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precisionlabradors
05-10-2010, 11:26 AM
don't know anything about her except she makes my eyes bleed. a true case of eye broccoli
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Eric Johnson
05-10-2010, 11:30 AM
She's got no experience as a judge so there's no way to tell how she'll contribute to the balance of the court.

Chances are she's liberal. If that is the case, it's an even trade...Stevens for Kagan.

Eric

BonMallari
05-10-2010, 11:40 AM
with back to back liberal female nominees the chances of Roe vs Wade ever getting overturned appear slimmer and slimmer..Too early to tell what skeletons are in her closet, but the Republicans are helpless to do anything about it...with a frail Justice Ginsburg it appears that BHO may get 3 nominees to SCOTUS before his short term in office

depittydawg
05-10-2010, 11:55 AM
She's got no experience as a judge so there's no way to tell how she'll contribute to the balance of the court.

Chances are she's liberal. If that is the case, it's an even trade...Stevens for Kagan.

Eric

There seems to be respect for her from both sides of the congressional aisle. She's a New Yorker with Jewish roots. She defends the Unitary Executive nonsense but once clerked for Thurgood Marshall. A long shot guess at this point is about all you can do, but I think she may be in the mold of Sandra Day O Conner. Probably be a good justice.

badbullgator
05-10-2010, 11:59 AM
I know nothing about her but she is BUTT UGLY!
Thats a man baby!

duckheads
05-10-2010, 12:07 PM
I know nothing about her but she is BUTT UGLY!
Thats a man baby!

Thanks! I needed a good laugh. I just didn't need to spit coffee all over my desk. I don't care who you are that there was funny!

dnf777
05-10-2010, 02:06 PM
I know nothing about her but she is BUTT UGLY!
Thats a man baby!

She likely had lots of Friday and Saturday nights to study the law, uninterrupted. (that wasn't nice, I know)

road kill
05-10-2010, 02:14 PM
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0510/kagan_blemish_gahr.php3



rk

huntinman
05-10-2010, 02:33 PM
I know nothing about her but she is BUTT UGLY!
Thats a man baby!

Just Obama's type. Can you say Christina Romer and Janet Napolitano? Must be something in the Koolaid.

M&K's Retrievers
05-10-2010, 02:38 PM
From what I have seen of obama's decision making, I'm agin' her.

badbullgator
05-10-2010, 02:58 PM
Just Obama's type. Can you say Christina Romer and Janet Napolitano? Must be something in the Koolaid.


Yeah I am guessing Playboy is not going to do a Women of the Obongo Admin spread anytime soon.

Buzz
05-10-2010, 03:05 PM
Just Obama's type. Can you say Christina Romer and Janet Napolitano? Must be something in the Koolaid.

I'm thinking that maybe he has to run all nominations by his wife. Apparently this was instituted after she found out about Vera Baker...

Uncle Bill
05-10-2010, 03:16 PM
I know nothing about her but she is BUTT UGLY!
Thats a man baby!


You got it Corey. Or if not, at least one of the current stable of dykes in the Obama administration.

UB

depittydawg
05-10-2010, 03:22 PM
Yeah I am guessing Playboy is not going to do a Women of the Obongo Admin spread anytime soon.

Oh the horror!

badbullgator
05-10-2010, 06:43 PM
The tabloids say obongo is cheating on I hear that when he snuck away a coulpe weeks ago he had a date with this "woman"

http://www.grimmemennesker.dk/data/media/2/woman-on-bridge.jpg

All starting to make sense now

david gibson
05-10-2010, 07:14 PM
so i am a bad guy for posting a photshopped image of an eagle pooping in the direction of obama and everyone is quick to point out i am classless and tasteless, but its ok to call a woman a dyke and make fun of the way she looks - Mother Theresa was not a drop dead babe either, would you make fun of her looks?

http://gilbertking.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/elena-kagan.jpg?w=204&h=300

looks like she could be anyone's sister, or a lady down the street. i wouldnt be interested in her, and i have seen far worse but i dont make fun of them either.

people dont get to choose their faces. to ridicule them for their looks is reminiscent of junior high bullying. oh the double standards in RTF.

road kill
05-10-2010, 07:17 PM
so i am a bad guy for posting a photshopped image of an eagle pooping in the direction of obama and everyone is quick to point out i am classless and tasteless, but its ok to call a woman a dyke and make fun of the way she looks - Mother Theresa was not a drop dead babe either, would you make fun of her looks?

http://gilbertking.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/elena-kagan.jpg?w=204&h=300

looks like she could be anyone's sister, or a lady down the street. i wouldnt be interested in her, and i have seen far worse but i dont make fun of them either.

people dont get to choose their faces. to ridicule them for their looks is reminiscent of junior high bullying. oh the double standards in RTF.

Some of the more advanced posters have triple and quad standards as well.

Comes after seasoned and senior time!!




rk

Blackstone
05-10-2010, 07:38 PM
so i am a bad guy for posting a photshopped image of an eagle pooping in the direction of obama and everyone is quick to point out i am classless and tasteless, but its ok to call a woman a dyke and make fun of the way she looks - Mother Theresa was not a drop dead babe either, would you make fun of her looks?

http://gilbertking.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/elena-kagan.jpg?w=204&h=300

looks like she could be anyone's sister, or a lady down the street. i wouldnt be interested in her, and i have seen far worse but i dont make fun of them either.

people dont get to choose their faces. to ridicule them for their looks is reminiscent of junior high bullying. oh the double standards in RTF.

I have to agree with you.

subroc
05-10-2010, 07:42 PM
Is she anti military? Did she really ban the military from recruiting at harvard? does this make her too radical? Is this mainstream thought?

M&K's Retrievers
05-10-2010, 07:45 PM
Can you say coyote ugly. Kinda reminds me of Joy Behar. Lord help me. I've seen too much of the View while my wife's leg rehabs. There is a storm with a tornado spotted on it's way.Wonder how you get a walker in the storm cellar?:-(

dback
05-10-2010, 07:46 PM
:-) :-) Oh crap.....I'm gonna go to bed giggling over this thread.

mjh345
05-10-2010, 08:53 PM
so i am a bad guy for posting a photshopped image of an eagle pooping in the direction of obama and everyone is quick to point out i am classless and tasteless, but its ok to call a woman a dyke and make fun of the way she looks - Mother Theresa was not a drop dead babe either, would you make fun of her looks?

http://gilbertking.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/elena-kagan.jpg?w=204&h=300

looks like she could be anyone's sister, or a lady down the street. i wouldnt be interested in her, and i have seen far worse but i dont make fun of them either.

people dont get to choose their faces. to ridicule them for their looks is reminiscent of junior high bullying. oh the double standards in RTF.

Well said!!

charly_t
05-11-2010, 01:29 AM
so i am a bad guy for posting a photshopped image of an eagle pooping in the direction of obama and everyone is quick to point out i am classless and tasteless, but its ok to call a woman a dyke and make fun of the way she looks - Mother Theresa was not a drop dead babe either, would you make fun of her looks?

http://gilbertking.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/elena-kagan.jpg?w=204&h=300

looks like she could be anyone's sister, or a lady down the street. i wouldnt be interested in her, and i have seen far worse but i dont make fun of them either.

people dont get to choose their faces. to ridicule them for their looks is reminiscent of junior high bullying. oh the double standards in RTF.

You are so right. I wanted to say something on behalf of all we old, ugly women. I'm sure glad my husband still likes me ! There are more important things than looks where her job is concerned. I probably am not going to agree with a lot of her views but that is no reason for me to make an attack on the way she looks. I sure thought for a while I had stumbled into a jocks' locker room when I started reading this thread.

precisionlabradors
05-11-2010, 01:57 AM
awwww-sounds like its time for a big ol, huge, ugly persons included, group hug.
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precisionlabradors
05-11-2010, 01:59 AM
so i am a bad guy for posting a photshopped image of an eagle pooping in the direction of obama and everyone is quick to point out i am classless and tasteless, but its ok to call a woman a dyke and make fun of the way she looks - Mother Theresa was not a drop dead babe either, would you make fun of her looks?

http://gilbertking.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/elena-kagan.jpg?w=204&h=300

looks like she could be anyone's sister, or a lady down the street. i wouldnt be interested in her, and i have seen far worse but i dont make fun of them either.

people dont get to choose their faces. to ridicule them for their looks is reminiscent of junior high bullying. oh the double standards in RTF.

so is this your opinion or just taking the victim's stance due to getting bullied on another thread? if the latter hadn't happened or you experienced a different result, would you still opine the former? jus sayin.
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dnf777
05-11-2010, 06:20 AM
so is this your opinion or just taking the victim's stance due to getting bullied on another thread? if the latter hadn't happened or you experienced a different result, would you still opine the former? jus sayin.

Yeah, where's the t-shirts of eagles pooping on her?? Maybe some more "half-breed" slurs...

dixidawg
05-11-2010, 07:57 AM
Is she anti military? Did she really ban the military from recruiting at harvard? does this make her too radical? Is this mainstream thought?


Wikipedia says this:

During her deanship, Kagan supported a long-standing policy barring military recruiters from campus, because she felt that the military's Don't ask, don't tell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_ask,_don%27t_tell) policy discriminated against gays and lesbians. According to Campus Progress (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campus_Progress),

As dean, Kagan supported a lawsuit intended to overturn the Solomon Amendment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon_Amendment) so military recruiters might be banned from the grounds of schools like Harvard. When a federal appeals court ruled the Pentagon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon) could not withhold funds, she banned the military from Harvardís campus once again. The case was challenged in the Supreme Court, which ruled the military could indeed require schools to allow recruiters if they wanted to receive federal money. Kagan, though she allowed the military back, simultaneously urged students to demonstrate against Donít Ask, Donít Tell.[16] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elena_Kagan#cite_note-15)[17] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elena_Kagan#cite_note-16)
In October 2003, Kagan transmitted an e-mail to students and faculty deploring that military recruiters had shown up on campus in violation of the school's anti-discrimination policy. It read, "This action causes me deep distress. I abhor the military's discriminatory recruitment policy." She also wrote that it was "a profound wrong -- a moral injustice of the first order."[18] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elena_Kagan#cite_note-17)
From 2005 through 2008, Kagan was a member of the Research Advisory Council of the Goldman Sachs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldman_Sachs) Global Markets Institute.[19] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elena_Kagan#cite_note-18)




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elena_Kagan
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elena_Kagan#cite_note-18)

dnf777
05-11-2010, 08:05 AM
The military has a right to discriminate and exclude gays, and run their shop as they see fit. She, as dean, had a right to disagree with their policy and run her shop as she saw fit. Personally, I disagree with her measures, but don't see what's wrong with someone standing up for what they believe. She acted out of ideology, then out of necessity and practicality. Not a deciding factor to me.

I served with gays and lesbians in the Army, and there were ZERO issues regarding their orientation. I see no reason to exclude somebody from service, if they're willing to fight and die for their country just like any of us.

david gibson
05-11-2010, 08:18 AM
so is this your opinion or just taking the victim's stance due to getting bullied on another thread? if the latter hadn't happened or you experienced a different result, would you still opine the former? jus sayin.

just pointing out BS where i see it, which is generally to my left.

dnf777
05-11-2010, 08:25 AM
so is this your opinion or just taking the victim's stance due to getting bullied on another thread? if the latter hadn't happened or you experienced a different result, would you still opine the former? jus sayin.

Be careful Precision! He may be working on a t-shirt with a bird pooping on you, if you're not careful! :p

YardleyLabs
05-11-2010, 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by david gibson http://www.retrievertraining.net/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.retrievertraining.net/forums/showthread.php?p=613500#post613500)
so i am a bad guy for posting a photshopped image of an eagle pooping in the direction of obama and everyone is quick to point out i am classless and tasteless, but its ok to call a woman a dyke and make fun of the way she looks - Mother Theresa was not a drop dead babe either, would you make fun of her looks?

http://gilbertking.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/elena-kagan.jpg?w=204&h=300

looks like she could be anyone's sister, or a lady down the street. i wouldnt be interested in her, and i have seen far worse but i dont make fun of them either.

people dont get to choose their faces. to ridicule them for their looks is reminiscent of junior high bullying. oh the double standards in RTF.

so is this your opinion or just taking the victim's stance due to getting bullied on another thread? if the latter hadn't happened or you experienced a different result, would you still opine the former? jus sayin.
Oddly, this is one of the only times I have ever agreed with anything David has said in POTUS. Maybe it's our shared involvement with photography. When I am photographing people, beauty (or ugliness) loses almost all meaning. Character, nervousness, petulance, happiness, arrogance, shyness, and all the other things happening inside are what determine the interest of the photo. Some of the ugliest people I have ever met have been the most classically attractive, and the opposite is equally true.

badbullgator
05-11-2010, 09:13 AM
Still UGLY and I think she might be hiding a penis

david gibson
05-11-2010, 09:19 AM
so is this your opinion or just taking the victim's stance due to getting bullied on another thread? if the latter hadn't happened or you experienced a different result, would you still opine the former? jus sayin.

well, lets take a look. a quick google found:

dyke:
A word used to refer to Lesbians. Originally meant to be a slur, it has been "reclaimed" by many Lesbians who might use it to identify themselves of other Lesbians. It is considered rude to use the word "Dyke" unless you self-identify as one.

half breed:
a term used to describe anyone who is bi-racial. The term is considered an impolite and rude offensive slur by a few.

so, in all fairness, at worst it appears i committed an equally offensive offense as those that used the term "dyke". at best i was insensitive. but i am called a racist for its use. to me its no worse than "negro" but of course that can't be used any more either. and i dont see anyone enlightening the others that "dyke" is insensitive and offensive. i guess since i live in a city where a lesbian was just elected mayor i am a bit more aware of the issue.

and for your edification, i dont get "bullied". thats very insensitive to those who oppose me, for you are then calling them "bullies" and i dont think thats something anyone wants to be labeled as being for one, plus some of them i am quite sure are physically and mentally incapable of being a bully in the sense that i knew bullies in school, so then you are giving them undeserved attributes. further, i fight my way through it. do i really strike you as someone who allows himself get pushed around?

of course i dont expect any of this to sink in, most of you are wholly incapable of seeing your own hypocrisies.

david gibson
05-11-2010, 09:20 AM
Oddly, this is one of the only times I have ever agreed with anything David has said in POTUS. Maybe it's our shared involvement with photography. When I am photographing people, beauty (or ugliness) loses almost all meaning. Character, nervousness, petulance, happiness, arrogance, shyness, and all the other things happening inside are what determine the interest of the photo. Some of the ugliest people I have ever met have been the most classically attractive, and the opposite is equally true.

PLEASE tell me its THE only time. i'd hate to think our philosophies cross paths anywhere else..... ;-)

luvmylabs23139
05-11-2010, 09:35 AM
Well, there are strong rumours that she is a Lesbian. Since I personally do not agree with that stuff I don't think she belongs on the Supreme Court. Flat out it is not natural.

dnf777
05-11-2010, 10:15 AM
well, lets take a look. a quick google found:

dyke:
A word used to refer to Lesbians. Originally meant to be a slur, it has been "reclaimed" by many Lesbians who might use it to identify themselves of other Lesbians. It is considered rude to use the word "Dyke" unless you self-identify as one.

half breed:
a term used to describe anyone who is bi-racial. The term is considered an impolite and rude offensive slur by a few.

so, in all fairness, at worst it appears i committed an equally offensive offense as those that used the term "dyke". at best i was insensitive. but i am called a racist for its use. to me its no worse than "negro" but of course that can't be used any more either. and i dont see anyone enlightening the others that "dyke" is insensitive and offensive. i guess since i live in a city where a lesbian was just elected mayor i am a bit more aware of the issue.

and for your edification, i dont get "bullied". thats very insensitive to those who oppose me, for you are then calling them "bullies" and i dont think thats something anyone wants to be labeled as being for one, plus some of them i am quite sure are physically and mentally incapable of being a bully in the sense that i knew bullies in school, so then you are giving them undeserved attributes. further, i fight my way through it. do i really strike you as someone who allows himself get pushed around?

of course i dont expect any of this to sink in, most of you are wholly incapable of seeing your own hypocrisies.


This is pathetic. We are all familiar with the terms "half-breed" and "dyke" and many other terms. You express youself well, and we don't need watered down explanations!

luvmylabs: what should lesbians do? Be softball catchers and gym teachers? Of all the things that can qualify or disqualify someone for a court seat, sexual orientation is....well....not even on my list!

RK....you wanted examples of radical ideas?? They're piling up here. Have at 'em!

M&K's Retrievers
05-11-2010, 10:17 AM
According to a Rasmussen poll: 33% for, 33% against, 34% undecided. Not very favorable.

precisionlabradors
05-11-2010, 10:27 AM
just pointing out BS where i see it, which is generally to my left.

possibly due to your elephant blinders and your donkey magnifying glass. rather than discuss how hypocritical and unfairly you've been treated, why not just accept accountability and move on, not try to point out hypocrisies as if they then make what you said or did any less wrong. also, you're plum mad if you think hypocrisy is a politically sided thing.

now back to discussing the gender and attractiveness of the nominee....
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Blackstone
05-11-2010, 10:31 AM
Well, there are strong rumours that she is a Lesbian. Since I personally do not agree with that stuff I don't think she belongs on the Supreme Court. Flat out it is not natural.

I donít see homosexuality as normal either, but I guess it is normal for them. However, I donít think sexual orientation should disqualify someone from sitting on the bench. If she is gay, what is it that you think sheís going to do that would make her unfit?

Buzz
05-11-2010, 10:47 AM
I don’t see homosexuality as normal either, but I guess it is normal for them. However, I don’t think sexual orientation should disqualify someone from sitting on the bench. If she is gay, what is it that you think she’s going to do that would make her unfit?


Gay-marriage opponents mobilize against Kagan


http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/96985-gay-marriage-opponents-mobilize-against-kagan


Thus the characterizing of her as "looking like a dyke." I'm not sure I know what a dyke looks like. To me she appears to be a very average looking 50 year old woman. She would never have a chance of being hired on as a "Fox Bimbo."

luvmylabs23139
05-11-2010, 10:56 AM
I donít see homosexuality as normal either, but I guess it is normal for them. However, I donít think sexual orientation should disqualify someone from sitting on the bench. If she is gay, what is it that you think sheís going to do that would make her unfit?

Flat out, I'm totally opposed to gay marriage. I don't want anyone on the supreme court that would say it is ok. Since I personally view homosexuality as abnormal behavior, I don't think anyone that weird belongs anywhere near the supreme court.

M&K's Retrievers
05-11-2010, 10:57 AM
I suspect obama has already determined how she would rule on guns, gay marriage, abortion and immigration.

depittydawg
05-11-2010, 11:05 AM
According to a Rasmussen poll: 33% for, 33% against, 34% undecided. Not very favorable.

Polls have nothing to do with Supreme court justices. What do you think the poll results would be for Justice Clarence Thomas' job performance at this point? I'd guess 30% favorable and 70% send his rear packing. Doesn't matter though. There are only a hundred votes that count, and short of a filibuster, I think she will be approved.

badbullgator
05-11-2010, 11:25 AM
I suspect obama has already determined how she would rule on guns, gay marriage, abortion and immigration.


and it is no different than who she is replacing....it is a wash

M&K's Retrievers
05-11-2010, 11:41 AM
Worth the read: www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=36935

dixidawg
05-11-2010, 12:07 PM
and it is no different than who she is replacing....it is a wash

Except she will probably be there for another 30-40 years.

dnf777
05-11-2010, 12:20 PM
Flat out, I'm totally opposed to gay marriage. I don't want anyone on the supreme court that would say it is ok. Since I personally view homosexuality as abnormal behavior, I don't think anyone that weird belongs anywhere near the supreme court.

That's perfectly fine. Personally, I think what goes on in San Fran is pretty disgusting too, but its not my place to impose my personal beliefs on others, nor to deny them their pursuit of happiness, so long as they are otherwise competent and qualified for a job. Be it toting a rifle in the military, adjudicating from the bench, or arranging flowers....whatever they want.

Gays are going through the same growing pains that first AfricanAmericans, then women went through. Some people thought it was totally "abnormal behavior" for women to have jobs other than secreteries or teachers. It used to be totally abnormal for blacks to eat in the same restaurant as whites.

