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menmon
09-22-2010, 10:46 AM
The Republicans have done excellent job in painting the democrats as the reason for everyones problems, which is as far from the truth as it could be, but they have sold it to the people and they have bought it.

Its a little late now but the democrats should have called all the republicans out on their voting records, but they didn't.

The rebublicans have done an excellent job of shifting the blame to the democrats for excessive spending, high deficits, national debt and so on. When the truth is most of this was the result of actions taken many years in arrears.

They have painted the democrats as anti-business when that have been very friendly to business with policies such as accelerated depreciation, the SBA program, auto bailout, financial reform and bailout, etc., etc. but as ussual everyone wants this but no one want to pay for it.

TARP saved us, but everyone favorite saying is no one gave me anything. That is far from the truth. TARP kept you from losing everything you had in the bank and many of us from losing our jobs because if the financial system had failed we would have all been out of work, so now that it requires me to pay a little more in taxes to be responsible, I'm ok with that even though it immediately hurts me, because if that had not have done it I would be worse off and I also know that taxes are a much better way of paying for it than with inflation that is a tax too.

I currently starting a business that will employee approximately 20 full time people when we open the doors in November and has employed many through the construction process. I'm a banker with many financial resources, but the economic climate when I started the project made it all most impossible to fund and I believe someone without my experience could have never funded it. Had the republicans not pushed back on policies that are in this new stimulus bill two years ago, my business would have been open and employing people much sooner and I believe many more businesses would have too.

The biggest issue out there now for most that are struggling is the lack of easy credit to turn too. This is not the governments fault, it is the result of bad personal financial management that can only be fixed with time and personal sacrifice. However, the republicans have tapped into peoples frustration and pain and have given these people an escape goat that being the President and Congress.

Having said all this, I believe it worked and they willl elect many republicans in November. However, people will still be saddled with too much debt and the job market will still be less than robust as there is no need for new construction and the associated needs that come with it, so go ahead and reelect those that you think will save you, but I assure your salvation will come from your actions not their's.

Question: Would you trust Sara Palin with your check book?

M&K's Retrievers
09-22-2010, 11:32 AM
I couldn't read your post but the thread title is right. The Dems don't have anybody to blame but themselves and I suspect they are about to pay dearly.

Raymond Little
09-22-2010, 11:57 AM
The Republicans have done excellent job in painting the democrats as the reason for everyones problems, which is as far from the truth as it could be, but they have sold it to the people and they have bought it.

Its a little late now but the democrats should have called all the republicans out on their voting records, but they didn't.

The rebublicans have done an excellent job of shifting the blame to the democrats for excessive spending, high deficits, national debt and so on. When the truth is most of this was the result of actions taken many years in arrears.

They have painted the democrats as anti-business when that have been very friendly to business with policies such as accelerated depreciation, the SBA program, auto bailout, financial reform and bailout, etc., etc. but as ussual everyone wants this but no one want to pay for it.

TARP saved us, but everyone favorite saying is no one gave me anything. That is far from the truth. TARP kept you from losing everything you had in the bank and many of us from losing our jobs because if the financial system had failed we would have all been out of work, so now that it requires me to pay a little more in taxes to be responsible, I'm ok with that even though it immediately hurts me, because if that had not have done it I would be worse off and I also know that taxes are a much better way of paying for it than with inflation that is a tax too.

I currently starting a business that will employee approximately 20 full time people when we open the doors in November and has employed many through the construction process. I'm a banker with many financial resources, but the economic climate when I started the project made it all most impossible to fund and I believe someone without my experience could have never funded it. Had the republicans not pushed back on policies that are in this new stimulus bill two years ago, my business would have been open and employing people much sooner and I believe many more businesses would have too.

The biggest issue out there now for most that are struggling is the lack of easy credit to turn too. This is not the governments fault, it is the result of bad personal financial management that can only be fixed with time and personal sacrifice. However, the republicans have tapped into peoples frustration and pain and have given these people an escape goat that being the President and Congress.

