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Doc E
06-18-2010, 08:51 AM
Obama Gives Back Major Strip of AZ to Mexico
The federal government is now telling American citizens to stay out of three southern Arizona counties. It is too dangerous because of armed smugglers from Mexico.

Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu: Quite frankly I’m telling you as a sheriff that we don’t control that part of the county. My county is larger than the state of Connecticut and we need support from the federal government. It’s their job to secure the border and they haven’t done it. In fact President Obama suspended the construction of the fence.

FOX News reporter: Would you like to see some of the president’s outrage about the oil spill and some of the butt-kicking that he’s talked about doing applied there on the border as well?

Sheriff Paul Babeu: Even with that, you say one thing and then you’re out at a fundraiser in California and you don’t go to the funeral of the people who died in the explosion. You know its one thing to say something slick on television in a ten second soundbite but we need action. And, it’s shameful that we as the most powerful nation on earth can win wars and liberate countries throughout history yet we can’t even secure our own border.

Here's the link ----> http://www.thefoxnation.com/gulf-coast-oil-spill/2010/06/15/obama-gives-back-major-strip-az-mexico

More here ----> http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/06/16/closes-park-land-mexico-border-americans/

Franco
06-18-2010, 08:59 AM
Arizona knows they can't count of the Federal government for anything!

They need to do what they need to do. I would place sniper teams with night vision and give them the approval to take out anyone carrying an assualt weapon.

These thugs know the Feds are weak so they will continue to take advantage of the people of Arizona.

Here is more treason from the Feds
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/17/white-house-doj-not-denyi_n_616306.html

Doc E
06-18-2010, 09:19 AM
Franco
How about this ?

ACTION ALERT!

Border Ops:

Vekol Valley, Arizona

Saturday, 19th of June 2010

Situation-
Armed Narco-Terrorists are bringing in loads of Chemical Warfare into our nation. These incursions should be treated no less serious than Al-Qaeda terrorists smuggling Sarin nerve agent into our population centers.

Equipment-
Camouflage or earth tone clothing preferred. Plenty of water and water containers. MRE's or field prepared meals are a plus. Valid I.D. on person and emergency contact information required. Military related gear a plus. Helmets, body armor, or related gear welcome but not required. Bring plenty of firearms and ammo. Bandanas, balaclavas, or other identity concealing items are permissible and encouraged.

Training-
Firearms safety brief and Rules of Engagement will be covered for all interested parties.

Action-
Show of force and solidarity of concerned patriots. NSM, Constitutional groups, Militias, Biker MC's, National Guard, Military, multi-state participation groups, etcetera; to stand the line near Interstate 8 to show the world that the line in the sand has been drawn. This is a completely legal venture and utmost professionalism and self-restraint is recommended.

Local media contact-
JT Ready

480-255-5266 480-255-5266

Details of area will be given to confirmed participants only.

No media statements without prior authorization please.

This is the Minuteman Project on steroids!

THE INVASION STOPS HERE!

(please forward to as many groups and persons as you can)




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Franco
06-18-2010, 09:26 AM
I would prefer to see the Az State Guard handle this but then again, it is situations like this, when our Federal Governemnt fails to protect its people that the 2nd Amendment comes into play.

freefall319
06-18-2010, 09:28 AM
ARE YOU F*&*ING SERIOUS! We need to Impeech Obama now and take our country back! I fought and bled for this country and I will not sit back and watch American citizens be told they can't go into an area because of terrorist's that have taken over and our Govt. is doing NOTHING to stop it. WTF!

How dare him spit in the face of America like that. Tell us we cant go into our own National Park because of armed gunmen and do NOTHING about it. What the hell is going on with our country.

Go ahead Obama fan's, talk our way out of this one............

Doc E
06-18-2010, 09:30 AM
"A well armed militia............."



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Franco
06-18-2010, 09:36 AM
I wouldn't doubt that Obama has already consulted with his campaign advisors on this situation.

In all my life, I have never seen a clearer case of Treason by our Federal Government.

david gibson
06-18-2010, 09:38 AM
ARE YOU F*&*ING SERIOUS! We need to Impeech Obama now and take our country back! I fought and bled for this country and I will not sit back and watch American citizens be told they can't go into an area because of terrorist's that have taken over and our Govt. is doing NOTHING to stop it. WTF!

How dare him spit in the face of America like that. Tell us we cant go into our own National Park because of armed gunmen and do NOTHING about it. What the hell is going on with our country.

Go ahead Obama fan's, talk our way out of this one............

its predictable. "he inherited this problem from Bush"

depittydawg
06-18-2010, 09:38 AM
Arizona knows they can't count of the Federal government for anything!

They need to do what they need to do. I would place sniper teams with night vision and give them the approval to take out anyone carrying an assualt weapon.

These thugs know the Feds are weak so they will continue to take advantage of the people of Arizona.

Here is more treason from the Feds
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/17/white-house-doj-not-denyi_n_616306.html

Why not just have the dimwit Governor of Arizona declare war on Mexico. Do you guys have a National Guard? Heck, you don't need the federal government. Who do they think they are anyways.

david gibson
06-18-2010, 09:45 AM
Why not just have the dimwit Governor of Arizona declare war on Mexico. Do you guys have a National Guard? Heck, you don't need the federal government. Who do they think they are anyways.

why would you call her a dimwit? what has she done to merit that name?

Franco
06-18-2010, 09:54 AM
Why not just have the dimwit Governor of Arizona declare war on Mexico. Do you guys have a National Guard? Heck, you don't need the federal government. Who do they think they are anyways.

Why don't we just give parts of Oregon to the Mexican drug cartels? We could start with your county and the two adjacent to you.

I salute the Gov of Arizona for trying to take care of her state!

huntinman
06-18-2010, 09:55 AM
why would you call her a dimwit? what has she done to merit that name?

That's the only response the libs have to strong conservative women, or blacks that may be conservative. If they don't agree with the libs, they must be dumb... I hope they keep talking like that all the way through the next couple of elections. Their elected leaders have done a lot of damage in a short amount of time, but we can start turning it around soon.

JDogger
06-18-2010, 11:58 AM
its predictable. "he inherited this problem from Bush"

Wasn't this area closed in 2006?

Blackstone
06-18-2010, 12:10 PM
I agree that the Feds need to do whatever is necessary to control this situation, and reclaim U.S. lands. However, before you whip yourselves into a frenzy (probably too late for that), and blame it on Obama, let’s look at the facts. The problem of illegals using U.S. public park land for growing drugs, and smuggling drugs and illegals into this country has been a critical problem since about 2003, not only in AZ but in CA as well.

This Fox News story is misleading at best. Fox should have done more research before airing this report. I don’t know when the U.S. Fish & Wildlife posted signs about the closure, but that stretch of the park has been closed to public access since October 6, 2006 for human safety concerns because of a marked increase in violence along the border due to human and drug trafficking. A notice of the closure, including a map has been on the Buenos Aires National Wildlife Refuge website since 2006. You can go to their website and check it out for yourself.

http://www.fws.gov/southwest/refuges/arizona/buenosaires/

It is obvious that Fox News is biased against Obama in their reporting. It is also obvious that Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu also has a personal axe to grind against Obama because he would have, or should have, know about the closure in 2006 and the previous problems that led to it. When you consider his comments diveated from illegal drug trafficers to where Obama was during the funerals of workers kill on the oil rig, it is blatently clear he has a personal dislike for Obama. Now, that’s his right, but to try to claim Obama is ceding lands to Mexico or Mexican illegals is rediculious. According to the U.S Fish & Wildlife website, violence has actually decreased ( http://www.fws.gov/southwest/docs/MediaAdvisory.BorderRefugeOpen.62010.pdf ). Could this guy just be reacting to the Obama administration’s investigation of the new immigration law in AZ?

gman0046
06-18-2010, 12:15 PM
At least the Governor of Arizona is trying to enforce Federal laws already on the books. Obongo won't touch the subject.

Blackstone
06-18-2010, 12:24 PM
ARE YOU F*&*ING SERIOUS! We need to Impeech Obama now and take our country back! I fought and bled for this country and I will not sit back and watch American citizens be told they can't go into an area because of terrorist's that have taken over and our Govt. is doing NOTHING to stop it. WTF!

How dare him spit in the face of America like that. Tell us we cant go into our own National Park because of armed gunmen and do NOTHING about it. What the hell is going on with our country.

Go ahead Obama fan's, talk our way out of this one............

Before you impeech Obama for his imcompetience in this matter, you might want to get all the facts. If you were going to take back the country you fought and bled for, you should have taken it back from the previous administration. That part of the park has been closed since 2006.

http://www.fws.gov/southwest/docs/MediaAdvisory.BorderRefugeOpen.62010.pdf

Blackstone
06-18-2010, 12:33 PM
At least the Governor of Arizona is trying to enforce Federal laws already on the books. Obongo won't touch the subject.

Guess what, none of Obama's predecessors would touch it either. ;-)

freefall319
06-18-2010, 12:43 PM
Before you impeech Obama for his imcompetience in this matter, you might want to get all the facts. If you were going to take back the country you fought and bled for, you should have taken it back from the previous administration. That part of the park has been closed since 2006.

http://www.fws.gov/southwest/docs/MediaAdvisory.BorderRefugeOpen.62010.pdf

I dont give a crap who started it, it needs to be delt with and finished NOW, period.

Hoosier
06-18-2010, 12:51 PM
Guess what, none of Obama's predecessors would touch it either. ;-)

As much as I hate Obami, I agree with this 100%. That's one of the things I really did not like with Bush. He didn't want to take a hard line on immigration and it really screwed us. If he would have dealt with it early in his first term it wouldn't have gotten this far out of hand.

That being said Obami is now in a much better position to deal with it. His party is in control of the White House, Senate, and the House. He should ram rod a seal the borders, and deportation plan through, like he did Obami Care.

Blackstone
06-18-2010, 12:51 PM
I dont give a crap who started it, it needs to be delt with and finished NOW, period.

Oh, now that you know it wasn't Obama that "spit in the face of America" by closing parts of the park, you don't give a crap who started it? :rolleyes: That's pretty typical for anti-Obama fans.

freefall319
06-18-2010, 01:02 PM
Oh, now that you know it wasn't Obama that "spit in the face of America" by closing parts of the park, you don't give a crap who started it? :rolleyes: That's pretty typical for anti-Obama fans.

Please, I'll be the first to say if Bush allowed this then he's the one who spit in our faces. I'm more Right than Left but not to the point that I cant see the truth. I am an AMERICAN not a Republican or Dem. I agree that this should have been handled at the time it happened. This is the first I've seen of it. But, since it landed in his lap and is a direct threat to the citizens of this nation he should handle it, period. He got on his soap box screaming change, well, start changing this then. Put boot's on the ground and bodies in the dirt and take back our land and make it safe for the citizens again.

Blackstone
06-18-2010, 01:03 PM
Why not just have the dimwit Governor of Arizona declare war on Mexico. Do you guys have a National Guard? Heck, you don't need the federal government. Who do they think they are anyways.

I seriously doubt she's a "dimwit" and there's no reason to refer to her that way (unless you know something we don't). I may not agree with some of what she's done, but there's no need to resort to name calling.

Blackstone
06-18-2010, 01:11 PM
Please, I'll be the first to say if Bush allowed this then he's the one who spit in our faces. I'm more Right than Left but not to the point that I cant see the truth. I am an AMERICAN not a Republican or Dem. I agree that this should have been handled at the time it happened. This is the first I've seen of it. But, since it landed in his lap and is a direct threat to the citizens of this nation he should handle it, period. He got on his soap box screaming change, well, start changing this then. Put boot's on the ground and bodies in the dirt and take back our land and make it safe for the citizens again.

Now, that I can agree with. Apparently, the situation has gotten better thanks to the combined efforts of U.S. Fish &Wildlife and the U.S. Customs and Border Protection. However, there is still no plan to reopen that stretch of the park any time soon. I think Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu was embellishing the story for his own reasons. Still, I would like to see U.S. public land secure enough that any citizen can use them, and feel safe doing it.

Gerry Clinchy
06-18-2010, 01:36 PM
Oh, now that you know it wasn't Obama that "spit in the face of America" by closing parts of the park, you don't give a crap who started it?

I believe that Obama's campaign was for "change" ... so it is not unreasonable to expect that he would change those things that needed changing.

Obviously, armed foreign nationals controlling portions of one of the United States should be considered a pretty serious situation requiring changing ... and sooner rather than later.

Blackstone
06-18-2010, 01:51 PM
I believe that Obama's campaign was for "change" ... so it is not unreasonable to expect that he would change those things that needed changing.

Obviously, armed foreign nationals controlling portions of one of the United States should be considered a pretty serious situation requiring changing ... and sooner rather than later.

If it was an easy problem to fix, I'm sure it would have been fixed already, and long before it fell into Obama's lap. He promised change, but when he tries to change something, you complain, and when he doesn't change something, you're complaining. No matter what he does, you're probably still going to complain.

david gibson
06-18-2010, 01:58 PM
If it was an easy problem to fix, I'm sure it would have been fixed already, and long before it fell into Obama's lap. He promised change, but when he tries to change something he tramples on everything american and leans toward the solcialist ideas of his past mentors, you complain, and when he doesn't change something, its because he is too inept to carry out what he puts out of his mouth. you're complaining. No matter what he does, you're probably still going to complain.

there you go - fixed it for ya.

Franco
06-18-2010, 02:21 PM
Just for the record, I have accused G W Bush of being Treasonist for failure to protect US citizens from the illegal invasion in the past right here on RTF!

Hopefully the Republicans have learned thier lesson that it doesn't pay to pander to the Hispanic vote.

gman0046
06-18-2010, 02:28 PM
Franco, do you mean the way the Democrats are pandering.

Gerry Clinchy
06-18-2010, 02:28 PM
If it was an easy problem to fix, I'm sure it would have been fixed already, and long before it fell into Obama's lap.

Does this also mean we should not call to task his predecessors for not having fixed the problem either?


He promised change, but when he tries to change something, you complain,

Change without improvement can be worse than no change at all ...most especially when it comes to Federal bureaucracy.


No matter what he does, you're probably still going to complain.

It's probably true that some would ... but there are also plenty of people who'd be willing to evaluate on a case-by-case basis. Even the greatest President wouldn't expect everybody to agree with all his decisions.

Blackstone
06-18-2010, 02:32 PM
there you go - fixed it for ya.

Thanks for the attempted clarification, but what I said still holds true. In the eyes of those that hate Obama, whatever he does will be wrong, whether it really is or not. This thread is a perfect example. Look how many were calling for Obama's head based on a bogus Fox News story. Yet, no one has bothered to come back and admit closing the park was not his fault. In fact, with your own special brand of sarcasism, you said, "its predictable. "he inherited this problem from Bush"' Well, in fact, he did. Didn't see you acknowledge that.

Franco
06-18-2010, 02:34 PM
Franco, do you mean the way the Democrats are pandering.

When GW Bush was in office, he too turned his back on the American people by allowing the illegal migration. The GOP didn't want to touch the subject in fear of alienating the legal Hispanic vote. In the last election, the Hispanic vote was overwhelmingly for Obama. So, Bush's pandering to the Hispanic vote came back to bite them in the ass.

Both parties have been and continue to sell us out, the American citizen to those wanting an open boarder.

