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road kill
10-21-2010, 11:30 AM
PC run wild, one of the truly good guys done in by political correctness.
What a shame, your loss is our gain!!:D

I like Juan Williams, truthful, honest and truly fair.

http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/npr-fires-analyst-juan-williams-for-saying-muslims-make-him-nervous/19683232?icid=main%7Chtmlws-main-n%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk1%7C179132


RK

Cody Covey
10-21-2010, 12:02 PM
Fox better give him a job haha

david gibson
10-21-2010, 12:06 PM
huckaby is calling for congress to withdraw funding to npr......and they should

Roger Perry
10-21-2010, 01:01 PM
I did not know that NPR was a lefty network?

http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww304/kcrnko/Picture1-1.png Courtesy of Victoria Nygren

The NPR audience has a relatively balanced political outlook, with almost an equal number of people classifying themselves as liberal or conservative.

http://www.npr.org/internedition/sum09/blog/?p=1451

And we all know that Faux News is about as far right as you can get.

Buzz
10-21-2010, 01:32 PM
Fox better give him a job haha

Where have you been?;-)

http://www.foxnews.com/contributor/juan-williams/index.html


Juan Williams

Juan Williams joined FOX News in 1997 as a political contributor. He is a regular panelist on FOX Broadcasting's Sunday morning public affairs program, "FOX News Sunday." In addition, Williams anchors weekend daytime live coverage on the FOX News Channel.

Before coming to FOX, Williams spent 23 years at The Washington Post, where he served as an editorial writer, op-ed columnist and White House correspondent. From 2000-2001, Williams hosted National Public Radio's (NPR) national call-in show "Talk of the Nation." In that role, he traveled to cities across America for monthly radio town hall meetings before live audiences. Williams is currently a senior national correspondent for NPR.

The recipient of an Emmy Award for television documentary writing, Williams also won widespread critical acclaim for a series of documentaries including, "Politics:The New Black Power" and "A. Philip Randolph: For Jobs and Freedom." He is the author of the non-fiction bestseller, "Eyes on The Prize: America's Civil Rights Years, 1954-1965" and "Thurgood Marshall: American Revolutionary." Williams has also written numerous articles for national magazines including Fortune, The Atlantic Monthly, Ebony, GQ and The New Republic, in addition to appearing on numerous television programs including ABC's "Nightline," PBS' "Washington Week in Review" and "Oprah."

Williams is a graduate of Haverford College.

road kill
10-21-2010, 02:31 PM
I did not know that NPR was a lefty network?

http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww304/kcrnko/Picture1-1.png Courtesy of Victoria Nygren

The NPR audience has a relatively balanced political outlook, with almost an equal number of people classifying themselves as liberal or conservative.

http://www.npr.org/internedition/sum09/blog/?p=1451

And we all know that Faux News is about as far right as you can get.

Yep, that conservative stalwart George Soros is jumpin' in to help that middle of the road pillar NPR!!

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.soros.org/initiatives/usprograms/focus/transparency/news/npr-grant-20101018
Who is the "Open Society Foundation" you ask??

"The Open Society Foundations work to build vibrant and tolerant democracies whose governments are accountable to their citizens. To achieve this mission, the Foundations seek to shape public policies that assure greater fairness in political, legal, and economic systems and safeguard fundamental rights. On a local level, the Open Society Foundations implement a range of initiatives to advance justice, education, public health, and independent media. At the same time, we build alliances across borders and continents on issues such as corruption and freedom of information. The Foundations place a high priority on protecting and improving the lives of people in marginalized communities.

Investor and philanthropist George Soros established the Open Society Foundations, starting in 1984, to help countries make the transition from communism. Our activities have grown to encompass the United States and more than 60 countries in Europe, Asia, Africa, and Latin America. Each foundation relies on the expertise of boards composed of eminent citizens who determine individual agendas based on local priorities."




RP, stop, my side is splitting!!!
ROTFLMMFAO!!!!!!:p


RK

david gibson
10-21-2010, 02:39 PM
although i dont agree in his firing, what Juan said was pretty dumb. i have been an elite freq. flyer for 11 yrs straight, so i have logged a few hundred thousand miles, and i am not bothered at all by people in muslim garb. i am far more concerned with their refusal to use deodorant. i would think that anyone planning to bomb a plane would be dressed a bit more western so as to blend in. that, plus the law of averages and the number of mainstream muslims in our society just lends no justification for nervousness.

Roger Perry
10-21-2010, 02:47 PM
Yep, that conservative stalwart George Soros is jumpin' in to help that middle of the road pillar NPR!!

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.soros.org/initiatives/usprograms/focus/transparency/news/npr-grant-20101018
Who is the "Open Society Foundation" you ask??

"The Open Society Foundations work to build vibrant and tolerant democracies whose governments are accountable to their citizens. To achieve this mission, the Foundations seek to shape public policies that assure greater fairness in political, legal, and economic systems and safeguard fundamental rights. On a local level, the Open Society Foundations implement a range of initiatives to advance justice, education, public health, and independent media. At the same time, we build alliances across borders and continents on issues such as corruption and freedom of information. The Foundations place a high priority on protecting and improving the lives of people in marginalized communities.

Investor and philanthropist George Soros established the Open Society Foundations, starting in 1984, to help countries make the transition from communism. Our activities have grown to encompass the United States and more than 60 countries in Europe, Asia, Africa, and Latin America. Each foundation relies on the expertise of boards composed of eminent citizens who determine individual agendas based on local priorities."




RP, stop, my side is splitting!!!
ROTFLMMFAO!!!!!!:p


RK

So I am guessing that you believe that anything that is not far right is liberal:confused:

road kill
10-21-2010, 02:50 PM
So I am guessing that you believe that anything that is not far right is liberal:confused:

Not necessarily, but Soros is about as far to the left as 1 can get.
Hell, he is to the left of Yardley and dnf!!:shock:

RK

Franco
10-21-2010, 02:55 PM
I keep NPR on the radio in the kennel. My dogs like the variety of music; classical, jazz and down here Zydeco and Cajun music. Plus, they like the announcers because they speak so softly all the time.

