fairly naive. Remember it's our country, not their's to abuse for their own ends as they have been doing.

huntinman
04-30-2010, 09:42 AM
It seems to me that the conservatives calling for a purge of moderates from the Republican Party are the ones forcing the change. I don't know why any moderate would continue to support the GOP if it chooses to "purify" itself.

The Dem's have already done that and the far left is in total control. Worked good enough to win the White House. Only problem is, now the cat is out of the bag and people can see that they are way out of touch. Republicans turn again...

YardleyLabs
04-30-2010, 09:47 AM
The Dem's have already done that and the far left is in total control. Worked good enough to win the White House. Only problem is, now the cat is out of the bag and people can see that they are way out of touch. Republicans turn again...
May be. But if Republicans "rush" to the right and the economy continues to improve, the results could shift quickly.

Franco
04-30-2010, 09:58 AM
Ron Pauls's voting record.

Looks like he votes as an Independent.

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/p000583/key-votes/

Who will the GOP run in 2012? Both Gingrich or Palin would lose is a landslide against Obama.

subroc
04-30-2010, 10:31 AM
It seems to me that the conservatives calling for a purge of moderates from the Republican Party are the ones forcing the change. I don't know why any moderate would continue to support the GOP if it chooses to "purify" itself.

A left wing extreme view of what is happening in the Republican Party. The exclusion on the left is epic as well as malicious, but conveniently hidden by the media.

Marvin S
04-30-2010, 11:26 AM
It seems to me that the conservatives calling for a purge of moderates from the Republican Party are the ones forcing the change. I don't know why any moderate would continue to support the GOP if it chooses to "purify" itself.

That's given the party Collins, Snowe, Chafee, Specter, McCain, Dole, Crist whom I believe we would have been better off without.


A left wing extreme view of what is happening in the Republican Party. The exclusion on the left is epic as well as malicious, but conveniently hidden by the media.

:) The left can not see that, Yardley probably considers himself moderate :BIG: .

YardleyLabs
04-30-2010, 11:34 AM
:) The left can not see that, Yardley probably considers himself moderate :BIG: .
I actually consider myself a moderate Democrat and recognize that, by the standards of this forum, that places me in the ranks of the extreme left. I assume that you also recognize that by the standards of the electorate as a whole, that you would rank as extreme right.

road kill
04-30-2010, 12:01 PM
I actually consider myself a moderate Democrat and recognize that, by the standards of this forum, that places me in the ranks of the extreme left. I assume that you also recognize that by the standards of the electorate as a whole, that you would rank as extreme right.

That one actually made me spit my ovaltine through my nose.:D

The biggest Secular Progressive I have ever come in contact with claims to be a moderate??


What does that tell you about the Democrat party or Yardley's grasp of reality???:rolleyes:



RK

Franco
04-30-2010, 12:10 PM
I would consider Yardley to be a moderate Democrat.

If you haven't or don't read the Huffington Post, then you would not recognize that.

I like to read what both sides are saying on issues so that I can make up my own mind.

I am always open to to hearing opposing views!

YardleyLabs
04-30-2010, 12:17 PM
That on actually made me spit my ovaltine through my nose.:D

The biggest Secular Progressive I have ever come in contact with claims to be a moderate??


What does that tell you about the Democrat party or Yardley's grasp of reality???:rolleyes:



RK
I suspect you don't travel in many Democrat circles as a self described extreme right winger.;-) I'm actually pretty far to the right of the DFA and other elements of the Democratic Party "core". I am much more of a Bill Clinton style Democrat (minus the cigars) on economic issues, which places me more towards the right wing of the party. On social issues I am a pretty strong libertarian, which puts me at odds with the social ideologues in both major parties. On foreign policy, I tend to be very anti-imperialist, but generally pragmatic. I'm pretty happy to let each country determine its own politics without our help or the interference of their neighbors as long as they don't try to impose themselves on others. On religion, I am definitely a secularist in my own beliefs and oppose all efforts to define our own government around religion. I do not define my own beliefs as either left wing or right wing since I clearly share values with both. What I don't share is any ideological allegiance to either.

road kill
04-30-2010, 12:24 PM
I suspect you don't travel in many Democrat circles as a self described extreme right winger.;-) I'm actually pretty far to the right of the DFA and other elements of the Democratic Party "core". I am much more of a Bill Clinton style Democrat (minus the cigars) on economic issues, which places me more towards the right wing of the party. On social issues I am a pretty strong libertarian, which puts me at odds with the social ideologues in both major parties. On foreign policy, I tend to be very anti-imperialist, but generally pragmatic. I'm pretty happy to let each country determine its own politics without our help or the interference of their neighbors as long as they don't try to impose themselves on others. On religion, I am definitely a secularist in my own beliefs and oppose all efforts to define our own government around religion. I do not define my own beliefs as either left wing or right wing since I clearly share values with both. What I don't share is any ideological allegiance to either.
I have nothing against Democrats, some great Americans that I respect were Democrats.

I am adamantly opposed to progressive government.
http://www.workingfamiliesparty.org/
The NEW ACORN!!??


(the only Liberal I know is my son, but he is young)


rk

YardleyLabs
04-30-2010, 12:38 PM
I have nothing against Democrats, some great Americans that I respect were Democrats.

I am adamantly opposed to progressive government.
http://www.workingfamiliesparty.org/
The NEW ACORN!!??


(the only Liberal I know is my son, but he is young)


rk
I'm not sure I even know what you mean by a "progressive" government. I thought we prided or selves on having a progressive government, one that is ready for the future.

dnf777
04-30-2010, 01:50 PM
That one actually made me spit my ovaltine through my nose.:D

The biggest Secular Progressive I have ever come in contact with claims to be a moderate??

What does that tell you about the Democrat party or Yardley's grasp of reality???:rolleyes:
RK
I think its more telling of the modern republican party, how you phrase your comment.
The fact that you link "secular" to "progressive" shows a prejudice that has been fostered by the "religious"-"right". (there, I did it too!) One's spirituality or religiosity may or may NOT have anything to do with their governmental or economic ideologies. It has been in the era of the Falwells and Ralph Reids that we have seen the right wing of our political make-up become hijacked by the Christian conservatives, so much so, that we now automatically say things like "secular-progressive" or "religious-right". If I were a Goldwater republican (and I used to be) this would really pi$$ me off. This in large part has been what has caused an exodus of moderate republicans from the party. (don't mean to start a debate on what constitutes a 'moderate' republican, but you get my point)

dave

ps...I hope the goldwater republican comment didn't cause you to lose what's left of your ovaltine! :D

subroc
04-30-2010, 02:33 PM
Jeff

BTW, speaking of "purging," democrats have moved so far to the left in such a short period of time they purged their VP candidate, Joe Lieberman from thier ranks in just a couple of years.

democrats, the real party of exclusion

YardleyLabs
04-30-2010, 02:53 PM
Jeff

BTW, speaking of "purging," democrats have moved so far to the left in such a short period of time they purged their VP candidate, Joe Lieberman from thier ranks in just a couple of years.

democrats, the real party of exclusion
It depends, of course, on who you mean by Democrats. The entire national party structure supported him in every way possible. However, he lost the primary in his own state based largely on his own support of the bush administration and the Iraq war. That's not exactly the case with Crist, is it? In Pennsylvania, the battle is now between the national and state party structure that wants to support the more conservative Arlen Specter, who was purged by Republicans in favor of Toomey, against a more liberal challenger, Joe Sestak. The voters may retire Specter, although part of the reason is that Specter does not appear to be any stronger as a candidate for election than Sestak. In fact, there is a push from the most liberal segment of the Democratic party to get rid of some of the more conservative democratic incumbents. While Tea Party members claim support for the decision by Nelson to retire, he may have been influenced at least as much by a fairly well funded challenge from the left. Personally, I prefer a party moving toward the center rather than moving either left or right. I'd rather see all the ideologues sharing leaky row boats as they go out to sea to help stop the oil spill. To paraphrase Mercutio, "A curse on both their houses."

subroc
04-30-2010, 02:59 PM
arlen specter left, he wasn't purged. the democrats purged Joe Lieberman

YardleyLabs
04-30-2010, 03:31 PM
arlen specter left, he wasn't purged. the democrats purged Joe Lieberman
Actually he left because the alternative was to lose the primary and retire. While he received support from Bush in 2004, the state party did little to support him, preferring the more conservative Toomey who came close to beating Specter in 2004 and was guaranteed to beat him for the 2010 nomination. Like Olympia Snow and other Republican moderates, Specter a frequent target of the Republican right wing which was spending a large amount of money to throw him out of office. Of course, Specter was always a good soldier, unlike Lieberman and his campaign for McCain. Specter had agree to rubber-stamp Bush's judicial nominations, no matter how extreme, and crossed the line infrequently on party line votes.

subroc
04-30-2010, 03:47 PM
a left wing interpretation.

Did rank and file want Lieberman? No!

Did party bosses and leadership want Lieberman?

Did rank and file want Specter?

Did party bosses and leadership want Specter?

YardleyLabs
04-30-2010, 03:55 PM
a left wing interpretation.

Did rank and file want Lieberman? No! Agreed

Did party bosses and leadership want Lieberman? Yes

Did rank and file want Specter? No

Did party bosses and leadership want Specter? No, although they wanted him to remain in the Republican camp until Toomey could be elected as his successor..................

depittydawg
04-30-2010, 05:52 PM
That one actually made me spit my ovaltine through my nose.:D

The biggest Secular Progressive I have ever come in contact with claims to be a moderate??


What does that tell you about the Democrat party or Yardley's grasp of reality???:rolleyes:



RK

Not sure. But I can tell you I'm a moderate too. I've voted Dem and Rep. And been disappointed by all. I would agree with Yardley, to the extreme right, everybody else is a flaming liberal. I would also add, that to the extreme left, (whats left of it), we are all conservatives.

Marvin S
04-30-2010, 06:13 PM
Not sure. But I can tell you I'm a moderate too. I've voted Dem and Rep. And been disappointed by all. I would agree with Yardley, to the extreme right, everybody else is a flaming liberal. I would also add, that to the extreme left, (whats left of it), we are all conservatives.

By OR's standard you might get by calling yourself moderate, I've been to Eugene ;-). But in the heartland you are left of Tommy Dashole, as UB so fondly refers to our former Senate Majority Leader.


I actually consider myself a moderate Democrat and recognize that, by the standards of this forum, that places me in the ranks of the extreme left. I assume that you also recognize that by the standards of the electorate as a whole, that you would rank as extreme right.

Actually, you consider yourself a lot of things you are not :). But to attempt to brand me, who is tolerant of most things except: breaking the law, taking advantage of those less gifted & overspending by politico's as extreme right, says a lot of where you in your infinite ignorance of the working segment of the populace reside.

November can't come soon enough ;-) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

road kill
04-30-2010, 07:00 PM
Not sure. But I can tell you I'm a moderate too. I've voted Dem and Rep. And been disappointed by all. I would agree with Yardley, to the extreme right, everybody else is a flaming liberal. I would also add, that to the extreme left, (whats left of it), we are all conservatives.

I don't know how many of Mr. Yardleys posts you have read.
Over the past year or so I have read hundreds.
I understand that he has arrived at his position by way of his lifes experiences.
As have we all.

Personally, I have seen the best life has to offer and the worst, leading me to where I am now.
I don't expect you to beleive or understand that.
It just is.

I feel comfortable in saying that Mr. Yardley is anything BUT a moderate.
Does not make him evil to me, just wayward in his philosophys.




rk