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Uncle Bill
05-06-2010, 10:45 AM
...but that was just my observations of that states problems. I stated it had little to do with illegals getting jobs and running up the costs of schooling, welfare etc. It has to do primarily with the gangster problems and the fear of the Arizona property owners for their homes and their lives. At that time, I didn't have this info, but it pretty much outlines what I have suspected, and was told me by some inhabitants of that state.

UB

http://tucsoncitizen.com/the-cholla-jumps/2010/05/01/state-senator-sylvia-allen-responds-to-sb1070/ (http://tucsoncitizen.com/the-cholla-jumps/2010/05/01/state-senator-sylvia-allen-responds-to-sb1070/)

Buzz
05-06-2010, 11:04 AM
There is no way to defend the federal governments lack of action on the problem of illegal immigration. But it seems that this senator has the immigration problem confused with the drug problem.

Koolaid
05-06-2010, 11:14 AM
Sorry no real horse in this race as our immigrant problems deal more with people trying to claim refuge status to abuse our social programs, but this jumped out at me.


"In the last two years he has found 17 dead bodies and two Koran bibles."


Wiki - Official data estimates in the 2008 census show that there are 25,000 Muslims in Mexico representing % 0.02 percent of the total population.

Kind of makes you want to question this guys story. And kind of makes you want to question her reasoning skills for using that guy as anecdotal evidence.

Koolaid
05-06-2010, 12:21 PM
When I said our I meant Canada.

As in I don't really pay attention to much to do with the American immigration thing.

The Koran thing just seemed like an odd detail.

gmhr1
05-06-2010, 01:16 PM
1. The new Arizona law creates a state penalty to mirror what already is a federal crime. Despite the most vile and hate-filled portrayals of proponents of the law as "Nazis," actions that have been condemned nationally by the Anti-Defamation League, it is ALREADY a federal requirement for legal aliens in the United States to carry their green card or other immigration document. The new Arizona law enforces what has been a federal crime since before World War II. As anyone who has traveled abroad knows, other nations have similar laws.


2. Contrary to many of the horror stories being spread -- President Obama suggested families risk being pulled over while going out for ice cream -- law enforcement cannot randomly ask anyone about their immigration status. Much like enforcement of seat belt laws in many states, under SB 1070 there must first be reasonable suspicion that you are breaking some OTHER non-immigration law before an officer can ask a person about their legal status. Only then, after law enforcement officers have a "reasonable suspicion" that another law has been broken, can they inquire about immigration status -- but ONLY if that individual's behavior provides "reasonable suspicion" that the person is here illegally.


"Reasonable suspicion" is a well-understood concept that has been thoroughly vetted through numerous federal court cases. Many have asked: What is reasonable suspicion? Is it race, skin color or national origin? No! Racial profiling is prohibited in the new law. Examples of reasonable suspicion include: a person running away when approached by law enforcement officers, or a car failing to stop when the police turn on their lights and siren.


3. Arizona's local law enforcement officers, who already reflect the great diversity of culture in our state, are going to be trained to enforce the new immigration law in a constitutional manner. It is shameful and presumptive for opponents to question the good will and the competence of Arizona's law enforcement personnel. The specter that is raised of rogue, racist police harassing people is insulting to those in Arizona who risk their lives in the name of law enforcement every day.

Uncle Bill
05-06-2010, 04:30 PM
Here's another "resident" with an explanation why Arizona folks are enforcing the federal laws on immigration, since the feds don't seem to be willing to do it. More power to them. I'd be in their camp if I was living there, but since I'm not, I can at least offer moral support against that criminal element.

UB

share this with your liberal friends who think we Arizonans are racists.
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE
May 01, 2010
Report from Cochise County, Arizona
By T.J. Woodard

Being an avid AT reader, and living on the Arizona border in Cochise County, I thought I would provide those who wish to be informed some insight into the truth about the state of the U.S.-Mexican border -- at least in this part of the state.

I moved to Cochise County after retiring from the Army in 2008 to take a position working at Fort Huachuca (pronounced "wa-choo-ka," an Apache word meaning "place of thunder" and referring to the time after the summer monsoon season). Having lived here in 1991 for eight months while attending an Army school, I soon realized that the place had changed considerably in the eighteen years of my absence.

The first thing I noticed was how many border patrol vehicles were on the roads in the city of Sierra Vista. The Border Patrol has a large station near here in the city of Naco. There are far more Border Patrol vehicles in the area than SV police cars. They come in many forms -- trucks for off-road work, trailers carrying all-terrain vehicles, pickups with capacity for carrying large numbers of people once apprehended, and even a staff car for the area chaplain. The Border Patrol presence has grown substantially, so one would think the border area was nice and safe.

Not so. Within a short time after arriving in southern Arizona while on my way to work, I noticed eight illegal immigrants on the side of the road. Fortunately, they were in the custody of capable and attentive Border Patrol agents. Unfortunately, they were less than a hundred feet from my daughter's bus stop. She gets personal service to school now, as the school district refuses to enter the gated community in which we live. There is a nice wash, a valley into which the rainwater drains during the monsoons, which provides a nice route for the illegals to follow into the city, and therefore into their locations for pickup by the vehicles that will get them farther north.

