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david gibson
06-18-2010, 07:16 AM
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE65G64820100617?type=politicsNews


makes you wonder, maybe the f-22 was scrapped last year because they caught wind of this and are already working on the next fighter to top this one, or was scrapping the f-22 the major blunder it appeared to be at the time??

Hew
06-18-2010, 08:45 AM
This probably tells us all we need to know about how good the plane is relative to our stuff:



Putin said the plane would cost up to three times less than similar aircraft in the West ...


Expect to see them crashing at airshows all over Europe in the near future. ;-)

Buzz
06-18-2010, 08:50 AM
Prime Minister Vladimir Putin climbed into the cockpit of Russia's newest fighter jet on Thursday and said it would trump a U.S.-built rival, the F-22 Raptor.

What would we expect him to say, this plane really sucks compared to the F-22, but hey, they cost 3 times less, so we'll just crank out a $h!t pile of them?

david gibson
06-18-2010, 09:07 AM
This probably tells us all we need to know about how good the plane is relative to our stuff:



Expect to see them crashing at airshows all over Europe in the near future. ;-)

that might be true if they were being built by private companies with union labor and such, but they have a lot cheaper labor than we do and less corporate profits. i wouldnt write them off so quickly, its not like the migs are worthless.

Hew
06-18-2010, 09:50 AM
that might be true if they were being built by private companies with union labor and such, but they have a lot cheaper labor than we do and less corporate profits.
Good point, but on the flip-side, they also have to contend with mob payoffs, corrupt govt. officials with their hands out and incompetent/uneducated workers....which drive costs up.

Eric Johnson
06-18-2010, 10:10 AM
The F-22 is essentially an air superiority fighter. Absent the threat, there just wasn't any need for more of these. There are 13 squadrons with them though a couple of the squadrons are T&E type units. At any rate, there are about 140 F-22 in the inventory with production covered through about 185 airframes. The death knell was sort of that in all of our military actions in Iraq and Afghanistan...didn't need them.

The F-35 is really a somewhat more versatile aircraft at a lower cost. The plan had always been to have far more F-35's than F-22's.....something like 10 to 1. The plan still seems to be about 2200 F-35's in all variants.

I note that the T-50 has been delayed several years and is just now in a flight testing mode whereas the F-22 was being tested in the 90's. Plans are to sell about 50% of the production to the third world. Given the training and costs and need for this kind of system, that remains to be seen.

Both are built by Lockheed-Martin. I'll bet that if the need arises, L-M could start production of more fairly quickly.

In Red Flag exercises, the F-22 has more than held it's own such that the relatively small numbers are made up for by effectiveness.

Eric

depittydawg
06-18-2010, 04:52 PM
Good point, but on the flip-side, they also have to contend with mob payoffs, corrupt govt. officials with their hands out and incompetent/uneducated workers....which drive costs up.

Good point. It also drives reliability down.