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ducknwork
05-26-2010, 12:11 PM
It's good to see Obama doing something about immigration rather than just chastising AZ for trying to solve the problem themselves. 1200 men and 500 mil is a pretty good start. I wonder how long it will last?

M&K's Retrievers
05-26-2010, 01:25 PM
Let me see. 1200 troops, 3 8 hour shifts = 1 man per mile. That should do it.:rolleyes:

Buzz
05-26-2010, 02:03 PM
I wonder. Should they be patrolling the desert, or should they be cleaning up oil off the beaches?

M&K's Retrievers
05-26-2010, 02:15 PM
How about we use the illegals to clean up the beaches before we send them back?

Buzz
05-26-2010, 02:19 PM
How about we use the illegals to clean up the beaches before we send them back?


That works for me...

Franco
05-26-2010, 03:23 PM
Earlier this week I met with a British company located here in La. that was hired to handle the clean up. (stock tip: buy Production Services Network- PSNworld.com)

They want to use radio across the gulfsouth to recruit 12-14 thousand workers at $18 per hour, three month gig.

The problem is where to house them. Their hosuing cost could be higher than what they are going to pay. They are buying as many old FEMA trailers as they can but, that may not be enough. That's why they want to hire locals. I'm not sure they will be able to hire that many workers for $18. per hour.

dback
05-26-2010, 08:16 PM
Let me see. 1200 troops, 3 8 hour shifts = 1 man per mile. That should do it.:rolleyes:

Actually....it's worse than that M&K. They will be assigned to the entire US/Mexico border (1969 miles) which equates out to 1 man per every 5 miles. I'll be interested to hear what their actual duties and policies will be. This is nothing but a political 'perception' move.

M&K's Retrievers
05-26-2010, 08:44 PM
..... This is nothing but a political 'perception' move.

I know. More of obama's bull shoot.

Eric Johnson
05-26-2010, 09:57 PM
Let me see. 1200 troops, 3 8 hour shifts = 1 man per mile. That should do it.:rolleyes:

There's a tooth to tail ratio that has to be figured. Let's say it's 1:1 though that is quite low. It takes personnel specialists. cooks, mechanics, medics, etc, in addition to the warfighters. Say though it's 1:1....that's 600 warfighters.

Then, to fill 1 manpower position for 24 hours for 7 days per week takes about 4.5 people. That means it's down to 133 or so.

What isn't stated is whether the troops will come from existing units already at the border or based there. If so, that could raise the number significantly as all the butchers and bakers and candlestick makers would be part of the existing resources of the base.

Eric

M&K's Retrievers
05-26-2010, 11:58 PM
There's a tooth to tail ratio that has to be figured. Let's say it's 1:1 though that is quite low. It takes personnel specialists. cooks, mechanics, medics, etc, in addition to the warfighters. Say though it's 1:1....that's 600 warfighters.

Then, to fill 1 manpower position for 24 hours for 7 days per week takes about 4.5 people. That means it's down to 133 or so.

What isn't stated is whether the troops will come from existing units already at the border or based there. If so, that could raise the number significantly as all the butchers and bakers and candlestick makers would be part of the existing resources of the base.

Eric

A friend of mine who recently retired from a high position with the IRS said the same thing about the 16,000 additional agents required to monitor health care compliance. He said the total needed by the time you add support staff will be closer to 40,000 IRS employees not to mention office space, automobiles, expense accounts, etc.

ducknwork
05-27-2010, 07:17 AM
I heard that it was 1 person per 1.6 miles and McCain was asking for 6000 people rather than 1200. I know that it isn't ideal, but damn guys, at least they are doing something.

M&K's Retrievers
05-27-2010, 09:06 AM
I heard that it was 1 person per 1.6 miles and McCain was asking for 6000 people rather than 1200. I know that it isn't ideal, but damn guys, at least they are doing something.

Meaningless political window dressing. I read somewhere yesterday that these were desk jobs.

ducknwork
05-27-2010, 11:55 AM
Meaningless political window dressing. I read somewhere yesterday that these were desk jobs.

Where did you read that? Nothing that I have seen even implies that they are simply desk jobs.

M&K's Retrievers
05-27-2010, 05:06 PM
I can't remember. I'll try to find if I get time. It doesn't really matter if they are behind a desk or on horseback. 1200 isn't squat.

M&K's Retrievers
05-27-2010, 05:13 PM
Where did you read that? Nothing that I have seen even implies that they are simply desk jobs.

Apparently obama said as much in his press conference today. I didn't see it but just read a quote on Fox News.

luvmylabs23139
05-27-2010, 05:55 PM
Obama said it on live TV. He is such an a**. He also said he thinks all those law breaking illegals should be made legal.

YardleyLabs
05-27-2010, 07:19 PM
Obama said it on live TV. He is such an a**. He also said he thinks all those law breaking illegals should be made legal.
He said the troops would serve in back office support roles and not replace or directly supplement border control officers or local law enforcement in the field. He restated his belief, as he has consistently since his presidential campaign, that any solution to immigration problems needed to address employer responsibility and provide an avenue for illegals already in the country to become legal at some point after paying fines, back taxes, and fulfilling other requirements. His position now is consistent with what he promised and consistent with proposals previously made by Bush. Personally, I agree with him and think that those politicians arguing for military solutions for immigration are cynically playing with the emotions of voters while knowing full well that such an approach has no chance of working.

depittydawg
05-27-2010, 07:40 PM
Meaningless political window dressing. I read somewhere yesterday that these were desk jobs.

Kind of like, "Don't worry, we're gonna build a wall". Not ever a feasible solutions, but it satisfied the masses for an election cycle.

dnf777
05-27-2010, 07:52 PM
...to address employer responsibility and provide an avenue for illegals already in the country to become legal at some point after paying fines, back taxes, and fulfilling other requirements...

The way fines and interest accrue, there is no way in hell a minimally employable "citizen" can repay more than a few years back taxes, if even that! It would be interesting to see what the average tax bill the average Mexican illegal would owe under such a program, broken down by number of years in the country. I bet we'd be surprised.

Lucky Seven
05-27-2010, 08:02 PM
I wonder. Should they be patrolling the desert, or should they be cleaning up oil off the beaches?

It would be nice if The Messiah got off his a$$ and did something......

Amateur hour at The White House continues. Looks like his lack of experience and resume, or lack there of ...... is finally catching up to Obama.

Franco
05-27-2010, 08:03 PM
I think it is pretty clear that the Dems, when all the window dressing is removed are pushing for an open boarder. They see the Hispanic vote vital to staying in power.

Hopefully, the Repubs have learned thier lesson, that pandering to the Hispanic vote will not keep them in power. Certainly didn't help Bush and he's from Texas!

I see it as our incompetent government giving the country away and leading us to poverty through thier stupidy, greed and neglect.

I'm not sure who penned; A nation gets the government they deserve. How true as we have elected some really sorry leaders to protect tax paying citizens!

Gerry Clinchy
05-27-2010, 08:41 PM
The way fines and interest accrue, there is no way in hell a minimally employable "citizen" can repay more than a few years back taxes, if even that! It would be interesting to see what the average tax bill the average Mexican illegal would owe under such a program, broken down by number of years in the country. I bet we'd be surprised.

I have to agree with Dave ... if the govt does such a lousy job of finding and deporting illegals, how successful would they be at collecting fines, taxes, etc. Heck, if the IRS couldn't get Geithner to pay taxes, how will they sort out 11 million illegals & collect their back taxes?

OTOH, it just occurred to me that if their income is low enough & the families large enough, they may not owe any taxes in the end ... might even get a "tax credit". So, what sounds good on paper may simply cost a lot of money to annotate, only to find out that instead of taxes being owed ... the govt owes them $, plus some other social welfare benefits. That could be a real kick in the head.

ducknwork
05-28-2010, 07:07 AM
The way fines and interest accrue, there is no way in hell a minimally employable "citizen" can repay more than a few years back taxes, if even that! It would be interesting to see what the average tax bill the average Mexican illegal would owe under such a program, broken down by number of years in the country. I bet we'd be surprised.

Just curious...How would we know how long an 'undocumented' immigrant has been here so we can calculate what they owe? After all, they are 'undocumented'...

dnf777
05-28-2010, 07:17 AM
Just curious...How would we know how long an 'undocumented' immigrant has been here so we can calculate what they owe? After all, they are 'undocumented'...

Don't ask me, Bro! Ain't my idea!
Personally, I don't like any form of amnesty....be it Reagan or Obama.
If we catch a bank robber, do we sit down with him and figure out an amicable way to allow him to keep his money, so long as he pays taxes and promises to stay out of trouble from now on? Hell no. If we allow this, we might as well open the boarders and take all our immigration laws and put them in the round file. Then your favorite training grounds will be come a parking lot for low income high rises.