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Matt McKenzie
10-17-2010, 11:17 AM
I keep hearing people refer to Glenn Beck as a Nazi and I continually hear about his "hate speech". I don't listen to him very often, but I do occasionally put on his radio show when I'm in the truck or I have at times stopped to watch portions of his TV show. Am I missing something? Can someone give me some examples of his "hate speech"? I can understand that he might be a paranoid loony, but I haven't heard him say anything hateful. Then again, I was out of the country for the better part of this year, so I may have missed something.

M&K's Retrievers
10-17-2010, 11:20 AM
I'm not a Beck fan but I don't get it either.

subroc
10-17-2010, 11:29 AM
Lefties need someone to hate. They choose to hate conservative talk show hosts. Espousing conservative policy or ideas, in the view of lefties, is considered hate speech.

What lefties are really against is free speech

YardleyLabs
10-17-2010, 01:06 PM
I think Glenn Beck has a lot more in common with Goebbels than with Hitler, but that s because I don't think he actually believes most of the nonsense that spews from his mouth. Looking at current politicians, I would put him on the same level as President Abedinejad of Iran. All three engage in the propaganda technique known as the Big Lie -- the more outrageous the better -- repeated incessantly to label and demonize their "enemy". For Goebbels, it was Jews. For Abedinejad, it is Israel and the West. For Beck it is "progressives". His blackboard and his Glenn Beck university approach are designed to give an appearance of logic to the totally illogical. His conspiracies invariably point first to the dreaded devils, the progrssives, and the n move to his target of the moment: Soros, the Tide Foundation, Muslims, the ACLU, etc. Unfortunately, his words have an impact. At one end, he can turn John Bircher kooks into saints and best sellers, while at the other he can and does inspire even crazier people to go on shooting sprees. The fundamental differences is that I don't believe Glenn Beck does this because he is crazy or because he even believes what he says. I believe he does it because it would be hard to make $30 million per year by doing anything honest..

luvmylabs23139
10-17-2010, 01:14 PM
Most of the people he targets deserve it. Liberals are destoying this country. at least someone points out their tangled web.

subroc
10-17-2010, 01:16 PM
...All three engage in the propaganda technique known as the Big Lie...

yeh, I know what you mean, it is like the big lie that man is the cause of global warming.

YardleyLabs
10-17-2010, 02:39 PM
Most of the people he targets deserve it. Liberals are destoying this country. at least someone points out their tangled web.
The minute you say that such tactics are OK because the targets deserves it, you have said that ethics don't matter. This coutry was actually founded on the principle that it was more important to do things properly (e.g. democratically, with due process, without violating individual rights, etc.) than it was to do what was "right". Another way of saying that, which we used to state with pride, is that the ends do not justify the means.


yeh, I know what you mean, it is like the big lie that man is the cause of global warming.
There is no equivalency at all. You may not like the science, but the science is there. It has been openly stated, openly argued, subjected to lots of scrutiny, and withstood it well. Scrutiny and scientific challenges should continue, but attacks based on the fact that one simply doesn't like the answer is the tactic of Luddites.

depittydawg
10-17-2010, 03:23 PM
I keep hearing people refer to Glenn Beck as a Nazi and I continually hear about his "hate speech". I don't listen to him very often, but I do occasionally put on his radio show when I'm in the truck or I have at times stopped to watch portions of his TV show. Am I missing something? Can someone give me some examples of his "hate speech"? I can understand that he might be a paranoid loony, but I haven't heard him say anything hateful. Then again, I was out of the country for the better part of this year, so I may have missed something.

Well here are a few examples:
"I'm thinking about killing Michael Moore, and I'm wondering if I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it. ... No, I think I could. I think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just be choking the life out. Is this wrong?"
"The Glenn Beck Program," May 17, 2005

"When I see a 9/11 victim family on television, or whatever, I'm just like, 'Oh shut up' I'm so sick of them because they're always complaining." –"The Glenn Beck Program," Sept. 9, 2005

"The only [Katrina victims] we're seeing on television are the scumbags." –"The Glenn Beck Program," Sept. 9, 2005

"I think there is a handful of people who hate America. Unfortunately for them, a lot of them are losing their homes in a forest fire today." –on why people who lost their homes in forest fires in California had it coming, "The Glenn Beck Program," Oct. 22, 2007

"O-L-I-G-A-R-H-Y." –misspelling "oligarchy" on his chalk board while claiming he had deciphered a secret code that he said was proof President Obama was trying to create an "Oligarhy," Aug. 27, 2009, Glenn Beck show on FOX News

On July 28, 2009, discussing President Obama, Glenn Beck said:
“This president has exposed himself, I think, as a guy, over and over and over again, who has a deep-seated hatred for white people, or white culture.“
Adding…
“I’m saying he has a problem. He has a, this guy is, I believe, a racist.“

On December 8, 2009, Glenn Beck said “I don’t hate women, they’re very convenient to have around [but they shouldn't vote].”

Glenn Beck called Senator Mary Landrieu a “high class prostitute.” Later that day, speaking about Sen. Landrieu, Beck added to his earlier remarks “so we know you’re hookin’, but you’re just not cheap.” [12/23/09]

esponding Gloria Steinem’s discussion of sexism in American politics, Glenn Beck said: “You self-centered, self-righteous, socialist, out-of-control, dangerous, man-hating bitch. Shut your mouth. We might have bought into this crap in the 1960s because too many people were doing LSD. We’re not on LSD anymore. You need to start making sense.” [5/3/08]

Glenn Beck saying “Ugly people, if you’re a guy, you can get past it. I don’t think you can as an ugly woman.” Adding, “you’ve got a double-cross, because if you’re an ugly woman, you’re probably a progressive as well.” [2/14/08]

Glenn Beck commenting on Hillary Clinton’s voice: “She’s the stereotypical bitch, you know what I mean?” [3/17/07]

In 2006, Glenn Beck raised the specter of interment camps for Muslims “who have sat on their hands” and not “lined up to shoot the bad Muslims in the head.”

paul young
10-18-2010, 11:27 AM
chiiirrrrrup,chiiirrrrup!

darn crickets sure are noisy!

road kill
10-18-2010, 11:31 AM
I think Glenn Beck has a lot more in common with Goebbels than with Hitler, but that s because I don't think he actually believes most of the nonsense that spews from his mouth. Looking at current politicians, I would put him on the same level as President Abedinejad of Iran. All three engage in the propaganda technique known as the Big Lie -- the more outrageous the better -- repeated incessantly to label and demonize their "enemy". For Goebbels, it was Jews. For Abedinejad, it is Israel and the West. For Beck it is "progressives". His blackboard and his Glenn Beck university approach are designed to give an appearance of logic to the totally illogical. His conspiracies invariably point first to the dreaded devils, the progrssives, and the n move to his target of the moment: Soros, the Tide Foundation, Muslims, the ACLU, etc. Unfortunately, his words have an impact. At one end, he can turn John Bircher kooks into saints and best sellers, while at the other he can and does inspire even crazier people to go on shooting sprees. The fundamental differences is that I don't believe Glenn Beck does this because he is crazy or because he even believes what he says. I believe he does it because it would be hard to make $30 million per year by doing anything honest..


Could you enlighten us and explain these parallels??:D

Or, are you just utilizing some "technique??"



RK

paul young
10-18-2010, 11:50 AM
i thought Deppity Dawg's technique was a lot more relevant to the topic.........

dnf777
10-18-2010, 11:52 AM
Could you enlighten us and explain these parallels??:D

Or, are you just utilizing some "technique??"



RK

Did you read the post, or just your own highlights? The post is self-explanatory. You may disagree, but not seeing the argument is just plain lack of reading skills.


"the sky is blue"

"yeah, but why don't you tell me what color it is"

"I said it was blue"

"I know, but you still haven't said what color it is"

"Here is a photograph showing a blue sky"

"All you do is bloviate and cut and paste photographs....what color is the sky?"



Its like the path of a fleeing rabbit. Totally random and illogical in an attempt to throw the pursuer off course. But maybe that's your debate strategy? :cool:

Franco
10-18-2010, 12:36 PM
Beck, Oberman, Hannity, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Maddow...

I ignore them all!

YardleyLabs
10-18-2010, 01:11 PM
Could you enlighten us and explain these parallels??:D

Or, are you just utilizing some "technique??"



RK
I thought my argument was pretty clear. If you would like a more detailed review of Beck's professorial antics in support of illogic, you could watch Jon Stewart's spoof from last March at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JnDY2Gv5YQ. Even funnier, though not specifically addressed at Beck, was a Fox News spoof by Stewart where he used Beckian illogic to "prove" that Fox News is itself terrorist control central in New York (see http://vodpod.com/watch/4269193-the-daily-show-extremist-makeover-homeland-edition).

Beyond that, you can take on almost any Beck episode and ask yourself whether his "logical" assessments actually take you anywhere logical, which is not the same as asking whether or not you agree with his conclusion. To evaluate his logic, insert different players and different conclusions to see if the argument remains logical. The rules for evaluating the credibility of factual assertions, and the rules for evaluating the logic of arguments do not depend on whether or not you agree with the results. To act as if they do is like making decisions and then saying proudly that you didn't need to be burdened with a lot of analysis because your gut told you what was right -- Oh, I forgot, we've already spent over eight years fighting a war that was started on that basis.

Matt McKenzie
10-18-2010, 06:48 PM
Jeff,
I noticed that you didn't provide any examples, so you really didn't answer the question. Deputydog did provide some examples. I read them but am not sure how to make the connection between those comments, distasteful as they may be, and inciting the masses to mayhem. It appears that in the last 5 years, he's discussed murdering Michael Moore, called several women bad names, made "insensitive" comments about Katrina and 9/11 victims, made a spelling error, and stated his opinion that President Obama is a racist.
Is this the anti-government hate-speech all the liberals are up in arms over?
I'm curious as to the source for these quotes and the context in which they were said, but it really doesn't matter. I was just curious and I think I got my answer. Thanks.

Buzz
10-19-2010, 11:20 AM
Jeff,
I noticed that you didn't provide any examples, so you really didn't answer the question. Deputydog did provide some examples. I read them but am not sure how to make the connection between those comments, distasteful as they may be, and inciting the masses to mayhem. It appears that in the last 5 years, he's discussed murdering Michael Moore, called several women bad names, made "insensitive" comments about Katrina and 9/11 victims, made a spelling error, and stated his opinion that President Obama is a racist.
Is this the anti-government hate-speech all the liberals are up in arms over?
I'm curious as to the source for these quotes and the context in which they were said, but it really doesn't matter. I was just curious and I think I got my answer. Thanks.

Maybe you could help us out by stating your definition of hate speech so we know if it coincides with generally accepted definitions.

Matt McKenzie
10-19-2010, 06:56 PM
Maybe you could help us out by stating your definition of hate speech so we know if it coincides with generally accepted definitions.

I'm not sure if there are any generally accepted definitions. I tend to think that "hate speech" is as meaningless a term as "hate crime". If I say I hate cabbage, I suppose that is hate speech. If I say I hate Muslim terrorists, I guess that must be, too. If I say I hate Muslims, it is the same thing. If I say I hate terrorism, it is the same thing. Or is it? Who decides what I can admit to hating? Is all hate bad? If I hate something but don't talk about it, is that OK? If I think a particular political figure is a very bad example of a human with poor character and questionable morals, can I say so? What if I use a bad word to do it? Is it hate speech?
As I said before, I don't think there is a "generally accepted" definition of hate speech. I think it is a meaningless phrase used by many people who have a political agenda to advance and is very similar to the "big lie" that Jeff referred to earlier. It is easy to blame someone for hate speech because it doesn't really mean anything, but the average American just accepts the term without thinking about it and makes the intended connection that anyone who uses "hate speech" must be a bad person.
For example, according to some, if you make the mistake of insinuating that some of the folks that were stranded by Hurricane Katrina had some level of responsibility for their predicament, you are either guilty of racism, hate speech, or both. I just don't buy that line of logic and like to take the time to really think about the meaning of the words people use. Sort of like we've come to accept that it's OK to refer to those who have made a lifetime of bad choices that have resulted in their own poverty, addiction, or whatever as "the less fortunate". As if those of us who have taken responsibility for our own lives are just lucky. We've been taught to refer to donating our money to charity as "giving back" as if everything we own was "given" to us and has nothing to do with our actions or choices, so we are simply giving our property back to the poor people to whom it rightly belongs. Our language has suffered from inattention. We don't really listen to what it is people are saying, so what is completely ridiculous if closely examined becomes "generally accepted". Hence you get terms like "hate speech".

roseberry
10-19-2010, 07:55 PM
matt,
there is too a thing called "hate speech". i blow it right through the end of my rich-n-tone!
john mc