Later, after I attended a movie on a Friday night, a car passed by me in the next lane going nearly a hundred miles an hour. It took a few seconds before I saw the police behind -- way behind -- with lights and sirens, trying to catch up. Surprise, surprise -- the next morning's paper discussed a Mexican drug runner being caught by County Sheriff's Deputies. On several occasions, the Border Patrol's helicopter has flown low and slow over the neighborhood, rattling windows and shining its spotlight in our backyard. When this happens, I strap on my pistol, grab a flashlight, and look and listen. Fortunately, I haven't found anybody within a hundred yards of the house -- yet.

Working on a U.S. Army fort, one would think we were fairly secure from these threats. Just not true. Reading the Fort Huachuca newspaper one morning, I noticed an interesting part of the "community" page. It asked for volunteers to assist in cleaning up "dumps" on posts where the illegals would drop their supplies used to cross the border and change clothing. They do this in order to blend in and not look like they just spent a day or two crossing the border in the dust and heat of southern Arizona. The most frightening part of this is that Fort Huachuca is the U.S. Army Intelligence Center, where the Army trains its intelligence soldiers -- analysts, interrogators, radio intercept specialists, and counterintelligence agents -- for operations overseas. If we can't secure the fort we use to train our intelligence soldiers, how can we secure anything else?

Much has been discussed about the new law in Arizona making it unlawful to be in Arizona in violation of federal immigration statutes. However, much less has been discussed about the shooting of rancher Robert Krentz. Robert was killed on his ranch on March 28, 2010. His ranch, on which the family began grazing cattle in 1907 (Arizona became a state in 1912), is a large, 35,000-acre area in remote Cochise County. It is so remote that the original Cochise, an Apache leader, used the mountainous terrain near it to hide from the U.S. Cavalry in the early 1870s. But much less is being said about the eight illegal immigrants and their load of 280 pounds of marijuana seized the day http://www.wilcoxrangenews.com/articles/2010/04/01/news01 (http://www.wilcoxrangenews.com/articles/2010/04/01/news01) before Krentz was killed.

So Arizona should be boycotted because its people would like to keep it safe? Somebody please explain the logic of that for me. It doesn't take a bullet from a drug runner's gun to make those of us down here near the border understand that this is drug-related violence -- and Rob's death proves it.

It also doesn't take much more reading to see that the drug dealers are a huge problem with far-reaching capabilities. On April 27, 2010, a large drug bust took place here in Cochise County. Among those arrested was Angelica Marie Borquez the secretary for the Drug Enforcement Division of the Cochise County Attorney office. Allegedly, Ms. Borquez was tipping off the drug runners to counter drug operations conducted by the county. She was so bold that she used the phone in the County Attorney's office to make some of her calls.

This isn't a blatant effort by drug cartels to obtain control here in America?

Many have already called Arizona residents racists. They are concerned that police will profile Hispanics and disproportionally harass them. But we understand something others in Washington, D.C. and San Francisco don't seem to remember -- we border Mexico. The fact is that most illegal immigrants coming across the border here are, well, Mexicans. Those of us down here facing the danger every day really don't care what some Hollywood actor has to say about the issue. Nor do we care about what the Colombian government or the Latino music community thinks of it. We just want to stay safe.

This is not about race; it's about facts. Use a few of these facts the next time somebody wants to engage you in discussion about the border. Tell him you learned these things from somebody who can see Mexico from his front porch.

T.J. Woodard is a retired Army officer who lives less than ten miles from the Mexican border. He carries a pistol even in his own house in order to be prepared to defend his family whenever necessary.

gmhr1
05-06-2010, 04:41 PM
Its not even safe to train our dogs in a field we used for years its close to the river which is where alot of illegals come across. The last time we were out the border patrol helicopters came over our heads as a group were coming out of the river. Its bad very bad Maybe instead of boycotting us these Cities should open their arms and invite all the illegals to their State.

dback
05-06-2010, 06:55 PM
Kind of makes you want to question this guys story. And kind of makes you want to question her reasoning skills for using that guy as anecdotal evidence.

I love it....another 'expert' that is...how many miles away from Nogales????? and never even heard of Arivaca :rolleyes: let alone how to pronounce it.

david gibson
05-06-2010, 08:01 PM
Sorry no real horse in this race as our immigrant problems deal more with people trying to claim refuge status to abuse our social programs, but this jumped out at me.


"In the last two years he has found 17 dead bodies and two Koran bibles."


Wiki - Official data estimates in the 2008 census show that there are 25,000 Muslims in Mexico representing % 0.02 percent of the total population.

Kind of makes you want to question this guys story. And kind of makes you want to question her reasoning skills for using that guy as anecdotal evidence.

what makes you think that Muslim mexicans are the only ones that would want to cross? i find it very easy to believe sleeper cells of terrorists here are coming in part across mexico. the look mexican so blend in, and the porosity of our border is widely publicized. we already know some have come from the canadian border, almost a given from mexico as well....

Koolaid
05-06-2010, 08:13 PM
I love it....another 'expert' that is...how many miles away from Nogales????? and never even heard of Arivaca :rolleyes: lot alone how to pronounce it.

I claimed to be an expert on nothing. It just is an odd leading point. Unless you want to tell me that either of these places have large Muslim Mexican populations and are located on the border. If so, then I guess you win.

