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Dave Flint
05-06-2010, 10:43 PM
SWAT team breaks into home, fires seven rounds at family's pit bull and corgi (?!) as a seven-year-old looks on.
They found a "small amount" of marijuana, enough for a misdemeanor charge. The parents were then charged with child endangerment.
So smoking pot = "child endangerment." Storming a home with guns, then firing bullets into the family pets as a child looks on = necessary police procedures to ensure everyone's safety.


http://reason.com/blog/2010/05/05/video-of-swat-raid-on-missouri

dnf777
05-06-2010, 11:01 PM
Yeah, its a shame. Someone nearly detonates a car bomb (saved only by his stupidity) in NYC, and cops are raiding people's homes for personal stashes. That family now has legal bills to wipe out their savings, possible job loss, and home loss to look forward to. Thank you, Mr. Swat team. I'll sleep safer tonite because of that raid.

Terry Britton
05-06-2010, 11:14 PM
Thinking outside the box since what we do currently isn't working, and repeating the same thing over and over expecting different results is the definition of insanity:

The police should be charged with unsafe handling of firearms around minors. Has anyone given them a drug test lately? You would think they would at least have someone armed with one of those dog catching poles to take care of animals in a safe manner to themselves and kids hanging around.

The way that crew acted along with recent history of other outfits trying to drum up busts to prove their jobs, I would wonder if they would pass a test themselves. THey need to concentrate on keeping the drugs from coming in the country, and rewarding them for keeping people off of drugs rather than rewarding them for arressts. It goes back to basic management of show me how a man is rewarded and I will show you how he will perform.

Here is a local case of someone generating business on both ends:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f3b_1270975135

My solution would be to tie an arresting officer to the person they arrested for a period of probation. Have a big reward for the arresting officer if the drug adict makes it through probation, and another reward if the adict proves clean 5 years out of probation. The probation would consist of 6 am drills with the officer also participating with 3 mile runs, 60 sixy yard dashes, push ups, ect, along with weight training sessions from midnight to whenever in the morning. Then the adict being escorted to their job since they are already up, and had to get up too early to think about partying the night before.

This method works well for college baseball teams where a coach is rewarded with a performing non partying bunch of guys that stay out of trouble because they are too busy with school, practice, or working out. The coach gets a bonus for the performance during the season.

The bonuses would come from diverting money from what society would have spent on prison time along with attorneys for the adicts. Also, the profession would attract a lot of high quality individuals if they are rewarded a percentage of the cost of incarceration at 100K per year to their own pockets for being successful. Under this proposed system, you could see a real solution to drug adicts while seeing millionaire law enforcement officers and corporate prissons getting rich off of tax payers losing revenue.

Rob Paye
05-06-2010, 11:14 PM
They wouldn't have been there without a reason to be !! Pot is illegal, right. Caught in the cross fire regards

Terry Britton
05-06-2010, 11:15 PM
They wouldn't have been there without a reason to be !! Pot is illegal, right. Caught in the cross fire regards

But according to Jesse Ventura, the pot was probably brought in and dealt by our own government to begin with.

Troy B
05-06-2010, 11:23 PM
Pretty easy to play armchair quarterback with the only information being from a self serving website blog. Outside of the video footage what do any of you know about the situation.

Tactical teams are used for laughs and giggles, there are guidelines for when they can be used. Search warrants aren't handed out by Walmart greeters, there are guidelines for those as well. When those guidelines aren't followed there are followed there are consequences for the actions. There was a reason that a search warrant was served on the place/people, there was a reason that a tactical team was used and there was a reason the dog or dogs were shot. Bad people have kids and own dogs too. I can't say that this is the case in this situation as there's not enough information but generally people make poor decisions - smoking/possessing pot - in front of or around their children that put them in the situation they are in.

Possessing or smoking pot or other drugs in front of or around your children is child abuse/endangerment in most states. If you don't like the law get it changed, untill then it is what it is.

Terry Britton
05-06-2010, 11:44 PM
Pretty easy to play armchair quarterback with the only information being from a self serving website blog. Outside of the video footage what do any of you know about the situation.



Exactly. Playing armchair QB, I have watched my hometown be decimated by ICE/Meth over the past several years to find out that the drugs were being brought in by an illegal criminal from Mexico who had been busted 4 times before. The DEA/ATF and so forth had the ring under watch for several years before the bust as more kids were getting pulled into the poison. They made the bust last fall which was one of OK's largest busts with over 70 people being busted. If they had hung the head dealer the first time for espionage charges or something similiar, there wouldn't have been so many people hooked.

Then to find out that the ATF working around here were dealing, and framing people themselves just makes me sick and not too trusting of the current system.

badbullgator
05-07-2010, 06:41 AM
They wouldn't have been there without a reason to be !! Pot is illegal, right. Caught in the cross fire regards

So is jay walking what is your point.

