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M&K's Retrievers
06-05-2010, 11:32 PM
... a Presidential Press Conference without the American Flag behind the president? This clown just sucks. That's all. Sucks. What say you obama homers?:(

depittydawg
06-05-2010, 11:41 PM
... a Presidential Press Conference without the American Flag behind the president? This clown just sucks. That's all. Sucks. What say you obama homers?:(

I think you guys need to get a grip on yourselves. Jr Bush never left home without an entourage of flag draping party loyalists. Did that make him a good President? I don't give a damn about flags. I care about effective leadership and sound decisions. Save your criticism for that. I'll jump on that bandwagon. I'll reserve judgment on Obama's presidency for 2012. And frankly it won't matter how many flags were present during his press conferences.

M&K's Retrievers
06-05-2010, 11:53 PM
...... I care about effective leadership and sound decisions. ......

Apparently you don't.

charly_t
06-06-2010, 03:21 AM
... a Presidential Press Conference without the American Flag behind the president? This clown just sucks. That's all. Sucks. What say you obama homers?:(

Well....it would seem that he does not like, love or respect any part of the USA. Since the flag is the representation of this country to some extent I
guess if you want to change this country into something else you get rid of the flag PDQ. I for one do not think we have always done eveything that we should as a nation but she is my country and I love her. I am NOT happy with the way things are going. I hope enough people feel as I do to so we can vote the scum out and maybe start changing the way things have been run for some time now. We need to strip some people of all the money that has been given to them and that they have voted for themselves. I'm sure not smart enough to do anything about most of it but I do recognize a crook part of the time and I don't vote for them.

dnf777
06-06-2010, 07:11 AM
Just last nite my friend had a farewell party at a local club. he took a job in the next town. The banquet hall we used just had a dinner for our local republican representative the night before. Old Glory was placed on the right hand side of the stage (when facing the stage) WTF? Don't republicans know how to properly display the flag in the position of honor??? Those clowns must suck!

(see how silly that sounds?)

BTW, it took an independent voter to reposition the flag in its proper position of honor. What does that tell you?

road kill
06-06-2010, 07:22 AM
Just last nite my friend had a farewell party at a local club. he took a job in the next town. The banquet hall we used just had a dinner for our local republican representative the night before. Old Glory was placed on the right hand side of the stage (when facing the stage) WTF? Don't republicans know how to properly display the flag in the position of honor??? Those clowns must suck!

(see how silly that sounds?)

BTW, it took an independent voter to reposition the flag in its proper position of honor. What does that tell you?

Really??

Did you know him???:D



rk

dnf777
06-06-2010, 09:29 AM
Really??

Did you know him???:D



rk

Sho 'nuff do! Improper display of the flag is a tack under my saddle ever since standing in morning formation with the Fightin' Texas Aggie Cadet Corps, and in evening formation, rain, shine, or blistering heat, to salute Old Glory while the bugler played Reveille or Retreat.

What really chaps my a$$ is when people literally wrap themselves in the flag, as if it were some shawl made for their comfort or photo-op! Only a few have earned the privilege of being draped in colors, and even then, only when they lay in their coffin!

I would much rather see a president give one conference without a flag displayed, that see one trash everything it stands for, and use it as a false pretense of patiotism and glory.

M&K's Retrievers
06-06-2010, 10:43 AM
Just last nite my friend had a farewell party at a local club. he took a job in the next town. The banquet hall we used just had a dinner for our local republican representative the night before. Old Glory was placed on the right hand side of the stage (when facing the stage) WTF? Don't republicans know how to properly display the flag in the position of honor??? Those clowns must suck!

(see how silly that sounds?)

BTW, it took an independent voter to reposition the flag in its proper position of honor. What does that tell you?

It's the President of the United States showing blatant disrespect for his position and our country not some clown at the local moose lodge who probably doesn't know better.

