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Uncle Bill
08-24-2010, 06:00 PM
Millions are hoping so, but none more than this dude.
Read and enjoy a man that tells it like it is. I am envious of his wordsmithing.

UB

Dear Ms. Pelosi:
I write to you out of utter disdain! You are as despicable and un-American as the traitor Jane Fonda.


I am a soon to be 65 year-old who has voted in every state and local election since 1966. I have voted for both Republicans and Democrats alike. I have worked on campaigns for both Republicans and Democrats, white and black. I served the country that I love in Vietnam , as my son did in the Middle East . I was awarded two bronze stars. I have been involved in politics since age 6 when my father was campaign manager for a truly great American Congressman, Charles Raper Jonas, who worked for his constituents and his country, and was to be admired, unlike you.


You obviously haven’t read the Constitution recently, if ever, the Federalist Papers, or even David McCullough’s book on John Adams. You ought to take the time while riding around in your government provided luxury executive jet to do just that. You represent Socialistic and even Marxist principals that our founding fathers tried to avoid when setting out the capitalistic republican form of government represented by our Constitution.


I find it interesting that you and your husband are multi-millionaires with much of your fortune being made as a result of your “public service”. You have controlled legislation that has enhanced your husband’s investments both on and off shore. At the same time you redistributed the wealth of others. Our system of a free market economy is being destroyed by the likes of you, Harry Reid, and now our President. You ride around in a Gulfstream airplane at the tax payer’s expense while criticizing the presidents of companies who produced something for the economy. You add nothing to the economy of the United States ; you only subtract therefrom.


I would like to suggest that you return to the city of fruitcakes and nuts and eat your husband’s canned tuna and pineapple produced by illegal immigrants and by workers who have been excluded from the protection that 90% of the legal workers in the United States have.


I await your defeat in the next election with glee.


Don’t ever use the term “un-American” again for protesters who love this country and are exercising their rights upon which this country was founded. By the way, while I served in the Army, I was spit on by the same type of lunatics who support you and who you probably supported in the 60’s and 70’s. You are an embarrassment to all of us who served so that you would have the protected right of free speech to call us un-American. But at the same time, I have the right to write you to notify you that I consider you to be un-American, as do the majority of the people of this formerly great country. You are a true disgrace to most of the people who served this country by offering themselves for public service in the United States Congress.


I feel certain your aides will not share this letter with you, but I intend to share it with many.



Dennis L. Guthrie

Doug Kennedy
08-24-2010, 10:31 PM
This is the person that probably has the most power in the Democratic party. She holds the purse strings and to get anything thru money wise it has to go thru her...money talks power

depittydawg
08-24-2010, 10:47 PM
This is the person that probably has the most power in the Democratic party. She holds the purse strings and to get anything thru money wise it has to go thru her...money talks power

The Power rests in the Senate. Most of Pelosi's agenda has died in the Senate. I don't believe the Senate was originally designed to have as much power as they currently wield. The stalemate and abuse of Filibuster rules have basically put a strangle hold on reform of American Policy. Pelosi is powerless to confront that.
My perception of what is happening is that Wall Street pretty much owns and controls the leadership of both parties in the Senate. The two political parties play a game of hit and run with each other bouncing the blame for lack of good government off each other. Many voters, probably about 50%, the base of both parties, have unfortunately, bought into this "blame game". It's a beautifully orchestrated camouflage of hide and seek. Decade after decade, we turn to twiddly dum or twiddly dee only to be let down while our country continues its spiral of decline.

Eric Johnson
08-24-2010, 11:40 PM
The Senate is acting in its original intent.

The Senate has two members per state. Originally the Senators were selected by the state legislatures...until 1913. IOW, the Senate was never supposed to be a popular body but rather was to be deliberative.

DD....you oughta listen in American history class.

