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M&K's Retrievers
09-15-2010, 06:30 PM
Latest numbers from The AP

http://www.ap-gfkpoll.com/

Hoosier
09-15-2010, 07:19 PM
I can't believe 40% think we're moving in the right direction.

YardleyLabs
09-15-2010, 08:24 PM
If you look at the same questions from The same period in 2008, 0% believed we were heading in the wrong direction and 26% believed we were headed in the right direction. 40% is bad but still a big improvement. I would hate to go back to September 2008.

depittydawg
09-15-2010, 09:54 PM
Latest numbers from The AP

http://www.ap-gfkpoll.com/

What irritates and scares me is that leadership in neither of our political parties seems to concerned about this...

david gibson
09-15-2010, 10:26 PM
If you look at the same questions from The same period in 2008, 0% believed we were heading in the wrong direction and 26% believed we were headed in the right direction. 40% is bad but still a big improvement. I would hate to go back to September 2008.

there you go again, take a point and twist it to your desire.
i'll take september 2008 to today any time!

oh wait - we had freaking hurricane Ike in september 2008!!!

other than that, no biggie!

remember - we still had "in God we trust" on our currency and "one nation, under God" in our pledge. surely any year like that is a bad year for the likes of you

david gibson
09-15-2010, 10:29 PM
I can't believe 40% think we're moving in the right direction.


sadly, no one can. the best of us cant believe that many do think that, and the jeff godwins and dave ferraros's cant believe so few think that.


pretty scary, eh??

road kill
09-16-2010, 06:10 AM
If you look at the same questions from The same period in 2008, 0% believed we were heading in the wrong direction and 26% believed we were headed in the right direction. 40% is bad but still a big improvement. I would hate to go back to September 2008.

So, you are claiming you are better of today than you were 2 years ago??

Try to answer honestly!!:D


RK

dnf777
09-16-2010, 09:13 AM
sadly, no one can. the best of us cant believe that many do think that, and the jeff godwins and dave ferraros's cant believe so few think that.


pretty scary, eh??

Thank you very much, but I'll speak for myself, if you don't mind.

Ever since NAFTA has been in effect, I have not thought the economy is on a good track. Ever since K-street has taken over our democracy, I have not thought the economy (or entire country) is on the right track.

The tax rate for the upper echelons wavering between 36 and 40 percent may hurt the dining out activities and yacht sales, but probably has much less effect than the massive spending that neither party seems to be able to fix. Part of that reason is our policing of the world, and picking up the tab for other countrie's security.

How much has Saudi Arabia kicked into middle east security, be it in Naval patrols, or the Iraq/Astan wars, which supposedly made the world safer.

depittydawg
09-16-2010, 10:17 PM
So, you are claiming you are better of today than you were 2 years ago??

Try to answer honestly!!:D


RK

I can honestly answer that I am MUCH better off than I was two years ago. :D Aren't you?

Clay Rogers
09-16-2010, 10:26 PM
I can honestly answer that I am MUCH better off than I was two years ago. :D Aren't you?

NO, I am not. Can you give details as to how you are Much better off now than 2 years ago? Besides being off your meds and all. We got that figured out.

Marvin S
09-16-2010, 10:34 PM
Ever since NAFTA has been in effect, I have not thought the economy is on a good track.

Somehow methinks NAFTA has become a convenient scapegoat. I think there are underlying issues that have contributed to NAFTA's success.


Ever since K-street has taken over our democracy, I have not thought the economy (or entire country) is on the right track.

Only took it over because of the type of people elected - both parties.


The tax rate for the upper echelons wavering between 36 and 40 percent may hurt the dining out activities and yacht sales, but probably has much less effect than the massive spending that neither party seems to be able to fix.

Like the AMT, which was meant to nail the coupon clippers, this is only aimed long term at the middle class. Dining out & yacht sales do create real jobs :cool:.


Part of that reason is our policing of the world, and picking up the tab for other countrie's security.

How much has Saudi Arabia kicked into middle east security, be it in Naval patrols, or the Iraq/Astan wars, which supposedly made the world safer.

This I agree with somewhat - as policeman to the world we need to be smarter about it at a lower cost. We could start by moving the UN to Africa - like where the pirates hang out.

M&K's Retrievers
09-16-2010, 10:47 PM
I can honestly answer that I am MUCH better off than I was two years ago. :D Aren't you?

Let me think about that for a minute. NO! I could give you specifics but I doubt you have a tall enough ladder.

M&K's Retrievers
09-16-2010, 10:55 PM
Can you give details as to how you are Much better off now than 2 years ago?

That would be like providing a link. Ain't gonna happen.

JDogger
09-16-2010, 11:14 PM
That would be like providing a link. Ain't gonna happen.

No link Mike, but I paid off all debt in the last two years, including mortgage. Debt free now. Socking cash away.

Sales are still down 25%, but profits are still good. I stopped giving things away. I learned to work a little harder. Wish the dogs would as well. :)

Adapt, modify your tactics, cut costs were you can, and last but not least, be prepared to chase... If what you're doing ain't working, find out what does. There's money being made out there still. Sometimes it just means staring into the void and re-inventing.

JD

Clay Rogers
09-16-2010, 11:24 PM
No link Mike, but I paid off all debt in the last two years, including mortgage. Debt free now. Socking cash away.

Sales are still down 25%, but profits are still good. I stopped giving things away. I learned to work a little harder. Wish the dogs would as well. :)

Adapt, modify your tactics, cut costs were you can, and last but not least, be prepared to chase... If what you're doing ain't working, find out what does. There's money being made out there still. Sometimes it just means staring into the void and re-inventing.

JD

And all that has to do with Obama and his leadership how?

By the way, you sure got a nice place out there.

depittydawg
09-16-2010, 11:29 PM
NO, I am not. Can you give details as to how you are Much better off now than 2 years ago? Besides being off your meds and all. We got that figured out.

Sorry to hear your not doing well. My career has been rejuvenated, I have less debt, and more assets. My 401K is up significantly. I had the foresight to get out of the markets prior to the last Bush crash. And back in for the Market rebound. Health is about the same. No changes, no issues. Except my healthcare premiums have decreased several hundred dollars a month. Family is doing well, kids are closer to graduating from Universities. I've got a lot to be thankful for. How are you worse off. Sorry to hear your not doing well. I know a lot of people aren't. Been there. It's tough.

depittydawg
09-16-2010, 11:40 PM
Let me think about that for a minute. NO! I could give you specifics but I doubt you have a tall enough ladder.

Not sure what you mean here. But if you're doing poorly, it would explain a lot. Hang in there, things will turn for you. And it probably won't be because Twiddly dee beats twiddly dum in the next election cycle.

M&K's Retrievers
09-16-2010, 11:59 PM
No link Mike, but I paid off all debt in the last two years, including mortgage. Debt free now. Socking cash away.

Sales are still down 25%, but profits are still good. I stopped giving things away. I learned to work a little harder. Wish the dogs would as well. :)

Adapt, modify your tactics, cut costs were you can, and last but not least, be prepared to chase... If what you're doing ain't working, find out what does. There's money being made out there still. Sometimes it just means staring into the void and re-inventing.

JD

Never said not doing well just not as good as two years ago. Let's see, health insurance agent/employee benefit consultant, oil and gas and real estate investor. Yeah, not doing as well as two years ago. Oh, I happen to hunt and like guns too. That pretty much puts the Obama Administration at odds with me on everything.

Clay Rogers
09-17-2010, 12:44 AM
Sorry to hear your not doing well. My career has been rejuvenated, I have less debt, and more assets. My 401K is up significantly. I had the foresight to get out of the markets prior to the last Bush crash. And back in for the Market rebound. Health is about the same. No changes, no issues. Except my healthcare premiums have decreased several hundred dollars a month. Family is doing well, kids are closer to graduating from Universities. I've got a lot to be thankful for. How are you worse off. Sorry to hear your not doing well. I know a lot of people aren't. Been there. It's tough.

What is your career? How has it been rejuvenated as you put it? Because unless you write out government checks, can't see how it's rejuvenated under Obama. As far as me and mine, we do fine. The only thing that has changed with us, is that since your boyfriend has taken office, I have had to pay taxes each year, which pi$$es me off. But thanks for worrying about us.:rolleyes:

Clay Rogers
09-17-2010, 12:48 AM
And if you could explain how your Health care premiums have gone down, let me know, seeing as how YOUR messiah just admitted that the cost was gonna have to go up.

JDogger
09-17-2010, 01:20 AM
And all that has to do with Obama and his leadership how?
Not a twit, SHH, not a twit, anymore than GWB did. Don't let the man behind the curtain pull your strings.

By the way, you sure got a nice place out there.

From the treeline on it's NF. Yours too. JD

JDogger
09-17-2010, 01:38 AM
Never said not doing well just not as good as two years ago. Let's see, health insurance agent/employee benefit consultant, oil and gas and real estate investor. Yeah, not doing as well as two years ago.
Time to re-invent.