Juan Williams got fired for speaking the truth and NPR is the most PC broadcast outfit in America. We live in a society where one can not speak the truth if it offends anyone.

Airports around the world are not installing full-body scanners because of Hindus.

NPR should be financially repremanded!

depittydawg
10-21-2010, 08:56 PM
PC run wild, one of the truly good guys done in by political correctness.
What a shame, your loss is our gain!!:D

I like Juan Williams, truthful, honest and truly fair.

http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/npr-fires-analyst-juan-williams-for-saying-muslims-make-him-nervous/19683232?icid=main%7Chtmlws-main-n%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk1%7C179132


RK

Williams has always been a class act. NPR has standards? That is a good thing. I may not agree with the firing. But standards in news organizations are hard to find in america anymore. Ironic that one of the most respected US journalists gets fired for what he said in an interview by one of the very worst examples of journalism America has ever coughed up.

Wrangler
10-21-2010, 09:15 PM
I never liked NPR, but respected them for having Juan Williams on staff. It's pretty ridiculous he gets fired for expressing how we all feel.

Cody Covey
10-21-2010, 09:20 PM
Standards as long as the person that is being held by those standards is frequently on Fox News. Check this out if you think NPR is just upholding its standards http://reason.com/blog/2010/10/21/what-wont-get-you-fired-from-n and there is also this...maybe Jesse Jackson had to be kept for a quota who knows http://blog.american.com/?p=21294 ....standards...

road kill
10-22-2010, 06:37 AM
Standards?

Does the Pres CEO of NPR have any??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tshSU5_hHIY

Pretty classy.
A total lack of professionalism and human decency.
She is a smug, condescending and patronizing elitest.


I notice our resident "middle of the road independents" (lefty progressives) have not weighed in.

When your wrong your wrong.

NPR/Schiller is WRONG!!:-x

RK

Ken Bora
10-22-2010, 08:40 AM
although i dont agree in his firing, what Juan said was pretty dumb. i have been an elite freq. flyer for 11 yrs straight, so i have logged a few hundred thousand miles, and i am not bothered at all by people in muslim garb. i am far more concerned with their refusal to use deodorant. i would think that anyone planning to bomb a plane would be dressed a bit more western so as to blend in. that, plus the law of averages and the number of mainstream muslims in our society just lends no justification for nervousness.
It may have been dumb, in your opinion. But I was just watching him on the curvy couch. And he pointed out that the spoken of feeling of fear did not overwhelm. But a true first glance thing that everybody does. As a frequent flier David, don’t you play “Lets spot the terrorist” in your mind as you board? It was just true, and how he felt. There are certain “Type of folk” that catch everyone’s eye for better or worse. :(


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subroc
10-23-2010, 07:33 AM
I rarely agree with Juan Williams. However, he isn’t a foaming at the mouth left wing extremist. He generally states his case, takes a position, or makes a point in an honest and straightforward manner. He can hold his own if the debate gets heated. He presents the left wing position clearly. He is the liberal yin to the conservative yang.

I do find it telling if not shocking that those that populate NPR are so intolerant. It appears that homogenization of thought and words are all that is allowed. Very “big brother” like. It has become a lie that the left and democrats are the party of inclusion. They are now the party that is of a single extremist mindset with little tolerance for any that deviate from their positions.

YardleyLabs
10-23-2010, 09:35 AM
I think that the public reaction to William's statements would have been very different if you substituted priests and nuns, or white southerners for muslims in his comments. Many that now support him would want him fired in that circumstance, although such statements would be no more or less prejudicial than what he actually said.

However, I think it was a mistake to terminate him based on his remark given his later comments in the same interview, where he used his own reaction as a basis for noting how important it is to avoid acting based on such prejudice. In that sense, what he said is similar to Shirley Sherrod's story about how she went from not doing all that she might have to help a white farmer, to understanding how color had nothing to do with the struggles being faced by poor farmers whether they are white or black.

For Williams, this has resulted in an immediate raise and increased visibility as Fox stepped in quickly with a lucrative new three-year contract. However, that doesn't excuse NPR's decision or change the fact that NPR will suffer from its bad judgment as people like Senator DeMint use this to bolster their desires for an elimination of funding for public radio as a whole, despite the fact that those local stations are not owned or operated by NPR and had nothing to do with the decision. NPR only receives about 1% of its funding from government.

For those that like to see this as proof of NPR's liberal bias, it may be worth noting that before this incident, NPR had already notified its staff that it would be a violation of NPR's journalistic code for them to participate in political activities and specifically banned them from attending Jon Stewart's "Rally to Restore Sanity" next week. (http://www.npr.org/blogs/ombudsman/2010/10/14/130573793/stewart-colbert)

M&K's Retrievers
10-23-2010, 09:42 AM
http://www.npr.org/blogs/ombudsman/2010/10/14/130573793/stewart-colbert[/URL])

That's 1% too much.

depittydawg
10-23-2010, 09:48 AM
I think that the public reaction to William's statements would have been very different if you substituted priests and nuns, or white southerners for muslims in his comments. Many that now support him would want him fired in that circumstance, although such statements would be no more or less prejudicial than what he actually said.

However, I think it was a mistake to terminate him based on his remark given his later comments in the same interview, where he used his own reaction as a basis for noting how important it is to avoid acting based on such prejudice. In that sense, what he said is similar to Shirley Sherrod's story about how she went from not doing all that she might have to help a white farmer, to understanding how color had nothing to do with the struggles being faced by poor farmers whether they are white or black.

For Williams, this has resulted in an immediate raise and increased visibility as Fox stepped in quickly with a lucrative new three-year contract. However, that doesn't excuse NPR's decision or change the fact that NPR will suffer from its bad judgment as people like Senator DeMint use this to bolster their desires for an elimination of funding for public radio as a whole, despite the fact that those local stations are not owned or operated by NPR and had nothing to do with the decision. NPR only receives about 1% of its funding from government.

For those that like to see this as proof of NPR's liberal bias, it may be worth noting that before this incident, NPR had already notified its staff that it would be a violation of NPR's journalistic code for them to participate in political activities and specifically banned them from attending Jon Stewart's "Rally to Restore Sanity" next week. (http://www.npr.org/blogs/ombudsman/2010/10/14/130573793/stewart-colbert)

What Williams said was out of line. For a perspective, what if O'Reily, or anybody else for that matter, had said, "You know I always get nervous when blacks come into the room" Do you think Williams would have taken offense to that? Do you think Fox would have fired him? I doubt it. But the public uproar would have been deafening. But because he's talking about Muslims is an acceptable statement?
Williams blew it. First of all, why does he have a 2 million dollar contract with Fox? His job was NPR. A little moonlighting? It's a free market. His boss no doubt decided he could get more for his buck elsewhere and fired the dude.
Whats worse is Williams response since he was canned. He didn't get to sit down and talk it over? Well, join the rest of the unemployed in America. No, you don't usually get to "talk about it man to man". Your fired. Here's your check, and your Cobra. End of story. And his claim he deserved better because he's been there 10 years. Again, welcome to the club. It's called capitalism. I doubt there are many in America today that haven't had the same experience, and in most cases, it was not for cause. As was Williams firing.

dnf777
10-23-2010, 12:28 PM
What I found odd was the NPR spokeswoman's comments. She said his concerns and fears were 'between him and his psychiatrist'.

Now, if they acknowledge his right to be concerned or afraid, but maintain it was unprofessional to publicly state them, then what was the little editorial about "him and his psychiatrist"??? Was that professional?

I suspect NPR is going to feel this one in the pocketbook.

subroc
10-23-2010, 01:57 PM
I think that the public reaction to William's statements would have been very different if you substituted priests and nuns, or white southerners for muslims in his comments...

Maybe, but the reality is we were attacked on 9/11 by muslim extremists. I don't believe we have been attacked in recent memories by nuns and priests. I expect the last time white southerners attacked the United States of America was during the civil war. I do believe since then that white southerners are a valuable part of our nation today.

dnf777
10-23-2010, 02:44 PM
Another angle on this may be, what was Juan's and NPR's discussions prior to the comments? From both his and NPR's jabs after the firing, I tend to think there has been some friction building for some time.

If his boss sat him down and told him to cool it on Fox, and he didn't...well, the boss has the right to can him. I think even righties will agree on that. We just don't know what all went into that decision. I still think it will end up hurting NPR much more than Williams!

M&K's Retrievers
10-23-2010, 03:43 PM
My guess is that it will cost NPR much more than the $2M Williams picked up from Fox.

depittydawg
10-23-2010, 03:59 PM
My guess is that it will cost NPR much more than the $2M Williams picked up from Fox.

Not likely. It will probably end in more revenues flowing in, as they just demonstrated that they hold journalists to the highest of standards. Many of us in America appreciate the non partisan presentation of news and current events available on NPR and Public Television. Whenever I want the actual what happened, where and when, with balanced analysis, I watch PBS News.
As far as government funding, I've heard anywhere from 1 - 7 percent of PBS funding comes from government sources. I think PBS should stop accepting government money entirely. That way, they won't be subject to the interference from Federal Authorities.

subroc
10-23-2010, 04:15 PM
Another angle on this may be, what was Juan's and NPR's discussions prior to the comments? From both his and NPR's jabs after the firing, I tend to think there has been some friction building for some time.

agree


If his boss sat him down and told him to cool it on Fox, and he didn't...well, the boss has the right to can him.

don't agree with this. His work with Fox should have nothing to do with NPR.



I still think it will end up hurting NPR much more than Williams!

agree

dnf777
10-23-2010, 05:22 PM
Subroc,
I think his actions on Fox ARE the concern of NPR, if they are attempting to project and maintain a semblence of neutral reporting, and his actions of Fox "tarnish" his image as it pertains to those goals.

Its not a perfect analogy, but teachers have been fired or suspended for off-campus behavior, such as lewd internet videos. Not saying its right or wrong, but it is generally accepted that generating a poor image of one's self can and does affect their employment in certain situations.

Speaking of teachers, here is an example of a model teacher:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0XLKcMoXRE

Gerry Clinchy
10-23-2010, 06:29 PM
Not a good analogy, Dave ... if he had been wearing a sweatshirt that used offensive language, maybe that would be close. But that was not the case here.

dnf777
10-23-2010, 06:31 PM
Not a good analogy, Dave ... if he had been wearing a sweatshirt that used offensive language, maybe that would be close. But that was not the case here.

That's true only if you find lewd videos offensive! :cool:

Ken Bora
10-23-2010, 08:58 PM
What Williams said was out of line. For a perspective, what if O'Reily, or anybody else for that matter, had said, "You know I always get nervous when blacks come into the room" Do you think Williams would have taken offense to that? Do you think Fox would have fired him? I doubt it. But the public uproar would have been deafening. But because he's talking about Muslims is an acceptable statement?
Williams blew it.............
NO,
I disagree!
All he did was tell the truth about how HE feels.
It is simply a primal guttural feeling.
Some things your mind and body does are out of your control.
It happens to him when he boards a plane and spots a person in traditional Islamic dress.
It happens to me when I board and a group of Victoria’s Secret models are flying to Miami.
There are some urges and physical responses you cannot control. All he did was speak the truth.




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dnf777
10-23-2010, 09:04 PM
NO,
I disagree!
All he did was tell the truth about how HE feels.
It is simply a primal guttural feeling.
Some things your mind and body does are out of your control.
It happens to him when he boards a plane and spots a person in traditional Islamic dress.
It happens to me when I board and a group of Victoria’s Secret models are flying to Miami.
There are some urges and physical responses you cannot control. All he did was speak the truth.




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But how did the girls feel? :eek:

depittydawg
10-23-2010, 09:10 PM
NO,
I disagree!
All he did was tell the truth about how HE feels.
It is simply a primal guttural feeling.
Some things your mind and body does are out of your control.
It happens to him when he boards a plane and spots a person in traditional Islamic dress.
It happens to me when I board and a group of Victoria’s Secret models are flying to Miami.
There are some urges and physical responses you cannot control. All he did was speak the truth.

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Primal guttural feelings are not the stuff Journalists are made of. NPR has standards. Williams violated them. He's fired. I applaud PBS for upholding the traditional standards of journalistic behavior. When you have your reactions to the Victoria Secret Models what do you do? You practice self control. If you don't there are consequences. Especially if your wife is flying with you.

YardleyLabs
10-23-2010, 09:10 PM
Maybe, but the reality is we were attacked on 9/11 by muslim extremists. I don't believe we have been attacked in recent memories by nuns and priests. I expect the last time white southerners attacked the United States of America was during the civil war. I do believe since then that white southerners are a valuable part of our nation today.
We were attacked by muslim extremists, but they were not dressed in any particular muslim garb, and you don't have to go back to the civil war to find a bunch of white southern men attacking a black man.

Reacting to people based on the fact that they appear to be Muslim is evidence of prejudice and the prejudice is unwarranted by the facts (we have, for example, been attacked by a fair number of white Christians, and only a microscopic number of either Christians or Muslims have been involved in terrorist attacks).

The saving grace, in terms of Juan Williams (but not O'Reilly) is that he was making that exact point. It is one thing to feel nervous as a matter of personal reaction. It is wrong to act on that prejudice in a manner that victimizes people in the absence of evidence that they are doing something wrong. I've never met a person who was prejudiced who did not believe the prejudice was justified.

M&K's Retrievers
10-23-2010, 10:13 PM
All the man did was tell the truth about how he feels. Should he have lied? He didn't try to persuade anyone to feel the same way. He reported how he feels and NPR decided he should be fired for telling the truth instead of letting their audience decide.

M&K's Retrievers
10-23-2010, 10:24 PM
Another angle on this may be, what was Juan's and NPR's discussions prior to the comments? From both his and NPR's jabs after the firing, I tend to think there has been some friction building for some time.

If his boss sat him down and told him to cool it on Fox, and he didn't...well, the boss has the right to can him. I think even righties will agree on that. We just don't know what all went into that decision. I still think it will end up hurting NPR much more than Williams!

If this were true, I think word would have gotten out before hand. And what about their other reporters who have made outlandish comments without consequences?

Looks to me that NPR shat in their mess kit and will pay a price while Williams will certainly profit. When you get right down to it, who cares? As the thread says, " Lefty's Eating Their Own".

YardleyLabs
10-24-2010, 07:23 AM
If this were true, I think word would have gotten out before hand. And what about their other reporters who have made outlandish comments without consequences?

Looks to me that NPR shat in their mess kit and will pay a price while Williams will certainly profit. When you get right down to it, who cares? As the thread says, " Lefty's Eating Their Own".
Examples or just talk?

Ken Bora
10-24-2010, 07:32 AM
Primal guttural feelings are not the stuff Journalists are made of. .....

Again,
I disagree.
It is exactly what the journalist needs.
Imagine if Herbert Morrison’s radio report of the
Hindenburg Disaster had been deadpan and unemotional?
“Oh the humanity!”:rolleyes:


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Ken Bora
10-24-2010, 07:35 AM
......When you have your reactions to the Victoria Secret Models what do you do? You practice self control. If you don't there are consequences.....


and that is the point Williams was making :cool:

code3retrievers
10-24-2010, 07:54 AM
We were attacked by muslim extremists, but they were not dressed in any particular muslim garb, and you don't have to go back to the civil war to find a bunch of white southern men attacking a black man.

Reacting to people based on the fact that they appear to be Muslim is evidence of prejudice and the prejudice is unwarranted by the facts (we have, for example, been attacked by a fair number of white Christians, and only a microscopic number of either Christians or Muslims have been involved in terrorist attacks).

The saving grace, in terms of Juan Williams (but not O'Reilly) is that he was making that exact point. It is one thing to feel nervous as a matter of personal reaction. It is wrong to act on that prejudice in a manner that victimizes people in the absence of evidence that they are doing something wrong. I've never met a person who was prejudiced who did not believe the prejudice was justified.

Another fine example of the left wing thought police. George Orwell would be proud!

M&K's Retrievers
10-24-2010, 07:55 AM
Examples or just talk?

Jeff, Google Krauthammer NPR Nina Totenburg. I'd do it for you but we are off to see the grand kids.:p

Clay Rogers
10-24-2010, 08:39 AM
What Williams said was out of line. For a perspective, what if O'Reily, or anybody else for that matter, had said, "You know I always get nervous when blacks come into the room" Do you think Williams would have taken offense to that? Do you think Fox would have fired him? I doubt it. But the public uproar would have been deafening. But because he's talking about Muslims is an acceptable statement?
Williams blew it. First of all, why does he have a 2 million dollar contract with Fox? His job was NPR. A little moonlighting? It's a free market. His boss no doubt decided he could get more for his buck elsewhere and fired the dude.
Whats worse is Williams response since he was canned. He didn't get to sit down and talk it over? Well, join the rest of the unemployed in America. No, you don't usually get to "talk about it man to man". Your fired. Here's your check, and your Cobra. End of story. And his claim he deserved better because he's been there 10 years. Again, welcome to the club. It's called capitalism. I doubt there are many in America today that haven't had the same experience, and in most cases, it was not for cause. As was Williams firing.



Actually, Jesse Jackson said once that when he hears footsteps behind him he stops and looks, and if its a white person he is relieved and if its a black person he maintains his guard. So, that blows that theory. And as far as yardleys comment about Priests, nuns and white southerners(rednecks I assume he was saying), don't remember them flying airplanes into the WTC and the pentagon on 11 Sept 2001, do you? No, the fact is Juan Williams spoke about his feelings, honestly and NPR didn't like that.

I don't just get nervous around muslims when I fly, but anytime I see them. And it doesn't matter what they are wearing. If this is insensitive too bad, but I don't trust any of them. I refuse to support any of their businesses and will continue to do so. They won't use my money to fund terrorist activities that may somehow hurt my family.

And depitty, as far as NPR having standards, how about what that woman said about Jesse Helms and his grandkid? Or was that Ok in your mind because he was a "redneck" congressman from NC?

Clay Rogers
10-24-2010, 08:42 AM
http://www.wtam.com/cc-common/whb/whitehousebrief.html?an=VIDEO-NPR-Reporter-Wanted-Jesse-Helms-to-Die-of-AIDS-Not-Fired

Here you go Jeff. I am sure you will find some way to dispute this.

Clay Rogers
10-24-2010, 09:24 AM
We were attacked by muslim extremists, but they were not dressed in any particular muslim garb, and you don't have to go back to the civil war to find a bunch of white southern men attacking a black man.

Reacting to people based on the fact that they appear to be Muslim is evidence of prejudice and the prejudice is unwarranted by the facts (we have, for example, been attacked by a fair number of white Christians, and only a microscopic number of either Christians or Muslims have been involved in terrorist attacks).

The saving grace, in terms of Juan Williams (but not O'Reilly) is that he was making that exact point. It is one thing to feel nervous as a matter of personal reaction. It is wrong to act on that prejudice in a manner that victimizes people in the absence of evidence that they are doing something wrong. I've never met a person who was prejudiced who did not believe the prejudice was justified.


You know Jeff, the arguement of being attacked by white christians is getting old. I know you are an atheist, and I don't judge you for that, but you seem to have a bone to pick with christians. The fact of the matter is that white christians aren't walking into open air markets and blowing themselves up. It's not white christians that are driving car bombs into public places and killing innocent people. It's not white christians that have said repeatedly that they want to kill all of us. Its muslims, doesn't matter to me if they call them extremists or not. And if that makes me prejudiced, so be it, and I don't care if I am justified in your or anyone elses eyes or not.

depittydawg
10-24-2010, 09:31 AM
Jeff
If you were on a flight filled with people who have a life sentence at a federal prison. Would you say to your self mmmm I wonder what he did and why does he keep staring at me.
Or would you be ho hum and just sit there enjoying the safety pamplet

Also would you be concerned that there were men carrying guns on board.


Absurdity puts light on the subject,,, and you can now see that one is an apple and the other is an orange.


Personalty I could care less if I'm sitting next to a terrorist or not. They to are just fighting for their cause,,,,,, you aren't racist are you:)

Pete

Prejudice against Muslims, or any group of people is wrong. How many Muslims are their in the World? How many are killers? How many Christians in the world are their? How many Timothy McVays? How many of those Christians blow up Clinics or show up to church shooting? How many Jim Jones'? Do you hate all Christians because some go nuts and kill people? Prejudice is wrong. It leads to knuckleheads losing control and killing or hurting innocent people. And when journalists, who have the power and responsibility of the microphone, blow it and promote prejudice, they need to be held accountable.
If PBS had not fired Williams, most of the world would never have known what he said. But to the small community of people who watch Bill ORielly, they got another confirmation and validation that their feeling of prejudice are warranted. PBS stood up and called foul. They did the right thing. Fox should take a lesson. If O'Reilly was held to the same standards, he would have been gone years ago.

luvmylabs23139
10-24-2010, 10:14 AM
Deppity,
The current threat to airlines will dictate what makes a person on edge. Right now when I fly I get nervous when I see someone who appears mideastern. That is no different than the fact that I got that same uneasy feeling flying thru Heathrow in London back in the days of the IRA bombings. Back then I was giving anyone with an Irish accent a doubletake. Was everyone with an Irish acceent a threat? Of course not. Did they demand a second look, YES. It is just a different time and a different threat.

YardleyLabs
10-24-2010, 10:16 AM
http://www.wtam.com/cc-common/whb/whitehousebrief.html?an=VIDEO-NPR-Reporter-Wanted-Jesse-Helms-to-Die-of-AIDS-Not-Fired

Here you go Jeff. I am sure you will find some way to dispute this.
15 years back to find a not very good example? How many minutes would you have to go back to find a better example with a Fox News personality (I won't call them reporters)?


Jeff
If you were on a flight filled with people who have a life sentence at a federal prison. Would you say to your self mmmm I wonder what he did and why does he keep staring at me.
Or would you be ho hum and just sit there enjoying the safety pamplet

Also would you be concerned that there were men carrying guns on board.


Absurdity puts light on the subject,,, and you can now see that one is an apple and the other is an orange.


Personalty I could care less if I'm sitting next to a terrorist or not. They to are just fighting for their cause,,,,,, you aren't racist are you:)

Pete
Pete,
There's a big difference between a "flight filled with people who have a life sentence at a federal prison" and a flight filled with ordinary travelers who may or may not be Muslim. I have lived with, gone to school with, traveled with, visited, and been related to Muslims for most of my life. Miraculously, as it would seem based on the comments on this forum, none has killed or threatened anyone.