DG - Has there been evidence of this? Just curious cause it does seem like a fairly effective way to get into the country unnoticed. For some reason I just don't picture Mexicans and Muslims cooperating, where as up here I'm pretty sure our Muslim pop is pushing 1% and we've had a couple homegrown terrorist problems of our own. But hey, if you're willing to die for your cause, I'm sure you'd be willing to sneak in Mexican style.

dback
05-06-2010, 09:34 PM
I claimed to be an expert on nothing. We agree on something It just is an odd leading point. Unless you want to tell me that either of these places have large Muslim Mexican populations and are located on the border. If so, then I guess you win.

Bwaaaahahahahahaha.......so, by your reasoning .02% of 17 bodies = .0034% of a Koran???? Whose reasoning is flawed? :rolleyes:

Next time do your own research.... www.islamicpopulation.com/America/South%20America/Muslim%20South%20America.html While the main language in Suriname is Dutch.....both Guyana and Suriname speak a great deal of English and Spanish....now take a look at a map of North, Central and South Americas (google it if you don't have one), you may observe a land mass connecting North & South....that's called (oddly enough) Central America. Dudes stroll up through those parts daily on their way to North America passing through a place near and dear to my heart called....Arizona. Former Arizona Governor and current Home Land Security Secretary Janet Napolitano has made double darn sure not to stop that flow of 'dudes' as it may cause a 'stir' (or worse yet, Canadians to comment on our plight). Last week I took a flight to California...young man next to me didn't speak a lick of english. He described to me in detail how his mother had left Cuba, gone to Peru and spent a year making her way to America (through Arizona). Upon arrival she processed his papers and in short order ...voila.... (very nice young man)

Oh....and by the way.....I watch the nightly news on Spanish Language. There's this ole boy name of Hugo Chavez.....just 'rails' on the US on a near daily basis....threatens us with all sorts of nasty shit. If you've still got that map...check out where Guyana and ole Hugo reside. Curious huh?

Koolaid
05-07-2010, 05:49 AM
Every time putting words in my mouth. Not only do I not care about Arizona immigration, but after reading stories about it I actually agree with the new law. But hey, we're just here to start fights aren't we?

road kill
05-07-2010, 07:35 AM
Every time putting words in my mouth. Not only do I not care about Arizona immigration, but after reading stories about it I actually agree with the new law. But hey, we're just here to start fights aren't we?
It's not a "new" law.

It's the Feds responsibility to protect the border, but they are to busy......



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Uncle Bill
05-07-2010, 10:13 AM
Gotta love those with that "We are a nation of immigrants...open borders for all" attitudes. Haven't a clue that what was inscribed on the Statute of Liberty was based on 'yesterday'. Some of you don't recall that part of history? Let me refresh your thinking with this quote from a REAL Teddy:

'In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language.. And we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.'
Theodore Roosevelt 1907


There is NO room for any other form of immigration.

UB

duckheads
05-07-2010, 11:02 AM
Doesn't get much clearer than that! We need our politicians to step up and follow Teddy's words of wisdom!

Something that doesn't get brought up much is that fact that these illegals are not immunized and are bringing some nasty deseases with them.

gmhr1
05-07-2010, 11:39 AM
On the news they had an honor student who is an illegal immigrant crying that her skin color is not a crime, NO but your an illegal and it is illegal to be illegal always has been! We used to go into Mexico and only show a drivers license to cross back into the State than about a year ago everybody had to spent $130 to buy a passport, we have to show it and declare our citizenship to get into the US, Just leaving Yuma to go to Phoenix we have to go through the Border Patrol station where we are stopped and asked our citizenship. Thats the law.

dback
05-07-2010, 09:33 PM
LMAO!!!!!


Every time putting words in my mouth. Not only do I not care about Arizona immigration, but after reading stories about it I actually agree with the new law. But hey, we're just here to start fights aren't we?

Ahhh...These words? Where you reference a census to support your statement that would have absolutely zero relevance as to whether or not two Korans were discovered in the Arizona desert?


Sorry no real horse in this race as our immigrant problems deal more with people trying to claim refuge status to abuse our social programs, but this jumped out at me.


"In the last two years he has found 17 dead bodies and two Koran bibles."


Wiki - Official data estimates in the 2008 census show that there are 25,000 Muslims in Mexico representing % 0.02 percent of the total population.

Or...maybe these words where you dismiss the words of an Arizona rancher and a concerned State Senator while pecking away on a keyboard some 4220 KW to the north and east of the site in question (kw for your benefit). Odds are you have never been to Arizona, didn't know where it was until recently, don't know Senator Allen, never stepped foot on a 'border' ranch and couldn't name a single 'border' rancher except Robert Krentz.


Kind of makes you want to question this guys story. And kind of makes you want to question her reasoning skills for using that guy as anecdotal evidence.

I am under the impression that Canada has a pretty decent educational system...."Kind of makes" me think you ain't exactly the 'pick of the Canadian litter'

Koolaid
05-07-2010, 09:41 PM
Well you know...top of my class from primary through to university, but w/e.
Yes I've been to Arizona. Not that it matters...I wasn't even saying anything in relation to the law or immigration...
I still think it's an odd "fact" to reference. The wiki reference was simply me checking if there was any sort of Muslim population in Mexico. There isn't. Sorry?