Marvin S
05-11-2010, 12:27 PM
Worth the read: www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=36935 (http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=36935)

I like the comment "She's a fat, white, female? Van Jones". Anyone thinking Rosie O'Donnell with a better educational pedigree?

Marvin S
05-11-2010, 12:35 PM
Gays are going through the same growing pains that first AfricanAmericans, then women went through. Some people thought it was totally "abnormal behavior" for women to have jobs other than secreteries or teachers. It used to be totally abnormal for blacks to eat in the same restaurant as whites.

I find this post to be disgustingly ham handed.

I grew up in an era where being "gay" meant you were happy. I have also witnessed 1st hand their aggressive behavior. To say their abnormal behavior is anything other than perversion is quite a stretch, even for someone who try's to pass himself off as something special :rolleyes:.

charly_t
05-11-2010, 12:37 PM
awwww-sounds like its time for a big ol, huge, ugly persons included, group hug.

NOT HARDLY ! That said..........some of you may not understand but I will put it into words that you will understand........"No hitting below the belt".

road kill
05-11-2010, 12:41 PM
That's perfectly fine. Personally, I think what goes on in San Fran is pretty disgusting too, but its not my place to impose my personal beliefs on others, nor to deny them their pursuit of happiness, so long as they are otherwise competent and qualified for a job. Be it toting a rifle in the military, adjudicating from the bench, or arranging flowers....whatever they want.

Gays are going through the same growing pains that first AfricanAmericans, then women went through. Some people thought it was totally "abnormal behavior" for women to have jobs other than secreteries or teachers. It used to be totally abnormal for blacks to eat in the same restaurant as whites.
Homsexuality is not ethnicity.



rk

Franco
05-11-2010, 01:31 PM
I suspect obama has already determined how she would rule on guns, gay marriage, abortion and immigration.

With Ms Kagan being a gay Jewish woman from Chicago, Dean Of Harvard Law School and eastcoast intellectual, that she is as liberal a judge as one could find.

dnf777
05-11-2010, 01:37 PM
Homsexuality is not ethnicity.

rk

Neither is gender. But they're all groups that have been discriminated wrongly against. Hey, its not for me, but who are we to tell others how to live their lives? Free country, right? Land of opportunity?

BonMallari
05-11-2010, 02:19 PM
I suspect obama has already determined how she would rule on guns, gay marriage, abortion and immigration.

absolutely correct...also very little paper trail..unless they find some dirty little secret in her closet, but even then they (Rep) dont have the votes to stop the eventual confirmation

Franco
05-11-2010, 02:37 PM
Harvard Law School video...
http://wimp.com/acapellagaga/

Marvin S
05-11-2010, 02:44 PM
But they're all groups that have been discriminated wrongly against.

IYO, which is not worth a lot.

Slow day at your place of employment, doc?

depittydawg
05-11-2010, 02:47 PM
Homsexuality is not ethnicity.



rk

My grandmothers generation had a word for women who chose not to marry, Spinster. Now it seems that any woman who isn't married is branded as lesbian. I suppose having witnessed the sexual perversions of Clarence Thomas exposed, examined and brought to the limelight in his nomination hearing, we should expect no less from today's Senate Judiciary committee. No doubt she will provide some "fresh meat" for the Senators to gain access to free national media exposure just in time for the elections next fall. On a serious note, from what I've read about this woman, I think she will make a fantastic justice. She is not a liberal, and she is not a conservative. She is a person who has devoted her entire life to the study of law.

Buzz
05-11-2010, 03:02 PM
With Ms Kagan being a gay Jewish woman from Chicago, Dean Of Harvard Law School and eastcoast intellectual, that she is as liberal a judge as one could find.

Tell that to the Liberals who are upset about the pick.

Everyone that Democrats put up, whether it be a presidential candidate or judge or whatever. They all get tagged as "the most liberal ever." Funny how they keep coming up with folks who are more and more liberal, every single time... How DO they do it?

depittydawg
05-11-2010, 03:22 PM
With Ms Kagan being a gay Jewish woman from Chicago, Dean Of Harvard Law School and eastcoast intellectual, that she is as liberal a judge as one could find.

Her sexual preferences are completely speculative. It seems more likely she simply she never met a man she wanted to marry and remained single. What exactly is an "east coast intellectual"? I mean as opposed to lets say a "Mid West intellectual", or a "Southern Intellectual", or even a "European intellectual"? As for her Jewish heritage, there are plenty of conservative Jew's out there.

dnf777
05-11-2010, 03:23 PM
IYO, which is not worth a lot.

Slow day at your place of employment, doc?

Thanks, that's nice.
Do you think they were discriminated against correctly?

Actually a pretty busy day for the office. But when people show up late, I get a little time to entertain myself with right wing rantings on POTUS.

depittydawg
05-11-2010, 03:35 PM
Tell that to the Liberals who are upset about the pick.

Everyone that Democrats put up, whether it be a presidential candidate or judge or whatever. They all get tagged as "the most liberal ever." Funny how they keep coming up with folks who are more and more liberal, every single time... How DO they do it?