You know Jeff, the arguement of being attacked by white christians is getting old. I know you are an atheist, and I don't judge you for that, but you seem to have a bone to pick with christians. The fact of the matter is that white christians aren't walking into open air markets and blowing themselves up. It's not white christians that are driving car bombs into public places and killing innocent people. It's not white christians that have said repeatedly that they want to kill all of us. Its muslims, doesn't matter to me if they call them extremists or not. And if that makes me prejudiced, so be it, and I don't care if I am justified in your or anyone elses eyes or not.
The odds are pretty good that if you are murdered or robbed in this country, it will be by a Christian for the simple reason that Christians outnumber non-Christians and are just as likely to be criminals as anyone else. We don't judge those people based on their religion. When a white Christian walks into a church and kills one or more people for political/religious reasons, we say they are crazy. We don't say they did it because they are Christian even though there are Christian leaders who appear to support the same crazy philosophies espoused by those killers. I think that it right. The Christian religion has nothing to do with the things that crazy people do while claiming to be Christians. And the Muslim religion has nothing to do with the crazy things people do while claiming to be Muslims.

sandyg
10-24-2010, 10:31 AM
Prejudice against Muslims, or any group of people is wrong. How many Muslims are their in the World? How many are killers? How many Christians in the world are their? How many Timothy McVays? How many of those Christians blow up Clinics or show up to church shooting? How many Jim Jones'? Do you hate all Christians because some go nuts and kill people? Prejudice is wrong. It leads to knuckleheads losing control and killing or hurting innocent people. And when journalists, who have the power and responsibility of the microphone, blow it and promote prejudice, they need to be held accountable.
If PBS had not fired Williams, most of the world would never have known what he said. But to the small community of people who watch Bill ORielly, they got another confirmation and validation that their feeling of prejudice are warranted. PBS stood up and called foul. They did the right thing. Fox should take a lesson. If O'Reilly was held to the same standards, he would have been gone years ago.

Christians don't kill people in the name of their religion; muslims do. Please don't tell me that you aren't prejudiced. You hate anything and everything conservative before you know all the facts! We're all prejudiced because we're all human.

prej·u·dice

  <a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/audio.html/lunaWAV/P07/P0737100" target="_blank"><img src="http://sp.dictionary.com/dictstatic/g/d/speaker.gif" border="0" alt="prejudice pronunciation" /></a> /ˈprɛdʒhttp://sp.dictionary.com/dictstatic/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.pngəhttp://sp.dictionary.com/dictstatic/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.pngdɪs/ http://sp.dictionary.com/dictstatic/g/d/dictionary_questionbutton_default.gif (http://dictionary.reference.com/help/luna/IPA_pron_key.html) Show Spelled [prej-uh-dis] http://sp.dictionary.com/dictstatic/g/d/dictionary_questionbutton_default.gif (http://dictionary.reference.com/help/luna/Spell_pron_key.html) Show IPA noun, verb, -diced, -dic·ing.
–noun 1. an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason.

2. any preconceived opinion or feeling, either favorable or unfavorable.

3. unreasonable feelings, opinions, or attitudes, esp. of a hostile nature, regarding a racial, religious, or national group.

4. such attitudes considered collectively: The war against prejudice is never-ending.

5. damage or injury; detriment: a law that operated to the prejudice of the majority.

luvmylabs23139
10-24-2010, 10:35 AM
Christians don't kill people in the name of their religion; muslims do. Please don't tell me that you aren't prejudiced. You hate anything and everything conservative before you know all the facts! We're all prejudiced because we're all human.


.

Certain branches have in recent times killed in the name of their religion. The IRA comes to mind.

depittydawg
10-24-2010, 10:36 AM
Christians don't kill people in the name of their religion; muslims do. Please don't tell me that you aren't prejudiced. You hate anything and everything conservative before you know all the facts! We're all prejudiced because we're all human.

prej·u·dice

  <a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/audio.html/lunaWAV/P07/P0737100" target="_blank"><img src="http://sp.dictionary.com/dictstatic/g/d/speaker.gif" border="0" alt="prejudice pronunciation" /></a> /ˈprɛdʒhttp://sp.dictionary.com/dictstatic/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.pngəhttp://sp.dictionary.com/dictstatic/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.pngdɪs/ http://sp.dictionary.com/dictstatic/g/d/dictionary_questionbutton_default.gif (http://dictionary.reference.com/help/luna/IPA_pron_key.html) Show Spelled [prej-uh-dis] http://sp.dictionary.com/dictstatic/g/d/dictionary_questionbutton_default.gif (http://dictionary.reference.com/help/luna/Spell_pron_key.html) Show IPA noun, verb, -diced, -dic·ing.
–noun 1. an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason.

2. any preconceived opinion or feeling, either favorable or unfavorable.

3. unreasonable feelings, opinions, or attitudes, esp. of a hostile nature, regarding a racial, religious, or national group.

4. such attitudes considered collectively: The war against prejudice is never-ending.

5. damage or injury; detriment: a law that operated to the prejudice of the majority.

I agree with you. And I've stated on this board that I, along with everyone else still breathing, harbors prejudice. But that isn't the point of this thread. The question is, should a journalist, who is entrusted with the power of the microphone, be allowed to air his prejudices for money? Sorry, I think the firing was justified. Look at all the sportscasters that have their careers ended because of prejudicial statements. Personally, I hold Journalists to a higher standard than Sports celebrities.

sandyg
10-24-2010, 10:38 AM
15 years back to find a not very good example? How many minutes would you have to go back to find a better example with a Fox News personality (I won't call them reporters)?


Pete,
There's a big difference between a "flight filled with people who have a life sentence at a federal prison" and a flight filled with ordinary travelers who may or may not be Muslim. I have lived with, gone to school with, traveled with, visited, and been related to Muslims for most of my life. Miraculously, as it would seem based on the comments on this forum, none has killed or threatened anyone.


