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Uncle Bill
10-15-2010, 10:15 AM
I'd like to leave with something my friends and I believe in, and are in hopes more Americans will 'get it' also. Just a couple more weeks and we'll know if we are on the path to getting our country back, or it's on the way to total ruin by the liberals,socialists, and Marxists.

UB








They like to refer to us as senior citizens, old fogies, geezers, and in some cases dinosaurs. Some of us are "baby boomer" getting ready to retire. Others have been retired for some time. We walk a little slower these days and our eyes and hearing are not what they once were. We have worked hard, raised our children, worshipped our God and grown old together. Yes, we are the ones some refer to as being over the hill and that is probably true.




But before writing us off completely, there are a few things that need to be taken into consideration. In school we studied English, history, math, and science which enabled us to lead America into the technological age.

Most of us remember what outhouses were, many of us with firsthand

experience. We remember the days of telephone party-lines, 25 cent
gasoline, and milk and ice being delivered to our homes. For those of you who don't know what an icebox is, today they are electric and referred to as refrigerators. A few even remember when cars were started with a crank. Yes, we lived those days.



We are probably considered old fashioned and out-dated by many. But there are a few things you need to remember before completely writing us off. We won World War II and fought in Korea and Viet Nam . We can quote the pledge of allegiance, and know where to place our hand while doing so. We wore the uniform of our country with pride and lost many friends on the battlefield. We didn't fight for the Socialist States of America , we fought for the "land of the free and home of the brave." We wore different uniforms but carried the same flag. We know the words to the Star Spangle Banner, America , and America the Beautiful by heart, and you may even see some tears running down our cheeks as we sing. We have lived what many of you have only read about in history books and we feel no obligation to apologize to anyone for America .

Yes, we are old and slow these days but rest assured, we have at least one good fight left in us. We have loved this country, fought for it, and died for it, and now we are going to save it. It is our country and nobody is going to take it away from us. We took oaths to defend America against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and that is an oath we plan to keep. There are those who want to destroy this land we love but, like our founders, there is no way we are going to remain silent.

It was the young people of this nation who elected Obama and the current congress. You fell for the "Hope and change" which in reality was nothing but "Hype and lies." You have tasted socialism and seen evil face to face, and have found you don't like it after all.

You make a lot of noise but most are all too interested in their careers
or "Climbing the social ladder" to be involved in such mundane things as patriotism and voting.

Many of those who fell for the "great lie" in 2008 are now having buyer's remorse. With all the education we gave you, you didn't have sense enough to see through the lies and instead drank the kool-aid. Now you're paying the price and complaining about it.

No jobs, lost mortgages, higher taxes, and less freedom. This is what you voted for and this is what you got. We entrusted you with the Torch of Liberty and you traded it for a paycheck and a fancy house.

Well, don't worry youngsters, the Grey Haired Brigade is here, and in two weeks we are going to take back our nation. We may drive a little slower than you would like but we get where we're going, and in November we're going to the polls by the millions. This land does not belong to the man in the White House or to Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. It belongs to "We the People", and "We the People" plan to reclaim our land and our freedom. We hope this time you will do a better job of preserving it and passing it along to our grandchildren.

So the next time you have the chance to say the Pledge of Allegiance, stand up, put your hand over your heart, honor our country, and thank God for the old geezers of the Grey-Haired Brigade."

dnf777
10-15-2010, 11:14 AM
Where ya going?
I hope you're ok.

Roger Perry
10-15-2010, 11:36 AM
I'd like to leave with something my friends and I believe in, and are in hopes more Americans will 'get it' also. Just a couple more weeks and we'll know if we are on the path to getting our country back, or it's on the way to total ruin by the liberals,socialists, and Marxists.

Uncle Bill, can you please tell me just how the Republicans helped the Country? We did not have a deflict and no wars were going on when "your guy" took office in 2001. When your guy left office in 2009, we were in the middle of 2 wars and a record defict and the Country headed toward a depression. The stock market was on a steady decline, Banks were going out of business at a record pace, homes were being foreclosed on, unemployment skyrocketing.

ducknwork
10-15-2010, 11:52 AM
To be perfectly honest with you, your post really pisses me off. Keep blaming the "youngsters" but 'you' are just as much to blame as anyone else. I don't mean to detract from the things that the 'the greatest generation' and 'baby boomers' have accomplished, but yall have screwed up a bunch of crap at the same time. Your cut and paste does nothing but place blame in the wrong place. It's everyone's fault.