Yeah it is funny. Clinton was tagged as a flaming liberal too. Of course he ended up playing fiddle with Allan Greenspan and the Republican congress to deregulate just about everything under the sun. Then there was Joe Lieberman, the liberal Jew on the Gore ticket. Yep, he sure turned out to be a lefty didn't he... The truth be known, liberals, or progressives or whatever you want to call folks of that bent, have no meaningful representation in either the democratic or Republican party.

subroc
05-11-2010, 03:51 PM
Yeah it is funny. Clinton was tagged as a flaming liberal too. Of course he ended up playing fiddle with Allan Greenspan and the Republican congress to deregulate just about everything under the sun. Then there was Joe Lieberman, the liberal Jew on the Gore ticket. Yep, he sure turned out to be a lefty didn't he... The truth be known, liberals, or progressives or whatever you want to call folks of that bent, have no meaningful representation in either the democratic or Republican party.

Joe Lieberman is a lefty. He is a lefty that believes in protecting the United States. His stance on the war effort is the "only" thing that made him a pariah.

menmon
05-11-2010, 04:21 PM
I can't believe it, but I actually liked much of what I read from the right on this thread.

You never know where these justices come out politically. Some of the most liberal judges have been nominated by republicans and the same goes for democrats nominating conservatives.

Checkout a supreme court case "The United States vs Travis Paul Enmons"

It's a typo, we don't have an s on the end of our name, but that was my Dad. Had the court not been a little libral, I may have had to go see him on visitation days.

M&K's Retrievers
05-11-2010, 04:36 PM
Stand to reason. No one on obama's staff including obama has any experience other than "working" for the government. There is no reason to expect him to nominate for SCOTUS anyone who has experience on the bench. I expect that whatever is hiding in the wood pile will come out shortly.

depittydawg
05-11-2010, 05:46 PM
Stand to reason. No one on obama's staff including obama has any experience other than "working" for the government. There is no reason to expect him to nominate for SCOTUS anyone who has experience on the bench. I expect that whatever is hiding in the wood pile will come out shortly.

Better look on that staff again partner. There's a lot of experience that is not with the government. :cool:

depittydawg
05-11-2010, 05:49 PM
Joe Lieberman is a lefty. He is a lefty that believes in protecting the United States. His stance on the war effort is the "only" thing that made him a pariah.

I'd say his blockage of healthcare reform also qualifies him. And if you think attacking countries indiscriminately qualifies as 'defending' the country, then I guess we disagree.

dnf777
05-11-2010, 06:05 PM
You never know where these justices come out politically. Some of the most liberal judges have been nominated by republicans and the same goes for democrats nominating conservatives.


So true. I can only imagine that actually putting on that robe for the first time causes some real introspection.

depittydawg
05-11-2010, 06:06 PM
So true. I can only imagine that actually putting on that robe for the first time causes some real introspection.

And don't forget the lobbying that they are subjected to, like everyone else in Washington.

YardleyLabs
05-11-2010, 06:25 PM
I love the definition of a "liberal" based on college affiliation (Kagan attended Princeton and then Harvard Law). I assume that means there are no conservatives on the current court:

Alito - Princeton/Harvard
Scalia - Georgetown/Hardvard
Thomas - Holy Cross/Yale
Roberts - Harvard/Harvard
Kennedy - Stanford/Harvard

With respect to experience, Rehnquist (Stanford/Harvard) had no judicial experience at all and worked almost his entire life in either private legal practice or politics and government.

Scalia had a total of four years as a judge before his appointment to the SCOTUS. Prior to that he worked as a university professor or government employee except for the first six years of his career.

Thomas worked for a couple of years with Monsanto but otherwise, only worked in political positions in government until he was nominated to the Court of Appeals. He was appointed to the SCOTUS after only one year as a judge.

Roberts' only experience before being appointed to the Court of Appeals was as a staff person under Reagan followed by a private legal practice. He was a judge for only two years prior to becoming Chief Justice.

Alito spent a brief period as an assistant attorney general in NJ and then worked as a white house staffer (most notably as an assistant in the Office of the Solicitor General now headed by Kagan) until being appointed to the Court of Appeals. With almost 16 years on the bench, Alito is the only one of the conservative justices with more judicial experience than Sotomayor, and actually the only one with substantial experience as a judge.

Kagan's experience looks like that of most of the SCOTUS justices, with heavy doses of university experience, clerking for justices, private practice, and government work. The most remarkable difference is that, as Dean of the Harvard law School, she actually ran something substantial and received great support from conservatives and liberals for the job she did. One of her major achievements there was to hire a large contingent of conservative legal scholars to balance out what she saw as the liberal bias among the faculty. The biggest criticism against her from doing this was that she hired very few minorities or women. Go figure.

JDogger
05-11-2010, 06:35 PM
I love the definition of a "liberal" based on college affiliation (Kagan attended Princeton and then Harvard Law). I assume that means there are no conservatives on the current court:

Alito - Princeton/Harvard
Scalia - Georgetown/Hardvard
Thomas - Holy Cross/Yale
Roberts - Harvard/Harvard
Kennedy - Stanford/Harvard

With respect to experience, Rehnquist (Stanford/Harvard) had no judicial experience at all and worked almost his entire life in either private legal practice or politics and government.

Scalia had a total of four years as a judge before his appointment to the SCOTUS. Prior to that he worked as a university professor or government employee except for the first six years of his career.