Troy B
05-07-2010, 08:34 AM
So is jay walking what is your point.

Apples and oranges.



Exactly. Playing armchair QB, I have watched my hometown be decimated by ICE/Meth over the past several years to find out that the drugs were being brought in by an illegal criminal from Mexico who had been busted 4 times before. The DEA/ATF and so forth had the ring under watch for several years before the bust as more kids were getting pulled into the poison. They made the bust last fall which was one of OK's largest busts with over 70 people being busted. If they had hung the head dealer the first time for espionage charges or something similiar, there wouldn't have been so many people hooked.

Then to find out that the ATF working around here were dealing, and framing people themselves just makes me sick and not too trusting of the current system.

I don't see what the original issue and the meth problem not only in Tulsa but nationwide have to do with each other. There is a huge difference in knowing that someone or a group are doing something and being able to prove it, don't you watch Law and Order,lol.

badbullgator
05-07-2010, 09:01 AM
Apples and oranges.
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Not really, are you alos suggesting shooting pot smokers? Jay walkers?

Buzz
05-07-2010, 09:05 AM
Pretty easy to play armchair quarterback with the only information being from a self serving website blog. Outside of the video footage what do any of you know about the situation.

Tactical teams are used for laughs and giggles, there are guidelines for when they can be used. Search warrants aren't handed out by Walmart greeters, there are guidelines for those as well.

Possessing or smoking pot or other drugs in front of or around your children is child abuse/endangerment in most states. If you don't like the law get it changed, untill then it is what it is.

I worked with a guy back in the 80s who had a swat team break into his house. He too had kids and animals. They searched his house and found a couple of roaches, not the crawling type. They wrote him up for it and he went to court, didn't lose his job.

Before it was all said and done, they had asked for and received a warrant for the wrong address. The party they were interested in lived a couple blocks away.

What makes you think that because they had marijuana that they smoked it in front of or around their kids?:confused:

Franco
05-07-2010, 09:30 AM
That video will help get MJ decriminalized nationally! The American Gestopo is exactly what it is. Whoever ordered that raid face prosecution.

Booze and cigerettes are more harmful than MJ. Yet, it is perfectly legal to drink and smoke cigerettes in front of minors!

With Washington DC voting for Decriminalization, with California voting for legalization, with Oregon considering adding legalization to their ballot, with 14 states now Decriminalized; one good thing that will come from the Obama Administration will be national decriminalization. Once again making the GOP look Draconian when they attemp to stop it.


http://tv.mpp.org/news/steve-fox-on-the-oreilly-factor/

Troy B
05-07-2010, 09:53 AM
Not really, are you alos suggesting shooting pot smokers? Jay walkers?

Where has anyone in this thread suggested the shooting of pot smokers, you brought jay walkers into the fray. Typical regards.


I worked with a guy back in the 80s who had a swat team break into his house. He too had kids and animals. They searched his house and found a couple of roaches, not the crawling type. They wrote him up for it and he went to court, didn't lose his job.

Before it was all said and done, they had asked for and received a warrant for the wrong address. The party they were interested in lived a couple blocks away.

What makes you think that because they had marijuana that they smoked it in front of or around their kids?:confused:

Mistakes happen, it's human nature. I would imagine today, if not then as well, he was compensated for the mistake and those who caused it disciplined.

Untill marijuana is legalized it is illegal to not only smoke it around kids but possess it as well in most states.

Dave Flint
05-07-2010, 10:08 AM
They wouldn't have been there without a reason to be !! Pot is illegal, right. Caught in the cross fire regards


You would've loved Prohibition.

Limited Govt./personal liberty regards

badbullgator
05-07-2010, 10:13 AM
I worked with a guy back in the 80s who had a swat team break into his house. He too had kids and animals. They searched his house and found a couple of roaches, not the crawling type. They wrote him up for it and he went to court, didn't lose his job.

Before it was all said and done, they had asked for and received a warrant for the wrong address. The party they were interested in lived a couple blocks away.

What makes you think that because they had marijuana that they smoked it in front of or around their kids?:confused:

Come on Buzz you know in his eyes anyone who smokes is BAD and must be bad parents and could never be a normal part of society or hold a professional type job, or........

badbullgator
05-07-2010, 10:17 AM
Where has anyone in this thread suggested the shooting of pot smokers, you brought jay walkers into the fray. Typical regards.

Untill marijuana is legalized it is illegal to not only smoke it around kids but possess it as well in most states.

They wouldn't have been there without a reason to be !! Pot is illegal, right. Caught in the cross fire regards

That quote from reddog pretty much sums it up. Seems to me he is suggesting it is alright to shoot them

Crossfire regards

dnf777
05-07-2010, 10:34 AM
Mistakes happen, it's human nature. I would imagine today, if not then as well, he was compensated for the mistake and those who caused it disciplined..