It was the young people of this nation who elected Obama and the current congress.
If I remember correctly
senior citizens, old fogies, geezers, and in some cases dinosaurs voted overwhelmingly for Obama as well. Don't blame this on us.



You make a lot of noise but most are all too interested in their careers
or "Climbing the social ladder" to be involved in such mundane things as patriotism and voting.
And your prized 'baby boomers' aren't busy doing the same thing? In fact, I'd say they are probably the most busy being concerned with careers and social ladders.


With all the education we gave you, you didn't have sense enough to see through the lies and instead drank the kool-aid. Now you're paying the price and complaining about it.
Apparently, your generation didn't have sense enough either and you are obviously complaining about it via this email, which I suspect many people your age are forwarding, therefore, you are all complaining. How ironic.


No jobs, lost mortgages, higher taxes, and less freedom. This is what you voted for and this is what you got. We entrusted you with the Torch of Liberty and you traded it for a paycheck and a fancy house.
More hypocrisy.


We hope this time you will do a better job of preserving it and passing it along to our grandchildren.
More incorrect blame.:rolleyes::mad:


So the next time you have the chance to say the Pledge of Allegiance, stand up, put your hand over your heart, honor our country, and thank God for the old geezers of the Grey-Haired Brigade."
Yeah, because nobody else has done anything right.:rolleyes:

You know what? This bullshit email is a fine example of one of the major problems with this country. Sure UB, keep passing the buck and saying it's everyone else's fault. Who needs to take responsibility for their own actions when they can just blame it on someone else anyway?

dnf777
10-15-2010, 12:32 PM
To be perfectly honest with you, your post really pisses me off. Keep blaming the "youngsters" but 'you' are just as much to blame as anyone else. You know what? This bullshit email is a fine example of one of the major problems with this country. Sure UB, keep passing the buck and saying it's everyone else's fault. Who needs to take responsibility for their own actions when they can just blame it on someone else anyway?

Thanks Duck...I was thinking the same thing, but just didn't have the energy...

I hope UB is ok, sounded like he put himself on some kind of short list.

Roger Perry
10-15-2010, 12:38 PM
Thanks Duck...I was thinking the same thing, but just didn't have the energy...

I hope UB is ok, sounded like he put himself on some kind of short list.

I think "before I go down" was the title of the email he passed along on RTF.

Julie R.
10-15-2010, 12:57 PM
I think "before I go down" was the title of the email he passed along on RTF.

Roger, no need to be churlish about UB posting an email he received; how is that any more tedious than your endless cut and paste drivel?

WaterDogRem
10-15-2010, 01:13 PM
Thanks Duck! How worthless of a FWD email. Those generation did do get things, and have all my respect. But if the "youngsters" are the reason this county is in this position now, would it be because the gray-haired brigade didn't pass along and instill their morals, ethics, and principals?

ducknwork
10-15-2010, 03:01 PM
Thanks Duck! How worthless of a FWD email. Those generation did do get things, and have all my respect. But if the "youngsters" are the reason this county is in this position now, would it be because the gray-haired brigade didn't pass along and instill their morals, ethics, and principals?

It's hard to pass along something that you no longer possess because you completely turned your back on them and rejected them during the 60s and 70s.

Yeah, UB, your hippie movement (among other things) had nothing to do with the state of affairs.:rolleyes:

YardleyLabs
10-15-2010, 04:19 PM
It's hard to pass along something that you no longer possess because you completely turned your back on them and rejected them during the 60s and 70s.

Yeah, UB, your hippie movement (among other things) had nothing to do with the state of affairs.:rolleyes:
I think you'll find that UB predates hippy - try McCarthy and John Birch Society era. He is a kindred spirit to Robert Welch (maker of Sugar Baby candies and founder of the John Birch Society) and Fred Koch, another John Birch founding member who is now one of the prime money men for the tea party movement. (No disrespect intended. I would assume that UB would agree.)

dnf777
10-15-2010, 06:05 PM
I think you'll find that UB predates hippy - try McCarthy and John Birch Society era. He is a kindred spirit to Robert Welch (maker of Sugar Baby candies and founder of the John Birch Society) and Fred Koch, another John Birch founding member who is now one of the prime money men for the tea party movement. (No disrespect intended. I would assume that UB would agree.)

More SugarBaby, and less WavyGravy?

charly_t
10-15-2010, 06:40 PM
We are all to blame in some way for the decline of our country but tell me.....how do you change it when everyone running for office is lying about something. No honest people who are for the right things ever seem to be running anymore. We dog breeders fought hard last year to get law makers in OK to listen to us. Instead they hosted out of state animal rights people and what was worst listened to them. I'm tired........been fighting this war for a lot of years. The honest people never make it to the playing field.

depittydawg
10-15-2010, 10:39 PM
To be perfectly honest with you, your post really pisses me off. Keep blaming the "youngsters" but 'you' are just as much to blame as anyone else. I don't mean to detract from the things that the 'the greatest generation' and 'baby boomers' have accomplished, but yall have screwed up a bunch of crap at the same time. Your cut and paste does nothing but place blame in the wrong place. It's everyone's fault.

If I remember correctly voted overwhelmingly for Obama as well. Don't blame this on us.


And your prized 'baby boomers' aren't busy doing the same thing? In fact, I'd say they are probably the most busy being concerned with careers and social ladders.

Apparently, your generation didn't have sense enough either and you are obviously complaining about it via this email, which I suspect many people your age are forwarding, therefore, you are all complaining. How ironic.


More hypocrisy.


More incorrect blame.:rolleyes::mad:


Yeah, because nobody else has done anything right.:rolleyes:

You know what? This bullshit email is a fine example of one of the major problems with this country. Sure UB, keep passing the buck and saying it's everyone else's fault. Who needs to take responsibility for their own actions when they can just blame it on someone else anyway?

Your on the money with this response. Not really sure who the "Greatest Generation" was. But I know it's not my parents. Probably their parents. Those who were adults during the 30s and 40's were the people who made sacrifices and fought to build the America of the 20th century. They won WWII. They organized the Unions that solidified the middle class as the dominant force in America. Since then, it seems each generation has become greedier and greedier.
Look at the face of the Political Movements today. See anybody advocating sacrifice, humility, sharing the wealth?

depittydawg
10-15-2010, 10:42 PM
I'd like to leave with something my friends and I believe in, and are in hopes more Americans will 'get it' also. Just a couple more weeks and we'll know if we are on the path to getting our country back, or it's on the way to total ruin by the liberals,socialists, and Marxists.

UB








They like to refer to us as senior citizens, old fogies, geezers, and in some cases dinosaurs. Some of us are "baby boomer" getting ready to retire. Others have been retired for some time. We walk a little slower these days and our eyes and hearing are not what they once were. We have worked hard, raised our children, worshipped our God and grown old together. Yes, we are the ones some refer to as being over the hill and that is probably true.




But before writing us off completely, there are a few things that need to be taken into consideration. In school we studied English, history, math, and science which enabled us to lead America into the technological age.

Most of us remember what outhouses were, many of us with firsthand

experience. We remember the days of telephone party-lines, 25 cent
gasoline, and milk and ice being delivered to our homes. For those of you who don't know what an icebox is, today they are electric and referred to as refrigerators. A few even remember when cars were started with a crank. Yes, we lived those days.



We are probably considered old fashioned and out-dated by many. But there are a few things you need to remember before completely writing us off. We won World War II and fought in Korea and Viet Nam . We can quote the pledge of allegiance, and know where to place our hand while doing so. We wore the uniform of our country with pride and lost many friends on the battlefield. We didn't fight for the Socialist States of America , we fought for the "land of the free and home of the brave." We wore different uniforms but carried the same flag. We know the words to the Star Spangle Banner, America , and America the Beautiful by heart, and you may even see some tears running down our cheeks as we sing. We have lived what many of you have only read about in history books and we feel no obligation to apologize to anyone for America .

Yes, we are old and slow these days but rest assured, we have at least one good fight left in us. We have loved this country, fought for it, and died for it, and now we are going to save it. It is our country and nobody is going to take it away from us. We took oaths to defend America against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and that is an oath we plan to keep. There are those who want to destroy this land we love but, like our founders, there is no way we are going to remain silent.

It was the young people of this nation who elected Obama and the current congress. You fell for the "Hope and change" which in reality was nothing but "Hype and lies." You have tasted socialism and seen evil face to face, and have found you don't like it after all.

You make a lot of noise but most are all too interested in their careers
or "Climbing the social ladder" to be involved in such mundane things as patriotism and voting.

Many of those who fell for the "great lie" in 2008 are now having buyer's remorse. With all the education we gave you, you didn't have sense enough to see through the lies and instead drank the kool-aid. Now you're paying the price and complaining about it.

No jobs, lost mortgages, higher taxes, and less freedom. This is what you voted for and this is what you got. We entrusted you with the Torch of Liberty and you traded it for a paycheck and a fancy house.

Well, don't worry youngsters, the Grey Haired Brigade is here, and in two weeks we are going to take back our nation. We may drive a little slower than you would like but we get where we're going, and in November we're going to the polls by the millions. This land does not belong to the man in the White House or to Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. It belongs to "We the People", and "We the People" plan to reclaim our land and our freedom. We hope this time you will do a better job of preserving it and passing it along to our grandchildren.

So the next time you have the chance to say the Pledge of Allegiance, stand up, put your hand over your heart, honor our country, and thank God for the old geezers of the Grey-Haired Brigade."








I gotta say this is the biggest load of crap I've read in a while. Bunch of BS nonsense. :-x

david gibson
10-15-2010, 11:30 PM
really? obviously this is a cut and paste email. well Lah-di-FRICKIN-dah!

but it is in the words of men who did more that ANY of of us ever did. sure, i respect the heck out of the guys that fought in viet nam. big time, dont no one ever doubt that. as well as Iraq and A-stan. i have family members that have or are serving.

but we were/are on the offensive there, different than the men that donned olive drab and stormed normandy and st lo. hitler had to be stopped. or are you the type believing oliver stone that hitler was just misunderstood????? sob sob


so before you chastise this post, ask yourself exactly how you would feel if you crawled onto a beach under fire or parachuted into deeper France under fire to save the free world as we have it today, and then saw the crap we have going on today?

sorry if you guys feel different, but i respect my dad and uncles and their peers of the "greatest generation", and i dont blame them one bit for being pissed as they face their own mortality and see the rest of us squandering away everything they gave there ALL for.

all gave some, some gave ALL. everyone seems to forget the young boys that lost their lives in europe and their bodies never made it back here in the early 1940's. it was a hell of a lot more than what we see today! these were men that today would be mid 80's to '90's with sons and daughters the age of many of us. dont know about you, but i can definitely see a blank space next to me that could have been a good friend.

think of the lives that never had a chance, because they gave it for our freedom. sorry, but i refuse to refute a post like this from our elder generation.

i dont blame them one bit for being pissed. they have a right given what they sacrificed.


SHAME SHAME SHAME gomer pyle regards

dnf777
10-16-2010, 07:40 AM
Your on the money with this response. Not really sure who the "Greatest Generation" was. But I know it's not my parents. Probably their parents. Those who were adults during the 30s and 40's were the people who made sacrifices and fought to build the America of the 20th century. They won WWII. They organized the Unions that solidified the middle class as the dominant force in America. Since then, it seems each generation has become greedier and greedier.
Look at the face of the Political Movements today. See anybody advocating sacrifice, humility, sharing the wealth?

Well said. To me, it was the Reagan/DeLorean generation of ME ME ME. We used to have CEOs who actually cared about their workers, and it was enough to be a millionaire. Now, we sell our workers' jobs overseas in order to become a billionaire. (carly firorina?) Everyone thinks they deserve a half-million dollar home and european luxury sports sedans. But its easier to blame it all on the MD2020, malt liquor, and swisher consumers for all our troubles.

dnf777
10-16-2010, 07:59 AM
but it is in the words of men who did more that ANY of of us ever did. sure, i respect the heck out of the guys that fought in viet nam. big time, dont no one ever doubt that. as well as Iraq and A-stan. i have family members that have or are serving.

but we were/are on the offensive there, different than the men that donned olive drab and stormed normandy and st lo. hitler had to be stopped. or are you the type believing oliver stone that hitler was just misunderstood????? sob sob

SHAME SHAME SHAME gomer pyle regards

Many on this list have children who are currently serving, spouses in uniform, or actually served themselves! So quit the sanctimonious crap. Go join yourself, then we'll listen to your lecturing on military history and pride. Nobody else on this list, especially the actual veterans, uses that tactic, except YOU.

As for the bold type above, [my emphasis] speak for yourself. Then that statement is very true. I know many in my generation who work hard, served in conflict, and came home and bettered themselves in every way they could. Started businesses, raised families, and held true to the very ideals of the Greatest Generation. Who the heck are you to pass judgement on veterans or anyone else who is gettin' in done today, and then make references to Hitler sympathizers for anyone who disagrees? You make me ill. (not really, but you do represent what is wrong with this country today in many facets) Even your photograpy is based on manipulation and creating false images that are what you WANT things to be, not as they really are. But hey, if your photoshopped t-shirt images of eagles crapping on the president make you money, that's what its all about right?

BrianW
10-17-2010, 01:53 AM
Since then, it seems each generation has become greedier and greedier.
Look at the face of the Political Movements today. See anybody advocating sacrifice, humility, sharing the wealth?


To me, it was the Reagan/DeLorean generation of ME ME ME. We used to have CEOs who actually cared about their workers, and it was enough to be a millionaire. Now, we sell our workers' jobs overseas in order to become a billionaire. (carly firorina?) Everyone thinks they deserve a half-million dollar home and european luxury sports sedans. But its easier to blame it all on the MD2020, malt liquor, and swisher consumers for all our troubles.

So are you guys advocating that government set limits in how successful someone can be?!? Talk about killing the entrepreneurial spirit! Did you do anything to develop Facebook? But you seem to think that the guy should only "deserve" to be a millionaire and gov.org should reap the harvest of profit and share the wealth where IT sees fit?
In case you haven't noticed, most of the major charitable foundations are started & funded by the ultra-rich, the Gates', the Krocs et al who establish hospitals, university scholarships, community centers etc etc. They start with next to nothing but a few bucks and a good idea, grow it because of the American Dream & Spirit and then share their fortune because it's the right, moral and the human thing to do. Not because anyone else is entitled to or deserves a gift of their wealth as part of a political movement.

And that's what the main point of UB's pasted e-mail is about, imo. When the Blue Hairs & Grey Hairs were young, you were 'entitled' to nothing but the "pursuit of happiness" & chance of being a success. There was no "right" to a college education or own a home. So yes it was "ME, ME, ME" because you knew that no one was going to give it to you. If you wanted something better, you EARNED it. So you worked for it. Sometimes with 2 or 3 jobs & you made sacrifices so your kids could have it better than you. And if you lost a job and couldn't get one where you lived, you moved to where the jobs were.

But somehow this has changed and "The Dream" has been allowed to turn into a grotesque caricature of itself. The Aunt Zeituni video that was linked here a short while back is a great example, of what not everyone, but far too many evidently believe, an almost perfect synopsis of an "share the wealth" entitlement mentality. The sacrifices the GHB made & the gifts they and others still continue to give this country are being squandered & discarded by the spoiled children who seem to take it for granted that the grandparent's hard won inheritance is a no limit allowance for doing nothing. So I don't blame them for being pissed off and trying to get the nest egg back before it goes totally rotten..

M&K's Retrievers
10-17-2010, 02:32 AM
So are you guys advocating that government set limits in how successful someone can be?!? Talk about killing the entrepreneurial spirit! Did you do anything to develop Facebook? But you seem to think that the guy should only "deserve" to be a millionaire and gov.org should reap the harvest of profit and share the wealth where IT sees fit?
In case you haven't noticed, most of the major charitable foundations are started & funded by the ultra-rich, the Gates', the Krocs et al who establish hospitals, university scholarships, community centers etc etc. They start with next to nothing but a few bucks and a good idea, grow it because of the American Dream & Spirit and then share their fortune because it's the right, moral and the human thing to do. Not because anyone else is entitled to or deserves a gift of their wealth as part of a political movement.

And that's what the main point of UB's pasted e-mail is about, imo. When the Blue Hairs & Grey Hairs were young, you were 'entitled' to nothing but the "pursuit of happiness" & chance of being a success. There was no "right" to a college education or own a home. So yes it was "ME, ME, ME" because you knew that no one was going to give it to you. If you wanted something better, you EARNED it. So you worked for it. Sometimes with 2 or 3 jobs & you made sacrifices so your kids could have it better than you. And if you lost a job and couldn't get one where you lived, you moved to where the jobs were.

But somehow this has changed and "The Dream" has been allowed to turn into a grotesque caricature of itself. The Aunt Zeituni video that was linked here a short while back is a great example, of what not everyone, but far too many evidently believe, an almost perfect synopsis of an "share the wealth" entitlement mentality. The sacrifices the GHB made & the gifts they and others still continue to give this country are being squandered & discarded by the spoiled children who seem to take it for granted that the grandparent's hard won inheritance is a no limit allowance for doing nothing. So I don't blame them for being pissed off and trying to get the nest egg back before it goes totally rotten..

Well said.

dnf777
10-17-2010, 06:17 PM
So are you guys advocating that government set limits in how successful someone can be?!? Talk about killing the entrepreneurial spirit!

Not at all. I never said anything remotely close to that. I think reasonable laws should be in place, as they have been until the Reagan/Bush/Clinton/Bush era.

What do you have against keeping a manufacturing base in America? Henry Ford had the right idea. And I don't think his entrepreneurial spirit was killed.

Yes, the spirit needs to be kept alive. But not allowed to run free until the point it becomes unbridled greed, to the detriment of the very workers who built the system in the first place. Surely you don't regret Kenneth Lay, Michael Milken, and Bernie Madoff having their "entrepreneurial spirits" reeled in a bit?

depittydawg
10-17-2010, 08:37 PM
So are you guys advocating that government set limits in how successful someone can be?!? Talk about killing the entrepreneurial spirit! Did you do anything to develop Facebook? But you seem to think that the guy should only "deserve" to be a millionaire and gov.org should reap the harvest of profit and share the wealth where IT sees fit?
In case you haven't noticed, most of the major charitable foundations are started & funded by the ultra-rich, the Gates', the Krocs et al who establish hospitals, university scholarships, community centers etc etc. They start with next to nothing but a few bucks and a good idea, grow it because of the American Dream & Spirit and then share their fortune because it's the right, moral and the human thing to do. Not because anyone else is entitled to or deserves a gift of their wealth as part of a political movement.

And that's what the main point of UB's pasted e-mail is about, imo. When the Blue Hairs & Grey Hairs were young, you were 'entitled' to nothing but the "pursuit of happiness" & chance of being a success. There was no "right" to a college education or own a home. So yes it was "ME, ME, ME" because you knew that no one was going to give it to you. If you wanted something better, you EARNED it. So you worked for it. Sometimes with 2 or 3 jobs & you made sacrifices so your kids could have it better than you. And if you lost a job and couldn't get one where you lived, you moved to where the jobs were.

But somehow this has changed and "The Dream" has been allowed to turn into a grotesque caricature of itself. The Aunt Zeituni video that was linked here a short while back is a great example, of what not everyone, but far too many evidently believe, an almost perfect synopsis of an "share the wealth" entitlement mentality. The sacrifices the GHB made & the gifts they and others still continue to give this country are being squandered & discarded by the spoiled children who seem to take it for granted that the grandparent's hard won inheritance is a no limit allowance for doing nothing. So I don't blame them for being pissed off and trying to get the nest egg back before it goes totally rotten..

The only thing that I advocate is that the wealthiest Americans pay the same percentage of their income, in any form, in taxes that the middle class does. And that US corporations, since they are more than equal to us biological units as citizens, pay the same.

YardleyLabs
10-17-2010, 08:43 PM
So are you guys advocating that government set limits in how successful someone can be?!? Talk about killing the entrepreneurial spirit! Did you do anything to develop Facebook? But you seem to think that the guy should only "deserve" to be a millionaire and gov.org should reap the harvest of profit and share the wealth where IT sees fit?
In case you haven't noticed, most of the major charitable foundations are started & funded by the ultra-rich, the Gates', the Krocs et al who establish hospitals, university scholarships, community centers etc etc. They start with next to nothing but a few bucks and a good idea, grow it because of the American Dream & Spirit and then share their fortune because it's the right, moral and the human thing to do. Not because anyone else is entitled to or deserves a gift of their wealth as part of a political movement.

And that's what the main point of UB's pasted e-mail is about, imo. When the Blue Hairs & Grey Hairs were young, you were 'entitled' to nothing but the "pursuit of happiness" & chance of being a success. There was no "right" to a college education or own a home. So yes it was "ME, ME, ME" because you knew that no one was going to give it to you. If you wanted something better, you EARNED it. So you worked for it. Sometimes with 2 or 3 jobs & you made sacrifices so your kids could have it better than you. And if you lost a job and couldn't get one where you lived, you moved to where the jobs were.

But somehow this has changed and "The Dream" has been allowed to turn into a grotesque caricature of itself. The Aunt Zeituni video that was linked here a short while back is a great example, of what not everyone, but far too many evidently believe, an almost perfect synopsis of an "share the wealth" entitlement mentality. The sacrifices the GHB made & the gifts they and others still continue to give this country are being squandered & discarded by the spoiled children who seem to take it for granted that the grandparent's hard won inheritance is a no limit allowance for doing nothing. So I don't blame them for being pissed off and trying to get the nest egg back before it goes totally rotten..
This is a strawman argument. Beyond that, the developer of FaceBook would have had nothing to develop if the government had not financed and overseen the entire development of the Internet. It would also be very amusing to the developer of FaceBook to be mentioned in the same post with the words blue hairs and gray hairs, and I wonder who paid his tuition at Harvard.

charly_t
10-17-2010, 10:03 PM
Can you explain why its my fault


Pete

None of us is perfect and none of us has done everything we could to make things better. Makes no difference if it was voting or some other thing we failed to do. I don't know too many people who would say that they stepped up and did everything they could. I don't know you so I can't tell you where you made a mistake. Everyone has to search their own mind for what they can and should do.

depittydawg
10-17-2010, 10:31 PM
Not at all. I never said anything remotely close to that. I think reasonable laws should be in place, as they have been until the Reagan/Bush/Clinton/Bush era.

What do you have against keeping a manufacturing base in America? Henry Ford had the right idea. And I don't think his entrepreneurial spirit was killed.

Yes, the spirit needs to be kept alive. But not allowed to run free until the point it becomes unbridled greed, to the detriment of the very workers who built the system in the first place. Surely you don't regret Kenneth Lay, Michael Milken, and Bernie Madoff having their "entrepreneurial spirits" reeled in a bit?

There is nothing entrepreneurial about a CEO, who in many cases is destroying an organization he walked into, not building one, or a Wall Street Banker pocketing more than a billion dollars a year. Why do America CEO's seem to require 500X workers wages while Europe and Japan seem to find CEO's that get the best of our in industry after industry for a fraction of the cost?
From 2002-2204 US median household income dropped about 1700 dollars a year. During the same period CEO pay increased 1,827,000 dollars per year. There is nothing entrepreneurial about this.

dnf777
10-18-2010, 06:10 AM
There is nothing entrepreneurial about a CEO, who in many cases is destroying an organization he walked into, not building one, or a Wall Street Banker pocketing more than a billion dollars a year. Why do America CEO's seem to require 500X workers wages while Europe and Japan seem to find CEO's that get the best of our in industry after industry for a fraction of the cost?
From 2002-2204 US median household income dropped about 1700 dollars a year. During the same period CEO pay increased 1,827,000 dollars per year. There is nothing entrepreneurial about this.

those statistics speak volumes about what's wrong with our corporate structure. There is a line between capitalism and greed. I'd like to say a "thin line", but nowadays, its a gulf.