Thomas worked for a couple of years with Monsanto but otherwise, only worked in political positions in government until he was nominated to the Court of Appeals. He was appointed to the SCOTUS after only one year as a judge.

Roberts' only experience before being appointed to the Court of Appeals was as a staff person under Reagan followed by a private legal practice. He was a judge for only two years prior to becoming Chief Justice.

Alito spent a brief period as an assistant attorney general in NJ and then worked as a white house staffer (most notably as an assistant in the Office of the Solicitor General now headed by Kagan) until being appointed to the Court of Appeals. With almost 16 years on the bench, Alito is the only one of the conservative justices with more judicial experience than Sotomayor, and actually the only one with substantial experience as a judge.

Kagan's experience looks like that of most of the SCOTUS justices, with heavy doses of university experience, clerking for justices, private practice, and government work. The most remarkable difference is that, as Dean of the Harvard law School, she actually ran something substantial and received great support from conservatives and liberals for the job she did. One of her major achievements there was to hire a large contingent of conservative legal scholars to balance out what she saw as the liberal bias among the faculty. The biggest criticism against her from doing this was that she hired very few minorities or women. Go figure.

Chuckle :p

M&K's Retrievers
05-11-2010, 08:58 PM
Better look on that staff again partner. There's a lot of experience that is not with the government. :cool:

And that would be?

M&K's Retrievers
05-12-2010, 10:07 PM
And that would be?

Still waiting.

YardleyLabs
05-12-2010, 10:33 PM
Still waiting.
She spent two years clerking for judges (the second was Thurgood Marshal on the SCOTUS) after completing her studies. She then worked for six years (1989-1995) in private practice and then as a professor at the University of Chicago Law School. She spent the next 4-5 years as a white house staffer before joining the faculty of the Harvard Law School where she became Dean in 2003 and where she remained until 2008, at which time she joined the Obama Administration. Total government experience, excluding the two clerkships (2 years), was about 7 years. Private sector experience totaled about 14 years.

Buzz
05-12-2010, 10:36 PM
She spent two years clerking for judges (the second was Thurgood Marshal on the SCOTUS) after completing her studies. She then worked for six years (1989-1995) in private practice and then as a professor at the University of Chicago Law School. She spent the next 4-5 years as a white house staffer before joining the faculty of the Harvard Law School where she became Dean in 2003 and where she remained until 2008, at which time she joined the Obama Administration. Total government experience, excluding the two clerkships (2 years), was about 7 years. Private sector experience totaled about 14 years.


He's looking for anyone in the Obama Administration that has any experience outside of government. I guess he's looking for business experience.

Henry V
05-12-2010, 11:56 PM
Stand to reason. No one on obama's staff including obama has any experience other than "working" for the government....
Great point. The Bush administration clearly demonstrated the benefits of bringing in experienced business people to lead the government. We had:
1) an MBA President (who, interestingly, had to get a couple of his companies bailed out before he left them)
2) A vice-president who was the former CEO of Halliburton even though he had no prior business experience. Interestingly, while CEO, Halliburton moved from 73rd to 18th on the Pentagon's list of top contractors and the the company garnered $2.3 billion in U.S. government contracts, which almost doubled the $1.2 billion it earned from the government previously.
3) A Treasury Secretary who was former CEO and Chairman of Goldman Sachs.
4) A chief of staff who was President and Chief Executive Officer of the American Automobile Manufacturers Association and then General Motors' Vice President of Government Relations.
5) A commerce secretary who managed his campaign and served as the CEO of an oil company.
6) Numerous agency heads who's previous service was in the industry they were supposed to regulate/oversee.
7) ...... Harriet Meyers.........Alberto Gonzales......

I guess it must have been public service types like Rumsfeld and the other cronies from previous Republican administrations that overpowered these giants of business and free markets and left us in the middle of the great recession.

M&K's Retrievers
05-13-2010, 12:22 AM
He's looking for anyone in the Obama Administration that has any experience outside of government. I guess he's looking for business experience.

Yeah you know. Someone who has invested their own money to start and run a business, make a payroll, buy employee benefits, buy workers comp insurance, buy E&O insurance, meet state and federal regulations, defend frivolous law suits, pay everyone else before they pay themselves. Risk reward rather than government tit.

JDogger
05-13-2010, 12:33 AM
Yeah you know. Someone who has invested their own money to start and run a business, make a parole, buy employee benefits, buy workers comp insurance, buy E&O insurance, meet state and federal regulations, defend frivolous law suits, pay everyone else before they pay themselves. Risk reward rather than government tit.

Well h*ll, if they made parole..., why not? ;-)

JD

M&K's Retrievers
05-13-2010, 12:33 AM
She spent two years clerking for judges (the second was Thurgood Marshal on the SCOTUS) after completing her studies. She then worked for six years (1989-1995) in private practice and then as a professor at the University of Chicago Law School. She spent the next 4-5 years as a white house staffer before joining the faculty of the Harvard Law School where she became Dean in 2003 and where she remained until 2008, at which time she joined the Obama Administration. Total government experience, excluding the two clerkships (2 years), was about 7 years. Private sector experience totaled about 14 years.

Jeff, I wasn't talking about her but obama's staff in general. No one really knows about her but if he recommends her one can reason she has as little experience at her position as others on his staff.