Eric

JDogger
08-24-2010, 11:42 PM
The Power rests in the Senate. Most of Pelosi's agenda has died in the Senate. I don't believe the Senate was originally designed to have as much power as they currently wield. The stalemate and abuse of Filibuster rules have basically put a strangle hold on reform of American Policy. Pelosi is powerless to confront that.
My perception of what is happening is that Wall Street pretty much owns and controls the leadership of both parties in the Senate. The two political parties play a game of hit and run with each other bouncing the blame for lack of good government off each other. Many voters, probably about 50%, the base of both parties, have unfortunately, bought into this "blame game". It's a beautifully orchestrated camouflage of hide and seek. Decade after decade, we turn to twiddly dum or twiddly dee only to be let down while our country continues its spiral of decline.

Ahhh, DD "gets it".

Bill Spitzer asks,

"Any chance we can de-throne Pelosi?"

A very good chance Bill...but to what end?

Replace one "owned" politician with just another?

The game will play out in November as surely as the sun rises, and the only thing that will change is who attacks who on POTUS PLACE.

WIN... and gird your loins. The attacks will be as relentless and mindless as they are now. They'll just come from another camp.

At some point will we "get it", Oh maybe...

...JD

Hew
08-25-2010, 12:42 AM
The Senate is acting in its original intent.

The Senate has two members per state. Originally the Senators were selected by the state legislatures...until 1913. IOW, the Senate was never supposed to be a popular body but rather was to be deliberative. Exactly. The Senate was designed to apply the brakes to over-reaching, purely populist legislation. There's the famous story about a conversation between George Washington and Thomas Jefferson where Washington equates the Senate to a saucer cooling the over-heated contents of a coffee cup (the House). You might have heard of those guys, DD...they are two of those old-timey dudes with the funny wigs who founded the country. You're probably only aware of them in the context of their slave owning history, but they also did some other bitchin' stuff, too.

DD....you oughta listen in American history class. History is for biatches, dude. It's way more fun to just make sh!t up that fits the story you're tryin' to tell.
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JDogger
08-25-2010, 01:24 AM
Entry from December 07, 2009
“The Senate is the saucer into which we pour legislation to cool” (Senatorial saucer)
The “Senatorial saucer” conversation between George Washington and Thomas Jefferson is part of U.S. Senate legend. Jefferson had returned from France and was breakfasting with Washington. Jefferson asked Washington why he agreed to have a Senate.

“Why,” said Washington, “did you just now pour that coffee into your saucer before drinking it?”

“To cool it,” said Jefferson; “my throat is not made of brass.”

“Even so,” said Washington, “we pour our legislation into the Senatorial saucer to cool it.”

The first evidence of this story appears in 1871. There were only a few witnesses to this conversation (if it took place), so the story might or might not be apocryphal. Some versions involve coffee, while other versions involve tea.

http://www.barrypopik.com/index.php/new_york_city/entry/the_senate_is_the_saucer_into_which_we_pour_legisl ation_to_cool/

We all make stuff up, as suits our needs, hew. In any event, the actions of the Senate might have veered in the last couple of centuries...JD

Uncle Bill
08-25-2010, 01:07 PM
Ahhh, DD "gets it".

Bill Spitzer asks,

"Any chance we can de-throne Pelosi?"

A very good chance Bill...but to what end?

Replace one "owned" politician with just another?


...JD


It MAY happen that way. It MAY take a couple elections to get rid of your socialist oligarchy. I can only hope so for the sake of even your grandchildren.

If you can't see this administration ruining what was once a great nation, I pity your family and what they have in front of them. If you suddenly "get it", and begin to see how far in the toilet the present administration, with it's toady MSP supporting all that they do, has started flushing down what is important to a freedom loving country, welcome on board. Otherwise you are just a major part of the problem, and your future generations will be under sharia law, and as dependant on government as the unfortunates in New Orleans.

UB

JDogger
08-26-2010, 12:53 AM
It MAY happen that way. It MAY take a couple elections to get rid of your socialist oligarchy. I can only hope so for the sake of even your grandchildren.

If you can't see this administration ruining what was once a great nation, I pity your family and what they have in front of them. If you suddenly "get it", and begin to see how far in the toilet the present administration, with it's toady MSP supporting all that they do, has started flushing down what is important to a freedom loving country, welcome on board. Otherwise you are just a major part of the problem, and your future generations will be under sharia law, and as dependant on government as the unfortunates in New Orleans.

