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badbullgator
09-21-2010, 10:46 AM
Really???? What a joke.
Don't get me wrong, he is a good man, but a big part of what is wrong with America on a global scale.

dnf777
09-21-2010, 10:53 AM
Really???? What a joke.
Don't get me wrong, he is a good man, but a big part of what is wrong with America on a global scale.

Sounded rather arrogant to me. I've read two of his books, and that is a common thread. He always gets in those little self-adulations. Only problem is, they are usually factual. He HAS in fact done much humanitarian and peace-initiatives in his "retirement" years, even if not all agree upon them. I would agree that he is a much better former president than he was president.

zeus3925
09-21-2010, 11:02 AM
Carter has been known to show up at field trials in Georgia.

badbullgator
09-21-2010, 11:11 AM
Sounded rather arrogant to me. I've read two of his books, and that is a common thread. He always gets in those little self-adulations. Only problem is, they are usually factual. He HAS in fact done much humanitarian and peace-initiatives in his "retirement" years, even if not all agree upon them. I would agree that he is a much better former president than he was president.

Yeah well that is not hard for him as he was not much of a president

YardleyLabs
09-21-2010, 11:48 AM
I think Carter is just bent out of shape because Bill has raised more money and got to appear on The Daily Show first.

road kill
09-21-2010, 04:38 PM
I think Carter is just bent out of shape because Bill has raised more money and got to appear on The Daily Show first.

That "Daily Show" is a big deal to you lefty's, ain't it??????:D



RK

M&K's Retrievers
09-21-2010, 04:46 PM
He was better than Obama.

Thomas D
09-21-2010, 05:37 PM
Carter has been known to show up at field trials in Georgia.

I think he has shown up the last two years. Connections thru Bruce Hall maybe (second hand info). Always takes time for pictures and autographs. Hangs around for several hours after his morning turkey hunt.

YardleyLabs
09-21-2010, 06:03 PM
That "Daily Show" is a big deal to you lefty's, ain't it??????:D



RK
Actually, lefties aren't too crazy about it but moderates have fun. He sticks his needles in both directions, as well as at the mirror.

His most recent bit is a Rally to Restore Sanity described as follows (see http://www.rallytorestoresanity.com/):


"I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore!"

Who among us has not wanted to open their window and shout that at the top of their lungs?

Seriously, who?

Because we're looking for those people. We're looking for the people who think shouting is annoying, counterproductive, and terrible for your throat; who feel that the loudest voices shouldn't be the only ones that get heard; and who believe that the only time it's appropriate to draw a Hitler mustache on someone is when that person is actually Hitler. Or Charlie Chaplin in certain roles.

Are you one of those people? Excellent. Then we'd like you to join us in Washington, DC on October 30 -- a date of no significance whatsoever -- at the Daily Show's "Rally to Restore Sanity." Ours is a rally for the people who've been too busy to go to rallies, who actually have lives and families and jobs (or are looking for jobs) -- not so much the Silent Majority as the Busy Majority. If we had to sum up the political view of our participants in a single sentence... we couldn't. That's sort of the point.

Think of our event as Woodstock, but with the nudity and drugs replaced by respectful disagreement; the Million Man March, only a lot smaller, and a bit less of a sausage fest; or the Gathering of the Juggalos, but instead of throwing our feces at Tila Tequila, we'll be actively *not* throwing our feces at Tila Tequila. Join us in the shadow of the Washington Monument. And bring your indoor voice. Or don't. If you'd rather stay home, go to work, or drive your kids to soccer practice... Actually, please come anyway. Ask the sitter if she can stay a few extra hours, just this once. We'll make it worth your while.

road kill
09-21-2010, 06:09 PM
Actually, lefties aren't too crazy about it but moderates have fun. He sticks his needles in both directions, as well as at the mirror.

His most recent bit is a Rally to Restore Sanity described as follows (see http://www.rallytorestoresanity.com/):


"I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore!"

Who among us has not wanted to open their window and shout that at the top of their lungs?

Seriously, who?

Because we're looking for those people. We're looking for the people who think shouting is annoying, counterproductive, and terrible for your throat; who feel that the loudest voices shouldn't be the only ones that get heard; and who believe that the only time it's appropriate to draw a Hitler mustache on someone is when that person is actually Hitler. Or Charlie Chaplin in certain roles.