M&K's Retrievers
05-13-2010, 02:25 AM
Well h*ll, if they made parole..., why not? ;-)

JD

Damn spelling police.:D:D

YardleyLabs
05-13-2010, 06:37 AM
Yeah you know. Someone who has invested their own money to start and run a business, make a payroll, buy employee benefits, buy workers comp insurance, buy E&O insurance, meet state and federal regulations, defend frivolous law suits, pay everyone else before they pay themselves. Risk reward rather than government tit.
Well, that knocks out almost every CEO of a major corporation since they tend to do those things with other people's money, as did almost all of Bush's appointees with business experience.;-) Kagan's experience is actually favorably comparable with that of the other justices on the court at the times of their appointments. If you go to the resumes of most senior appointees, I think you will find a mix of public sector and private sector experience. That is important. As one who has played on both sides of the line, I will say categorically that it is more difficult to move from the private sector to the public sector and operate successfully than it is to move from public to private. Most successful business people fail when they move into government positions because they cannot deal with the realities of working in a fish bowl. When I started work in the public sector, I shared an office with five people, including me. All eventually left government for private sector jobs that did not involve selling back to the government. One became a partner at McKinsey & Company, two became Senior VP's at Chemical Bank, one became an SVP at Citicorp, and one became a Partner at Ernst & Young. Not too bad for a bunch of shuffling bureaucrats from NYC government.

dnf777
05-13-2010, 07:04 AM
Isn't it interesting that to be eligible to judge a field trial or hunt test, you can NOT be a professional, in order to avoid conflict. Maybe the same standard should apply to SCOTUS judges, yet we argue the exact opposite.

road kill
05-13-2010, 07:21 AM
Isn't it interesting that to be eligible to judge a field trial or hunt test, you can NOT be a professional, in order to avoid conflict. Maybe the same standard should apply to SCOTUS judges, yet we argue the exact opposite.


Rationalization: the second strongest human drive!!:D



rk

Matt McKenzie
05-13-2010, 07:23 AM
Great point. The Bush administration clearly demonstrated the benefits of bringing in experienced business people to lead the government. We had:
1) an MBA President (who, interestingly, had to get a couple of his companies bailed out before he left them)
2) A vice-president who was the former CEO of Halliburton even though he had no prior business experience. Interestingly, while CEO, Halliburton moved from 73rd to 18th on the Pentagon's list of top contractors and the the company garnered $2.3 billion in U.S. government contracts, which almost doubled the $1.2 billion it earned from the government previously.
3) A Treasury Secretary who was former CEO and Chairman of Goldman Sachs.
4) A chief of staff who was President and Chief Executive Officer of the American Automobile Manufacturers Association and then General Motors' Vice President of Government Relations.
5) A commerce secretary who managed his campaign and served as the CEO of an oil company.
6) Numerous agency heads who's previous service was in the industry they were supposed to regulate/oversee.
7) ...... Harriet Meyers.........Alberto Gonzales......

I guess it must have been public service types like Rumsfeld and the other cronies from previous Republican administrations that overpowered these giants of business and free markets and left us in the middle of the great recession.

It's amazing that it took 75 posts to get there, but we can always count on Henry to go with the "Bush Deflection". It's like the moon and the tides. I don't know whether to be amused or disgusted.

As far as justices go, I would certainly like to know more about her views, but it doesn't seem that experience is necessarily a problem with her.

junbe
05-13-2010, 07:34 AM
Isn't it interesting that to be eligible to judge a field trial or hunt test, you can NOT be a professional, in order to avoid conflict. Maybe the same standard should apply to SCOTUS judges, yet we argue the exact opposite.

AKC Retriever Hunting Tests do allow professionals to judge. AKC Retriever Field Trials, as of 1950's, do not allow professional judges or cash payments for retriever events. The Master National Hunting Test has a club policy against using professionals.

I don't know what UKC Hunt Tests allow.

Jack

road kill
05-13-2010, 08:01 AM
Well, that knocks out almost every CEO of a major corporation since they tend to do those things with other people's money, as did almost all of Bush's appointees with business experience.;-)

Originally Posted by Henry V
Great point. The Bush administration.........



I thought you progressives hated Bush, now he is the GOLD standard!!
OK then.........:D



rk

david gibson
05-13-2010, 08:48 AM
Isn't it interesting that to be eligible to judge a field trial or hunt test, you can NOT be a professional, in order to avoid conflict. Maybe the same standard should apply to SCOTUS judges, yet we argue the exact opposite.

is that true? i know a pro who judges....

menmon
05-13-2010, 09:45 AM
is that true? i know a pro who judges....

Pros cannot judge field trials

menmon
05-13-2010, 11:12 AM
is that true? i know a pro who judges....

Do not agree with your politics, but your photography is awesome!

M&K's Retrievers
05-26-2010, 11:59 AM
According to a Rasmussen poll released today, 47% of Americans have an unfavorable view of Kagan. This is up from 43% last week and 39% when announced. She's going down faster than obama.

M&K's Retrievers
06-04-2010, 02:05 AM
More info on the judge wanna be:

www.cbsnews.com/8301-504564_162-20006769-504564.html

http://kaganwatch.com/2010/06/03/white-house-obama-may-use-executive-p

And another:

www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/rubin/306101