Having said all this, I believe it worked and they willl elect many republicans in November. However, people will still be saddled with too much debt and the job market will still be less than robust as there is no need for new construction and the associated needs that come with it, so go ahead and reelect those that you think will save you, but I assure your salvation will come from your actions not their's.

Question: Would you trust Sara Palin with your check book?

Hey ScamBo, Put the Bong Down;)

ducknwork
09-22-2010, 12:10 PM
Hey, MK, now you can read it. You're very welcome.;)


The Republicans have done excellent job in painting the democrats as the reason for everyones problems, which is as far from the truth as it could be, but they have sold it to the people and they have bought it.

Its a little late now but the democrats should have called all the republicans out on their voting records, but they didn't.

The rebublicans have done an excellent job of shifting the blame to the democrats for excessive spending, high deficits, national debt and so on. When the truth is most of this was the result of actions taken many years in arrears.

They have painted the democrats as anti-business when that have been very friendly to business with policies such as accelerated depreciation, the SBA program, auto bailout, financial reform and bailout, etc., etc. but as ussual everyone wants this but no one want to pay for it.

TARP saved us, but everyone favorite saying is no one gave me anything. That is far from the truth. TARP kept you from losing everything you had in the bank and many of us from losing our jobs because if the financial system had failed we would have all been out of work, so now that it requires me to pay a little more in taxes to be responsible, I'm ok with that even though it immediately hurts me, because if that had not have done it I would be worse off and I also know that taxes are a much better way of paying for it than with inflation that is a tax too.

I currently starting a business that will employee approximately 20 full time people when we open the doors in November and has employed many through the construction process. I'm a banker with many financial resources, but the economic climate when I started the project made it all most impossible to fund and I believe someone without my experience could have never funded it. Had the republicans not pushed back on policies that are in this new stimulus bill two years ago, my business would have been open and employing people much sooner and I believe many more businesses would have too.

The biggest issue out there now for most that are struggling is the lack of easy credit to turn too. This is not the governments fault, it is the result of bad personal financial management that can only be fixed with time and personal sacrifice. However, the republicans have tapped into peoples frustration and pain and have given these people an escape goat I almost fell out of my chair on this one...What is "an escape goat"?LMAO...that being the President and Congress.

Having said all this, I believe it worked and they willl elect many republicans in November. However, people will still be saddled with too much debt and the job market will still be less than robust What will be different if your beloved democrats are elected? PLEASE answer this question...Will everyone's debt be magically forgiven and the job market miraculously be 'robust'?as there is no need for new construction and the associated needs that come with it, so go ahead and reelect those that you think will save you, but I assure your salvation will come from your actions not their's.
Having said that, your entire post is worthless. If our 'salvation' will come from ourselves, you should have just skipped typing 10 pages of democrat butt kissing and only typed that one sentence.

Question: Would you trust Sara Palin with your check book?

Do you trust Barack Obama with your checkbook?

Franco
09-22-2010, 12:20 PM
The Republicans have done excellent job in painting the democrats as the reason for everyones problems, which is as far from the truth as it could be, but they have sold it to the people and they have bought it.

Its a little late now but the democrats should have called all the republicans out on their voting records, but they didn't.

The rebublicans have done an excellent job of shifting the blame to the democrats for excessive spending, high deficits, national debt and so on. When the truth is most of this was the result of actions taken many years in arrears.

They have painted the democrats as anti-business when that have been very friendly to business with policies such as accelerated depreciation, the SBA program, auto bailout, financial reform and bailout, etc., etc. but as ussual everyone wants this but no one want to pay for it.

TARP saved us, but everyone favorite saying is no one gave me anything. That is far from the truth. TARP kept you from losing everything you had in the bank and many of us from losing our jobs because if the financial system had failed we would have all been out of work, so now that it requires me to pay a little more in taxes to be responsible, I'm ok with that even though it immediately hurts me, because if that had not have done it I would be worse off and I also know that taxes are a much better way of paying for it than with inflation that is a tax too.

I currently starting a business that will employee approximately 20 full time people when we open the doors in November and has employed many through the construction process. I'm a banker with many financial resources, but the economic climate when I started the project made it all most impossible to fund and I believe someone without my experience could have never funded it. Had the republicans not pushed back on policies that are in this new stimulus bill two years ago, my business would have been open and employing people much sooner and I believe many more businesses would have too.