Are you one of those people? Excellent. Then we'd like you to join us in Washington, DC on October 30 -- a date of no significance whatsoever -- at the Daily Show's "Rally to Restore Sanity." Ours is a rally for the people who've been too busy to go to rallies, who actually have lives and families and jobs (or are looking for jobs) -- not so much the Silent Majority as the Busy Majority. If we had to sum up the political view of our participants in a single sentence... we couldn't. That's sort of the point.

Think of our event as Woodstock, but with the nudity and drugs replaced by respectful disagreement; the Million Man March, only a lot smaller, and a bit less of a sausage fest; or the Gathering of the Juggalos, but instead of throwing our feces at Tila Tequila, we'll be actively *not* throwing our feces at Tila Tequila. Join us in the shadow of the Washington Monument. And bring your indoor voice. Or don't. If you'd rather stay home, go to work, or drive your kids to soccer practice... Actually, please come anyway. Ask the sitter if she can stay a few extra hours, just this once. We'll make it worth your while.

Please describe to me your definition of a moderate.
And if you have a moment, tell me who, in your humble (:rolleyes:) opinion, that posts here meets that standard.
This ought to be special...........


RK

YardleyLabs
09-21-2010, 06:17 PM
Please describe to me your definition of a moderate.
And if you have a moment, tell me who, in your humble (:rolleyes:) opinion, that posts here meets that standard.
This ought to be special...........


RK
I think you may be too far to the right to even see the center. ;-)

This forum, with only a couple of exceptions, ranges from center left to extreme right. Almost no true lefty would even consider being involved in our sports -- the schedules conflict with their PETA meetings. Add to that the notion of owning and using a gun, and whatever portion of the far left is still around just passed out. In Democratic party circles, I am too much of a social libertarian and too much of an economic conservative to be very welcome. I tend to fit in best with the so-called "blue dog" democrats, although many of them are made uncomfortable by my lack of religion.

By the way, you might want to check out opinions on various issues measured over time by Gallup to see where you stand.

road kill
09-21-2010, 06:27 PM
I think you may be too far to the right to even see the center. ;-)

This forum, with only a couple of exceptions, ranges from center left to extreme right. Almost no true lefty would even consider being involved in our sports -- the schedules conflict with their PETA meetings. Add to that the notion of owning and using a gun, and whatever portion of the far left is still around just passed out. In Democratic party circles, I am too much of a social libertarian and too much of an economic conservative to be very welcome. I tend to fit in best with the so-called "blue dog" democrats, although many of them are made uncomfortable by my lack of religion.

By the way, you might want to check out opinions on various issues measured over time by Gallup to see where you stand.
I don't need Gallup to validate my beleifs.
I know who and what I am and guess what, you don't.

Matters not.

But I will tell you that based on your posts you are a progressive, just to the right of Marx.....but not much.:D


Me.....I am certainly to the right of McCain.
Probably more like JFK/RR.

You remember JFK don't you?
He couldn't even be a Republican today, to far to the right.
HHH, Scoop, Truman.
Which party would they be today?

Think they would support Obama's agenda?

As far as Libertarian goes, I become closer and closer each day.

And I don't need you to define that for me.





RK

subroc
09-21-2010, 06:40 PM
...This forum, with only a couple of exceptions, ranges from center left to extreme right...

so lets see, you are trying to feature you and your buddies (the left wing extremists) as center left but those that populate right are the extremist?

subroc
09-21-2010, 06:49 PM
I don't need Gallup to validate my beleifs.
I know who and what I am and guess what, you don't.

Matters not.

But I will tell you that based on your posts you are a progressive, just to the right of Marx.....but not much.:D


Me.....I am certainly to the right of McCain.
Probably more like JFK/RR.

You remember JFK don't you?
He couldn't even be a Republican today, to far to the right.
HHH, Scoop, Truman.
Which party would they be today?

Think they would support Obama's agenda?

As far as Libertarian goes, I become closer and closer each day.

And I don't need you to define that for me.





RK

those past presidents couldn't even imagine as a posibility some of the ideas that the left wing considers mainstream thought and ideals.

ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.

can anyone imagine obama defending the United States as a call he would make himself?

can anyone imagine obama ordering the blockade of Cuba?

YardleyLabs
09-21-2010, 07:30 PM
I don't need Gallup to validate my beleifs.
I know who and what I am and guess what, you don't.

Matters not.