UB

Sharia law??? Sharia Law??? Bill, what makes you think that you and me, and millions others, not to mention millions of illegals, mostly Roman Catholics are going to be rolled over, and come under the Rule of Mecca, because a mosque was built in NYC?
Have you been huffing the crock of jenkem steamed by the right-wing internet? I suspect so.
The sky is not falling on a freedom loving country.
Obama, (and he dissapoints me as well! For different reasons, however.)
is not the downfall of the USA. The political pendulum will surely swing, but when it does, don't be surprised if things remain much the same.
This country has been on a road to change for decades now. It will never be the way it was, or we remember it was.
It was not to long ago, I had a wind-up alarm clock, now my cell phone wakes me up. (well, mostly)

The world is changing around us. You can adapt and modify, or perish.

We post now on an internet BB. How quickly we learned to do that!

We can carp, bleat, warble and moan on PP to our heart's desire, but neither you, I, nor anyone else, will win any converts here on the internet.

We might seek, and get a slap on the back once and again, but it's mostly just blah, blah, blah.

At least I didn't just copy and paste someone else's thoughts, or give a link.

I tried to express my own thoughts. JDogger

M&K's Retrievers
08-26-2010, 01:03 AM
Sharia law??? Sharia Law??? Bill, what makes you think that you and me, and millions others, not to mention millions of illegals, mostly Roman Catholics are going to be rolled over, and come under the Rule of Mecca, because a mosque was built in NYC?
Have you been huffing the crock of jenkem steamed by the right-wing internet? I suspect so.
The sky is not falling on a freedom loving country.
Obama, (and he dissapoints me as well! For different reasons, however.)
is not the downfall of the USA. The political pendulum will surely swing, but when it does, don't be surprised if things remain much the same.
This country has been on a road to change for decades now. It will never be the way it was, or we remember it was.
It was not to long ago, I had a wind-up alarm clock, now my cell phone wakes me up. (well, mostly)

The world is changing around us. You can adapt and modify, or perish.

We post now on an internet BB. How quickly we learned to do that!

We can carp, bleat, warble and moan on PP to our heart's desire, but neither you, I, nor anyone else, will win any converts here on the internet.

We might seek, and get a slap on the back once and again, but it's mostly just blah, blah, blah.

At least I didn't just copy and paste someone else's thoughts, or give a link.

I tried to express my own thoughts. JDogger

I hope it's somewhere between you two but I'm not sure that will be so great either. I'll get the lights.

road kill
08-26-2010, 07:35 AM
Ahhh, DD "gets it".

Bill Spitzer asks,

"Any chance we can de-throne Pelosi?"

A very good chance Bill...but to what end?

Replace one "owned" politician with just another?

The game will play out in November as surely as the sun rises, and the only thing that will change is who attacks who on POTUS PLACE.

WIN... and gird your loins. The attacks will be as relentless and mindless as they are now. They'll just come from another camp.

At some point will we "get it", Oh maybe...

...JD

Is it lonely??

I mean being the only ONE that "gets it??"


RK

troy schwab
08-26-2010, 10:21 AM
Any chance someone could run her over with a Chevy?????? I hope so......

BrianW
08-26-2010, 10:21 AM
Sharia law??? Sharia Law??? Bill, what makes you think that you and me, and millions others, come under the Rule of Mecca...,
The sky is not falling on a freedom loving country.
Obama, (and he dissapoints me as well! For different reasons, however.)
is not the downfall of the USA. ...
This country has been on a road to change for decades now. It will never be the way it was, or we remember it was.

The world is changing around us. You can adapt and modify, or perish.

I tried to express my own thoughts. JDogger

If the population demographic projections are right, it won't be long before Muslims are the predominant majority of minority by sheer force of numbers. They will be able to get folks elected, through those numbers and $'s, who if not outright supporters of, will be sympathetic to shariah law just as the mosque imam writes and speaks about now. He speaks of "our shared values, life, liberty and happiness" but only under the mantle of shariah. And look, he's an official spokesman of the State Dept, right now and we're paying for his travels in the Mid East! Where's that valued separation of chuch & state?
I agree that "the sky is not falling" on the USA , but rather the groundwork and foundations are being slowly but surely eroded away under our feet. Much as the relentless pounding of the waves change the rocks of a breakwater protecting a safe harbor. You don't see it in a day or two, or even a couple of years but come back in 20 years or 50 and be amazed.

Obama, imo, is not THE downfall of our country, but rather the accelerator of it. His disregard for the Constitution's limits on government, our country's breakwater, combined with a enabling Congress, sets a precedent for others to follow who may be even more radical than him. He didn't even really hide his agenda but, I believe, most folks thought it wouldn't come into play the way it has.

Most of us don't recognize our country now from the one we grew up in but this is still a relatively slow pace. Combine a charismatic (real) Muslim President, elected in the name of "tolerance & diversity", that is willing to disregard contracts, impose fines/criminal penalties for not participating in government programs and then appoint some avowed fundamentalist "czars" in place of some of the ones like O has put in, who don't believe in a traditional America. and don't have to be approved by Congress. That could be a nightmare that this country might never wake from.

Uncle Bill
08-26-2010, 12:00 PM
We can carp, bleat, warble and moan on PP to our heart's desire, but neither you, I, nor anyone else, will win any converts here on the internet.

We might seek, and get a slap on the back once and again, but it's mostly just blah, blah, blah.

At least I didn't just copy and paste someone else's thoughts, or give a link.

I tried to express my own thoughts. JDogger



Expressing "your own thoughts" takes all of 5 minutes. What else do you have to enlighten us? More of your own stupidity?

I don't claim to have the answers like you and your Dimmycrat socialists. So I post some writings of those that say things I believe in...and more importantly, things this batch of sheeple need to hear and read. But like them, you just go along to get along.

When we had the Soviets breathing down our necks, prior to the Reagan years, it's my guess you would have allowed them on US soil, and would have only objected when their tanks made a left turn onto main street of your hometown, New Mexico. You are lucky a real American that had principles kept this nation safe.

As I have repeated frequently, Obama isn't the problem, YOU and your ilk are the problem in this nation. As long as you continue to vote your feelings, you would put the anti-Christ in the POTUS chair.

I no longer pity people like you, just those unsuspecting offspring that haven't a clue where you are leading them. Someday the realization will hit you between the eyes, but by your way of thinking, it will be too late. When you can just poo-poo what's happening in the muslim world, and gloss over their up-front warnings of how they intend to kill you and those you haven't protected, you may decide you shouldn't have been so close-minded to what the founding fathers are rolling over in their graves about what you libs have brought down on this nation.


UB

troy schwab
08-26-2010, 12:41 PM
I no longer pity people like you, just those unsuspecting offspring that haven't a clue where you are leading them. Someday the realization will hit you between the eyes, but by your way of thinking, it will be too late. When you can just poo-poo what's happening in the muslim world, and gloss over their up-front warnings of how they intend to kill you and those you haven't protected, you may decide you shouldn't have been so close-minded to what the founding fathers are rolling over in their graves about what you libs have brought down on this nation.


UB

Well said Uncle Bill! IMO, it is a shame.......

JDogger
08-26-2010, 09:19 PM
Is it lonely??

I mean being the only ONE that "gets it??"


RK

No lonelier than it must be in the shallow end of the pool...;-)

But...wait...wait...I'm wrong again.:p

You have lots of company over there.

They are all shouting, " be afraid, be very afraid, the water might rise above our heads."

"Then what should we do?" They warble.

"We must get out of the pool." They cry.

Then most on the shallow end reach for the ladder, and pull themselves to safety, rather than learning how to swim.

Bummer. JD

depittydawg
08-26-2010, 10:25 PM
The Senate is acting in its original intent.

The Senate has two members per state. Originally the Senators were selected by the state legislatures...until 1913. IOW, the Senate was never supposed to be a popular body but rather was to be deliberative.

DD....you oughta listen in American history class.

Eric

Let me paraphrase what you said. Your opinion is the the Senate is acting in a manner that is consistent with it's historical performance. Unfortunately, the data is not in your favor Eric.

http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/2010/01/filibuster-chart/
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/01/the-rise-of-cloture-how-gop-filibuster-threats-have-changed-the-senate.php
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/31/republican-filibusters-skyrocket/
never have so many filibusters been threatened as in the first session of the 110th Congress. In just the first year, Republicans filibustered more legislation, and required more cloture votes to break those filibusters, than in any Congress in recent history. By the time this term ends, Congress could well more than double the number of cloture votes of previous Congresses — including the ones that Republicans controlled and complained of Democratic 'obstruction.'

depittydawg
08-26-2010, 10:45 PM
It MAY happen that way. It MAY take a couple elections to get rid of your socialist oligarchy. I can only hope so for the sake of even your grandchildren.

If you can't see this administration ruining what was once a great nation, I pity your family and what they have in front of them. If you suddenly "get it", and begin to see how far in the toilet the present administration, with it's toady MSP supporting all that they do, has started flushing down what is important to a freedom loving country, welcome on board. Otherwise you are just a major part of the problem, and your future generations will be under sharia law, and as dependant on government as the unfortunates in New Orleans.

UB
Yep. "This Great Nation" was humming on all cylinders when the reigns of power were handed over from the Robber Barron Administration that preceded it. What is important is that a simple majority of American's eventually "get it", and quit allowing themselves to be baited, duped, or otherwise tricked into thinking that either the Democratic or the Republican Political parties currently is supplying ANY constructive solutions to the problems that the nation faces.
I will agree with you Hew, that the current administration has proven to be incompetent in providing effective leadership and progress in solving the problems they inherited. My question for you is pretty simple. What is the alternative? Can you, or anyone else articulate to me what it is the Republican party is proposing that is different than the failed policies of the previous administration that brought us to this point? I want to know. I'd love to switch back and support them. But for the life of me, I haven't heard of ANY ideas yet.

depittydawg
08-26-2010, 10:48 PM
No lonelier than it must be in the shallow end of the pool...;-)

But...wait...wait...I'm wrong again.:p

You have lots of company over there.

They are all shouting, " be afraid, be very afraid, the water might rise above our heads."

"Then what should we do?" They warble.

"We must get out of the pool." They cry.

Then most on the shallow end reach for the ladder, and pull themselves to safety, rather than learning how to swim.

Bummer. JD

Very nice.

Eric Johnson
08-26-2010, 10:53 PM
Don't need to reference your links. Do you know what "deliberative" means?

The filibusters are a part of the Senate living up to the Founders expectations. I commend to you Federalist #62, "The Senate" which includes:

"Another advantage accruing from this ingredient in the constitution of the Senate is, the additional impediment it must prove against improper acts of legislation. No law or resolution can now be passed without the concurrence, first, of a majority of the people, and then, of a majority of the States. It must be acknowledged that this complicated check on legislation may in some instances be injurious as well as beneficial; and that the peculiar defense which it involves in favor of the smaller States, would be more rational, if any interests common to them, and distinct from those of the other States, would otherwise be exposed to peculiar danger."

Eric

ducknwork
08-27-2010, 07:23 AM
No lonelier than it must be in the shallow end of the pool...;-)

But...wait...wait...I'm wrong again.:p

You have lots of company over there.

They are all shouting, " be afraid, be very afraid, the water might rise above our heads."

"Then what should we do?" They warble.

"We must get out of the pool." They cry.

Then most on the shallow end reach for the ladder, and pull themselves to safety, rather than learning how to swim.

Bummer. JD

You really think you are smarter than everyone else, don't you?

JDogger
08-27-2010, 11:00 AM
You really think you are smarter than everyone else, don't you?

No...sarcastic...maybe.


Quote:
Originally Posted by road kill http://www.retrievertraining.net/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.retrievertraining.net/forums/showthread.php?p=666985#post666985)
Is it lonely??