The biggest issue out there now for most that are struggling is the lack of easy credit to turn too. This is not the governments fault, it is the result of bad personal financial management that can only be fixed with time and personal sacrifice. However, the republicans have tapped into peoples frustration and pain and have given these people an escape goat that being the President and Congress.

Having said all this, I believe it worked and they willl elect many republicans in November. However, people will still be saddled with too much debt and the job market will still be less than robust as there is no need for new construction and the associated needs that come with it, so go ahead and reelect those that you think will save you, but I assure your salvation will come from your actions not their's.

Question: Would you trust Sara Palin with your check book?

Sarah Palin represents a fringe group of the GOP. Besides, the GOP is trying to minimalize her as much as possible and for good reason.

The Dems are anti-business because buisnesses are depenedent on consumer spending and the Dems policy of throwing money at all problems has consumers scared. The bailouts are anti-American and one of the reasons we have the problems we have today. The Dems are also out to destroy our Health Care system with Obamacare and now they want to pass mass amnesty under the guise of a different name. Why should taxpayers have to pay for the Health Insurance of those that enter illegally as well as those that refuse to work?

TARP is a fiasco. Those banks used that money to invest in foreign markets! Poorly run banks and financial institutions should have been allowed to fail. Personally, I would have lost nothing, zero, zilch had they failed because I don't invest with them, I invest in myself! I knew Wall St was crooked so I invest in Real Estate! The last year has been awesome for buying property. The Financial Reform bill only set up the next meltdown.

The Democrats inherited an extremely bad situation and have made in much worse!

Sad part is I don't see any leadership within either party. Nothing but a bunch of blood-sucking politicians in DC.

P S
Contrary to your prediction that the gulf oil leak would destroy fishing in S E Louisiana for decades, the fishing this Summer has never been better.

Ken Bora
09-22-2010, 12:27 PM
Escape goats have been bred for hundreds/thousands of years.
Probably the first EIC critter


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M&K's Retrievers
09-22-2010, 12:31 PM
Hey, MK, now you can read it. You're very welcome.;)





Aw man!!...........

Buzz
09-22-2010, 12:43 PM
TARP is a fiasco. Those banks used that money to invest in foreign markets! Poorly run banks and financial institutions should have been allowed to fail. Personally, I would have lost nothing, zero, zilch had they failed because I don't invest with them, I invest in myself! I knew Wall St was crooked so I invest in Real Estate! The last year has been awesome for buying property. The Financial Reform bill only set up the next meltdown.



Really?

http://seekingalpha.com/article/223905-was-tarp-a-success-for-the-u-s




The following are some of the key points quoted by the magazine based on the July report from SIGTARP, the body monitoring the various programs under the umbrella of the TARP:


87 TARP recipients had repaid all or a portion of their principal or repurchased shares, for a total of $201.5B.

A total of just $182.5B of disbursed TARP funds is outstanding.
By July, the US government had received $22.7B in interest, dividends, sale of warrants, stocks and other income.

Of the 707 banks that received almost $205B in TARP funds through the Capital Purchase Program (CPP), 76 have fully repaid their funds to a total of $138.4B. Hence the US has recovered 67.5% of the funds invested in banks.
Of the remaining banks that owe money to the US, 580 of them owe less than $100M.

The US government reaped a high rate of return on the TARP funds that have been fully repaid already. The top 15 by total proceeds yielded an average non-annualized return of 10.2%.

Some examples of individual returns include Discover Financial Services (DFS), Comerica (CMA) and Goldman Sachs (GS) with 19.6%, 14.9% and 14.2% on a non-annualized return basis respectively.

In addition to TARP funds, Bank of America (BAC) and Citigroup (C) each received an additional $20B thru the Targeted Investment Program (TIP). Including this loan, the interim, non-annualized return on investment based on the amount repaid by Citigroup so far is 15.91%.