But I will tell you that based on your posts you are a progressive, just to the right of Marx.....but not much.:D


Me.....I am certainly to the right of McCain.
Probably more like JFK/RR.

You remember JFK don't you?
He couldn't even be a Republican today, to far to the right.
HHH, Scoop, Truman.
Which party would they be today?

Think they would support Obama's agenda?

As far as Libertarian goes, I become closer and closer each day.

And I don't need you to define that for me.





RK
I wasn't suggesting that you "validate" your positions from opinion polls. However, right/center/left distinctions are relative to the beliefs of the public at large. Look at the issues and figure out the mid-point. That is the center.

Let's look at a few:

Taxes: Obama's position with respect to the expiration of the Bush tax cuts is clearly centrist. 37% want the cuts extended for all (right), 15% want the cuts to expire for everyone (left), and 44% want the cuts to be extended only for those with incomes under $250k (center). Even among Republicans, 43% would like to see tax cuts expire for the $250k+ crowd or for everyone, while only 54% want to see them extended for all.http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/uca8qkn-hk6yhnhv_cvora.gif
Congress: More than 70% of the public disapproves of Congress (much more than disapprove of the President). However, while 20% approve of Republicans in Congress, 30% approve of Democrats. In "generic ballot" polls, Democrats and Republicans are now running in a statistical tie.

Health care: The majority now oppose "Obamacare". However, about one-fifth of this opposition is from people who believe it did not go far enough. Approximately 40% favor the current plan. When asked if the bill should be repealed, the majority favor repeal. When asked if they favor repeal given that repeal would eliminate provisions preventing coverage exclusion for pre-existing conditions, the number favoring repeal drops to under 20%.

Feelings about Washington: Washington is very unpopular among voters. However, the majority describe themselves as dissatisfied, but not angry. 20% describe themselves as angry. Among those who are "angry", the two biggest reasons given at partisanship and unemployment. Taxes are only mentioned by 4%.

Democrats vs Republicans: 34% report having a favorable view of the Republican Party, while 45% have a favorable view of the Democratic Party. With questions phrased in different ways, Democrats and Republicans are rated about equal on questions asking which has the better plans for improving the country.

These are just a small number of measures. However, polls are routinely showing the same thing across a brad spectrum of issues. We are closely divided between Republicans and Democrats. The number of people who would want government to be smaller with fewer services, is approximately equal to the number who want government to be bigger with more services. Ideology has little to do with American opinion. Rather, people are concerned about their ability to support their families and live their lives. When things are going wrong, they want change. They don't care if the solution is liberal or conservative. Those who do are the extremists.

depittydawg
09-21-2010, 10:08 PM
I don't need Gallup to validate my beleifs.
I know who and what I am and guess what, you don't.

Matters not.

But I will tell you that based on your posts you are a progressive, just to the right of Marx.....but not much.:D


Me.....I am certainly to the right of McCain.
Probably more like JFK/RR.

You remember JFK don't you?
RK

By todays standards JFK would be a liberal. In fact he claimed the title in a very famous speech once. Reagan was left of Bill Clinton and would most likely be appalled at what has happened to his party. No doubt, he'd either start his own party or switch back to democrat which is now pretty much were he left the Republican party.

Here is the speech I referred to above.
http://www.liberalparty.org/JFKLPAcceptance.html

What I find very interesting is that my beliefs have not changed much over the years. In the 70s and 80s I was considered a conservative. Today most would call me liberal. Same beliefs, different standards.

road kill
09-22-2010, 06:10 AM
I wasn't suggesting that you "validate" your positions from opinion polls. However, right/center/left distinctions are relative to the beliefs of the public at large. Look at the issues and figure out the mid-point. That is the center.

Let's look at a few:

Taxes: Obama's position with respect to the expiration of the Bush tax cuts is clearly centrist. 37% want the cuts extended for all (right), 15% want the cuts to expire for everyone (left), and 44% want the cuts to be extended only for those with incomes under $250k (center). Even among Republicans, 43% would like to see tax cuts expire for the $250k+ crowd or for everyone, while only 54% want to see them extended for all.http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/uca8qkn-hk6yhnhv_cvora.gif
Congress: More than 70% of the public disapproves of Congress (much more than disapprove of the President). However, while 20% approve of Republicans in Congress, 30% approve of Democrats. In "generic ballot" polls, Democrats and Republicans are now running in a statistical tie.