Could you explain what a KW is to me? Kilowatts? No that would be kW. Hmmmm....If you want to go the route of intelligence insulting you could at least use proper SI measurements.

dback
05-07-2010, 10:17 PM
Well you know...top of my class from primary through to university, but w/e. Must have had the wrong impression about the school system there
Yes I've been to Arizona. Not that it matters...I wasn't even saying anything in relation to the law or immigration... That's right.....you were questioning the seriousness of a problem and the veracity of ranchers and a State Senator (that makes it soooo much better)
I still think it's an odd "fact" to reference. The wiki reference was simply me checking if there was any sort of Muslim population in Mexico. There isn't. Sorry? What could the Muslim population of Mexico possibly have to do with the 'security' risks of a porous border? I personally know 'illegals' that routinely vacation in Michoaca'n, return on foot after five or six days and have NEVER been apprehended by La Migra. Any 'terrorist' with a pulse (well....exclude the dumb ass in NYC) knows they can do the same.

Could you explain what a KW is to me? Kilowatts? No that would be kW. Hmmmm....If you want to go the route of intelligence insulting you could at least use proper SI measurements. I'll be sure and leave it that way.....it'll give you something to occupy your time rather than insulting people you don't know or suggesting that no threat exists simply because you can't relate to it.

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Just for kicks and giggles I decided to add this this morning.... www.google.com/images?hl=en&source=imghp&q=trash+left+by+illegals&btnG=Search+images&gbr=2&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=gs_rfai= Try Cous Deer hunting under those conditions.

david gibson
05-07-2010, 10:32 PM
On the news they had an honor student who is an illegal immigrant crying that her skin color is not a crime, NO but your an illegal and it is illegal to be illegal always has been! We used to go into Mexico and only show a drivers license to cross back into the State than about a year ago everybody had to spent $130 to buy a passport, we have to show it and declare our citizenship to get into the US, Just leaving Yuma to go to Phoenix we have to go through the Border Patrol station where we are stopped and asked our citizenship. Thats the law.

and guess what? in mexico our white skin color is enough to have us suspected of being in that country illegally, and they can profile us to knigdom come.

these idiots just want us to bend over and give them the Vaseline as well. why should they have to provide it?

kjrice
05-08-2010, 06:15 AM
1. The new Arizona law creates a state penalty to mirror what already is a federal crime. Despite the most vile and hate-filled portrayals of proponents of the law as "Nazis," actions that have been condemned nationally by the Anti-Defamation League, it is ALREADY a federal requirement for legal aliens in the United States to carry their green card or other immigration document. The new Arizona law enforces what has been a federal crime since before World War II. As anyone who has traveled abroad knows, other nations have similar laws.


2. Contrary to many of the horror stories being spread -- President Obama suggested families risk being pulled over while going out for ice cream -- law enforcement cannot randomly ask anyone about their immigration status. Much like enforcement of seat belt laws in many states, under SB 1070 there must first be reasonable suspicion that you are breaking some OTHER non-immigration law before an officer can ask a person about their legal status. Only then, after law enforcement officers have a "reasonable suspicion" that another law has been broken, can they inquire about immigration status -- but ONLY if that individual's behavior provides "reasonable suspicion" that the person is here illegally.


"Reasonable suspicion" is a well-understood concept that has been thoroughly vetted through numerous federal court cases. Many have asked: What is reasonable suspicion? Is it race, skin color or national origin? No! Racial profiling is prohibited in the new law. Examples of reasonable suspicion include: a person running away when approached by law enforcement officers, or a car failing to stop when the police turn on their lights and siren.


3. Arizona's local law enforcement officers, who already reflect the great diversity of culture in our state, are going to be trained to enforce the new immigration law in a constitutional manner. It is shameful and presumptive for opponents to question the good will and the competence of Arizona's law enforcement personnel. The specter that is raised of rogue, racist police harassing people is insulting to those in Arizona who risk their lives in the name of law enforcement every day.

Well said!

The first person that should be asked is the dude on Kitchen Nightmares that was putting carrots in a caesar salad.

Gerry Clinchy
05-08-2010, 06:28 AM
You would be correct, Dave, that the email is not verbatim from TR in one speech. However, according to Snopes, he voiced those sentiments on more than one occasion.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/troosevelt.asp

dback
05-08-2010, 07:41 AM
Nice timing................

Two of my employees were pulled over by Border Patrol last night in a remote area of southern Arizona while driving two company vehicles (they were driving together). No violation of any type...just wanted to know what they were doing, I don't know if Migra knew they were of Latin descent or not prior to the stop. Feds are allowed to do that.....State LEO are not, yet the State "are Nazis" :rolleyes: go figure. The 'stop' doesn't bother me at all.....the uneducated reaction by some to the law does.

david gibson
05-08-2010, 09:04 AM
Nice timing................

Two of my employees were pulled over by Border Patrol last night in a remote area of southern Arizona while driving two company vehicles (they were driving together). No violation of any type...just wanted to know what they were doing, I don't know if Migra knew they were of Latin descent or not prior to the stop. Feds are allowed to do that.....State LEO are not, yet the State "are Nazis" :rolleyes: go figure. The 'stop' doesn't bother me at all.....the uneducated reaction by some to the law does.

"company vehicles" sounds like vans maybe? 2 together in a remote area would look suspicious to BP

dback
05-08-2010, 09:20 AM
"company vehicles" sounds like vans maybe? 2 together in a remote area would look suspicious to BP

Flatbeds....product on board and each towing a forklift.......again....I don't in any way mind the stop, in fact encourage it.

