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depittydawg
06-25-2010, 10:28 AM
Looks like another major victory for Obama, the Democrats, and the majority of Americans who support them.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/26/us/politics/26regulate.html?hp

david gibson
06-25-2010, 10:36 AM
Looks like another major victory for Obama, the Democrats, and the majority of Americans who support them.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/26/us/politics/26regulate.html?hp

only you would think so.

Chris Dodd:

""No one will know until this is actually in place how it works. "

oh great. another pelosi moment "we have to pass the bill to see whats in it"

what a bunch of idiots. and you think the majority of americans support them?

david gibson
06-25-2010, 10:44 AM
Looks like another major victory for Obama, the Democrats, and the majority of Americans who support them.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/26/us/politics/26regulate.html?hp

what leadership models we have here....

http://i808.photobucket.com/albums/zz10/surfgeo/Image5-1.jpg?t=1277480575

dang - what did they have to do to get it to pass all the democrats? or was this pic taken after frank and dodd celebrated the big victory?????

M&K's Retrievers
06-25-2010, 10:46 AM
...... the majority of Americans who support them.



What majority?

Cody Covey
06-25-2010, 12:08 PM
What majority?This majority of course
<table>
<tr><td>Poll</td><td>Date</td><td>Approve</td><td>Disapprove</td><td>Spread</td></tr>
<tr><td>RCP Average</td><td>6/3 - 6/21</td><td>22.2</td><td>71.7</td><td>-49.5</td></tr>
</table>

Franco
06-25-2010, 12:28 PM
With Barney Frank and Chris Dodd's influence, then you know it has to be bad for the American people!

What we have in government today is just a juiced up version of good cop bad cop being played out as both parties could care less what's right for America and its people. If we had elected officials in D.C. that understood what it meant to serve their country and not monied interests, this country would look a lot different. But as long as the foxs are allowed to guard the hen house, we will never get out from under while maintaining our status as debt slaves to a system that is corrupt beyond all reason. And, I am being polite.

dnf777
06-25-2010, 02:34 PM
and you think the majority of americans support them?

Unless there was election fraud, that's the way we win elections and gain office in America!

david gibson
06-25-2010, 02:43 PM
Unless there was election fraud, that's the way we win elections and gain office in America!

they may have voted for him then, but the polls show they dont support him now.

road kill
06-25-2010, 02:47 PM
Looks like another major victory for Obama, the Democrats, and the majority of Americans who support them.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/26/us/politics/26regulate.html?hp

Soooo, you are pleased??


rk

huntinman
06-25-2010, 03:31 PM
This victory for the Dems is just like the other victories this admistration has had...A loss for the country. If it is good for Obama and the dems, you can bet it is bad for your bank account.

Gerry Clinchy
06-25-2010, 07:18 PM
The final restrictions were not as tight, however, as originally approved by Senator Blanche Lincoln (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/l/blanche_lambert_lincoln/index.html?inline=nyt-per), the Arkansas Democrat who is chairwoman of the Senate Agriculture Committee, which oversees the Commodity Futures Trading Commission (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/c/commodity_futures_trading_commission/index.html?inline=nyt-org), the chief regulator of derivatives.

Mrs. Lincoln’s proposal that banks be banned from all derivatives activity drew opposition from both sides of the aisle almost since it was introduced this spring. But the provision remained in the Senate bill in part because Mrs. Lincoln was facing a tough primary battle in her home state and portrayed herself as a tough critic of Wall Street.



Only in recent days did a group of centrist House Democrats threaten to withhold their approval of the entire package unless Mrs. Lincoln loosened her derivatives restrictions.

The group, known as the New Democrat Coalition, includes several House members from New York State, who voiced opposition to provisions that they felt would threaten business and jobs on Wall Street.



At 9:10 p.m., Mrs. Lincoln returned to the conference committee room after a long absence and huddled with Mr. Dodd, who had voiced fears that the derivatives measure would make it more difficult to retain the 60 votes needed to pass the revised bill through the Senate.


Republicans repeatedly faulted the majority for not including an overhaul of the mortgage firms Fannie Mae (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/companies/fannie_mae/index.html?inline=nyt-org) and Freddy Mac in the financial bill; they also raised objections to the bill’s provisions for unwinding failing financial firms, saying that the bill would not rule out future taxpayer-financed bailouts.

I haven't read the bill (has anyone?), but the comment I had heard previously was that it still left the banks able to mess with the risky derivatives. And, then, there is the lack of action on Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac. The question might be whether at a price tag of $2 billion a year, will the taxpayers get their money's worth? Or will it be another Dept. of Energy just sucking up dollars w/no substantive accomplishments?

david gibson
06-25-2010, 07:24 PM
I haven't read the bill (has anyone?),

they didnt read a 1400 page health bill, why would they read this 2000 page bill?

david gibson
06-26-2010, 08:35 AM
Unless there was election fraud, that's the way we win elections and gain office in America!

you know thats wrong, dont you? you win elections with a majority vote, meaning the majority of people that actually vote make that decision, not the majority of americans. we all know obama won on ideology that was short-lived and by getting out the masses of "useful idiots" (google it, not my term - actually used by lenin and hitler) to vote for him. too many conservatives were disenchanted with the republican choice and didnt get out to vote.

seems to be borne out by this recent poll:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/141032/2010-Conservatives-Outnumber-Moderates-Liberals.aspx

now, as long as the republicans can field a decent team and seeing the growing disillusionment with the former messiah i'd say this little experiment in extreme american liberalism will be aborted by the people soon.

too much too fast too radical regards....

Roger Perry
06-26-2010, 09:53 AM
you know thats wrong, dont you? you win elections with a majority vote, meaning the majority of people that actually vote make that decision, not the majority of americans. we all know obama won on ideology that was short-lived and by getting out the masses of "useful idiots" (google it, not my term - actually used by lenin and hitler) to vote for him. too many conservatives were disenchanted with the republican choice and didnt get out to vote.

seems to be borne out by this recent poll:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/141032/2010-Conservatives-Outnumber-Moderates-Liberals.aspx

now, as long as the republicans can field a decent team and seeing the growing disillusionment with the former messiah i'd say this little experiment in extreme american liberalism will be aborted by the people soon.

too much too fast too radical regards....

If that were true Bush would never have been elected President in 2000
Democratic—Albert A. Gore, Jr.; Joseph I. Lieberman
Green—Ralph Nader; Winona LaDuke
George W.
Bush Albert A.
Gore, Jr.Ralph
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vote % Popular
vote % Popular
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david gibson
06-26-2010, 10:01 AM
If that were true Bush would never have been elected President in 2000
Democratic—Albert A. Gore, Jr.; Joseph I. Lieberman
Green—Ralph Nader; Winona LaDuke
George W.
Bush Albert A.
Gore, Jr.Ralph
NaderElectoral votes Popular
vote % Popular
vote % Popular
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dude your posting style sucks. ok, point out bush didnt have the majority vote - but thats only for presidency and thats the rules - do i have to explain the electoral college to you? you cant move the goal posts to suit you. thankfully! gore would have been far worse than bush

just cant let it go, can you?

Mike W.
06-26-2010, 10:28 AM
Meanwhile millions more gallons of oil spewed into the gulf.....way to go BHO!

Gerry Clinchy
06-28-2010, 01:40 PM
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Here's an "apolitical" opinion ... just looking at the nuts and bolts of whether this legislation will solve the problems it is intended to solve.