Hoosier
06-18-2010, 02:40 PM
Thanks for the attempted clarification, but what I said still holds true. In the eyes of those that hate Obama, whatever he does will be wrong, whether it really is or not. This thread is a perfect example. Look how many were calling for Obama's head based on a bogus Fox News story. Yet, no one has bothered to come back and admit closing the park was not his fault. In fact, with your own special brand of sarcasism, you said, "its predictable. "he inherited this problem from Bush"' Well, in fact, he did. Didn't see you acknowledge that.

If Obami would push to deport illegals and close the border, I would probably vote for him in the next election. I believe that would do more for the average American then anything the government has done in a couple of hundred years.

Blackstone
06-18-2010, 02:48 PM
Does this also mean we should not call to task his predecessors for not having fixed the problem either?

Of course they should be called to task. If Obama does nothing to correct the problem during his term, he should be held accountable as well. I just think it is going to be a difficult problem to fix. However, it looks like some headway is being made. That probably started before Obama took office, so I'm not trying to give him all the credit.


Change without improvement can be worse than no change at all ...most especially when it comes to Federal bureaucracy.

I agree. However, at this point, it's too early to tell if the changes will lead to improvement or not. History will be the judge of that. In the meantime, we are all just speculating.


It's probably true that some would ... but there are also plenty of people who'd be willing to evaluate on a case-by-case basis. Even the greatest President wouldn't expect everybody to agree with all his decisions.

Evaluating on a case-by-case basis is about all you can ask. However, it seems that those that are the most vocal are unwilling to do that.

BonMallari
06-18-2010, 02:51 PM
Arizona has TWO Republican Senators and a Republican governor...this administration is playing politics....what almost criminal is that the Sec. of Homeland Security is a former AZ governor and she shows no loyalty to her home state

freefall319
06-18-2010, 03:04 PM
There seem's to be too much blaming going on here. Oh, It was Bush's problem first. Oh, Obama did'nt do everythng perfect.............This is the same kind of BS that need's to be pushed aside and ACTION need's to be taken PERIOD! No more talk, no more blame game. Just call up the Guard or whoever else you want to use and take back what is our's. NOW!

david gibson
06-18-2010, 03:12 PM
Thanks for the attempted clarification, but what I said still holds true. In the eyes of those that hate Obama, whatever he does will be wrong, whether it really is or not. This thread is a perfect example. Look how many were calling for Obama's head based on a bogus Fox News story. Yet, no one has bothered to come back and admit closing the park was not his fault. In fact, with your own special brand of sarcasism, you said, "its predictable. "he inherited this problem from Bush"' Well, in fact, he did. Didn't see you acknowledge that.

care to point out where I called for his head for the AZ issue?????

for the bold - i was just predicting your response. no sarcasm involved there, just accuracy.

david gibson
06-18-2010, 03:18 PM
There seem's to be too much blaming going on here. Oh, It was Bush's problem first. Oh, Obama did'nt do everythng perfect.............This is the same kind of BS that need's to be pushed aside and ACTION need's to be taken PERIOD! No more talk, no more blame game. Just call up the Guard or whoever else you want to use and take back what is our's. NOW!

the difference is Bush's presidency cant be resurrected from the dead to fix it!
only one president can fix this mess right now.......and instead of doing that, instead of backing his own people and countrymen - his sec of state is off in foreign countries telling them that our president will side with foreign countries in their opposition to AZ.


DESPICABLE.!!!!

WTF does Ecuador have any business in any domestic US and AZ issue anyway???????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????

this man is out to destroy this country and make all the western hemisphere one sovereign region.

bobbyb
06-18-2010, 03:56 PM
"A well armed militia............."



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OR !! 2 predator drones !!!!!
BobbyB
cajun

huntinman
06-18-2010, 04:02 PM
Arizona has TWO Republican Senators and a Republican governor...this administration is playing politics....what almost criminal is that the Sec. of Homeland Security is a former AZ governor and she shows no loyalty to her home state

Obama did the same thing to TN. We had the worst flooding in the history of the state last month (same weekend as the oil rig explosion). He never bothered to come here and check out the damage. This state voted heavily republican in the last election and he will not give TN the time of day. Everything Obama does is calculated and if he does not think there is a political benefit, he will not bother. The sorriest excuse for a president that we have ever had. He makes Carter look good, which is nearly impossible.

Blackstone
06-18-2010, 04:05 PM
care to point out where I called for his head for the AZ issue?????

I didn't say you specifically called for his head. I said, "Look how many were calling for Obama's head based on a bogus Fox News story." If you were not among that group, it didn't apply to you.


for the bold - i was just predicting your response. no sarcasm involved there, just accuracy.

Pardon me for assuming you were being sarcastic. You are correct and accurate, Obama did inherit the problem from Bush.

Jim Person
06-18-2010, 04:16 PM
It's not just a GW Bush and Obama blame game.. Immigration problems go back to the 70's.. What happened a few years ago means about as much as what happened in the 70's on up... Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush,Reagan,Carter,Ford.......are all to blame with every congress since the 70's...We need to focus our energy and time from this day forward not bicker about what happened in the past. I mean everything, Immigration,Financial,Energy,National Security,Foreign Policy,Environmental etc etc Take your country back by your vote. Make the offices of president,congress,and judicial obey and protect the Constitution period. And become THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA again... Peace out

gman0046
06-18-2010, 04:32 PM
The problem will never be solved. Politicians will never stop pandering for the Hispanic vote. It's time for Americans to take back our country.

depittydawg
06-18-2010, 04:40 PM
At least the Governor of Arizona is trying to enforce Federal laws already on the books. Obongo won't touch the subject.

Enforce the Federal Laws? Ignoring the constitution, at least to us Lib's, is NOT enforcing the federal laws. You can't ignore one part of the law to enforce another. Although her rhetoric and political antics get her base fired up, they do nothing to solve the problems. Kind of like tossing a bowl of gasoline on a fire. Did it put the fire out? What she has tried to do is illegal. It has been stated as such from Republican and Democratic leaders, and just about every legal consultant in the country. Will help her get re-elected? Probably. That is her motive.

Captain Mike D
06-18-2010, 04:54 PM
Why not just have the dimwit Governor of Arizona declare war on Mexico. Do you guys have a National Guard? Heck, you don't need the federal government. Who do they think they are anyways.

Yo, Dipitty Puppy,

Lets see,
dimwit Governor becomes tired of seeing her constituents murdered,and tired of the highest kidnap rate in the country. Does something about it cause the Feds won't. (Basics 101- pass the same law already on the books by the Feds)
I have been a member here since Jan 2006, and have accumulated a little over 600 posts in 4 1/2 years. You on the other hand have over 400 in just a couple of months. You are about to become the first on my ignore list.

I guess it takes special insight to be able to qualify another as a "Dimwit" (no smiley faces intended either)

huntinman
06-18-2010, 04:59 PM
Enforce the Federal Laws? Ignoring the constitution, at least to us Lib's, is NOT enforcing the federal laws. You can't ignore one part of the law to enforce another. Although her rhetoric and political antics get her base fired up, they do nothing to solve the problems. Kind of like tossing a bowl of gasoline on a fire. Did it put the fire out? What she has tried to do is illegal. It has been stated as such from Republican and Democratic leaders, and just about every legal consultant in the country. Will help her get re-elected? Probably. That is her motive.

Like all the others blathering about the AZ bill, I will assume that you have not read it either. Am I correct?

dback
06-18-2010, 05:22 PM
I didn't say you specifically called for his head. I said, "Look how many were calling for Obama's head based on a bogus Fox News story." If you were not among that group, it didn't apply to you.

The story is NOT bogus.....The signage is new and includes numerous parts of the state, not just the one in the News feature. BLM has recently placed signs along a long stretch of area from Gila Bend to Yuma south of I-8 and north of the Barry Goldwater Gunnery Range/Cabeza Prieta NWR (100 miles worth), parts of the Saguaro National Monument, passes east of Douglas, north and west of Casa Grande and a couple of other areas.

Cous and Mule deer permits that were once almost impossible to come by across the southern part of the state are now readily available as you now need a well armed camp guard during the day and an aggressive, alert and loyal dog plus the above mentioned guard for night time duty. Any asshat that chooses to brush this off as mere political posturing is welcome to serve as my camp beotch/guard. I dare say after a week of duty and actually visiting you may have a slight change of attitude. This is what we deal with on a daily basis in the southern stretches of the state.....all of it, not isolated areas http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/002160.html if you don't like that one than just google 'trash left by illegals', you'll get hundreds more.



Pardon me for assuming you were being sarcastic. You are correct and accurate, Obama did inherit the problem from Bush.

You're correct....this problem is decades old, Bush I, Clinton, Bush II all avoided the problem...it's a third rail, however Obama is the first to sue a state in an attempt to stop that state from attempting to enforce Federal immigration law. We would like to Mearns, Gambel, and Scaley Quail hunt....Cous and Mule Deer and Antelope hunt....duck and goose hunt....visit national monuments, camp, bird watch, ride horse back in OUR state without the literal threat of losing ones life to 'drug/human smugglers'. What in the hell is so difficult to understand in that statement? Yet.....we have fellow Americans condemning us, boycotting us, suing us with no thought given to the facts. I would love to get up close and personal with ANY POS that wants to use this problem for political expedience and tell them to 'f**ckoff. Truly hope my position on this subject is well established.

dback
06-18-2010, 05:37 PM
Enforce the Federal Laws? Ignoring the constitution, at least to us Lib's, is NOT enforcing the federal laws. You can't ignore one part of the law to enforce another. Although her rhetoric and political antics get her base fired up, they do nothing to solve the problems. Kind of like tossing a bowl of gasoline on a fire. Did it put the fire out? What she has tried to do is illegal. It has been stated as such from Republican and Democratic leaders, and just about every legal consultant in the country. Will help her get re-elected? Probably. That is her motive.