What universe do you live in?
Ask the poor security guard who's life was ruined by the Reno/Justice dept for the Olympic Park bombing! Ask the victoms of "resurfaced memories" of child abuse, that never happened.

And whoever compared meth additction of burning a fatty now and then has no concept of the real world out there. Talk about apples and oranges! I deal with meth addicts whose lives are in the toilet. I WORK with people who smoke the occasional peace pipe, who are fine, outstanding citizens, and the best parents you'd hope to see. Did you say the same about people who broke the law by drinking a cool frosty mug of beer in our grandparents generation?

Hew
05-07-2010, 11:07 AM
The SWAT team didn't show up at the guy's house because they thought he was a casual weed smoker. They believed him to be a dealer sitting on a large quantity. If it turned out that the guy had 10 pounds of weed nobody would have said boo about the SWAT team's actions or the pitbull being killed. Instead, the guy already sold it, hid it or the cops had bad info. Most of the time the cops are right on those types of raid. When the cops make a mistake, often with horrible results, it's "Man Bites Dog" news. The cops are charged with enforcing the laws we as a society have written. If we don't like the laws we should change them; not ask cops to serve as the arbitors of what laws they should enforce and what laws they should ignore. Hate the game, not the playa.

Lucky Seven
05-07-2010, 11:57 AM
SWAT team breaks into home, fires seven rounds at family's pit bull and corgi (?!) as a seven-year-old looks on.
They found a "small amount" of marijuana, enough for a misdemeanor charge. The parents were then charged with child endangerment.
So smoking pot = "child endangerment." Storming a home with guns, then firing bullets into the family pets as a child looks on = necessary police procedures to ensure everyone's safety.


http://reason.com/blog/2010/05/05/video-of-swat-raid-on-missouri

Bet Obama would say that the police acted "stupidly" ....... hahahahahah

duckheads
05-07-2010, 12:05 PM
Better invite the involved parties to the White House for a beer and bud summit!

I'm so wasted regards! (spoken in my best Spicoly sp? voice)

Eric Johnson
05-07-2010, 12:34 PM
Here are some follow-on articles on the Missouri case:

http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2010/may/03/drug-raid-inquiry-is-ongoing/

http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2010/feb/23/family-questions-swat-drug-searc\
h-that-led-to/

Then there's this from just 2 years ago.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/30/AR2008073003299.\
html

Ironically, an update to the Maryland raid and dog killing was released just fifteen days after the Missouri raid. The Mayor and his wife are being allowed to sue the County over the objections of the County.

http://wjz.com/local/cheye.calvo.maryland.2.1524049.html

Also, I've seen various reports, including a report of a press conference by the Chief of Police. One item is that the search warrant was issued 8 days before the raid. This would make the search warrant stale and anything found would likely be inadmissable. His excuse was that the members of the SWAT team all have other duties and it took 8 days to gather them and plan the raid.

A second issue is that the "pit bull" may have been crated. If so, why shoot the dog other than sheer spite and vindictiveness or....panic on the part of the officer that fired the shot. A lot of rumor is going around about crated or not so this issue isn't clear.

Eric

freefall319
05-07-2010, 05:42 PM
The SWAT team didn't show up at the guy's house because they thought he was a casual weed smoker. They believed him to be a dealer sitting on a large quantity. If it turned out that the guy had 10 pounds of weed nobody would have said boo about the SWAT team's actions or the pitbull being killed. Instead, the guy already sold it, hid it or the cops had bad info. Most of the time the cops are right on those types of raid. When the cops make a mistake, often with horrible results, it's "Man Bites Dog" news. The cops are charged with enforcing the laws we as a society have written. If we don't like the laws we should change them; not ask cops to serve as the arbitors of what laws they should enforce and what laws they should ignore. Hate the game, not the playa.

Exactly.

High Risk search warrants are approved by a judge & for a judge to approve it you need substancial cause before most jusdges will risk the lives of those involved to order the search. They just ended up with a dry run or bad info, it happens. Those officer's have a right to be there and a right to defend themselfs from any threat. Rather it's your dog, cat, or lama & can use reasonable force (including deadly force) to neutralize that threat. People complain about the drug problem in our country and then whine even more when the cop's try to do something about it.............pathetic.

Koolaid
05-07-2010, 06:28 PM
People complain about the drug problem in our country and then whine even more when the cop's try to do something about it.............pathetic.

I'm pretty sure you'll find most of the people here who "whine" about drug problems involving marijuana don't want the cops having anything to do with it in the first place. Prohibition creates these situations.

freefall319
05-07-2010, 06:33 PM
I'm pretty sure you'll find most of the people here who "whine" about drug problems involving marijuana don't want the cops having anything to do with it in the first place. Prohibition creates these situations.

Agree'd. It's not the cop's fault that it is illigal. They just have a job to do until/if it is ever leaglized.

I guess we'll go ahead and blame the soldiers for doing thier duty as well, however un-popular it may be..............:rolleyes: