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Gerry Clinchy
08-07-2010, 09:16 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/07/us/07cutbacksWEB.html?pagewanted=3&_r=1&th&emc=th

Some of these service cuts seem to be not well thought out ... but there may be some sense to what they're doing.

If they're going to turn off some street lights, that might work if they do it the right way. Getting volunteer groups to collect trash in parks is not such a bad idea. There may be a silver lining in getting residents to take a more active part in taking care of their cities?

The school issue ... make longer school days & a shorter school year. In some areas, it might make sense to "shift" the school year ... time off in winter instead of summer. That would accommodate the longer daylight days with the longer school days. The present school year structure was based on the children helping on the family farm ... which only might apply to a very small portion of the population today, but we never changed the "routine".

Time for us to do some innovative thinking.

What would you suggest? Aside from the usual stuff of cutting public payrolls ... which might be done in innovative ways rather than "across the board" ... what else can cities or states do to trim their expenses?

kjrice
08-10-2010, 12:45 PM
Well here we have a firefighters union that is out of control. We regularly have firefighters making $150k+ per year after all the scam add-ons and abuse of the system. The County has incredible replication of departments and processes, especially, in IT.

Franco
08-10-2010, 01:42 PM
What would you suggest?



I would suggest that they live within thier means and not reward them for mismanagement.

No different than the 28 billion Obama is asking for today to bailout Teachers, Firemen and Poilice Unions. If Obama was a real leader he wouldn't be asking the states that have lived within thier means to pay for hte ones who have been irresponsible.

A some point in time, Tax Payers need to be heard and that message is, "Enough is Enough". Get it together or fail, that is the American way.

Buzz
08-10-2010, 02:29 PM
Interesting. Police and firefighters were not too long ago regarded by conservatives as heros in our society. Now they are no longer heros, they are those dirty union members being bailed out by those socialists in Washington.

Being the son of a firefighter, I am grateful for the work that the union did in fighting for lifesaving equipment that the city balked at providing. And I know of several guys that retired as chiefs and captains. None of them ever got near a 6 figure salary, and many retired with health problems directly related to the hazards they were exposed to on the job.

Next time you see a blazing fire, you should consider stopping and running in the front door while everyone is running out.

Franco
08-10-2010, 03:04 PM
Interesting. Police and firefighters were not too long ago regarded by conservatives as heros in our society. Now they are no longer heros, they are those dirty union members being bailed out by those socialists in Washington.

Being the son of a firefighter, I am grateful for the work that the union did in fighting for lifesaving equipment that the city balked at providing. And I know of several guys that retired as chiefs and captains. None of them ever got near a 6 figure salary, and many retired with health problems directly related to the hazards they were exposed to on the job.

Next time you see a blazing fire, you should consider stopping and running in the front door while everyone is running out.

So you would rather take the money from more responsible states?

Someone get Buzz a Kleenex! His bleeding heart is the reson we have the financial mess we have.

If there are too many firefighters or policemen, and there is no money to pay them then let them do what the rest of us would have to do. Get another job somewhere else!

troy schwab
08-10-2010, 03:11 PM
Unions are no good.......period. Break them all!!! If your good at what you do, you certainly dont need a union. I completely agree with Franco..... you run it into the ground, you deserve to stay there. JMO

Franco
08-10-2010, 03:15 PM
Unions are no good.......period. Break them all!!! If your good at what you do, you certainly dont need a union. I completely agree with Franco..... you run it into the ground, you deserve to stay there. JMO

Damn right! Why should anyone have to pay for thier squandering of Pension funds and over spending? If they get the 28 billion it is nothing more than Obama solidifying the union vote by paying them off!

Buzz
08-10-2010, 03:44 PM
But thank God everyone on Wall Street is still getting their bonuses.

gman0046
08-10-2010, 03:59 PM
Unions at one time in this country were necessary, sweat shops, child labor, etc. Not in this day and age. Unions protect slugs who don't hit a lick. They are good Democrats thats for sure.

Jim Person
08-10-2010, 04:19 PM
I'm sick and tired of everyone pointing the finger at unions... The unions are not the problem, it is city,town,state, and federal politicians and management that have no concept of how to run a city ,town ,state, or country. I am a DPW union member of a large new england city, and the lack of leadership in management is absolutely disgusting. If a union worker is not doing his job there are clauses in every contract to discipline or terminate the employee for not doing his job, but management always looks the other way and does nothing to fix the problem, they just ask for more money from the tax accounts and spend away.. I have never seen so much blatant and corrupt waste in my life. They make laws on top of laws to supercede anothe r law and create yet more loopholes, and then without hesitation or thinking they give themselves raises.... You tell me how bad unions are when the union has members who make $26000 a year and then take out the taxes, and health ins which they raise every year and see how they can support a family( ya unions are the bad guys).. An another point with management in municipalities is how many assistants does one person need????And they make over 100k a year...Just an example look at that town in California (I think it was Belle) The city council member made an average of 500k-700k a year and they say the police and fire dept broke the city... Open your eyes folks,, change starts at the voting booth not bashing the unions, If it weren't for unions alot of jobs and benefits would be 3rd world at best. What this country needs is more union jobs in manufacturing ,textiles, steel, etc and not ship all the jobs overseas, tax the imports and get some jobs back here.......

PS I am a far cry from a democrat too

kjrice
08-10-2010, 04:51 PM
Interesting. Police and firefighters were not too long ago regarded by conservatives as heros in our society. Now they are no longer heros, they are those dirty union members being bailed out by those socialists in Washington.

Being the son of a firefighter, I am grateful for the work that the union did in fighting for lifesaving equipment that the city balked at providing. And I know of several guys that retired as chiefs and captains. None of them ever got near a 6 figure salary, and many retired with health problems directly related to the hazards they were exposed to on the job.

Next time you see a blazing fire, you should consider stopping and running in the front door while everyone is running out.
No need to spin it and play off emotions. I come from a firefighting family and almost became one myself. But that doesn't excuse the fraud and waste that is running rapid within our department. I don't think anyone should get an additional $1000 per each time they cover someones day of PTO. I don't think the EMT's should simply show up to a scene and hand it off entirely to a contractor EMT and gain full credit for the work, which is basically double billing. And there is plenty more. The union is not to blame rather the City that has allowed it to run out of control. The police department is run with a tighter fist.

The County shouldn't have all these mini-empires. There shouldn't be an IT department for the Library, one for Transportation, one for regular County, etc...this can all be easily centralized but it is about government running too fat on your tax dollars. Government has way to much duplication of work and processes. It shouldn't be a job benevolence program.

kjrice
08-10-2010, 04:56 PM
But thank God everyone on Wall Street is still getting their bonuses.
Who do you think is traditionally the biggest benefactor of the Democratic Party? Gee, I wonder why Wall St. was hugely behind Oblomo....

badbullgator
08-10-2010, 05:38 PM
We have a small town here that had to layoff about 30 firemen because real estate tanked and the population was cut by about 40% and thus the tax base went to hell. They just got stimulas money of some sort to rehire them. The only problem is nobody lives there any more so calls have gone way down. I can't say that none of them needed to be rehired but the town did not need ALL of them. Nothing against the firemen at all, but it is wasteful on the part of the goberment including the locals to say the least.

Buzz
08-10-2010, 09:12 PM
Who do you think is traditionally the biggest benefactor of the Democratic Party? Gee, I wonder why Wall St. was hugely behind Oblomo....

I must not be able to read graphs, I'm kinda retarded in that area. Help me out would ya?

The article is here:

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2010/08/financial-industry-related-politica.html

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/assets_c/2010/08/securgraph-thumb-440x241-1713.jpg

kjrice
08-10-2010, 11:37 PM
I must not be able to read graphs, I'm kinda retarded in that area. Help me out would ya?

The article is here:

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2010/08/financial-industry-related-politica.html

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/assets_c/2010/08/securgraph-thumb-440x241-1713.jpg

If there is a shift it is due to Oblomo and crew going a little too far left for even the finance industry, which their party blows (insert Frank joke here) on a regular basis. I can see that to support your stance you allowed for a whopping 1.5 year chart (very weak stance), with the major swing during, WHOOP, you guessed it, the Oblomo period. I guess they deem his socialist will a little to radical too.

Buzz
08-11-2010, 08:18 AM
The question is, why did the shift take place?

If Dems getting more money in the past was BAD on the assumption that Wall Street was lining their pockets to get legislation that they wanted, then what does it say about money now going to Reps?

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2010/02/04-10


Last week, House Minority Leader John Boehner of Ohio made a pitch to Democratic contributor James Dimon, the chairman and chief executive of J.P. Morgan, over drinks at a Capitol Hill restaurant, according to people familiar with the matter.

Mr. Boehner told Mr. Dimon congressional Republicans had stood up to Mr. Obama's efforts to curb pay and impose new regulations. The Republican leader also said he was disappointed many on Wall Street continue to donate their money to Democrats, according to the people familiar with the matter.

I love the hypocrisy.

paul young
08-11-2010, 08:33 AM
i'm willing to bet hard cash that ANYBODY on here whose house was on fire would not bitch that too many firefighters answered the call.

and as far as law enforcement goes, i'll just point to all the howling for more enforcement personnel along the U.S.-Mexican border. apparently ther local law enforcement is overwhelmed according to what i read here. would it make sense for them to reduce their police forces?

if it wasn't for unions, the non-union workers would not enjoy the wages and benefits they do today. how easy you forget.-Paul

Buzz
08-11-2010, 08:44 AM
i'm willing to bet hard cash that ANYBODY on here whose house was on fire would not bitch that too many firefighters answered the call.

and as far as law enforcement goes, i'll just point to all the howling for more enforcement personnel along the U.S.-Mexican border. apparently ther local law enforcement is overwhelmed according to what i read here. would it make sense for them to reduce their police forces?

if it wasn't for unions, the non-union workers would not enjoy the wages and benefits they do today. how easy you forget.-Paul

And how about this excerpt from the article linked by the OP.


The sprawling city of roughly 400,000 at the foot of Pike’s Peak — which covers 194 square miles — made national news when it auctioned off its police helicopters. But less-heralded police cuts could have more impact: the force, which had 687 officers two years ago, is down to 643 and dropping. At any given time, the department estimates that there is a 23 percent chance that all units will be busy.

Isn't that sweet? There is an almost 1 in 4 chance that when you dial 911, no one will be available to respond to that call. Here is an interesting graphic I saw today in the Washington Post:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/assets_c/2010/08/tumblr_l6yd9pIuy61qbvyfno1_500-thumb-454x270-23596.jpg

I guess the thing that bugs me about federal money going to these places is this:


To close a budget gap — the city’s voters, many of whom favor smaller government, turned down a property tax increase in November, and a taxpayer’s bill of rights makes it hard for city officials to raise taxes —

So why should we have to help those who won't help themselves?

aandw
08-11-2010, 10:42 AM
i'm willing to bet hard cash that ANYBODY on here whose house was on fire would not bitch that too many firefighters answered the call.

and as far as law enforcement goes, i'll just point to all the howling for more enforcement personnel along the U.S.-Mexican border. apparently ther local law enforcement is overwhelmed according to what i read here. would it make sense for them to reduce their police forces?

if it wasn't for unions, the non-union workers would not enjoy the wages and benefits they do today. how easy you forget.-Paul

illegal immigration is a fed issue. i would have thought you got the memo.

aandw
08-11-2010, 10:44 AM
And how about this excerpt from the article linked by the OP.



Isn't that sweet? There is an almost 1 in 4 chance that when you dial 911, no one will be available to respond to that call. Here is an interesting graphic I saw today in the Washington Post:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/assets_c/2010/08/tumblr_l6yd9pIuy61qbvyfno1_500-thumb-454x270-23596.jpg

I guess the thing that bugs me about federal money going to these places is this:



So why should we have to help those who won't help themselves?

great question. do you only apply it to issues that suit you?

ducknwork
08-11-2010, 10:48 AM
and as far as law enforcement goes, i'll just point to all the howling for more enforcement personnel along the U.S.-Mexican border. apparently ther local law enforcement is overwhelmed according to what i read here. would it make sense for them to reduce their police forces?
-Paul

Arizona has attempted to take care of this themselves. Perhaps you haven't heard, but the feds won't allow them to do it. So, naturally, shouldn't the feds be there taking care of illegals without any 'howling for more enforcement personnel'?

paul young
08-11-2010, 10:49 AM
illegal immigration is a fed issue. i would have thought you got the memo.

supposedly, although the statistics show otherwise, they are being inundated with crimes being perpetrated by illegal immigrants. those crimes are investigated and the criminals pursued by local and state police. but i guess that was in a seperate "memo".-Paul

paul young
08-11-2010, 10:52 AM
Arizona has attempted to take care of this themselves. Perhaps you haven't heard, but the feds won't allow them to do it. So, naturally, shouldn't the feds be there taking care of illegals without any 'howling for more enforcement personnel'?

Duck, we could line up border patrol shoulder to shoulder and they'd still whine. it's an election year and they need a diversion.-Paul

ducknwork
08-11-2010, 10:54 AM
Duck, we could line up border patrol shoulder to shoulder and they'd still whine. it's an election year and they need a diversion.-Paul

Maybe they would find something else to whine about.

Do you not think that lack of enforcement from the feds (translation:feds not doing their job) is worthy of 'whining'? I know I hear a bunch of whining around work from the peanut gallery when I don't do my job!

WaterDogRem
08-11-2010, 10:57 AM
I guess the thing that bugs me about federal money going to these places is this:

Quote:
To close a budget gap — the city’s voters, many of whom favor smaller government, turned down a property tax increase in November, and a taxpayer’s bill of rights makes it hard for city officials to raise taxes —

So why should we have to help those who won't help themselves?

I'm not sure what city you're quoting or any of the details behind the budget gap & voting, but could they be trying to help themselves by telling the local gov to find others ways to close the budget gap, like decreasing the size of their gov & programs? I agree fed money should not go to help them fix their budget problems. The only fed money they should recieve is for fed issues & programs forced upon them.

kjrice
08-11-2010, 12:18 PM
i'm willing to bet hard cash that ANYBODY on here whose house was on fire would not bitch that too many firefighters answered the call.

and as far as law enforcement goes, i'll just point to all the howling for more enforcement personnel along the U.S.-Mexican border. apparently ther local law enforcement is overwhelmed according to what i read here. would it make sense for them to reduce their police forces?

if it wasn't for unions, the non-union workers would not enjoy the wages and benefits they do today. how easy you forget.-Paul
I am not anti-union but I am anti-fraud-waste-and-abuse; regardless, if people are in a union or not. Local government doesn't run their ship like a business; instead, they run an employment service.

badbullgator
08-11-2010, 01:27 PM
i'm willing to bet hard cash that ANYBODY on here whose house was on fire would not bitch that too many firefighters answered the call.

and as far as law enforcement goes, i'll just point to all the howling for more enforcement personnel along the U.S.-Mexican border. apparently ther local law enforcement is overwhelmed according to what i read here. would it make sense for them to reduce their police forces?

if it wasn't for unions, the non-union workers would not enjoy the wages and benefits they do today. how easy you forget.-Paul


It is not the firefighters that I am bitching about, it is the waste of our money that does not need to be spent. The fire cheif himself admits they do not need all of them. Car crashes (the number one call they recieve) are waaay down due to lower number of people living there and house fires are almost non-existant. Sorry but spending tax payer money for guys to sit around regardless of the profession is STUPID. Would you feel the same if it were people in the building permit dept that got hired back even though they are issuing zero permits or is it just firefighters that it is OK because you would be happy if more than were needed showed up to your house.
Waste is waste regards.

Buzz
08-11-2010, 01:34 PM
Duck, we could line up border patrol shoulder to shoulder and they'd still whine. it's an election year and they need a diversion.-Paul

They'd get pissed about the salaries and pensions. Is the border patrol union?

Buzz
08-11-2010, 01:39 PM
I'm not sure what city you're quoting or any of the details behind the budget gap & voting, but could they be trying to help themselves by telling the local gov to find others ways to close the budget gap, like decreasing the size of their gov & programs? I agree fed money should not go to help them fix their budget problems. The only fed money they should recieve is for fed issues & programs forced upon them.

It came from the article. The city is Colorado Springs.

The article I quoted said that when a call is made to the police, there is a 1 in 4 chance that there will be no one to respond. Yet they voted down a tax increase to keep the police on the job. That's their choice. If the government chooses to lay of police and the public can live with that response, that's fine by me.

road kill
08-11-2010, 02:15 PM
i'm willing to bet hard cash that ANYBODY on here whose house was on fire would not bitch that too many firefighters answered the call.

and as far as law enforcement goes, i'll just point to all the howling for more enforcement personnel along the U.S.-Mexican border. apparently ther local law enforcement is overwhelmed according to what i read here. would it make sense for them to reduce their police forces?

if it wasn't for unions, the non-union workers would not enjoy the wages and benefits they do today. how easy you forget.-Paul

Didn't Holder win a suit telling the locals to stay out of the border issue?

So the size of the "local" law enforcement units would not matter.
It's a federal issue.


Just sayin'........



RK

Buzz
08-11-2010, 02:23 PM
Didn't Holder win a suit telling the locals to stay out of the border issue?

So the size of the "local" law enforcement units would not matter.
It's a federal issue.


Just sayin'........



RK

You guys are talking about two different things.

road kill
08-11-2010, 02:26 PM
You guys are talking about two different things.

"i'll just point to all the howling for more enforcement personnel along the U.S.-Mexican border. apparently ther local law enforcement is overwhelmed according to what i read here. would it make sense for them to reduce their police forces?"

I don't think so, unless you think the locals may set up a speed trap??:D



RK

Nor_Cal_Angler
08-11-2010, 02:45 PM
And how about this excerpt from the article linked by the OP.



Isn't that sweet? There is an almost 1 in 4 chance that when you dial 911, no one will be available to respond to that call. Here is an interesting graphic I saw today in the Washington Post:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/assets_c/2010/08/tumblr_l6yd9pIuy61qbvyfno1_500-thumb-454x270-23596.jpg

I guess the thing that bugs me about federal money going to these places is this:



So why should we have to help those who won't help themselves?


I'm not sure what city you're quoting or any of the details behind the budget gap & voting, but could they be trying to help themselves by telling the local gov to find others ways to close the budget gap, like decreasing the size of their gov & programs? I agree fed money should not go to help them fix their budget problems. The only fed money they should recieve is for fed issues & programs forced upon them.


I am not anti-union but I am anti-fraud-waste-and-abuse; regardless, if people are in a union or not. Local government doesn't run their ship like a business; instead, they run an employment service.

Agreed,

Maybe it is as simple as people dont want the Tax Increases becasue they feel and or know that the money generated from the increase WILL NOT go to the respective department it is designed to...

I am sick and tired of voting yes for a measure to secure funds (tax increase) only to see NO WORK being done in the area where it was said to take place. The funds end up being diverted to this or diverted to that and slushed away for some pet project that had NOTHING to do with the measure...(speaking for CALI)

NCA

Buzz
08-11-2010, 03:00 PM
"i'll just point to all the howling for more enforcement personnel along the U.S.-Mexican border. apparently ther local law enforcement is overwhelmed according to what i read here. would it make sense for them to reduce their police forces?"

I don't think so, unless you think the locals may set up a speed trap??:D



RK


I heard that they are overwhelmed by crime committed by illegals. Different issue than doing immigration enforcement.

troy schwab
08-11-2010, 03:17 PM
I heard that they are overwhelmed by crime committed by illegals. Different issue than doing immigration enforcement.

Not really..... since if they enforced the immigration laws, they wouldnt be here.....

road kill
08-11-2010, 03:33 PM
Not really..... since if they enforced the immigration laws, they wouldnt be here.....
Details........:rolleyes:

At least someone got the point.


RK

WaterDogRem
08-11-2010, 03:41 PM
It came from the article. The city is Colorado Springs.

The article I quoted said that when a call is made to the police, there is a 1 in 4 chance that there will be no one to respond. Yet they voted down a tax increase to keep the police on the job. That's their choice. If the government chooses to lay of police and the public can live with that response, that's fine by me.

Sorry can't seem to find the article you are quoting, can you share again?

Wonder if anyone in this forum is from Colorado Springs and can give their experiences with this?

road kill
08-11-2010, 03:44 PM
Not really..... since if they enforced the immigration laws, they wouldnt be here.....


....and the locals were going to do the Feds job but Holder nixed it.




RK:D

badbullgator
08-11-2010, 05:34 PM
Seems the hits just keep coming here. Our county, like most others, is making drastic cuts to the budget. It seems that our sheriff's office bought sofware three years ago that would link many various LE systems together so that when a person was stopped they could find out any criminal background that person had. Sounds like a great crime fighting tool. Well they paid $750,000 for the software and then $100,000/year for the last three years for support for the system. The only problem with this system is that IT HAS NEVER BEEN INSTALLED!!!! They continue to pay the $100,000.year in support but have never even used the system. Now maybe your saying there is something wrong with the system, but NOOOOOO the news story showed three other departments that use it and said there are many more. Our sheriff has just not used it!
If this were anything other than a government agency that bought something for a huge sum of money and did not use it heads would roll and those responcible would no longer have jobs.
What say you to that Paul? Is that ok because they are cops and God know we want them to have every tool even if they don't use it
Waste is waste regards

JDogger
08-11-2010, 09:39 PM
Seems the hits just keep coming here. Our county, like most others, is making drastic cuts to the budget. It seems that our sheriff's office bought sofware three years ago that would link many various LE systems together so that when a person was stopped they could find out any criminal background that person had. Sounds like a great crime fighting tool. Well they paid $750,000 for the software and then $100,000/year for the last three years for support for the system. The only problem with this system is that IT HAS NEVER BEEN INSTALLED!!!! They continue to pay the $100,000.year in support but have never even used the system. Now maybe your saying there is something wrong with the system, but NOOOOOO the news story showed three other departments that use it and said there are many more. Our sheriff has just not used it!
If this were anything other than a government agency that bought something for a huge sum of money and did not use it heads would roll and those responcible would no longer have jobs.
What say you to that Paul? Is that ok because they are cops and God know we want them to have every tool even if they don't use it
Waste is waste regards

Are you talking about NCIC? Google it. I thought all PD's had access to it. If your county sheriff is not using it...new sheriff time. JD

PS I hear some of their info is outdated and corrupted. Hope there is no bad guy with the AKA, "badbullgator". But it wouldn't surprise if there were.

depittydawg
08-11-2010, 10:42 PM
I heard that they are overwhelmed by crime committed by illegals. Different issue than doing immigration enforcement.

Unfortunately for the hypsters, the statistics show that border cities have the lowest crime rates in the nation. OBut then, who cares about statistics in an election year?

badbullgator
08-12-2010, 06:03 AM
Unfortunately for the hypsters, the statistics show that border cities have the lowest crime rates in the nation. OBut then, who cares about statistics in an election year?

Sure as long as you dont count illegal border crossings as crime

road kill
08-12-2010, 06:06 AM
Unfortunately for the hypsters, the statistics show that border cities have the lowest crime rates in the nation. OBut then, who cares about statistics in an election year?

You mean statistics like;

The Debt
Unemployment
Dollar Value
Death toll in Afgahnistan
Skyrocketing Health care premium cost
Tax increases at all levels (fed state & local)
Uncontrolled spending in Congress
Oh, did I mention Unemployment?


Yeah, noone cares about any of those things!!

Brilliant observation!!:rolleyes:


RK

badbullgator
08-12-2010, 06:08 AM
Are you talking about NCIC? Google it. I thought all PD's had access to it. If your county sheriff is not using it...new sheriff time. JD

PS I hear some of their info is outdated and corrupted. Hope there is no bad guy with the AKA, "badbullgator". But it wouldn't surprise if there were.


No, I believe this one is not NCIC but I am not sure. The bad part is that while I agree with the new sheriff time in most cases like this, our current sheriff is by far the best we have ever had.....prior we had decades and decades of good old boys this is our first really qualified sheriff. The GOB's worked back in the day but we are far from a small town any more :(

badbullgator
08-12-2010, 07:17 AM
One more.
While listening to the radio on the way to work I hear that in the city just south of mine, the city workers union is complaining that they do not make as much money as other city workers in the state. This group does not include fire or police. It was pointed out that while they may not make as much as some workers in other cities around the state their wages and benefits are higher than non-city workers in the same jobs in the private sector. This city like every other city is have to make drastic cutbacks and yet the workers who are already paid more than private sector workers want more money.
Some people just don’t get it.

road kill
08-12-2010, 07:26 AM
One more.
While listening to the radio on the way to work I hear that in the city just south of mine, the city workers union is complaining that they do not make as much money as other city workers in the state. This group does not include fire or police. It was pointed out that while they may not make as much as some workers in other cities around the state their wages and benefits are higher than non-city workers in the same jobs in the private sector. This city like every other city is have to make drastic cutbacks and yet the workers who are already paid more than private sector workers want more money.
Some people just donít get it.

Oh contrare', they totally get it!!
And we pay for it.


RK

Buzz
08-12-2010, 08:07 AM
Sorry can't seem to find the article you are quoting, can you share again?

Wonder if anyone in this forum is from Colorado Springs and can give their experiences with this?

Check the article linked by they original post that started this whole thread.

WaterDogRem
08-12-2010, 02:31 PM
Check the article linked by they original post that started this whole thread.

Ah, sorry I thought you were quoting from your posted articles.

However, I don't see where Colorado Springs is taking Fed money to make up for the budget gap. Read a Fed loan was considered due to the low interest rate. But, it sounds like the citizens are dealing with their choice. Volunteers, clubs, and donations have been helping keep the gov parks, pools, museums, etc. running. Crime hasn't increased. Funny how there are some people that have become dependent with an entitlement mentality about things they think the gov has to give them, and will be the ones yelling the loudest with media coverage. But appears the majority of CS citizens are willing to stand up for what they believe in, small gov, and take responsibility for themselves. Would be nice to see more communities and citizens taking an increased personal responsibility, and maybe there would be more true communities again.