I mean being the only ONE that "gets it??"


RK

I suppose you think I should not respond in kind to a sarcastic jab? Or to accusations of stupidity?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Bill http://www.retrievertraining.net/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.retrievertraining.net/forums/showthread.php?p=667089#post667089)
What else do you have to enlighten us? More of your own stupidity?
UB

Get real Duck.

JD

__________________

ducknwork
08-27-2010, 12:00 PM
Forgot this JDog? You know the post that preceded RK's comment? You know, the one where you explain to us for the umpteenth time the same thing, all the while implying that we don't 'get it' and you do? If I had a nickel for everytime you typed something to this effect, I would be able to eat on $.37/day instead of $.32...for the next year...;)

So you get real. You are not the only one here with at least half a brain.



Ahhh, DD "gets it".

Bill Spitzer asks,

"Any chance we can de-throne Pelosi?"

A very good chance Bill...but to what end?

Replace one "owned" politician with just another?

The game will play out in November as surely as the sun rises, and the only thing that will change is who attacks who on POTUS PLACE.

WIN... and gird your loins. The attacks will be as relentless and mindless as they are now. They'll just come from another camp.

At some point will we "get it", Oh maybe...

...JD

JDogger
08-27-2010, 12:17 PM
Forgot this JDog? You know the post that preceded RK's comment? You know, the one where you explain to us for the umpteenth time the same thing, all the while implying that we don't 'get it' and you do? If I had a nickel for everytime you typed something to this effect, I would be able to eat on $.37/day instead of $.32...for the next year...;)

So you get real. You are not the only one here with at least half a brain.

I implied nothing. You inferred something that was not there. All I said was "DD gets it." How you turn that around to me saying that, "I get it, but you don't", is a mystery to me.

I closed my post with, "At some point will WE "get it", Oh maybe..."

'We' not 'you'. There is a difference.

BTW Both sides think they know it all.:rolleyes:

JD

ducknwork
08-27-2010, 03:17 PM
I implied nothing. You inferred something that was not there. All I said was "DD gets it." How you turn that around to me saying that, "I get it, but you don't", is a mystery to me.So you didn't think anyone could see through you? Oh, we must not be as intelligent as the great JDogger...:rolleyes:

I closed my post with, "At some point will WE "get it", Oh maybe..."

'We' not 'you'. There is a difference.Yeah, sure. See your last quote.

BTW Both sides think they know it all.:rolleyes:But you think you know more than anyone...

JD

Please don't insult my insult my intelligence with your BS response. You know what you were implying but you are trying to weasel your way out of it and look like the victim.:rolleyes:

Let me help you see it more clearly.

RK accuses you of thinking you are 'smarter' that the rest of us.

Is it lonely??

I mean being the only ONE that "gets it??"


RK


You admit that you think you are in the very first sentence. The answer 'yes' is implied in this sentence.

With all the 'theys' you sure seem to be putting yourself in a different category than everyone else...I guess you are in the deep end and not including yourself in 'we', huh?

No lonelier than it must be in the shallow end of the pool...;-)
But...wait...wait...I'm wrong again.:p

You have lots of company over there.

They are all shouting, " be afraid, be very afraid, the water might rise above our heads."

"Then what should we do?" They warble.

"We must get out of the pool." They cry.

Then most on the shallow end reach for the ladder, and pull themselves to safety, rather than learning how to swim.

Bummer. JD




Ahhh, DD "gets it".How can you know if DD gets it if you don't get it?

Bill Spitzer asks,

"Any chance we can de-throne Pelosi?"

A very good chance Bill...but to what end?

Replace one "owned" politician with just another?

The game will play out in November as surely as the sun rises, and the only thing that will change is who attacks who on POTUS PLACE.

WIN... and gird your loins. The attacks will be as relentless and mindless as they are now. They'll just come from another camp.

At some point will we "get it", Oh maybe...So don't try to play off the 'we' to include you, when you obviously believe that you 'get it' and we don't...

...JD