YardleyLabs
06-06-2010, 11:28 AM
It's the President of the United States showing blatant disrespect for his position and our country not some clown at the local moose lodge who probably doesn't know better.
What blatant disrespect? Respect and love for our country is not defined by lapel pins and conspicuous flag waving at every occasion any more than love of God is shown by thumping on a Bible. What I find to be disrespectful are the efforts of those who try to claim that our country is defined by its support for their positions on issues rather than by the process that we follow in making decisions as a country

dnf777
06-06-2010, 11:42 AM
It's the President of the United States showing blatant disrespect for his position and our country not some clown at the local moose lodge who probably doesn't know better.

Let me help you work out your angst...since I assume you will be consistent in you patriotism, in expressing concern for presidents who speak without displaying a flag on the podium.

Where's the Flag???? (and not the one with a slogan superimposed over it)


http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae306/dnf777/mission_accomplished.jpg

M&K's Retrievers
06-06-2010, 11:58 AM
What blatant disrespect? ...

Your right, Jeff. I guess it being the White House and all they couldn't find a flag or two to put on the podium. Or I guess they didn't have ample notice. Or maybe since it had been 300+ days since his last press conference, they misplaced the flags. Or maybe, just maybe that pompous arrogant arse puts himself above the country and everything else and told staffers to remove the flags. That would be my guess. Every President prior to him managed to find a flag or two but I guess he is just too busy smoozing celebrities, playing basketball and golf and taking photo opps at the Gulf. Even Pelosi has half a dozen flags behind her when she tells us what is good for us.

This was done on purpose. I'm not sure what that purpose is but I for one don't like it.

precisionlabradors
06-06-2010, 12:17 PM
yeah, he could have put them up. if he did you would still hate him. maybe his reason is to give y'all another reason. dunno. how about next time he does present a flag you post up about how patriotic he must be.
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M&K's Retrievers
06-06-2010, 12:21 PM
yeah, he could have put them up. if he did you would still hate him. maybe his reason is to give y'all another reason. dunno. how about next time he does present a flag you post up about how patriotic he must be.

Based on past performance, that will be sometime next March assuming he's still in office.

precisionlabradors
06-06-2010, 12:23 PM
Based on past performance, that will be sometime next March assuming he's still in office.
great...i look forward to his passionate act of patriotism.
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M&K's Retrievers
06-06-2010, 12:26 PM
Let me help you work out your angst...since I assume you will be consistent in you patriotism, in expressing concern for presidents who speak without displaying a flag on the podium.

Where's the Flag???? (and not the one with a slogan superimposed over it)


http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae306/dnf777/mission_accomplished.jpg

What part of "Press Conference" don't you understand, Dave. Also, this was taken on a ship where even the Prez doesn't have full control. I think obama has full control of what happens in the White House.

dnf777
06-06-2010, 12:36 PM
What part of "Press Conference" don't you understand, Dave. Also, this was taken on a ship where even the Prez doesn't have full control. I think obama has full control of what happens in the White House.

Hmmm... Commander in Chief of all US Armed Forces, and he can't have a flag placed on the podium???? He had the ship's return to port delayed by 24 hours to accommodate his photo-op schedule, but he can't have a flag present? He had a banner tied across the helm, but can't have a flag? Hmmm.... And lets see, there's press, cameras, teleprompters.....what don't YOU understand? Tough when YOUR messiah falters in the same way you criticize Obama, huh?

My point is, this is all silly. If that's the best you have to criticize him by, he must be doing a good job in your estimation! Hell, I can find better things to criticize him over than that.....Bush-like spending for one! Keeping us involved in money-bleeding wars all over the world like a republican for two. Your point about Pelosi is well taken. I get more nervous when flag waving or Bible tumping zealots tell me what's good for me!

M&K's Retrievers
06-06-2010, 01:35 PM
Hmmm... Commander in Chief of all US Armed Forces, and he can't have a flag placed on the podium????No one can be sure if there is or isn't a flag just out of frame. Not saying there is but who knows for sure? He had the ship's return to port delayed by 24 hours to accommodate his photo-op schedule, but he can't have a flag present?Don't know about this but what could it cost? That ship had to be somewhere doing something. He had a banner tied across the helm, but can't have a flag? Hmmm.... And lets see, there's press, cameras, teleprompters.....what don't YOU understand?It's not a Press Conference in the White House. The Nation's Capital. Tough when YOUR messiah falters in the same way you criticize Obama, huh?

My point is, this is all silly. If that's the best you have to criticize him by, he must be doing a good job in your estimation! Hell, I can find better things to criticize him over than thatNo Shoot red rider!!.....Bush-like spending for one! Keeping us involved in money-bleeding wars all over the world like a republican for two. Your point about Pelosi is well taken. I get more nervous when flag waving or Bible tumping zealots tell me what's good for me!

The point in the original post was not to compare this clown to any past president but to show his complete disregard/respect for our country in the Nation's Capital. Once again your only defense of obama is to show that nimrod Bush in a photo opp in BFE.

huntinman
06-06-2010, 03:16 PM
It's OK with me. The flag looks much better without Bambi's big ears in the way.

road kill
06-06-2010, 04:13 PM
What part of "Press Conference" don't you understand, Dave. Also, this was taken on a ship where even the Prez doesn't have full control. I think obama has full control of what happens in the White House.


We happen to disagree on this one!!!:D



rk

M&K's Retrievers
06-06-2010, 04:34 PM
We happen to disagree on this one!!!:D



rk

Maybe I should have said Soros(sp)

subroc
06-06-2010, 04:46 PM
Dave

Here is the image you were looking for:

http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/027229.jpg

depittydawg
06-06-2010, 05:48 PM
What part of "Press Conference" don't you understand, Dave. Also, this was taken on a ship where even the Prez doesn't have full control. I think obama has full control of what happens in the White House.
An US aircraft carrier to be precise. Guess they don't have flags on military ships eh?

Buzz
06-06-2010, 06:03 PM
I distinctly remembered this one that Bush did in Crawford.
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j191/mikesamerica/mikesamerica2/untitled.jpg

M&K's Retrievers
06-06-2010, 06:54 PM
I distinctly remembered this one that Bush did in Crawford.
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j191/mikesamerica/mikesamerica2/untitled.jpg

Buzz, you know damn well that was not a formal Press Conference and neither was the photo opp on the carrier.

dnf777
06-06-2010, 07:00 PM
Buzz, you know damn well that was not a formal Press Conference and neither was the photo opp on the carrier.



Yeah Deppity....ships NEVER have flags on them! Especially Navy ships. And Bush isn't in control of anything there....he's just Commander in Chief of all US Armed Forces.

Ah, this is so silly. Who started this crap?

M&K's Retrievers
06-06-2010, 07:42 PM
Yeah Deppity....ships NEVER have flags on them! Especially Navy ships. And Bush isn't in control of anything there....he's just Commander in Chief of all US Armed Forces.

Ah, this is so silly. Who started this crap?

I did and you know it. Retreat when your beat.

Buzz
06-06-2010, 08:02 PM
Best I can figure out, it came from that bastion of rational and patriotic political discourse, freerepublic.com. At least this guy claims to have been the one who did the original detective work. He did an extremely exhaustive search through the archives of presidential press conference photographs. :rolleyes::confused:;-)

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:eJbQ44BXUQgJ:www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2522855/posts+obama+press+conference+flag+free+republic&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=safari

Excuse me, I thought the headlines said first American President to do a press conference without an American Flag in the background. I didn't think that implied "formal" press conference, but you are welcome to set the conditions any way you see fit to serve your purposes.

I'm not entirely sure what to make of this:

http://www.bremenbaseball.com/whm/west-wing/press-briefing-room/press-briefing-room-1986-reagan.jpg

I'll be sitting on the edge of my seat to see what Obama is accused of next. I shouldn't take long, as it seems like several pieces if $h!t get flung against the wall each and every day. There are virtually millions of Great Americans all across the internets banging their fingers against their keyboards at a feverish rate, working to save this Great Republic from the likes of the terrorist in the White House and all those other terrorists he likes to pal around with.

M&K's Retrievers
06-06-2010, 09:18 PM
Best I can figure out, it came from that bastion of rational and patriotic political discourse, freerepublic.com. At least this guy claims to have been the one who did the original detective work. He did an extremely exhaustive search through the archives of presidential press conference photographs. :rolleyes::confused:;-)

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:eJbQ44BXUQgJ:www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2522855/posts+obama+press+conference+flag+free+republic&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=safari

Excuse me, I thought the headlines said first American President to do a press conference without an American Flag in the background. I didn't think that implied "formal" press conference, Excuse me for giving you more credit for smarts than I should but you are welcome to set the conditions any way you see fit to serve your purposes.

I'm not entirely sure what to make of this:

http://www.bremenbaseball.com/whm/west-wing/press-briefing-room/press-briefing-room-1986-reagan.jpg

I'll be sitting on the edge of my seat to see what Obama is accused of next. Don't sit there too long because he is going to pull that seat out from under you. I shouldn't take long, as it seems like several pieces if $h!t get flung against the wall each and every day. There are virtually millions of Great Americans all across the internets banging their fingers against their keyboards at a feverish rate, working to save this Great Republic from the likes of the terrorist in the White House and all those other terrorists he likes to pal around with. You said it , not me.

...............

dnf777
06-06-2010, 10:09 PM
I'll be sitting on the edge of my seat to see what Obama is accused of next. I shouldn't take long, as it seems like several pieces if $h!t get flung against the wall each and every day.

This current minority party has really been disappointing. Yes, there are many things I don't like about this president, but if he fails, we all fail. I believe this GOP would rather see the country fail, that give Obama a passing grade. I remember Nixon, I was very young, Ford, Carter, Reagan, and so on. All presidents get $hit from the opposing side of the aisle, but this is so ridiculous and over the top, I don't recall either party being so venomous in the past.

There are plenty of policy issues to attack him on....but all we seem to hear are cries of socialism, fascist, cartoons of witch doctors in Africa, that he's ashamed of America, he removes flags from podiums......

Perhaps it is because things ARE better than they were when he inherited the office. For some, maybe it's because he's not only a democrat, but a black democrat? I'm in no way saying race is the prime motivator, or that any more than a small minority feel that way, but we've certainly seen many racist cartoons and quips that can't be ignored. (I try to, anyway)

We used to hear at least some legit complaints, such as the cash-for-clunker program, and how it didn't work. Now that GM (goobermint motors, I believe it was referred to) has repaid the bailout money 5 years ahead of schedule and the American automobile industry didn't cave in completely, we don't hear about it anymore. Rather, we post pictures of our national symbol defecating on him!

What happened to legitimate political discourse?

M&K's Retrievers
06-06-2010, 11:09 PM
This current minority party has really been disappointing. Yes, there are many things I don't like about this president, but if he fails, we all fail. I believe this GOP would rather see the country fail, that give Obama a passing grade. Key word here is "give". He hasn't earned anything but criticism. I remember Nixon, I was very young, Ford, Carter, Reagan, and so on. All presidents get $hit from the opposing side of the aisle, but this is so ridiculous and over the top, I don't recall either party being so venomous in the past.You blast Bush a the drop of a hat. In fact you may be the worst on this forum in that regard.

There are plenty of policy issues to attack him on....but all we seem to hear are cries of socialism, fascist, cartoons of witch doctors in Africa, that he's ashamed of America, he removes flags from podiums......

Perhaps it is because things ARE better than they were when he inherited the office Name some. Unemployment? That's a joke. Transparency? Our image in the world? Economy? Health care? Housing market?. For some, maybe it's because he's not only a democrat, but a black democrat? I'm in no way saying race is the prime motivator, or that any more than a small minority feel that way, but we've certainly seen many racist cartoons and quips that can't be ignored. (I try to, anyway)

We used to hear at least some legit complaints, such as the cash-for-clunker program, and how it didn't work. Now that GM (goobermint motors, I believe it was referred to) has repaid the bailout money 5 years ahead of schedule That's debatable. and the American automobile industry didn't cave in completely, we don't hear about it anymore. Rather, we post pictures of our national symbol defecating on him! We? You got a mouse in your pocket? I agree. That sucked

What happened to legitimate political discourse?

