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pat addis
08-06-2010, 08:44 PM
Just saw this announcement that GM is building a new plant promising to create 390 new jobs. HURRAY!!!!!! NOT!!!!


GM to Build New Vehicle at Plant in Mexico
Will invest $500 million at plant in Ramos Arispe

By . Agence France-Presse



General Motors will invest $500 million to produce a new vehicle and eight-cylinder engines in a plant in northeastern Mexico, a company spokesman said on August 4.

The decision was announced at a meeting on August 3 between GM management and Mexican officials, the spokesman said, without giving details of the new vehicle.

The investment in the GM plant in Ramos Arispe, Coahuila state, would generate 390 jobs, he added.

General Motors has been present in Mexico since 1935, where it has some 11,000 workers, four factories, an engineering center and a test circuit.

http://industryweek.com/articles/gm_to_build_new_vehicle__at_plant_in_mexico_22462. aspx

I guess if we are going to support the people of Mexico, it's better to let them stay at home and take manufacturing jobs rather than become illegal immigrants.

dnf777
08-06-2010, 09:00 PM
Just saw this announcement that GM is building a new plant promising to create 390 new jobs. HURRAY!!!!!! NOT!!!!


GM to Build New Vehicle at Plant in Mexico
Will invest $500 million at plant in Ramos Arispe

By . Agence France-Presse



General Motors will invest $500 million to produce a new vehicle and eight-cylinder engines in a plant in northeastern Mexico, a company spokesman said on August 4.

The decision was announced at a meeting on August 3 between GM management and Mexican officials, the spokesman said, without giving details of the new vehicle.

The investment in the GM plant in Ramos Arispe, Coahuila state, would generate 390 jobs, he added.

General Motors has been present in Mexico since 1935, where it has some 11,000 workers, four factories, an engineering center and a test circuit.

http://industryweek.com/articles/gm_to_build_new_vehicle__at_plant_in_mexico_22462. aspx

I guess if we are going to support the people of Mexico, it's better to let them stay at home and take manufacturing jobs rather than become illegal immigrants.

Screw GM. I'm buying a subaru. Much better car anyway.

pat addis
08-06-2010, 09:07 PM
Go ahead an buy your Subaru. It's still your tax dollars that are building the plant in Mexico.

M&K's Retrievers
08-07-2010, 12:13 AM
Screw GM. I'm buying a subaru. Much better car anyway.

I thought you had a Tahoe.

dnf777
08-07-2010, 05:30 AM
I thought you had a Tahoe.

No. I have 2500HD WT that is a real dog. I don't know how they measure HP, but this one claims 380. Climbs hills like me on a Schwinn.

Gerry Clinchy
08-07-2010, 08:26 AM
Hmmm ... since the govt owns a stake in GM ... and GM now wants the govt to sell out their share ... guess it doesn't look great for the govt to be using its support and $ creating jobs in Mexico?

dnf777
08-07-2010, 10:05 AM
Hmmm ... since the govt owns a stake in GM ... and GM now wants the govt to sell out their share ... guess it doesn't look great for the govt to be using its support and $ creating jobs in Mexico?

If I understand correctly, GM has repaid the bail-out money, but we the taxpayers still own controlling stock in GM?

If so, why don't we hold a share holders referendum regarding building plants in Mexico?

Where is the UAW in all this? Surely they're not happy about it.

Gerry Clinchy
08-07-2010, 10:18 AM
Yup, some of my thoughts as well, Dave. Maybe the UAW is not concerned about only 390 jobs, as long as they can still get paid the wages they want for the jobs that are here in the U.S.?

I wonder if they have stopped that practice of paying workers to sit in rooms doing nothing when they are laid off?

Nor_Cal_Angler
08-07-2010, 01:33 PM
Yup, some of my thoughts as well, Dave. Maybe the UAW is not concerned about only 390 jobs, as long as they can still get paid the wages they want for the jobs that are here in the U.S.?

I wonder if they have stopped that practice of paying workers to sit in rooms doing nothing when they are laid off?

Not to my knowledge.....

NCA

T. Mac
08-07-2010, 02:09 PM
Appears the mortgage refinance program is not working as intended either: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38603412/ns/business-real_estate/

dnf777
08-07-2010, 02:49 PM
LMAO We've got 2 Subaru's and a Honda too Doc. But I gotta disagree about the pickups, I love my Silverado and my Sierra.
Walt

I'm starting to think I got a lemon. I had a Sierra 1500 that I absolutely loved. Traded up to a 3/4 ton, and (expecting a heavier, slower, less MPG) but really am disappointed. Slow, weak, 11-13 mpg. If I didn't need it for the snow plow, I'd go back to a 1500.

Buzz
08-07-2010, 02:54 PM
Dave, buy a F250 with a diesel.

I have a Dodge Ram with the Hemi. Not lacking in power at all.

Nor_Cal_Angler
08-07-2010, 03:53 PM
The diesels are great, but not only should they come with ear phones, by the time you pay the extra 5 - 7 grand for the engine, plus the extra money at the pump, they're not much of a bargain.
I think you must have got a lemon Doc, my GMC 2500 HD is a beast. I tow a lot of heavy equipment with it and no complaints.

Ear phones...excuse me.....if you buy one of the "new" sissy diesel's by any of the big 3 they are so quiet I wonder sometimes if they are even running...

you may pay 5-7k extra for the motor, but that 5-7k buys you 300,000 more miles of life on the motor..at least for a CUMMINS...but there again why would you buy anything else....

and the price at the pump...while I REALLY loved the 2.25 a gallon prices...3.19 which is VERY high even for the Bay Area..still gets me 20mpg unloaded city and hwy use and 15-16 loaded with 10k behind me and a bed full of gear...

TOP THAT...

and she strike's FEAR in the hearts of the ENVIORMENTAL MOVEMENT!!!!!!!

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/1426/img0932om.th.jpg (http://img40.imageshack.us/i/img0932om.jpg/)

http://img804.imageshack.us/img804/2224/img0935.th.jpg (http://img804.imageshack.us/i/img0935.jpg/)

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NCA

road kill
08-07-2010, 04:19 PM
Get a real truck;

http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww42/sbx1/midnight2.jpg


RK

Nor_Cal_Angler
08-07-2010, 04:31 PM
RK....

If that is your truck...(which I cant say it isnt) it sure is "pretty" but it wont do the work mine will......:cool::cool:

NCA

Nor_Cal_Angler
08-07-2010, 04:42 PM
Hey I found your truck it was spotted on the net....it sure seems to have been around the block with many different owners...;-);-);-) My girl is true to me....and ONLY me...

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/3307/midnight1o.jpg (http://img72.imageshack.us/i/midnight1o.jpg/)

road kill
08-07-2010, 04:45 PM
Hey I found your truck it was spotted on the net....it sure seems to have been around the block with many different owners...;-);-);-) My girl is true to me....and ONLY me...

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/3307/midnight1o.jpg (http://img72.imageshack.us/i/midnight1o.jpg/)
I drive a 98 Expedition.
Those 650's are insane.

But my other ride is sweeter than any truck.
May not do the work, bur it is fun ridin' it!!!:D



RK

Nor_Cal_Angler
08-07-2010, 04:53 PM
Gotta like a guy that loves his truck. I've got a Cummins diesel in my chipper, a Cat diesel in my bucket truck, and a Deutz diesel in my stump grinder. Haven't had a seconds trouble with any of them. I haven't noticed that the new diesels are quieter, but I'll take your word for it. Still want gas for my run around truck though.
If that's Stan's truck, he must love the oil companies.
Walt

Yea, I love my DIESEL....As for the quieter running motors, it is true it is a by product if you will of the new emmisions regulations that are being forced down our throats...the new fuel systems run at higher rail pressures which cut down on that "clack-clack" we are all so used to hearing...Ford has been using this system ever since 96 I believe on the 7.3's and continue to make them quieter and quieter...GM has only produced common rail systems in their D-max and Cummins (dodge) started using Common-rail in 2003. Dodge/Cummins systems are still by far the loudest of them all but all together the newest 6.7L Cummins V say my 2001.5 is NIGHT and DAY.

98-2002 dodge cummins motors used a VP44 Bosch injector pump that lets just say "pulses" fuel to the injector and is signal driven to increase or decrease the fuel...those "pulses" are the CLACK you here...newer diesels use what is refered to as a CP3 pump and produce a much higher PSI and smoothing out (if you will) of the fuel demand....and are MUCH MORE noise friendly...

this of course is laymens and by no means an engineering/design/manufacturing accurate example...but I do turn a wrench (not for a living) and it is the quickest easiest way to explain it.

And as for wanting a Gas vehicle for running around it...you are correct, that is the easiest and most cost effective method.

NCA

Nor_Cal_Angler
08-07-2010, 04:58 PM
I drive a 98 Expedition.
Those 650's are insane.

But my other ride is sweeter than any truck.
May not do the work, bur it is fun ridin' it!!!:D



RK

I have only read about your other ride and from what I have read...it sounds like an absolute dream.....personally I could never do it...almost lost my brother to one of them and the only time I got on one, I "eased" out a bit on the "not so easy" and she shot out from under me....

and about those 650's.....the best thing FORD ever did was strike a special deal and allow the option of a CUMMINS in them....

I always say..."I drive a Cummins, with a DODGE wraped around it.."

NCA

M&K's Retrievers
08-07-2010, 05:16 PM
I drive a 98 Expedition.
Those 650's are insane.

But my other ride is sweeter than any truck.
May not do the work, bur it is fun ridin' it!!!:D



RK

Just got word that a friend of mine just laid his "other ride" down on the interstate outside Wichita, KS while attempting to pass a semi. He and some other friends were on the way to Sturgis. Don't know all the details yet but he is in critical condition in ICU in an induced coma. Next 48 hrs will tell the tale. Makes you stop and think......

M&K's Retrievers
08-07-2010, 05:21 PM
Another vote for the F-250 with a diesel. Knock on wood, my 2001 has 270,000 miles and keeps on going strong. You do have to turn it off at the drive thru window so they can hear your order.:cool:

depittydawg
08-07-2010, 07:37 PM
The diesels are great, but not only should they come with ear phones, by the time you pay the extra 5 - 7 grand for the engine, plus the extra money at the pump, they're not much of a bargain.
I think you must have got a lemon Doc, my GMC 2500 HD is a beast. I tow a lot of heavy equipment with it and no complaints.

I ran GM 6.2 and 5.8 diesels in the eighties and nineties. Every one I ever had, about 4 or 5 of them, needed new heads at around 100k miles. I like diesels. The Fords from what I've heard don't do all that well on mileage. Cummings I've never heard anything but praise for. Had a volvo diesel that also died a short lived life around 150k or so. Went out to start it on Christmas day and it wouldn't turn over. After trying everything else I towed it to the Volvo shop and they said it was siezed. Go figure. Seized up sitting in the driveway...
I do remember the diesels would hold their mileage even under heavy loads which was great. Has GM solved the cracked head problems on their diesels?

Nor_Cal_Angler
08-07-2010, 09:05 PM
I ran GM 6.2 and 5.8 diesels in the eighties and nineties. Every one I ever had, about 4 or 5 of them, needed new heads at around 100k miles. I like diesels. The Fords from what I've heard don't do all that well on mileage. Cummings I've never heard anything but praise for. Had a volvo diesel that also died a short lived life around 150k or so. Went out to start it on Christmas day and it wouldn't turn over. After trying everything else I towed it to the Volvo shop and they said it was siezed. Go figure. Seized up sitting in the driveway...
I do remember the diesels would hold their mileage even under heavy loads which was great. Has GM solved the cracked head problems on their diesels?

actually they have...they did away with both of those motors....problem solved....they introduced the LB7 in 2001 (d-max) problem was tooooo little of a motor for the claimed work they could do...(V8's just cant do it) in 2005 the introduced the LLY it was a much improved motor that seems to be holding well...and currently offer a LBZ which is supposed to be the BEE's Knees...but its still a V8

F250's and 350's are still crap in my book....Ford hasnt gotten it right since 2002 that was the last year of the 7.3 and its still a V8...the 6.0 is the worst motor I have ever laid eyes to then they did a 6.4 twin turbo that in its two years of production has been very shakey at best....now they are going inhouse with there new motor the "scorpion" ewwwwe scarry....Any company that has had 5 motor changes in 10 years is leaving something to be desired....

If I remember correctly

GM-since 1989-5 motors
Ford-since 1989-6 motors
Dodge-since 1989 2 motors (the 5.9L motor was in production from 1989 through 2007 a TRUE MOTOR)

NCA

road kill
08-07-2010, 10:36 PM
I have only read about your other ride and from what I have read...it sounds like an absolute dream.....personally I could never do it...almost lost my brother to one of them and the only time I got on one, I "eased" out a bit on the "not so easy" and she shot out from under me....

and about those 650's.....the best thing FORD ever did was strike a special deal and allow the option of a CUMMINS in them....

I always say..."I drive a Cummins, with a DODGE wraped around it.."

NCA


http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww42/sbx1/PIC-0139.jpg

It's OK.

My prayers for those on their way to Sturgis.
Been there, done that, I got old.

Next year we will trailer out to Deadwood.

Peace.........



RK

Nor_Cal_Angler
08-07-2010, 11:37 PM
RK...

everyone says....

There's nothing like it...American Made riding through the American Heartland...

Truly a GREAT looking bike...

NCA

Nor_Cal_Angler
08-07-2010, 11:39 PM
I didn't know that was ever a problem. The only diesel pickup I had, a GMC 2500 Sierra with dual rear wheels, I sold with low millage. Couldn't stand the noise.
Beautiful truck though, felt like I could drive it over a house.
I bet NCA would know the answer to that question.
Walt

Posted while I was writing this.

Over a house....no;-);-)

Through a house....NO PROBLEM...:cool::cool::cool:

NCA

fetchtx
08-08-2010, 07:58 AM
Nice ride RK, we are planning the trip to sturgis next year also. Sorta doubt we will see Potus up there so a great place to be.

road kill
08-08-2010, 10:14 AM
Nice ride RK, we are planning the trip to sturgis next year also. Sorta doubt we will see Potus up there so a great place to be.

Let's talk before then, maybe visit at Sturgis, have a shot of Jack, a cigar and swap some lies!!

Ride safe......


RK

ducknwork
08-08-2010, 11:35 AM
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NCA

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