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signgirl
06-09-2010, 01:27 PM
Blew my knee out Monday..not the first time.

Saw my own Doctor within one day, had an X-ray at a privately owned clinic, got my appointment with the orthopedic specialist....August 3rd...that is the first emergency date he has available...

So there you go...I am lucky because I have a family Doctor...millions here do not. If I was about to expire from some accident or ailment, the treatment would be immediate. Because I am just in agony, but not going to die from it, I get to wait.

Howard Dean was debating here the other night...Canadian vs U.S. health care...he was arguing for Canadian style. Be careful what you wish for.

huntinman
06-09-2010, 01:29 PM
so what do you do between now and Aug 3rd? Wear a brace? Take lots of aspirin?

ducknwork
06-09-2010, 02:07 PM
Shhhhh....Don't tell the obamacare lovers...

Hunchaser
06-10-2010, 12:55 AM
Up here in Alberta a lady has been denied cancer treatment because there isn't enough staff. I'm not sure why but the medical people are either not receiving enough pay and have gone elsewhere or the goverment has cut back on staff. Anyway so much for universal health care.

signgirl
06-10-2010, 06:34 AM
Up here in Alberta a lady has been denied cancer treatment because there isn't enough staff. I'm not sure why but the medical people are either not receiving enough pay and have gone elsewhere or the goverment has cut back on staff. Anyway so much for universal health care.

Further to that...in 2005 my mom was in the operating room, prepped and ready for eye surgery when the nurses announced that the shift was over and they were not allowed to work overtime. My mom was sent home and it was 3 weeks before she was rescheduled...she had a macular hole and as it turned out, detached retina.

There are only a handful of surgeons in Canada that can do these surgeries and so their clinics get the worst of the worst cases..If I recall, Mom's surgeon said there are only 2 graduating per year for this Specialty.....in all of Canada.

dnf777
06-10-2010, 06:56 AM
Up here in Alberta a lady has been denied cancer treatment because there isn't enough staff. I'm not sure why but the medical people are either not receiving enough pay and have gone elsewhere or the goverment has cut back on staff. Anyway so much for universal health care.

She can come join our club of 40 million in the same boat. Our clinic just saw a 51 year old with metastatic, locally advanced breast cancer, who was diagnosed 5 years ago, but didn't get treated because she didn't want to burden her family with bills. True, she could have gotten treated, and just declared bancrupcy.

ducknwork
06-10-2010, 07:01 AM
She can come join our club of 40 million in the same boat. Our clinic just saw a 51 year old with metastatic, locally advanced breast cancer, who was diagnosed 5 years ago, but didn't get treated because she didn't want to burden her family with bills. True, she could have gotten treated, and just declared bancrupcy.

The difference is that she had the option to get treated. She made her own decision to not go. The canadian example did not have any choice in whether or not she received treatment. The government should not be able to tell me when I go to the doctor. MY money, MY choice.

YardleyLabs
06-10-2010, 07:47 AM
Blew my knee out Monday..not the first time.

Saw my own Doctor within one day, had an X-ray at a privately owned clinic, got my appointment with the orthopedic specialist....August 3rd...that is the first emergency date he has available...

So there you go...I am lucky because I have a family Doctor...millions here do not. If I was about to expire from some accident or ailment, the treatment would be immediate. Because I am just in agony, but not going to die from it, I get to wait.

Howard Dean was debating here the other night...Canadian vs U.S. health care...he was arguing for Canadian style. Be careful what you wish for.
At about the same time you posted this, I called my doctor's office. I have been running a low grade fever for two weeks and having on-going problems breathing (I'm asthmatic, and somewhat used to this). The first appointment I could get was for June 17. They finally scheduled me with a different physician (also the one that saw me when I broke my leg because my primary wasn't available) for later today. She was available only because she was terminated for not seeing enough patients and will be gone in another two weeks. In both cases, my alternative, in the absence of this terminated physician (who is actually outstanding), was to go to the emergency room. I am so thankful to have an outstanding medical plan with one of the top group practices in the region for my primary care physician.

Sorry about your knee.

depittydawg
06-10-2010, 10:20 AM
Blew my knee out Monday..not the first time.

Saw my own Doctor within one day, had an X-ray at a privately owned clinic, got my appointment with the orthopedic specialist....August 3rd...that is the first emergency date he has available...

So there you go...I am lucky because I have a family Doctor...millions here do not. If I was about to expire from some accident or ailment, the treatment would be immediate. Because I am just in agony, but not going to die from it, I get to wait.

Howard Dean was debating here the other night...Canadian vs U.S. health care...he was arguing for Canadian style. Be careful what you wish for.

In United States you would likely be denied by your insurance company as a pre-existing condition at this point. Be careful what you complain about.

ducknwork
06-10-2010, 12:14 PM
In United States you would likely be denied by your insurance company as a pre-existing condition at this point. Be careful what you complain about.