Dave, have you seen too many patients? :rolleyes:

dnf777
06-06-2010, 11:22 PM
Dave, have you seen too many patients? :rolleyes:

My "blasting of Bush" is in response to his numerous failed policies and initiatives. We've had this discussion before, and me and a few others generally agree to give the POTUS the respect they deserve, along with the criticism. It is completely different to criticize policy, and to name call and insult on baseless grounds.

You have not heard me refer to him as anything other than Mr. Bush or Pres. Bush, or on occasion, GWB. Never Dumbya, nor did I post pictures of him as a toilet bowl. I have too much respect...if not for the man, the office and the country.

It is our duty as Patriotic Americans to criticize the gov't, the president, congressmen, or anyone else with whom we disagree.

M&K's Retrievers
06-06-2010, 11:41 PM
My "blasting of Bush" is in response to his numerous failed policies and initiatives.......

WTF does that have to do with the current unqualified occupant of the White House? Why can't you give Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, etc. a rest. They are gone. It's the current guy we have to deal with.

depittydawg
06-07-2010, 01:55 AM
WTF does that have to do with the current unqualified occupant of the White House? Why can't you give Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, etc. a rest. They are gone. It's the current guy we have to deal with.

Your comment of 'unqualified' needs to be taken in context of the list of previous presidents you cited. When viewed in that context, Obama is as qualified as any on the list. In fact some of the least "qualified" on paper presidents we've had have done great jobs in the white house, and the opposite is also true. Unqualified men in the White House could certainly include Abraham Lincoln, Ronald Reagan and Harry Truman. All regarded as pretty good Presidents by history.
By contemporary standards few would deny that Al Gore was much more qualified than Bush in 2000. Probably the most qualified President in my lifetime was George Bush Sr. And his place in history is secured as a mediocre President at best.
When it comes to being an executive, especially the Chief Executive, it's a crap shoot. That's why I keep saying the jury is still out. Don't right the guy off yet. He's just getting started. With problems come opportunities. And he inherited a boat load. Obama certainly has the opportunity to be a great President. Time will tell if it happens or not. But the fat lady hasn't sung yet.

M&K's Retrievers
06-07-2010, 02:12 AM
.... But the fat lady hasn't sung yet.

Yes she has. Inna Gadda Da Vida, Iron Butterfly. Oh. Did I mix up the threads? :rolleyes:

M&K's Retrievers
06-07-2010, 02:20 AM
Your comment of 'unqualified' needs to be taken in context of the list of previous presidents you cited.No it doesn't. When viewed in that context, Obama is as qualified as any on the list.

no he isn't. In fact some of the least "qualified" on paper presidents we've had have done great jobs in the white house, and the opposite is also true. Unqualified men in the White House could certainly include Abraham Lincoln, Ronald Reagan and Harry Truman. All regarded as pretty good Presidents by history.
By contemporary standards few would deny that Al Gore was much more qualified than Bush in 2000. Qualified to do what? Con people out of their money with his global warming BS? Probably the most qualified President in my lifetime was George Bush Sr. And his place in history is secured as a mediocre President at best.
When it comes to being an executive, especially the Chief Executive, it's a crap shoot. That's why I keep saying the jury is still out. Don't right the guy off yet. He's just getting started. With problems come opportunities. And he inherited a boat load. Obama certainly has the opportunity to be a great President. Time will tell if it happens or not. But the fat lady hasn't sung yet.

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depittydawg
06-07-2010, 02:57 AM
Yes she has. Inna Gadda Da Vida, Iron Butterfly. Oh. Did I mix up the threads? :rolleyes:

I think you meant Janis Joplin... :confused:

dnf777
06-07-2010, 05:42 AM
WTF does that have to do with the current unqualified occupant of the White House? Why can't you give Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, etc. a rest. They are gone. It's the current guy we have to deal with.

Uhhh....YOU are the one who brought up Bush in this regard by accusing me of "blasting" him. Can't I respond to your accusation, or do you expect legs in the air at all your claims?

I was only answering the question "have you ever seen?" that was posed by the OP, and that answer was YES. Surely you would want qualification of that answer? I know, having it revealed that YOUR guy did the same thing everyone is bashing Obama for really sucks! Podiums without flags, out of control spending, expansion of gov't, erosion of privacy....... Don't worry, we're all in this together!