When the TARP program was implemented there was much outcry from the general public. However the data above shows that the program not only achieved its stated objective but also yielded an excellent return to the US government.

road kill
09-22-2010, 01:10 PM
So......let me see if I get the OP.

The Democrats have done a superb job "righting the ship" as it were.
They have made the USA an all around more wonderful place to be.
Almost perfect, but the Republicans have tricked the electorate into beleiving things are worse now!!??!!??


For God's sakes man, step away from the bong!!



RK

Franco
09-22-2010, 01:26 PM
Really?

http://seekingalpha.com/article/223905-was-tarp-a-success-for-the-u-s

Yes, Really!

First, I would expect a financial publication to support tax payer bailouts.
Second, we are still owed over 160 billion.
Third, what does this say to financial instituions? Be wreckless with investor money and the gov will bail you out.

Our gov missed an opportunity to shut these poorly run businesses down and shame on those that invested/bought into these poorly run businesses.

But then again, it was the current administration playing Big Brother and paying back thier political puppetteers. You know, the guys that hold thier strings.

charly_t
09-22-2010, 01:29 PM
Is an "escape goat" anything like my escape chihuahua who climbs like a monkey ? I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry ( well not really ).

road kill
09-22-2010, 01:34 PM
Is an "escape goat" anything like my escape chihuahua who climbs like a monkey ? I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry ( well not really ).

Does that chihuahua know Gen. Powell???



RK

charly_t
09-22-2010, 01:38 PM
Does that chihuahua know Gen. Powell???



RK

LOLOL !

( Says my message is too short so adding this sentence ! I am having trouble staying serious today. )

WaterDogRem
09-22-2010, 01:43 PM
So......let me see if I get the OP.

The Democrats have done a superb job "righting the ship" as it were.
They have made the USA an all around more wonderful place to be.
Almost perfect, but the Republicans have tricked the electorate into beleiving things are worse now!!??!!??


For God's sakes man, step away from the bong!!



RK

Oh come on guys...I think the problem is, he did put down the bong to type this post. I'm sure this post made sooo much more sense in his head while holding the bong.

I mean, didn't you hear the statisticians at the National Bureau of Economic Research said the recession ended June of last year. :rolleyes: Didn't you get the memo?

menmon
09-22-2010, 04:41 PM
Sarah Palin represents a fringe group of the GOP. Besides, the GOP is trying to minimalize her as much as possible and for good reason.

The Dems are anti-business because buisnesses are depenedent on consumer spending and the Dems policy of throwing money at all problems has consumers scared. The bailouts are anti-American and one of the reasons we have the problems we have today. The Dems are also out to destroy our Health Care system with Obamacare and now they want to pass mass amnesty under the guise of a different name. Why should taxpayers have to pay for the Health Insurance of those that enter illegally as well as those that refuse to work?

TARP is a fiasco. Those banks used that money to invest in foreign markets! Poorly run banks and financial institutions should have been allowed to fail. Personally, I would have lost nothing, zero, zilch had they failed because I don't invest with them, I invest in myself! I knew Wall St was crooked so I invest in Real Estate! The last year has been awesome for buying property. The Financial Reform bill only set up the next meltdown.

The Democrats inherited an extremely bad situation and have made in much worse!

Sad part is I don't see any leadership within either party. Nothing but a bunch of blood-sucking politicians in DC.

P S
Contrary to your prediction that the gulf oil leak would destroy fishing in S E Louisiana for decades, the fishing this Summer has never been better.

People are not spending because excessive unsecured credit is not available. Once they pay down their credit cards they will start back but I guess they will think about it a little more.

menmon
09-22-2010, 04:47 PM
Hey, MK, now you can read it. You're very welcome.;)



Do you trust Barack Obama with your checkbook?

I actually do.

menmon
09-22-2010, 04:50 PM
So......let me see if I get the OP.

The Democrats have done a superb job "righting the ship" as it were.
They have made the USA an all around more wonderful place to be.
Almost perfect, but the Republicans have tricked the electorate into beleiving things are worse now!!??!!??


For God's sakes man, step away from the bong!!



RK

If you think the republicans have the answer or the tea party, who ever you are affiliated with these days....you are smoking much harder stuff than me.

menmon
09-22-2010, 04:52 PM
P S
Contrary to your prediction that the gulf oil leak would destroy fishing in S E Louisiana for decades, the fishing this Summer has never been better.[/QUOTE]

I admit, it does not seem to be as bad as I thought it would. I'm really glad I was wrong!

road kill
09-22-2010, 04:54 PM
If you think the republicans have the answer or the tea party, who ever you are affiliated with these days....you are smoking much harder stuff than me.
This was not about you guessing what I think, this is about what YOU posted.

This one is pretty original though.







RK

menmon
09-22-2010, 05:03 PM
This was not about you guessing what I think, this is about what YOU posted.

This one is pretty original though.







RK

So tell me this....things were screwed up when the republicans were running things and they are still screwed up while the dems are running things. True?

Answer this then....why do you want to reelect those that screwed it up beyound repair again?

And you have to agree with me that the republicans have sat back and offered nothing so that they could blame the dems for all the bad in the world so that the Glen Beck sheep will reelect the party in the fall, right?

Would you like some of what I'm smoking?

road kill
09-22-2010, 05:05 PM
So tell me this....things were screwed up when the republicans were running things and they are still screwed up while the dems are running things. True?

Answer this then....why do you want to reelect those that screwed it up beyound repair again?

And you have to agree with me that the republicans have sat back and offered nothing so that they could blame the dems for all the bad in the world so that the Glen Beck sheep will reelect the party in the fall, right?

Would you like some of what I'm smoking?

Uhhhh, no thank you.
But you have answered a few questions with that last statement.
Besides, I doubt there is any left!!!!!:cool:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbY9ePebWB8



RK

Uncle Bill
09-22-2010, 06:31 PM
Always nice to hear from the Oracle of IHOP. But it does sound like someone has been spiking your syrup again.:rolleyes:

UB

Cody Covey
09-22-2010, 06:57 PM
So tell me this....things were screwed up when the republicans were running things and they are still screwed up while the dems are running things. True?

Answer this then....why do you want to reelect those that screwed it up beyound repair again?

And you have to agree with me that the republicans have sat back and offered nothing so that they could blame the dems for all the bad in the world so that the Glen Beck sheep will reelect the party in the fall, right?

Would you like some of what I'm smoking?The democrats took over in january 2007. In december of 2006 the Dow was around 12.5k and unemployment was 4.5%. Since then we now have a Dow that was at one point under democrat "rule" around 6000 and unemployment at 10% with real unemployment much higher. I'll take my chances with the old crowd...

Buzz
09-22-2010, 08:40 PM
The democrats took over in january 2007. In december of 2006 the Dow was around 12.5k and unemployment was 4.5%. Since then we now have a Dow that was at one point under democrat "rule" around 6000 and unemployment at 10% with real unemployment much higher. I'll take my chances with the old crowd...

Curious what draconian steps that deems took during that period you'd point to that drove things into the ditch. If they took office and then BANG, things went south, then it should be easy to come up with some whoppers.

M&K's Retrievers
09-22-2010, 09:05 PM
Always nice to hear from the Oracle of IHOP. But it does sound like someone has been spiking your syrup again.:rolleyes:

UB

You will not here from IHOP until he gets back to his cubicle in the morning. I wonder whose time he is stealing?:rolleyes:

Buzz
09-22-2010, 10:40 PM
You will not here from IHOP until he gets back to his cubicle in the morning. I wonder whose time he is stealing?:rolleyes:

I take it that you're retired then?

M&K's Retrievers
09-22-2010, 10:49 PM
I take it that you're retired then?

Self employed. Have been for 20 years.

depittydawg
09-22-2010, 11:34 PM
So......let me see if I get the OP.

The Democrats have done a superb job "righting the ship" as it were.
They have made the USA an all around more wonderful place to be.
Almost perfect, but the Republicans have tricked the electorate into beleiving things are worse now!!??!!??


For God's sakes man, step away from the bong!!

RK

At the very least, the democrats have stopped the free fall they inherited. Compare the economy and fiscal position Bill Clinton turned over to George Bush in 1993 to the economy and fiscal position George Bush turned over to Obama in 2009... Nuff said.

menmon
09-23-2010, 10:04 AM
You will not here from IHOP until he gets back to his cubicle in the morning. I wonder whose time he is stealing?:rolleyes:

I train dogs, hunt, fish and try to educate you on their time and they don't care as long as I'm bringing deals and getting them done. In fact I shot a limit of Teal before I came into the office. My wife a retired accountant says that I never work and they pay me a lot of money. See what she does not see is the years of knowledge and network of relationships that I have developed that my boss understands.

Buzz
09-23-2010, 10:11 AM
Sambo, good luck to Sam tomorrow. Hopefully I won't be on my way home by the time he runs. ;-)

menmon
09-23-2010, 10:20 AM
Sambo, good luck to Sam tomorrow. Hopefully I won't be on my way home by the time he runs. ;-)

I hope you are around for the whole weekend! Looks like you are the 3rd dog to run. That can be bad or good. Sam is the 50th dog to run and so far this year, running towards the end has not played good for us.

Buzz
09-23-2010, 10:22 AM
I hope you are around for the whole weekend! Looks like you are the 3rd dog to run. That can be bad or good. Sam is the 50th dog to run and so far this year, running towards the end has not played good for us.

Third in the open, second in the qual. It' doesn't get any better!

M&K's Retrievers
09-23-2010, 11:00 AM
Looks like IHOP has punched in and is in his cubicle posting when the boss isn't looking.:D

road kill
09-23-2010, 11:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Buzz
Sambo, good luck to Sam tomorrow. Hopefully I won't be on my way home by the time he runs.

I hope you are around for the whole weekend! Looks like you are the 3rd dog to run. That can be bad or good. Sam is the 50th dog to run and so far this year, running towards the end has not played good for us.

Good luck fellas!!


RK

WaterDogRem
09-23-2010, 11:30 AM
At the very least, the democrats have stopped the free fall they inherited. Compare the economy and fiscal position Bill Clinton turned over to George Bush in 1993 to the economy and fiscal position George Bush turned over to Obama in 2009... Nuff said.

Beleive you didn't mean Clinton to Bush in 1993?? But when Clinton handed it over to George W Bush, since that seems to always be one of your talking points. Isn't that when the Republicans controlled Congress?

Buzz
09-23-2010, 11:33 AM
Good luck fellas!!


RK

I really appreciate that RK!

road kill
09-23-2010, 11:35 AM
I really appreciate that RK!
Well I don't run trials, but I do run HT's.
It gets pretty grueling.
But when it goes right, it's better than sex!!;-)

I hope you and your pup's have a couple of what I term "Glory Days."

That's between you and the dog, no judge needed!!:D


stan b

Roger Perry
09-23-2010, 12:01 PM
Democrats: Yeah, we’re bad but Republicans are worse

But the Democrats admit the Republicans have a big emotional advantage with voters who are fed up with high unemployment, soaring deficits and what many see as an arrogant Congress and administration that rammed a revolutionary health care plan down their throats.
If voters keep burning with the throw-the-bums-out fever that animated so many primaries, Democrats would be likely to lose more than 40 House seats, costing them the majority and positioning Republicans to block virtually any Obama initiatives in the next two years. Losing the Senate majority, which would require a 10-seat Republican gain, is less likely.
PresidentBarack Obama (http://www.whitehouse.gov/), campaigning for a Senate contender in Connecticut on Thursday, said of Republicans: “All they are going to be feeding us is anger and resentment and not a lot of new ideas. But that’s a potent force when people are scared and they’re hurting.”

menmon
09-24-2010, 09:20 AM
Good luck fellas!!


RK

We can disagree on the political stuff...but when it comes to dogs we all on the same page.

Thanks

menmon
09-24-2010, 10:49 AM
Third in the open, second in the qual. It' doesn't get any better!

Bill just sent a text. The 1st series is a quad w/ 2 retired very very tight in line look on left. Retired middle and long birds, Flyer out of picture on right.

Good luck with that! I'm sure they will get answers. Probably more than they want.

aandw
09-24-2010, 01:45 PM
At the very least, the democrats have stopped the free fall they inherited. Compare the economy and fiscal position Bill Clinton turned over to George Bush in 1993 to the economy and fiscal position George Bush turned over to Obama in 2009... Nuff said.


you brag about the economy under clinton then bash reps for deregulation that helped the economy during the same time. make up your mind.

menmon
09-24-2010, 03:44 PM
you brag about the economy under clinton then bash reps for deregulation that helped the economy during the same time. make up your mind.

For clarity, financial deregulation was driven by Phil Gramm and the majority rebublican house and senate during the Clinton years. That is part of the reason McCain looked so scarey, because Phil Gramm was his economic advisor during the campaign

road kill
09-24-2010, 05:56 PM
For clarity, financial deregulation was driven by Phil Gramm and the majority rebublican house and senate during the Clinton years. That is part of the reason McCain looked so scarey, because Phil Gramm was his economic advisor during the campaign

Doubtful that the majority of any Obama voters would even know what you are talking about !

That had 0% influence on Obama's election.




RK

menmon
09-24-2010, 10:10 PM
Doubtful that the majority of any Obama voters would even know what you are talking about !

That had 0% influence on Obama's election.




RK

I agree with that. I'm sure most give Clinton the credit for his prosperty when the preceeding years of deflation coupled with massive CAPEX spending by corporations in front of Y2K was mostly responsible.

I vote democrat because the wasteful spending ussually occurs here in the states and gets to people that really need as opposed to the same wasteful spending that gets to people that don't need it and much occurs else where.

For the record, I vote democrat because I have been lied to too many time by the party of Lincoln

A more important note, my dog Sam is back to the 3rd at MO Valley

depittydawg
09-24-2010, 10:55 PM
For clarity, financial deregulation was driven by Phil Gramm and the majority rebublican house and senate during the Clinton years. That is part of the reason McCain looked so scarey, because Phil Gramm was his economic advisor during the campaign

This is correct. And Bill Clinton pushed hard for it as well. Of the Cabal that drove this through congress, only Allan Greenspan has come out and publically admitted it was a mistake.

dnf777
09-24-2010, 11:07 PM
Doubtful that the majority of any Obama voters would even know what you are talking about !

That had 0% influence on Obama's election.




RK

I didn't vote for Obama, but I sure as hell didn't vote for McCain, and seeing Phil Gram by his side was a MAJOR deciding factor in that decision. (Phil Gram awarded me an appointment to the Air Force Academy years ago, and I will always appreciate him for that, even though I declined.) But his economic policies are disastrous for America. Nutt'n personal.

Richard
09-25-2010, 06:29 PM
Know your history, if you don't, history will repeat itself. Look what happen in the early 20's, jobs growth and good times under Coolidge. then , Woodrow wilson did his evil, and try and destroy are constitution which he Hated.Then the great depression. Look at the big picture, Bush,Clinton and Obama are progressive and are guilty of selling us as a nation Out!

Sending job, money and industy overseas is wrong, and it is their way of spreading the wealth and doing a way with Capitalism. Thay can't take us by force so they will weaken the dollar, just like the German's did and it Failed.


"Fear the Government and it is Tyranny, Fear the people and it's Liberty!

Thomas Jefferson.

depittydawg
09-25-2010, 06:40 PM
Know your history, if you don't, history will repeat itself. Look what happen in the early 20's, jobs growth and good times under Coolidge. then , Woodrow wilson did his evil, and try and destroy are constitution which he Hated.Then the great depression. Look at the big picture, Bush,Clinton and Obama are progressive and are guilty of selling us as a nation Out!

Sending job, money and industy overseas is wrong, and it is their way of spreading the wealth and doing a way with Capitalism. Thay can't take us by force so they will weaken the dollar, just like the German's did and it Failed.


"Fear the Government and it is Tyranny, Fear the people and it's Liberty!

Thomas Jefferson.

Sounds like an alternative view of history. Doubt you will find these thoughts and conclusions in any accepted history texts.