Oh, I happen to hunt and like guns too. That pretty much puts the Obama Administration at odds with me on everything.

Central flyway in NM, dark goose and sprig quota's up this year. I can buy all the guns and ammo I want.
Repub backed PAC's want to limit land-holder permits for deer and elk in NM, and make everything a public draw and pay me <$ for tresspass. Sounds a little more socialistic than I care for. JD

YardleyLabs
09-17-2010, 06:21 AM
So, you are claiming you are better of today than you were 2 years ago??

Try to answer honestly!!:D


RK
There is no question about it. Two years ago we were in an economic crash that had no apparent bottom. Our banking system was on the verge of collapse. It seemed we faced a future similar to that our ancestors faced in the Depression: massive loss of wealth, unemployment of 20-30%, no auto industry, and a DOW that seemed likely to challenge the wrong side of 5000 (simply read UB's prognostications at that time).Our economic situation now is not good, but it is a lot better than it was then.

depittydawg
09-18-2010, 02:10 AM
And if you could explain how your Health care premiums have gone down, let me know, seeing as how YOUR messiah just admitted that the cost was gonna have to go up.

Where do you come off with this YOUR Messiah nonsense? You make a lot of assumptions and you're off on all of them. My premiums are down because the company I work for pays a lot more of it than the company I left.

luvmylabs23139
09-18-2010, 09:03 AM
Where do you come off with this YOUR Messiah nonsense? You make a lot of assumptions and you're off on all of them. My premiums are down because the company I work for pays a lot more of it than the company I left.

Your premium has not gone down! The portion that you personally pay may have gone down due to a job change but I will bet that the full cost of that policy has increased.

That's like claiming that you had an individual policy and are now part of a company that pays for part of your insurance.
Give me a break.
You changed employers and as part of your compensation you received a better health benefit.
That has absolutely nothing to do with the actual cost of the plan going down!

Also are you comparing apples to apples as far as the plan goes?

dixidawg
09-18-2010, 09:19 AM
Dining out & yacht sales do create real jobs :cool:..


True, they generate lots of US shipbuilding jobs and create lots of tax revenue......


Unless of course you are John Kerry....


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38378992/

depittydawg
09-18-2010, 10:01 AM
Your premium has not gone down! The portion that you personally pay may have gone down due to a job change but I will bet that the full cost of that policy has increased.

That's like claiming that you had an individual policy and are now part of a company that pays for part of your insurance.
Give me a break.
You changed employers and as part of your compensation you received a better health benefit.
That has absolutely nothing to do with the actual cost of the plan going down!

Also are you comparing apples to apples as far as the plan goes?

You're correct. The question was asked, "how are you personally better off". I answered it. Perhaps I'll re-phrase the answser. My healthcare "expense" went down. The response to the original message is this, yes, many people and the nation are better off today than they were 2 years ago. And yes, I am an example.

gman0046
09-18-2010, 03:14 PM
DIP, in the past you also posted how your health care went down under Obongolo Care. Again I point out to you Obongolo Care has not gone into effect yet. What don't you understand about that?

depittydawg
09-18-2010, 03:34 PM
DIP, in the past you also posted how your health care went down under Obongolo Care. Again I point out to you Obongolo Care has not gone into effect yet. What don't you understand about that?

I've stated many times here and elsewhere my dissatisfaction with the end game of healthcare reform. The republicans as usual were the obstacle that had to be overcome. The democrats, as usual failed to overcome that obstacle. Without a single payer insurance of some kind, we have ended up with no viable reform.
BTW, I have written here on many occasions that Healthcare reform has NOT gone into effect, and won't for many years.

M&K's Retrievers
09-21-2010, 04:01 PM
Looks like DS is the only one basking in riches today compared to two years ago:

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE68G3NT20100917

road kill
09-21-2010, 04:35 PM
There is no question about it. Two years ago we were in an economic crash that had no apparent bottom. Our banking system was on the verge of collapse. It seemed we faced a future similar to that our ancestors faced in the Depression: massive loss of wealth, unemployment of 20-30%, no auto industry, and a DOW that seemed likely to challenge the wrong side of 5000 (simply read UB's prognostications at that time).Our economic situation now is not good, but it is a lot better than it was then.
I didn't ask for your opinion of where you think everyone else is, I asked if YOU are better off now than YOU were 2 years ago.
And as usual you answer with some gobbledygook that does NOT address the question directly!!



RK