Sarcasm (I hope) noted, but if not sarcasm, then this is BS and you know it...Stick to the talking points though!

depittydawg
06-10-2010, 05:27 PM
Sarcasm (I hope) noted, but if not sarcasm, then this is BS and you know it...Stick to the talking points though!

Haven't had much experience with insurance companies? Well I have. What I said is NOT a stretch by any means. It's happened to me and many people I know including family and friends. Just this month, an 18 year old nephew who needs a liver transplant was denied by their insurance company. It's a half million for the transplant. Insurance company said sorry, not covered.

depittydawg
06-10-2010, 05:27 PM
Haven't had much experience with insurance companies? Well I have. What I said is NOT a stretch by any means. It's happened to me and many people I know including family and friends. Just this month, an 18 year old nephew who needs a liver transplant was denied by their insurance company. It's a half million for the transplant. Insurance company said sorry, not covered.

BTW, according to the doctors, he will be dead within 5 years without it.

huntinman
06-10-2010, 05:39 PM
BTW, according to the doctors, he will be dead within 5 years without it.

Will Obamacare help him at all? It doesn't kick in for 4 years. Hope he pulls through.

ducknwork
06-11-2010, 07:06 AM
Haven't had much experience with insurance companies? Well I have. What I said is NOT a stretch by any means. It's happened to me and many people I know including family and friends. Just this month, an 18 year old nephew who needs a liver transplant was denied by their insurance company. It's a half million for the transplant. Insurance company said sorry, not covered.

Why is it not covered?

Sorry to hear about that. I'll say a prayer for him!

depittydawg
06-11-2010, 09:58 AM
Why is it not covered?

Sorry to hear about that. I'll say a prayer for him!

Thanks. I'm doing the same.

depittydawg
06-11-2010, 10:02 AM
Will Obamacare help him at all? It doesn't kick in for 4 years. Hope he pulls through.

To be honest, I have no idea what Obama care will do or when it might do it. I don't think anybody understands that mess. But their family will find a way. A half million is a lot, but they are a tight strong Christian group of Entrepreneurs. If a transplant becomes available, he will get it one way or another. You do what you have to do. I know if it was my kid, I'd sell everything to give him a shot.

huntinman
06-11-2010, 10:10 AM
To be honest, I have no idea what Obama care will do or when it might do it. I don't think anybody understands that mess. But their family will find a way. A half million is a lot, but they are a tight strong Christian group of Entrepreneurs. If a transplant becomes available, he will get it one way or another. You do what you have to do. I know if it was my kid, I'd sell everything to give him a shot.

Amen on that.

KEITH L
06-11-2010, 04:42 PM
i had the chance to live in alberta and experience canadian health care.
long story short version my youngest son 6 or 7 at the time cut his throat
open during a camping accident after a trip to emergency about 6 in evening.
i was told as i carried him in pools of blood spurting through my fingers.
that we would have to wait our turn 2 others were before us. as i asked for there
permission to go before them. i then grab the doctor swore at him and told
him i would harm him if he waited another second. we then proceeded. last
year my neighbor learned the quality life of a emergency room in canada.
i could go on and on hate typing and dont have the time. if you wish to have
this type of health care go ahead easy to immigrate to canada it was a great
place to live. the health care sucked.....

keith l.
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blind ambition
06-11-2010, 05:35 PM
Keith,
I'm really sorry to hear of your poor experience in a Canadian hospital and just let you know that I've lived my whole life in Canada and have never seen a real emergency be triaged behind a non emergency. And to the OP, sorry for your knee, my understand is that Orthopedic Surgeons are in short supply in many areas of N.America due to guys my age wanting new hips and knees in numbers not enough medical schools had anticipated in time to train sufficient surgeons.

I don't think there is a single Canadian who you will tell you they have been dropped by their insurance carrier for a pre-existing illness, or because they let a payment lapse or that they couldn't get or afford their Provincial coverage if they worked.

depittydawg
06-11-2010, 07:31 PM
Keith,
I'm really sorry to hear of your poor experience in a Canadian hospital and just let you know that I've lived my whole life in Canada and have never seen a real emergency be triaged behind a non emergency. And to the OP, sorry for your knee, my understand is that Orthopedic Surgeons are in short supply in many areas of N.America due to guys my age wanting new hips and knees in numbers not enough medical schools had anticipated in time to train sufficient surgeons.

I don't think there is a single Canadian who you will tell you they have been dropped by their insurance carrier for a pre-existing illness, or because they let a payment lapse or that they couldn't get or afford their Provincial coverage if they worked.

I know a few Canadians and have heard testimony from many others. Your testimony mirrors most everyone else I've spoke too who have lived there. While no system is perfect, the overall attitude by Canadians seems to be "don't mess with my healthcare".

Clint Watts
06-13-2010, 01:28 AM
I know a few Canadians and have heard testimony from many others. Your testimony mirrors most everyone else I've spoke too who have lived there. While no system is perfect, the overall attitude by Canadians seems to be "don't mess with my healthcare".

I do believe the majority of Americans have been saying the same thing.