Being the 'legal wizard' you are....guess you failed to realize that this hasn't landed in the lap of the SCOTUS quite yet. Let me know when the Fat Lady sings.....until then, hope you don't mind if most of us choose to ignore most of you and DNF's astonishing combined 16 posts a day of tripe.

gmhr1
06-18-2010, 06:00 PM
She has my vote! The Pres lied he told our Gov he would send people to AZ within 2 weeks to discuss the border problem and he has not done a thing, but than we find out from Hillary that he is having the justice dept sue Az for SB 1070

Cody Covey
06-18-2010, 06:00 PM
Enforce the Federal Laws? Ignoring the constitution, at least to us Lib's, is NOT enforcing the federal laws. You can't ignore one part of the law to enforce another. Although her rhetoric and political antics get her base fired up, they do nothing to solve the problems. Kind of like tossing a bowl of gasoline on a fire. Did it put the fire out? What she has tried to do is illegal. It has been stated as such from Republican and Democratic leaders, and just about every legal consultant in the country. Will help her get re-elected? Probably. That is her motive.

specific passages of the law that are illegal please. This should be fun...

Franco
06-18-2010, 06:08 PM
The story is NOT bogus.....The signage is new and includes numerous parts of the state, not just the one in the News feature. BLM has recently placed signs along a long stretch of area from Gila Bend to Yuma south of I-8 and north of the Barry Goldwater Gunnery Range/Cabeza Prieta NWR (100 miles worth), parts of the Saguaro National Monument, passes east of Douglas, north and west of Casa Grande and a couple of other areas.

Cous and Mule deer permits that were once almost impossible to come by across the southern part of the state are now readily available as you now need a well armed camp guard during the day and an aggressive, alert and loyal dog plus the above mentioned guard for night time duty. Any asshat that chooses to brush this off as mere political posturing is welcome to serve as my camp beotch/guard. I dare say after a week of duty and actually visiting you may have a slight change of attitude. This is what we deal with on a daily basis in the southern stretches of the state.....all of it, not isolated areas http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/002160.html if you don't like that one than just google 'trash left by illegals', you'll get hundreds more.




You're correct....this problem is decades old, Bush I, Clinton, Bush II all avoided the problem...it's a third rail, however Obama is the first to sue a state in an attempt to stop that state from attempting to enforce Federal immigration law. We would like to Mearns, Gambel, and Scaley Quail hunt....Cous and Mule Deer and Antelope hunt....duck and goose hunt....visit national monuments, camp, bird watch, ride horse back in OUR state without the literal threat of losing ones life to 'drug/human smugglers'. What in the hell is so difficult to understand in that statement? Yet.....we have fellow Americans condemning us, boycotting us, suing us with no thought given to the facts. I would love to get up close and personal with ANY POS that wants to use this problem for political expedience and tell them to 'f**ckoff. Truly hope my position on this subject is well established.

Got to love the directness of this post. No minching words by dback! Most of us stand with you and feel your frustration.

Keep us infromed and lets us know what we can do to help the citizens of Arizona.

P S
I want to come to AZ and spend some money with the locals. My team plays the Cards on Oct10th. I've already committed to marshalling the minor stakes for the Acadiana club so, let me know if the Panthers or Falcons are coming and I'll root for the Cards. I want to stay at a nice locally owned hotel, eat at locally owned restaurants and drink at locally owned bars. Don't mind paying for the tickets if you can get them!

I just checked the Cards schedule. Cards play both but both are away games. You have Tampa at home but on the same weekend as the Cajun Riviera trial which I am FTS for. Looks like the home game against the Raiders is the best weekend for me to come.

huntinman
06-18-2010, 09:20 PM
Dback...you rock! I am coming to AZ in Nov for an elk hunt and will enjoy spending quite a few dollars in your state. Can't wait to come back to AZ. if some of the male republicans had half the b*lls of your Gov. we would be in much better shape.

dback
06-18-2010, 09:52 PM
Looks like the home game against the Raiders is the best weekend for me to come.

Booty....we gotta hook up but if I'm not mistaken that's the weekend of Sept 26th and if so, I'll be 'cruisin in Hawaii' that day.


I am coming to AZ in Nov for an elk hunt

No kidding....what unit you draw? You do know that 'non-resident' hunters that draw MY bull tags rank barely a notch above illegals that trash MY desert! :-) ;-)

Nor_Cal_Angler
06-19-2010, 12:13 AM
Dback..

My money goes there at a min. 4 times a year....my brother is a full time resident and ASU alumni (Tempe) and my parents are 1/2 timers, while visiting my brother they fell in love with AZ and purchased a home (Mesa).

I go every March/April for Spring Training (GO GIANTS) come back in Aug for my brothers B-Day (the heat SUCKS) and come down in Oct for a weekend then either Thanksgiving or Christmas depending on if we get the family to come here or go there....

I support the Law of this Nation and the States rights to govern themselves equally and individually. It is a DAMN shame that pompus, pre-maddona, elitist, "help you up to throw you down" individuals that live elsewhere and take a "well its not my backyard" attitude can preach to people that live it everyday about how low-down, dirty, rotten, scoundrals they must be to not have compassion for people that they feel should be granted the rights and freedoms and protection from civil persucution that a LEGAL CITIZEN of this country is granted.

Get real, they are the same people that feel (off subject but relivent) Hajii over there should get protection from our constitution after he/she has taken up arms against our troops....or as backwards as the person that feels burglers should be able to sue a homeowner after getting shot for breaking and entering....(see Prochaska v Rainiero, MILWAUKEE ohhh there are many more)

Funny thing is my dad called the other day and we got to talking about this and the law that HASN'T taken effect yet, but people want to talk about it as if it has, and he said that he has noticed a SHARP drop in "spanish" appearing persons in the community and surrounding area he vists...he and I wonder is it the economy, is it the housing, or is it the GUILT they feel for being here illegally and the consequences a person faces after blowing the stop sign or stealing a candybar and GETTING CAUGHT?

NCA

huntinman
06-19-2010, 07:04 AM
No kidding....what unit you draw? You do know that 'non-resident' hunters that draw MY bull tags rank barely a notch above illegals that trash MY desert! :-) ;-)

Dback, I have been applying down there for years. About 7 years ago I drew a Coues deer tag, but was unable to go on the hunt. In '07 I got a desert bighorn in 13A. My elk hunt this year is in unit 8 near Flagstaff. My outfitter put me in for that as a second choice without my knowledge and I drew it. We'll see. A few years ago, I drew 22n and it was a tough hunt. Saw lots of small bulls... Beautiful state, I love coming there every chance I get...apparently so do the illegals.

depittydawg
06-19-2010, 09:25 AM
Yo, Dipitty Puppy,

Lets see,
dimwit Governor becomes tired of seeing her constituents murdered,and tired of the highest kidnap rate in the country. Does something about it cause the Feds won't. (Basics 101- pass the same law already on the books by the Feds)
I have been a member here since Jan 2006, and have accumulated a little over 600 posts in 4 1/2 years. You on the other hand have over 400 in just a couple of months. You are about to become the first on my ignore list.

I guess it takes special insight to be able to qualify another as a "Dimwit" (no smiley faces intended either)

"Constituents murdered?" More nonsense. The statistics say you're full of it. I'll believe the statistics over the word of an ideologue. As far as making your ignore list, I'll consider it a compliment to be ignored by an idiot.

Blackstone
06-19-2010, 09:25 AM
The story is NOT bogus.....The signage is new and includes numerous parts of the state, not just the one in the News feature. BLM has recently placed signs along a long stretch of area from Gila Bend to Yuma south of I-8 and north of the Barry Goldwater Gunnery Range/Cabeza Prieta NWR (100 miles worth), parts of the Saguaro National Monument, passes east of Douglas, north and west of Casa Grande and a couple of other areas.

The story, as presented, is bogus. The story didn't mention any of the areas you cited. The story only talked about, and specifically referenced, the closing of public land in the Buenos Aires National Wildlife Refuge. The story was presented as if this closure had just recently happened under the Obama administration, and that is not true. That area has been closed since 2006. I will take your word for when the signs were posted, and I will take your word for those other areas being put off limits, but these areas were not mentioned in the story. Therefore, the story is bogus. If Fox News wants to rewrite the story so that it accurately portrays what happened, and what is happening now, I would have no problem with it.

Franco
06-19-2010, 09:48 AM
"Constituents murdered?" More nonsense. The statistics say you're full of it. I'll believe the statistics over the word of an ideologue. As far as making your ignore list, I'll consider it a compliment to be ignored by an idiot.

What cave do you live in? Illegals have been killing U S citizens for years. Here is a recent murder of an Arizona rancher;

http://www.redcounty.com/arizona-rancher-murdered-illegal-immigrant-who-flees-mexico/38211

Cody Covey
06-19-2010, 10:26 AM
"Constituents murdered?" More nonsense. The statistics say you're full of it. I'll believe the statistics over the word of an ideologue. As far as making your ignore list, I'll consider it a compliment to be ignored by an idiot.

SO....I'm am going ask please site these statistics that say illegals aren't killing American on the Arizon border. I assume it will be sort of like the last time i asked you to actually back something up on this thread...met with silence.

depittydawg
06-19-2010, 10:46 AM
SO....I'm am going ask please site these statistics that say illegals aren't killing American on the Arizon border. I assume it will be sort of like the last time i asked you to actually back something up on this thread...met with silence.

In the face of concrete research, evidence and admissions from U.S. Border and Customs personnel themselves stating that the southern U.S. “border is safer now than it’s ever been,” is it astonishing that politicians and lawmakers continue to use the myth of the “immigrant threat” to safety as justification for increased immigration enforcement. Arizona Gov. Brewer, who signed off on the draconian anti-immigrant law, SB1070, made numerous statements justifying the law that relied on the myth of widespread crimes being perpetrated as a result of immigration at the border. Before her meeting with President Obama to express her frustration at the Federal Government’s lack of action in securing the border, Gov. Brewer told the press-
http://restorefairness.org/2010/06/false-hype-about-crime-in-border-cities-has-tragic-implications/
Ok, that took all of about 15 seconds to find that information for you. Why don't you do a little research before you spout off the talking points you've chose to accept without reason or debate?
Heres a few more sources.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=crime+statistics+border+cities&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=CXtwrIuIcTIWhNYXUM8vi_dAKAAAAqgQFT9DW9Wg
and what else were you folks asking? Oh yeah, what is illegal about the Az law... Lets see. I'll time this search for you too.
the law violates federal due process rights because it stipulates a suspect can be held before being convicted.
the law is an “impermissible encroachment into an area of exclusive federal authority and will interfere and conflict with the comprehensive federal immigration system….” In addition, the plaintiffs allege that SB 1070 will result in widespread racial profiling, will subject people of color to unlawful interrogations, searches, seizures, and arrests, and will deprive people of freedom of speech and expressive activity.
SB 1070 is unconstitutional because it violates the Supremacy Clause, the First Amendment, the Fourth Amendment, the Due Process Clause, the Privileges and Immunities Clause, the Equal Protection Clause, and the Arizona Constitution.
http://www.legalactioncenter.org/clearinghouse/litigation-issue-pages/arizona-legal-challenges
Wow. That was a lot more difficult. That one took almost 5 minutes.

Franco
06-19-2010, 12:45 PM
So What! You've sited websites of organizations opposed to Arizona's new law. Hardly credible.

Here is what the citizens of Arizona are saying and I'll stand with them over some bleeding-heart left-winged open boarder anti-Americans! To deny that illegals are creating heardships for the leagl citizens and that crime is under contol is naive.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/06/18/20100618arizona-immigration-law-timeline-slideshow.html?page=2

Doc E
06-19-2010, 01:36 PM
To deny that illegals are creating heardships for the leagl citizens and that crime is under contol is naive.


Right on Brother.
You probably realize tha many people from OR (and many from the west side of WA) are very Kalifornian in thought processes.



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Franco
06-19-2010, 01:43 PM
Right on Brother.
You probably realize tha many people from OR (and many from the west side of WA) are very Kalifornian in thought processes.



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With over 70% of the citizens of Arizona including those of Hispanic origins want the new law, I say "let them have it". Who better to govern themselves than the people! Yet, the Obamanites want to side with the illegals over citizens.

It is the Feds responsibilty to protect all citizens! The Feds won't do it so the people are taking the matter in their own hands, as they should.

And, look at the shape Kalifornia is in. They live in denial and waiting on a Fed bailout because they won't do the right thing/take the proper action.

huntinman
06-19-2010, 02:06 PM
In the face of concrete research, evidence and admissions from U.S. Border and Customs personnel themselves stating that the southern U.S. “border is safer now than it’s ever been,” is it astonishing that politicians and lawmakers continue to use the myth of the “immigrant threat” to safety as justification for increased immigration enforcement. Arizona Gov. Brewer, who signed off on the draconian anti-immigrant law, SB1070, made numerous statements justifying the law that relied on the myth of widespread crimes being perpetrated as a result of immigration at the border. Before her meeting with President Obama to express her frustration at the Federal Government’s lack of action in securing the border, Gov. Brewer told the press-
http://restorefairness.org/2010/06/false-hype-about-crime-in-border-cities-has-tragic-implications/
Ok, that took all of about 15 seconds to find that information for you. Why don't you do a little research before you spout off the talking points you've chose to accept without reason or debate?
Heres a few more sources.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=crime+statistics+border+cities&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=CXtwrIuIcTIWhNYXUM8vi_dAKAAAAqgQFT9DW9Wg
and what else were you folks asking? Oh yeah, what is illegal about the Az law... Lets see. I'll time this search for you too.
the law violates federal due process rights because it stipulates a suspect can be held before being convicted.
the law is an “impermissible encroachment into an area of exclusive federal authority and will interfere and conflict with the comprehensive federal immigration system….” In addition, the plaintiffs allege that SB 1070 will result in widespread racial profiling, will subject people of color to unlawful interrogations, searches, seizures, and arrests, and will deprive people of freedom of speech and expressive activity.
SB 1070 is unconstitutional because it violates the Supremacy Clause, the First Amendment, the Fourth Amendment, the Due Process Clause, the Privileges and Immunities Clause, the Equal Protection Clause, and the Arizona Constitution.
http://www.legalactioncenter.org/clearinghouse/litigation-issue-pages/arizona-legal-challenges
Wow. That was a lot more difficult. That one took almost 5 minutes.

dawg, it's time for your rabies shot.

gman0046
06-19-2010, 02:20 PM
Lets face it the Dawg is in denial. Socialism does that to some people.

Cody Covey
06-19-2010, 04:41 PM
you didn't say crime was down you said that illegals werent' killing constiuents and that it was a myth...obviously its not a myth since even sheriffs and police officers are being shot in border towns.

You can be held for question without being charged for any crime. If they weren't questioning people how would they be able to charge them with things? You are grasping at straws at best. . .

Nor_Cal_Angler
06-19-2010, 11:50 PM
Right on Brother.
You probably realize tha many people from OR (and many from the west side of WA) are very Kalifornian in thought processes.
.

Hey, now while true it isnt that way for all of us....especially those of us that left the great state of WASHINGTON...and now reside in the hell hole called the "GOLDEN STATE" should have know that evergreen would be better than gold.

Cant wait to get back HOME...TRI-CITIES (Richland) here I come. Ohh and dont worry I havent been brain-washed so all that CRAP stays in Killafornia


you didn't say crime was down you said that illegals werent' killing constiuents and that it was a myth...obviously its not a myth since even sheriffs and police officers are being shot in border towns.

You can be held for question without being charged for any crime. If they weren't questioning people how would they be able to charge them with things? You are grasping at straws at best. . .


24-hrs without being marindized!!!!!!!!!!

NCA