The odds are pretty good that if you are murdered or robbed in this country, it will be by a Christian for the simple reason that Christians outnumber non-Christians and are just as likely to be criminals as anyone else. We don't judge those people based on their religion. When a white Christian walks into a church and kills one or more people for political/religious reasons, we say they are crazy. We don't say they did it because they are Christian even though there are Christian leaders who appear to support the same crazy philosophies espoused by those killers. I think that it right. The Christian religion has nothing to do with the things that crazy people do while claiming to be Christians. And the Muslim religion has nothing to do with the crazy things people do while claiming to be Muslims.

Are you kidding me? The Koran is filled with hate and torture, the Bible is NOT! Mohammad was a drug-using pedophile who lived by the sword. Please don't make a stupid statement like the above. You really don't know what you're talking about. All of the Eastern countries are governed by radical Imams, not the presidential figureheads that are on TV.

sandyg
10-24-2010, 10:59 AM
I agree with you. And I've stated on this board that I, along with everyone else still breathing, harbors prejudice. But that isn't the point of this thread. The question is, should a journalist, who is entrusted with the power of the microphone, be allowed to air his prejudices for money? Sorry, I think the firing was justified. Look at all the sportscasters that have their careers ended because of prejudicial statements. Personally, I hold Journalists to a higher standard than Sports celebrities.

He was fired because he's not supposed to air his opinions, only facts. On today's FOX Sunday, there were examples of on-air opinions given by Nina Totenberg and Cokie Roberts, yet they both are still employed by NPR.

YardleyLabs
10-24-2010, 10:59 AM
Are you kidding me? The Koran is filled with hate and torture, the Bible is NOT! Mohammad was a drug-using pedophile who lived by the sword. Please don't make a stupid statement like the above. You really don't know what you're talking about. All of the Eastern countries are governed by radical Imams, not the presidential figureheads that are on TV.
The blogosphere is filled with rants about the Koran as a hate and violence filled book. All that is lacking are facts to support the claims. The only context in which the Koran calls for violence against non-Muslims is in cases where there are attacks on Muslims and efforts to prevent Muslims from practicing their faith. The pages of "quotes" routinely cited leaves out that context. Beyond that, the Koran does not support violence and specifically precludes forced conversions. What it does contain are archaic crimes and punishments similar to those in the Bible (Leviticus).

The Koran also does something else. It explicitly notes that Islam is based on Judaism and Christianity, and demands that respect be given to practitioners of both. In practice, the history of Islam, like the history of Christianity, carries a lot of blood. Today, both religions have inordinate numbers of true believers who would welcome holy war. My reaction to those zealots, in the word of Mercutio, is "A plague on both your houses."

BTW, "all the Eastern countries" are NOT governed by "radical Imams." Your statement evidence an extraordinary level of ignorance.

sandyg
10-24-2010, 11:07 AM
Certain branches have in recent times killed in the name of their religion. The IRA comes to mind.

Contrary to common believe, the civil unrest in Ireland had nothing to do with religion. I found this explanation on a website...

The original conflict between the Catholics and Protestants in Ireland was not truly a matter of religion -- it was a matter of social class.
Put quite briefly, the majority of the population in Ireland, post 1000 A. D., was Catholic. They never underwent the church reform that England did in the 1500s. Thus, by the 1600s, England = Anglican (Protestant), and Ireland = Catholic.
When England began to establish plantations in Ireland and establish themselves as the ruling class, they often did it in a relatively unpleasant and domineering fashion, making themselves unpopular with their new subjects in the manner of America and India.
Hostility arouse between Catholics and Protestants in this way not because the religions themselves bore marked differences, but because these denominations were attached to two very different classes. Intermarriages were frowned upon, not for spiritual reasons, but because the Protestant was marrying below their class.
This hostility between the denominations continued into the present for many of the same reasons. Protestantism represents the continued presence of England in Northern Irish affairs, while Catholicism bears the stigma of being the religion of the poor, the rebels, and the socialists intent on a free Ireland.

Clay Rogers
10-24-2010, 11:26 AM
15 years back to find a not very good example? How many minutes would you have to go back to find a better example with a Fox News personality (I won't call them reporters)?


Pete,
There's a big difference between a "flight filled with people who have a life sentence at a federal prison" and a flight filled with ordinary travelers who may or may not be Muslim. I have lived with, gone to school with, traveled with, visited, and been related to Muslims for most of my life. Miraculously, as it would seem based on the comments on this forum, none has killed or threatened anyone.


The odds are pretty good that if you are murdered or robbed in this country, it will be by a Christian for the simple reason that Christians outnumber non-Christians and are just as likely to be criminals as anyone else. We don't judge those people based on their religion. When a white Christian walks into a church and kills one or more people for political/religious reasons, we say they are crazy. We don't say they did it because they are Christian even though there are Christian leaders who appear to support the same crazy philosophies espoused by those killers. I think that it right. The Christian religion has nothing to do with the things that crazy people do while claiming to be Christians. And the Muslim religion has nothing to do with the crazy things people do while claiming to be Muslims.



The religion has everything to do with it. What was that Major saying when he was shooting those troops, what does every suicide bomber say just before blowing his stupid a$$ up? That same phrase that those people that beheaded that reporter was saying as they were beheading him. They were giving praise to allah. That is the reason they do the things they do. Plain and simple, no arguing that, but I know you will.

And it doesn't matter that it was 15 years ago, actually that makes my point even more. How would you like it if I said I hope your grandkids get aids? Don't you think that crosses a line that a reporter shouldn't cross? Maybe she was just expressing her true feelings, huh?

dnf777
10-24-2010, 11:35 AM
The religion has everything to do with it. What was that Major saying when he was shooting those troops, what does every suicide bomber say just before blowing his stupid a$$ up? That same phrase that those people that beheaded that reporter was saying as they were beheading him. They were giving praise to allah. That is the reason they do the things they do. Plain and simple, no arguing that, but I know you will.