Health care: The majority now oppose "Obamacare". However, about one-fifth of this opposition is from people who believe it did not go far enough. Approximately 40% favor the current plan. When asked if the bill should be repealed, the majority favor repeal. When asked if they favor repeal given that repeal would eliminate provisions preventing coverage exclusion for pre-existing conditions, the number favoring repeal drops to under 20%.

Feelings about Washington: Washington is very unpopular among voters. However, the majority describe themselves as dissatisfied, but not angry. 20% describe themselves as angry. Among those who are "angry", the two biggest reasons given at partisanship and unemployment. Taxes are only mentioned by 4%.

Democrats vs Republicans: 34% report having a favorable view of the Republican Party, while 45% have a favorable view of the Democratic Party. With questions phrased in different ways, Democrats and Republicans are rated about equal on questions asking which has the better plans for improving the country.

These are just a small number of measures. However, polls are routinely showing the same thing across a brad spectrum of issues. We are closely divided between Republicans and Democrats. The number of people who would want government to be smaller with fewer services, is approximately equal to the number who want government to be bigger with more services. Ideology has little to do with American opinion. Rather, people are concerned about their ability to support their families and live their lives. When things are going wrong, they want change. They don't care if the solution is liberal or conservative. Those who do are the extremists.

Didn't even bother to read your crap.

#1--Do you have a thought of your own??
#2--There are different ways to be a bully....Cyber Bully??


Blah blah blah blah blah.......I'll never forget when YOU called another poster a BLOW-HARD!!:D





RK

Raymond Little
09-22-2010, 11:08 AM
Really???? What a joke.
Don't get me wrong, he is a good man, but a big part of what is wrong with America on a global scale.

Carter was a Turd as President and is a Turd Ex-President trying to remain relevent during Americas lurch towards Socialism.
"Good man", what is your definition of "Good",Corey?

dnf777
09-22-2010, 04:23 PM
Carter was a Turd as President and is a Turd Ex-President trying to remain relevent during Americas lurch towards Socialism.
"Good man", what is your definition of "Good",Corey?

Just curious as to how you describe Bush II?

road kill
09-22-2010, 04:40 PM
Just curious as to how you describe Bush II?


You know, I think you have brought him up on every thread on the POTUS board.........if not, you are certainly surpassing RP!!!:D




RK

dnf777
09-22-2010, 05:00 PM
You know, I think you have brought him up on every thread on the POTUS board.........if not, you are certainly surpassing RP!!!:D




RK

I was asking a question. Not to you, in case you can't read. Is there an RK rule against asking someone's opinion on POTUS now? Please link to your complete set of rules....I wasn't aware you were in charge here.

road kill
09-22-2010, 05:13 PM
I was asking a question. Not to you, in case you can't read. Is there an RK rule against asking someone's opinion on POTUS now? Please link to your complete set of rules....I wasn't aware you were in charge here.
It was a casual observation of the "Bush Habits" of a little Yardley.
Didn't mean to embarrass you.....well, ACTUALLY, yes I did.:D


BTW--If you don't want me to respond to foolish posts, you can certainly stop that from occurring!!:D

Well, maybe not...........



RK

roseberry
09-22-2010, 05:30 PM
jimmy carter is never credited by liberals or consrevatives with the u.s. economies most notable accomplishment in the last 30 years. carter's appointment of paul volker as chairman of the federal reserve board ended (until recently) the flawed economic policies of john maynard keynes. i have always felt the change in monetary policy with volker's appointment created the financial uncertainty that fostered those 20% interest rates and super inflation that some of us remember and credit to carter.

reagan is always credited with the economic boom that followed in the 80's. he did ask volker to stay on as fed chairman however. is reagan or carter really the father of supply side economics? would the tax rate cuts and tax revenue increases that were supported by arthur laffer and his famous curve ever have happened had carter not appointed volker?

heck who am i kiddin, carter sucked and never did get those hostages out of iran.

john mc

dnf777
09-22-2010, 05:44 PM
It was a casual observation of the "Bush Habits" of a little Yardley.
Didn't mean to embarrass you.....well, ACTUALLY, yes I did.:D


BTW--If you don't want me to respond to foolish posts, you can certainly stop that from occurring!!:D

Well, maybe not...........



RK


Sorry, I missed this month's edition of "RK's Guidelines for Posting". I didn't realize asking an opinion about a former president (especially on a thread about Jimmy Carter) was foolish in your mind. I'm SOOOOO embarrassed!:oops: