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luvmylabs23139
10-16-2010, 01:12 PM
LOng story short. Republican votes were given to the Dems.:confused::confused::confused:



Some experience early voting woes


Posted: Oct 15, 2010 5:48 PM EDT Updated: Oct 15, 2010 5:52 PM EDT
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NEW HANOVER COUNTY, NC (WECT) - The first day of early voting in New Hanover County ended with Board of Election members calling an emergency meeting.
Some people complained that when they voted for certain candidates the electronic voting machines would pick another candidate.
"I was going through county commissioners and made my selection, it went from Republican candidates to Democrat. It did it three different times," said Dean Lambeth, Mayor of Kure Beach.
According to Lambeth, he experienced the same issue when he voted for the congressional race.
"We talked with a technician and said it could have been an interruption in power or it could have been a calibration that wasn't saved," said Bonnie Williams, Board of Elections Supervisor.
Williams says the problem has been fixed and no votes were compromised.
During the emergency meeting Thursday night, board of election members didn't seem to take the voting problems seriously, according to Lambeth.
"The right to vote is one of the most important rights citizens have. A lot of people have made supreme sacrifices for that," said Lambeth.
"I don't know how to really respond to that," said Williams. "My board members take every election very serious."
Williams said voters and precinct workers did a good job of spotting the problems early before it became a big issue.
We called board of elections in other counties to see how the first day of early voting went, there were some problems, but nothing like what happened in New Hanover County.
Copyright 2010 WECT. All rights reserved.

subroc
10-16-2010, 01:33 PM
democrarts have no shame when it comes to rigging elections

M&K's Retrievers
10-16-2010, 01:36 PM
democrarts have no shame when it comes to rigging elections

Lyndon Johnson has taught them well. The dead in Uvalde County are still voting when needed.

Roger Perry
10-17-2010, 10:03 AM
democrarts have no shame when it comes to rigging elections

Maybe they took a play out of the Republican playbook:rolleyes:

Why Usability Testing Matters --
Palm Beach County Ballot Design Raises Questions about Election 2000

08 Nov 2000; Dennis G. Jerz (http://jerz.setonhill.edu/)The result of the 2000 U.S. Presidential race was so close that some Democratic Party officials argue that one Florida county's hard-to-use ballot may have unfairly decided the presidency.
Critics argue that some voters in Palm Beach County, Fla. might have accidentally voted for Reform Party candidate Pat Buchanan, when they thought they were voting for Al Gore. The Democrats are listed second in the left column; but punching a hole in the second circle actually cast a vote for Buchanan.

http://jerz.setonhill.edu/images/flaballot.jpg
Image of the Palm Beach County election ballot (first published in the Orlando Sun-Sentinel (http://cnews.tribune.com/news/image/0,1119,oso-nation-82373,00.html))


November 7th- Election Day
November 8th Early morning decision first in Bush's favor and then too close to count
November 9th- Results from Florida show George Bush lead to be 1,784- thus automatically triggering a machine recount
November 10th First recount shows George Bush ahead by 327 without counting absentee ballots. The Democrats request manual recounts in Miami-Dade, Broward, Palm Beach and Voulusia Counties
November 11th- Palm Beach announces it will recount- Bush goes to federal court to bar the recount.
http://www.historycentral.com/elections/2000recount.html


2,912,790 - George Bush
2,912,253 - Al Gore
97,488 - Ralph Nader
17,484 - Pat Buchanan
16,407 - Browne
2,281 - Hagelin
1,804 - Morehead votes
1,371 - Phillips
622 - McReynolds
562 - Harris
34 - Chote
6 - McCarthy


All you righties cry when something doesn't go your way. Florida law requires a recount when the votes are close. The Republicans had to go to Federal Court to stop a recount on a ballot that was designed by a Republican in charge of the desigining of the ballot. Go figure.

YardleyLabs
10-17-2010, 10:17 AM
democrarts have no shame when it comes to rigging elections
Are you seriously suggesting that all such problems are the product of conspiracy and that Democrats are responsible? The potential problems with electronic voting machines have been known from the beginning and have been at the heart of demands for hard copy records of votes. There have been numerous documented cases throughout the country with effects that have benefited both Democrats and Republicans. The most notorious was the Palm County ballot noted by Roger. That ballot was implemented by an election board dominated by Democrats (Roger says the design was by a Republican and he may be right) and was directly responsible for the election of Bush in 2000.

Ken Bora
10-17-2010, 10:34 AM
In this thread here, post #1 is a great example of what happens when smart, or at least “Average” people vote.
Post #4 is what happens when stupid people vote.
I remember that clearly and when I first saw that ballot on the news could not figure out the problem.
Each circle clearly has an arrow from the name pointing to it.
At my polling place, local grade school. They have a bake sale and I like to chat with folk and stock up on cake.
Some folk, like me, can tell you exactly whom they just voted for, and more importantly why.
Others come out glassy eyed and clueless.
Voting should require some sort of aptitude test.
But then again so should having children, in my opinion.
Whenever ANYONE claims that that ballot and the entire Florida hanging chad fiasco are directly responsible
For an election outcome. I like to remind, no, it is stupid voters that are responsible.
And BTW, I was happy with the results of that election.


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M&K's Retrievers
10-17-2010, 10:43 AM
Maybe they took a play out of the Republican playbook:rolleyes:

Why Usability Testing Matters --
Palm Beach County Ballot Design Raises Questions about Election 2000

08 Nov 2000; Dennis G. Jerz (http://jerz.setonhill.edu/)The result of the 2000 U.S. Presidential race was so close that some Democratic Party officials argue that one Florida county's hard-to-use ballot may have unfairly decided the presidency.
Critics argue that some voters in Palm Beach County, Fla. might have accidentally voted for Reform Party candidate Pat Buchanan, when they thought they were voting for Al Gore. The Democrats are listed second in the left column; but punching a hole in the second circle actually cast a vote for Buchanan.

http://jerz.setonhill.edu/images/flaballot.jpg
Image of the Palm Beach County election ballot (first published in the Orlando Sun-Sentinel (http://cnews.tribune.com/news/image/0,1119,oso-nation-82373,00.html))


November 7th- Election Day
November 8th Early morning decision first in Bush's favor and then too close to count
November 9th- Results from Florida show George Bush lead to be 1,784- thus automatically triggering a machine recount
November 10th First recount shows George Bush ahead by 327 without counting absentee ballots. The Democrats request manual recounts in Miami-Dade, Broward, Palm Beach and Voulusia Counties
November 11th- Palm Beach announces it will recount- Bush goes to federal court to bar the recount.
http://www.historycentral.com/elections/2000recount.html


2,912,790 - George Bush
2,912,253 - Al Gore
97,488 - Ralph Nader
17,484 - Pat Buchanan
16,407 - Browne
2,281 - Hagelin
1,804 - Morehead votes
1,371 - Phillips
622 - McReynolds
562 - Harris
34 - Chote
6 - McCarthy


All you righties cry when something doesn't go your way. Florida law requires a recount when the votes are close. The Republicans had to go to Federal Court to stop a recount on a ballot that was designed by a Republican in charge of the desigining of the ballot. Go figure.

What is so difficult about the ballot? Looks pretty straightforward. Follow the arrow.

luvmylabs23139
10-17-2010, 10:48 AM
There is a huge difference between people being too stupid to follow an arrow vs someone who checks the correct box and the machine gives the vote to another candidate.

depittydawg
10-17-2010, 10:56 AM
In this thread here, post #1 is a great example of what happens when smart, or at least “Average” people vote.
Post #4 is what happens when stupid people vote.
I remember that clearly and when I first saw that ballot on the news could not figure out the problem.
Each circle clearly has an arrow from the name pointing to it.
At my polling place, local grade school. They have a bake sale and I like to chat with folk and stock up on cake.
Some folk, like me, can tell you exactly whom they just voted for, and more importantly why.
Others come out glassy eyed and clueless.
Voting should require some sort of aptitude test.
But then again so should having children, in my opinion.
Whenever ANYONE claims that that ballot and the entire Florida hanging chad fiasco are directly responsible
For an election outcome. I like to remind, no, it is stupid voters that are responsible.
And BTW, I was happy with the results of that election.


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Ken I usually agree with what you post here. Or at least get a laugh out of it. But really... what does the intelligence level of the voter have to do with software malfunction in a machine? Since 2000 election machines have become increasingly widespread across America. In every election there is validated proof of malfunction, either accidental or deliberate. Does it turn elections? Of course it does. Does as fraud has turned elections long before electronic voting.

Ken Bora
10-17-2010, 10:58 AM
There is a huge difference between people being too stupid to follow an arrow vs someone who checks the correct box and the machine gives the vote to another candidate.


Ken I usually agree with what you post here. Or at least get a laugh out of it. But really... what does the intelligence level of the voter have to do with software malfunction in a machine? Since 2000 election machines have become increasingly widespread across America. In every election there is validated proof of malfunction, either accidental or deliberate. Does it turn elections? Of course it does. Does as fraud has turned elections long before electronic voting.

The point I was making was that those smart voters like Dean Lambeth mentioned knew who they wanted to vote for and immediately noticed on the E-vote screen and immediately notified the election official on site. He not only knew how to vote but who he wanted to vote for. A smart voter.
And the thousands of Floridian Democrats who could not follow an arrow, not smart voters.
One each a perfect example.
I like my states use of paper ballot we darken an oval with a marker next to a name.
It is then feed into an electronic counter for semi-instant counting and the paper ballot is saved.
We think it is the best of both worlds
How does your polling place do it where you vote?




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M&K's Retrievers
10-17-2010, 01:40 PM
I like my states use of paper ballot we darken an oval with a marker next to a name.
It is then feed into an electronic counter for semi-instant counting and the paper ballot is saved.





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Our Precinct does the same. In fact a copy of the ballot is available on line so you can check it out before you go.

Roger Perry
10-18-2010, 12:15 PM
In this thread here, post #1 is a great example of what happens when smart, or at least “Average” people vote.
Post #4 is what happens when stupid people vote.
I remember that clearly and when I first saw that ballot on the news could not figure out the problem.
Each circle clearly has an arrow from the name pointing to it.
At my polling place, local grade school. They have a bake sale and I like to chat with folk and stock up on cake.
Some folk, like me, can tell you exactly whom they just voted for, and more importantly why.
Others come out glassy eyed and clueless.
Voting should require some sort of aptitude test.
But then again so should having children, in my opinion.
Whenever ANYONE claims that that ballot and the entire Florida hanging chad fiasco are directly responsible
For an election outcome. I like to remind, no, it is stupid voters that are responsible.
And BTW, I was happy with the results of that election.


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It also helps that the secretary of state was a republican and Katherine Harris had been the co-chair of George W. Bush's Florida election campaign. it certainly didn't hurt that the Governor was one of the candidates brother:rolleyes:

Only much later did someone discover that Database Technologies had scrubbed 57,700 legal voters off the Florida rolls, most of whom would have probably voted for Gore. At least 8,000 of those disenfranchised voters came from a list of Texas felons provided by ChoicePoint Inc. -- except that those people had actually only committed misdemeanors and not felonies. Thus, they had been improperly barred from casting their ballots. A spokesman for ChoicePoint ultimately admitted, "I guess that's a little bit embarrassing in light of the election." What's more, ChoicePoint had contributed large amounts of money to Republican candidates in 2000, leading to the observation that the company's error coincidentally benefited its partisan leanings. But that hardly surprised anyone.
http://www.nndb.com/people/067/000038950/

road kill
10-18-2010, 12:25 PM
It also helps that the secretary of state was a republican and Katherine Harris had been the co-chair of George W. Bush's Florida election campaign. it certainly didn't hurt that the Governor was one of the candidates brother:rolleyes:

Only much later did someone discover that Database Technologies had scrubbed 57,700 legal voters off the Florida rolls, most of whom would have probably voted for Gore. At least 8,000 of those disenfranchised voters came from a list of Texas felons provided by ChoicePoint Inc. -- except that those people had actually only committed misdemeanors and not felonies. Thus, they had been improperly barred from casting their ballots. A spokesman for ChoicePoint ultimately admitted, "I guess that's a little bit embarrassing in light of the election." What's more, ChoicePoint had contributed large amounts of money to Republican candidates in 2000, leading to the observation that the company's error coincidentally benefited its partisan leanings. But that hardly surprised anyone.
http://www.nndb.com/people/067/000038950/

Really??
How do you know this???



RK

Buzz
10-18-2010, 12:27 PM
Democrats have been complaining about this problem since electronic voting machines came into use.

I guess now it's a problem... :rolleyes:

Roger Perry
10-18-2010, 12:37 PM
Really??
How do you know this???



RK

Originally Posted by Roger Perry http://new.retrievertraining.net/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://new.retrievertraining.net/forums/showthread.php?p=691980#post691980)
It also helps that the secretary of state was a republican and Katherine Harris had been the co-chair of George W. Bush's Florida election campaign. it certainly didn't hurt that the Governor was one of the candidates brother:rolleyes:

Only much later did someone discover that Database Technologies had scrubbed 57,700 legal voters off the Florida rolls, most of whom would have probably voted for Gore. At least 8,000 of those disenfranchised voters came from a list of Texas felons provided by ChoicePoint Inc. -- except that those people had actually only committed misdemeanors and not felonies. Thus, they had been improperly barred from casting their ballots. A spokesman for ChoicePoint ultimately admitted, "I guess that's a little bit embarrassing in light of the election." What's more, ChoicePoint had contributed large amounts of money to Republican candidates in 2000, leading to the observation that the company's error coincidentally benefited its partisan leanings. But that hardly surprised anyone.
http://www.nndb.com/people/067/000038950/

Really??
How do you know this???

How do I know what, that most of the people that had misdemeanors that were not allowed to vote would have voted for Gore? Well, no "self-respecting" republican would ever go to jail would they?

TN_LAB
10-18-2010, 12:44 PM
How about the Illinois Governor race with Rich Whitney?


News
"Rich Whitey" Instead of Whitney on Ballots

Posted October 15, 2010 9:55 PM. "Rich Whitey" isn't a great name for a politician to have. Unfortunately for Illinois gubernatorial candidate Rich Whitney, his last name has been mispelled "Whitey" on voting machines in some African-American wards, election officials said.

And the problem cannot be corrected by Election Day, Nov. 2, they said.

Whitney, a Carbondale, Ill., civil rights attorney running as the Illinois Green Party nominee, said he might take legal action to force a fix.
..

Read more: http://www.thirdage.com/news/rich-whitey-instead-whitney-ballots_10-15-2010#ixzz12jHyP6VP

Buzz
10-18-2010, 12:45 PM
Yup, those Democrats never win a fair election.


http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/10/18/31130.htm


Workers Say Boss Gave Them Marked Ballots
By TRACEY DALZELL WALSH

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. (CN) - Five black employees of Birmingham-based Altec Industries say the company owner told them to vote Republican, and gave them pre-marked ballots during a visit by Sen. Jeff Sessions. The workers add, in separate federal complaints, that when Barack Obama was elected president, "an employee drew cross hairs or a target on a picture of President Obama and posted it in the workplace."
In their discrimination complaints, all five employees claim they were "subjected to different terms and conditions of employment because of their race," including denial of promotions and training. They say they were given a different dress code than white workers and denied breaks that white employees enjoyed.
On its company website, Altec describes itself as "a leading provider of products and services to the electric utility, telecommunications and contractor markets. We provide products and services in over 100 countries throughout the world."
Plaintiff Australia Harris claims that "In or around October 2008, Senator Jeff Sessions came to the facility where plaintiff was employed and talked to the employees about voting Republican. Plaintiff and other employees were informed they had to attend the rally with Senator Sessions. In addition, the owner of the company informed the employees they should vote Republican and gave the employees pre-marked ballots."
Harris claims that when he wore an Obama shirt after the presidential election, a white co-worker told him to "take that damn shirt off." He says the co-worker told him that the "O" on his shirt "was the perfect circle for a cross hair. I can reach you from 500 yards away," and added, "I'm not kidding."
Plaintiff Charles Nelson says Altec did not stop white employees from wearing "racially offensive" Confederate flag insignia on their clothing, but he says Altec "condoned and tolerated the racial harassment" and "has a habit and/or practice of discrimination against African Americans."
After complaining about the discrimination, Miracle Walters, Shantavia Brown, Derrick McDaniel and Nelson say they were all fired due to "downsizing," and some were not allowed to return to their offices to collect personal belongings.
Harris says he was not fired, but was given a more demanding job after his complaints.
The plaintiffs seek lost wages and punitive damages for racial discrimination, retaliation, hostile workplace, and emotional distress.
They are represented by Cynthia Forman Wilkinson of Birmingham.