One grower friend of mine likes to drive erratic, high rates of speed on dirt roads with younger, inexperienced BP in hot pursuit just for the 'entertainment' value. Doesn't take much to amuse us out here. :shock:

kjrice
05-11-2010, 03:02 PM
"company vehicles" sounds like vans maybe? 2 together in a remote area would look suspicious to BP

I told Larry to upgrade his work vehicles since his workers keep getting pulled over.

http://images.paraorkut.com/img/funnypics/images/c/cow_pulls_truck-12051.jpg

gman0046
05-11-2010, 03:20 PM
Just what this country needs is more Canadians like Koolaid to tell us how to run our country. What makes him think it was Mexicans who left the Korans??? Just what doesn't Koolaid understand about Illegal Aliens? Illegal is Illegal. It's too bad the Clown in the White House doesn't take on the immigration problem. Then again many Americans are not to sure about his immigration status.

Uncle Bill
05-11-2010, 05:14 PM
Yo Dback et al...See if you can get a campaign up to promote immigration to the way the folks from the south want it. If it's good enough for their homeland, it should be good enough for us eh?

UB

New Immigration Laws:





1 There will be no special bilingual programs in the schools.






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2. All ballots will be in this nation's language.





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3. All government business will be conducted in our language.



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4. Non-residents will NOT have the right to vote no matter how long they are here.



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5. Non-citizens will NEVER be able to hold political office



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6 Foreigners will not be a burden to the taxpayers. No welfare, no food stamps, no health care, or other government assistance programs. Any person who is a burden will be deported.



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7. Foreigners can invest in this country, but it m ust be an amount at least equal to 40,000 times the daily minimum wage.



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8. If foreigners come here and buy land... their options will be restricted. Certain parcels including waterfront property are reserved for citizens naturally born into this country.



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9.. Foreigners may have no protests; no demonstrations, no waving of a foreign flag, no political organizing, no bad-mouthing our president or his policies. These will lead to deportation.



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10. If you do come to this country illegally, you will be actively hunted &, when caught, sent to jail until your deportation can be arranged. All assets will be taken from you.



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Too strict?......



The above laws are the current immigration laws of MEXICO !!!



These sound fine to me, NOW, how can we get these laws to be America 's immigration laws??

Koolaid
05-11-2010, 06:49 PM
Just what this country needs is more Canadians like Koolaid to tell us how to run our country. What makes him think it was Mexicans who left the Korans??? Just what doesn't Koolaid understand about Illegal Aliens? Illegal is Illegal. It's too bad the Clown in the White House doesn't take on the immigration problem. Then again many Americans are not to sure about his immigration status.

I fail to see where I told you how to run your country? YGBSM? Amidoinitrite?

You can also go ahead and notice that I don't comment on "this country" because of foreseen reactions like this.

dback
05-11-2010, 07:04 PM
I told Larry to upgrade his work vehicles since his workers keep getting pulled over.

http://images.paraorkut.com/img/funnypics/images/c/cow_pulls_truck-12051.jpg

That goofy smile of yours and your constant whining about company equipment are precisely why I had to let you go.....besides......I only have two rigs left in that particular configuration. :-) :-) :-)

aandw
05-12-2010, 12:28 PM
I fail to see where I told you how to run your country? YGBSM? Amidoinitrite?

You can also go ahead and notice that I don't comment on "this country" because of foreseen reactions like this.

what does "YGBSM" stand for?

gman0046
05-12-2010, 04:23 PM
Ask someone who's been in the Military. They can tell you what YGBSM means.

Uncle Bill
05-12-2010, 04:28 PM
This hardly needs any heading from me. UB

HATS OFF TO CHARLIE DANIELS....AT LEAST HE HAS THE COURAGE TO SPEAK HIS MIND!!!



I don't know how everybody else feels about it, but to me I think Hispanic people in this country, legally or illegally, made a huge public relations mistake with their recent demonstrations.

I don't blame anybody in the world for wanting to come to the United States of America , as it is a truly wonderful place.

But when the first thing you do when you set foot on American soil is illegal it is flat out wrong and I don't care how many lala land left heads come out of the woodwork and start trying to give me sensitivity lessons.

I don't need sensitivity lessons, in fact I don't have any-thing against Mexicans! I just have something against criminals and anybody who comes into this country illegally is a criminal and if you don't believe it try coming into America from a foreign country without a passport and see how far you get. What disturbs me about the demonstrations is that it's tanta-mount to saying, "I am going to come into your country even if it means breaking your laws and there's nothing you can do about it."

It's an "in your face" action and speaking just for me, I don't like it one little bit and if there were a half dozen pairs of gonads in Washington bigger than English peas it wouldn't be happening.

Where are you, you bunch of lily livered, pantywaist, forked tongued, sorry excuses for defenders of The Constitution? Have you been drinking the water out of the Potomac again? And even if you pass a bill on immigration it will probably be so pork laden and watered down that it won't mean anything anyway Besides, what good is another law going to do when you won't enforce the ones on the books now?

And what ever happened to the polls, guys? I thought you folks were the quintessential finger wetters. Well you sure ain't paying any attention to the polls this time because somewhere around eighty percent of Americans want some thing done about this mess, and mess it is and getting bigger everyday.

This is no longer a problem, it is a dilemma and headed for being a tragedy. Do you honestly think that what happened in France with the Muslims can't happen here when the businesses who hire these people finally run out of jobs and a few million disillusioned Hispanics take to the streets?

If you, Mr. President, Congressmen and Senators, knuckle under on this and refuse to do something meaningful it means that you care nothing for the kind of country your children and grand-children will inherit. But I guess that doesn't matter as long as you get re-elected. Shame on you. One of the big problems in America today is that if you have the nerve to say anything derogatory about any group of people (except Christians) you are going to be screamed at by the media and called a racist, a bigot and anything else they can think of to call you

Well I've been pounded by the media before and I'm still rockin' and rollin' and when it comes to speaking the truth I fear not.
And the truth is that the gutless, gonadless, milksop politicians are just about to sell out the United States of America because they don't have the intestinal fortitude to stand up to face reality.

And reality is that we would never allow any other group of people to have 12 million illegal in this country and turn around and say, "Oh it's ok, ya'll can stay here if you'll just allow us to slap your wrist."

And I know that some of you who read this column are saying "Well what's wrong with that?" I'll tell you what's wrong with it. These people could be from Mars as far as we know. We don't know who they are, where they are or what they're up to and the way the Congress is going we're not going to.

Does this make sense? Labor force you say? We already subsidize corporate agriculture as it is, must we subsidize their labor as well? If these people were from Haiti would we be so fast to turn a blind eye to them or if they were from Somalia or Afghanistan? I think not.

All the media shows us are pictures of hard working Hispanics who have crossed the border just to try to better their life.
They don't show you pictures of the Feds rounding up members of MS 13, the violent gang who came across the same way the decent folks did. They don't tell you about the living conditions of the Mexican illegal some fat cat hired to pick his crop.

I want to make two predictions.

No. 1: This situation is going to grow and fester until it erupts in violence on our streets while the wimps in Washington drag their toes in the dirt and try to figure how many tons of political hay they can make to the acre.

No 2: Somebody is going to cross that border with some kind of weapon of mass destruction and set it off in a major American city after which there will be a backlash such as this country has never experienced and the Capitol building in Washington will probably tilt as Congressmen and Senators rush to the other side of the issue.




I don't know about you but I would love to see just one major politician stand up and say, "I don't care who I make mad and I don't care how many votes I lose, this is a desperate situation and I'm going to lead the fight to get it straightened out." I don't blame anybody for wanting to come to America , but if you don't respect our immigration laws why should you respect any others? And by the way, this is America and our flag has stars and stripes Please get that other one out of my face.

God Bless America
Charlie Daniels

JDogger
05-12-2010, 11:28 PM
OK... OK

I thought entertainers were supposed to just remain entertainers.

Hollywood types, ie; Sean Penn, Alec Baldwin, Dixie Chicks, Susan Sarandon, Et al, were just to keep their pie-holes shut...!

But... if some other entertainer says something I like! Well then, let's blast it to the internet.

Hypocrisy knows no bounds, regards, JD

aandw
05-13-2010, 07:09 AM
This hardly needs any heading from me. UB

HATS OFF TO CHARLIE DANIELS....AT LEAST HE HAS THE COURAGE TO SPEAK HIS MIND!!!



I don't know how everybody else feels about it, but to me I think Hispanic people in this country, legally or illegally, made a huge public relations mistake with their recent demonstrations.

I don't blame anybody in the world for wanting to come to the United States of America , as it is a truly wonderful place.

But when the first thing you do when you set foot on American soil is illegal it is flat out wrong and I don't care how many lala land left heads come out of the woodwork and start trying to give me sensitivity lessons.

I don't need sensitivity lessons, in fact I don't have any-thing against Mexicans! I just have something against criminals and anybody who comes into this country illegally is a criminal and if you don't believe it try coming into America from a foreign country without a passport and see how far you get. What disturbs me about the demonstrations is that it's tanta-mount to saying, "I am going to come into your country even if it means breaking your laws and there's nothing you can do about it."

It's an "in your face" action and speaking just for me, I don't like it one little bit and if there were a half dozen pairs of gonads in Washington bigger than English peas it wouldn't be happening.

Where are you, you bunch of lily livered, pantywaist, forked tongued, sorry excuses for defenders of The Constitution? Have you been drinking the water out of the Potomac again? And even if you pass a bill on immigration it will probably be so pork laden and watered down that it won't mean anything anyway Besides, what good is another law going to do when you won't enforce the ones on the books now?

And what ever happened to the polls, guys? I thought you folks were the quintessential finger wetters. Well you sure ain't paying any attention to the polls this time because somewhere around eighty percent of Americans want some thing done about this mess, and mess it is and getting bigger everyday.

This is no longer a problem, it is a dilemma and headed for being a tragedy. Do you honestly think that what happened in France with the Muslims can't happen here when the businesses who hire these people finally run out of jobs and a few million disillusioned Hispanics take to the streets?

If you, Mr. President, Congressmen and Senators, knuckle under on this and refuse to do something meaningful it means that you care nothing for the kind of country your children and grand-children will inherit. But I guess that doesn't matter as long as you get re-elected. Shame on you. One of the big problems in America today is that if you have the nerve to say anything derogatory about any group of people (except Christians) you are going to be screamed at by the media and called a racist, a bigot and anything else they can think of to call you

Well I've been pounded by the media before and I'm still rockin' and rollin' and when it comes to speaking the truth I fear not.
And the truth is that the gutless, gonadless, milksop politicians are just about to sell out the United States of America because they don't have the intestinal fortitude to stand up to face reality.

And reality is that we would never allow any other group of people to have 12 million illegal in this country and turn around and say, "Oh it's ok, ya'll can stay here if you'll just allow us to slap your wrist."

And I know that some of you who read this column are saying "Well what's wrong with that?" I'll tell you what's wrong with it. These people could be from Mars as far as we know. We don't know who they are, where they are or what they're up to and the way the Congress is going we're not going to.

Does this make sense? Labor force you say? We already subsidize corporate agriculture as it is, must we subsidize their labor as well? If these people were from Haiti would we be so fast to turn a blind eye to them or if they were from Somalia or Afghanistan? I think not.

All the media shows us are pictures of hard working Hispanics who have crossed the border just to try to better their life.
They don't show you pictures of the Feds rounding up members of MS 13, the violent gang who came across the same way the decent folks did. They don't tell you about the living conditions of the Mexican illegal some fat cat hired to pick his crop.

I want to make two predictions.

No. 1: This situation is going to grow and fester until it erupts in violence on our streets while the wimps in Washington drag their toes in the dirt and try to figure how many tons of political hay they can make to the acre.

No 2: Somebody is going to cross that border with some kind of weapon of mass destruction and set it off in a major American city after which there will be a backlash such as this country has never experienced and the Capitol building in Washington will probably tilt as Congressmen and Senators rush to the other side of the issue.




I don't know about you but I would love to see just one major politician stand up and say, "I don't care who I make mad and I don't care how many votes I lose, this is a desperate situation and I'm going to lead the fight to get it straightened out." I don't blame anybody for wanting to come to America , but if you don't respect our immigration laws why should you respect any others? And by the way, this is America and our flag has stars and stripes Please get that other one out of my face.

God Bless America
Charlie Daniels



good post. this could be a situation where a conservative could get a big jump towards 2012. if only one of them had "gonads bigger than english peas".

david gibson
05-13-2010, 08:20 AM
OK... OK

I thought entertainers were supposed to just remain entertainers.

Hollywood types, ie; Sean Penn, Alec Baldwin, Dixie Chicks, Susan Sarandon, Et al, were just to keep their pie-holes shut...!

But... if some other entertainer says something I like! Well then, let's blast it to the internet.

Hypocrisy knows no bounds, regards, JD


hmmmm...lets see, entertainers that pal around socialists that vow to destroy the US, that support the most heinous death row murderers in the nation, vs entertainers that are patriotic and support our freedoms and our veterans that fought and died and are now risking their lives for those same freedoms.

i wouldnt expect you to see the difference....

dback
05-13-2010, 06:13 PM
If you don't have the 'nads' to support Arizona then I guess I'll hope these folks are coming to your town soon cause I don't think they're coming here to 'wait on old frail Arizonans'

www.wsbtv.com/video/23438021/index.html
www.wsbtv.com/video/23438712/index.html

EDIT: I'm thinkin'..... ooooh.... maybe where ever the GOP takes it's 2012 convention or MLB takes it's All-Star game. Keep playing politics rather than enforce current laws and we'll all get to (well.. some of us at least) point lots of fingers, after the fact.

Golddogs
05-13-2010, 06:49 PM
OK... OK

I thought entertainers were supposed to just remain entertainers.

Hollywood types, ie; Sean Penn, Alec Baldwin, Dixie Chicks, Susan Sarandon, Et al, were just to keep their pie-holes shut...!

But... if some other entertainer says something I like! Well then, let's blast it to the internet.

Hypocrisy knows no bounds, regards, JD
While you may feel the messenger is in the wrong profession, what his words have to say should be of more importance to you and any person who claims to love his/her country.

This is a question of right and wrong with no gray area regardless of what country you sneak into America from illegally.

My Great Grandparents came here from Denmark and the UK LEGALLY. I expect others to do the same.

Show some balls in Washington Regards

M&K's Retrievers
05-13-2010, 06:56 PM
obama's AG Holder admitted today that he has not even read Arizona's new law but that hasn't stopped him from being critical of it. What a nimrod.

JDogger
05-13-2010, 09:05 PM
hmmmm...lets see, entertainers that pal around socialists that vow to destroy the US, that support the most heinous death row murderers in the nation, vs entertainers that are patriotic and support our freedoms and our veterans that fought and died and are now risking their lives for those same freedoms.

i wouldnt expect you to see the difference....

Entertainers as a group, enjoy the same freedoms of speech, association and political philosophy as do we all. Whether we agree with them or not.

I wouldn't expect you to see that as well....

JD

JDogger
05-13-2010, 09:06 PM
obama's AG Holder admitted today that he has not even read Arizona's new law but that hasn't stopped him from being critical of it. What a nimrod.

I'm not sure if you mean to insult Bill, AKA "Nimrod", an Irish contributor who posts here on RTF occassionally, but not to my knowledge on PP.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nimrod

1. A mighty hunter. Now chiefly used in this sense outside the United States.
2. A slow-witted person.

Nimrod was the Biblical founder of Babylon, also considered a mighty hunter. Contrary to the uneducated twits on here, Nimrod did NOT build the tower of Babel (at least the Bible does not claim this, only that the "men of Babylon" tried to build it), and the Bible does NOT claim he tried to kill God.

The Bible ONLY mentions that Nimrod was a son of Cush, the founder of Babylon, and a mighty hunter. Curiously enough, Dictionary.com attests definition 2 to have derived from a Looney Toons episode, wherein Bugs Bunny mocks his adversary, the hunter Elmer Fudd, calling him a "poor little Nimrod". Warner Brothers' Looney Toons cartoons were not written for children, but for literate adults, and often contained literary references children would not understand. Younger generations, mostly illiterate, and having little or no Bible knowledge not gleaned from their moronic parents and half-wit talk radio hosts, probably misunderstood the comment as being a general insult describing the slow-witted Fudd.

I'm sure Bill chose his call-name by the definition 1-1 not 1-2. If you open the link, also see definitions 2 and 3. I don't think he was refering to those either, although I can not be sure

Just trying to keep the waters clear regards, :p

JD

M&K's Retrievers
05-13-2010, 09:19 PM
I'm not sure if you mean to insult Bill, AKA "Nimrod", an Irish contributor who posts here on RTF occassionally, but not to my knowledge on PP.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nimrod

1. A mighty hunter. Now chiefly used in this sense outside the United States.
2. A slow-witted person.

Nimrod was the Biblical founder of Babylon, also considered a mighty hunter. Contrary to the uneducated twits on here, Nimrod did NOT build the tower of Babel (at least the Bible does not claim this, only that the "men of Babylon" tried to build it), and the Bible does NOT claim he tried to kill God.

The Bible ONLY mentions that Nimrod was a son of Cush, the founder of Babylon, and a mighty hunter. Curiously enough, Dictionary.com attests definition 2 to have derived from a Looney Toons episode, wherein Bugs Bunny mocks his adversary, the hunter Elmer Fudd, calling him a "poor little Nimrod". Warner Brothers' Looney Toons cartoons were not written for children, but for literate adults, and often contained literary references children would not understand. Younger generations, mostly illiterate, and having little or no Bible knowledge not gleaned from their moronic parents and half-wit talk radio hosts, probably misunderstood the comment as being a general insult describing the slow-witted Fudd.

I'm sure Bill chose his call-name by the definition 1-1 not 1-2. If you open the link, also see definitions 2 and 3. I don't think he was refering to those either, although I can not be sure

Just trying to keep the waters clear regards, :p

JD

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. Oh! #2

JDogger
05-13-2010, 09:24 PM
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. Oh! #2

Well...you should know...Que no? JD

Hew
05-13-2010, 11:25 PM
I'm not sure if you mean to insult Bill, AKA "Nimrod", an Irish contributor who posts here on RTF occassionally, but not to my knowledge on PP.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nimrod

1. A mighty hunter. Now chiefly used in this sense outside the United States.
2. A slow-witted person.

Nimrod was the Biblical founder of Babylon, also considered a mighty hunter. Contrary to the uneducated twits on here, Nimrod did NOT build the tower of Babel (at least the Bible does not claim this, only that the "men of Babylon" tried to build it), and the Bible does NOT claim he tried to kill God.

The Bible ONLY mentions that Nimrod was a son of Cush, the founder of Babylon, and a mighty hunter. Curiously enough, Dictionary.com attests definition 2 to have derived from a Looney Toons episode, wherein Bugs Bunny mocks his adversary, the hunter Elmer Fudd, calling him a "poor little Nimrod". Warner Brothers' Looney Toons cartoons were not written for children, but for literate adults, and often contained literary references children would not understand. Younger generations, mostly illiterate, and having little or no Bible knowledge not gleaned from their moronic parents and half-wit talk radio hosts, probably misunderstood the comment as being a general insult describing the slow-witted Fudd.

I'm sure Bill chose his call-name by the definition 1-1 not 1-2. If you open the link, also see definitions 2 and 3. I don't think he was refering to those either, although I can not be sure

Just trying to keep the waters clear regards, :p

JD
That makes me want to cry. That's 20 minutes of your life that you're never going to get back.

JDogger
05-13-2010, 11:34 PM
That makes me want to cry. That's 20 minutes of your life that you're never going to get back.

Every minute we spend on PP is one we're not going to get back. You're right there with me Bro. ;-)
...and it's two hours earlier here, and I don't get up as early as you.
JD

Gerry Clinchy
05-15-2010, 10:40 AM
NY Times today
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/15/us/15student.html?th&emc=th

This story would indicate that local law enforcement can enforce Federal immigration laws.


Under a program by the Department of Homeland Security (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/h/homeland_security_department/index.html?inline=nyt-org), known as 287(g), local sheriffs are permitted to handle federal immigration law enforcement. The Cobb County sheriff’s office was the first in Georgia and one of the first in the United States to apply for the program. Immigration is a hot topic in the largely conservative county, where Hispanics make up 11 percent of the population, census figures show.


Ms. Colotl was arrested in March for driving without a license and could face deportation next year. On Wednesday the sheriff filed a felony charge against her for providing a false address to the police.


In Georgia, the case has become intensely political. Ms. Colotl received in-state tuition, substantially reducing her cost of attending Kennesaw State. The university will charge her out-of-state rates in the future,


One Republican candidate for governor, Eric Johnson, has said that if elected he will mandate that all college applicants demonstrate their citizenship. The chancellor of the state university system says that would be prohibitively expensive, costing $1.5 million, for roughly 300,000 students.

Evidently, she was stopped for "impeding traffic flow", and then presented an expired Mexican passport but had no driver's license.