I'm not sure that proves anything in regards to whether they acted in true religious form or not? I'm not arguing your point, but OF COURSE they will claim their dastardly deeds have been given god's blessings. Every fanatic in the world has some justification. Using god's will as justification for committing ungodly acts is a human pastime that knows no religious bounds. (not sure I recall Buddists blowing anything up, but I'm sure they probably did sometime)

They will SAY it in the name of their god, but the true test is whether the majority of that religion would agree or disagree. That's why we don't say clinic bombers act out of Christian values, but rather call them crazy. Why is there so much resistance to apply this same standard to other religions and their respective nut jobs?

sandyg
10-24-2010, 11:37 AM
The blogosphere is filled with rants about the Koran as a hate and violence filled book. All that is lacking are facts to support the claims. The only context in which the Koran calls for violence against non-Muslims is in cases where there are attacks on Muslims and efforts to prevent Muslims from practicing their faith. The pages of "quotes" routinely cited leaves out that context. Beyond that, the Koran does not support violence and specifically precludes forced conversions. What it does contain are archaic crimes and punishments similar to those in the Bible (Leviticus).

The Koran also does something else. It explicitly notes that Islam is based on Judaism and Christianity, and demands that respect be given to practitioners of both. In practice, the history of Islam, like the history of Christianity, carries a lot of blood. Today, both religions have inordinate numbers of true believers who would welcome holy war. My reaction to those zealots, in the word of Mercutio, is "A plague on both your houses."

BTW, "all the Eastern countries" are NOT governed by "radical Imams." Your statement evidence an extraordinary level of ignorance.

You know not what you're talking about. 95% of the wars going on in the world today are being fought by muslims. Sunnis and Shites, who worship the same god, are killing each other. Christians aren't welcome in muslim countries and take their life in their own hands. Can the same be said for muslims in Christian nations? There's no Christian who would welcome a holy war.

Now get off my internet, you big dope!!!

luvmylabs23139
10-24-2010, 12:05 PM
Contrary to common believe, the civil unrest in Ireland had nothing to do with religion. I found this explanation on a website...

The original conflict between the Catholics and Protestants in Ireland was not truly a matter of religion -- it was a matter of social class.
Put quite briefly, the majority of the population in Ireland, post 1000 A. D., was Catholic. They never underwent the church reform that England did in the 1500s. Thus, by the 1600s, England = Anglican (Protestant), and Ireland = Catholic.
When England began to establish plantations in Ireland and establish themselves as the ruling class, they often did it in a relatively unpleasant and domineering fashion, making themselves unpopular with their new subjects in the manner of America and India.
Hostility arouse between Catholics and Protestants in this way not because the religions themselves bore marked differences, but because these denominations were attached to two very different classes. Intermarriages were frowned upon, not for spiritual reasons, but because the Protestant was marrying below their class.
This hostility between the denominations continued into the present for many of the same reasons. Protestantism represents the continued presence of England in Northern Irish affairs, while Catholicism bears the stigma of being the religion of the poor, the rebels, and the socialists intent on a free Ireland.
Let me ask you a serious question. Do you personally know anyone who fled Ireland in the dead of night because of their religion? I do and they live in Canada now. They were catholic and had to get out of northern Ireland in the dead of night.
My cousin lives in Southern Ireland. She has to hide the fact that she is not Catholic. She is a registered pharmasist. She's a professional who has to hide her religion. Nothing has changed on either side.

YardleyLabs
10-24-2010, 12:07 PM
You know not what you're talking about. 95% of the wars going on in the world today are being fought by muslims. Sunnis and Shites, who worship the same god, are killing each other. Christians aren't welcome in muslim countries and take their life in their own hands. Can the same be said for muslims in Christian nations? There's no Christian who would welcome a holy war.

Now get off my internet, you big dope!!!
"95% of the wars going on in the world today are being fought by muslims." - I'd love to see the derivation of that statistic. Could you say the same about Christians and Jews?

"Christians aren't welcome in muslim countries and take their life in their own hands." - There are certainly some countries where westerners in general are not very welcome. You won't find me walking around in Somalia or Iran, for example. I have visited Lebanon, Syria, Algeria, and Turkey, and been made to feel very welcome. In different parts of Italy, I have been both praised and cursed for being American.

"Can the same be said for muslims in Christian nations?" The French just made it illegal for Muslim women to cover their faces. In the Netherlands and Germany, overtly anti-Islamic political parties are gaining grounds and holding rallies reminiscent of those previously held to celebrate their "love" of Jews (In fact, some of the same groups are involved now that were involved then.). In this country it is becoming increasingly acceptable to voice anti-Islamic sentiments and prejudice, and even to make ridiculous statements such as "Islam is not a religion, it is an ideology."

"There's no Christian who would welcome a holy war. " - Tell that that to Rick Santorum (number three Republican in the Senate until his defeat in 2006, and now trying for a comeback) who makes his rounds of the country denouncing the Bush administration for having misled the people by saying we were involved in a war of terror when our real war is and must be with Islam. Tell it to American Spectator columnist Monte Kuligowski. Tell it to Bill O'Reilly. The airwaves and blogosphere are full of those who can only be described as at war with Islam.

sandyg
10-24-2010, 12:37 PM
"95% of the wars going on in the world today are being fought by muslims." - I'd love to see the derivation of that statistic. Could you say the same about Christians and Jews?

"Christians aren't welcome in muslim countries and take their life in their own hands." - There are certainly some countries where westerners in general are not very welcome. You won't find me walking around in Somalia or Iran, for example. I have visited Lebanon, Syria, Algeria, and Turkey, and been made to feel very welcome. In different parts of Italy, I have been both praised and cursed for being American.

"Can the same be said for muslims in Christian nations?" The French just made it illegal for Muslim women to cover their faces. In the Netherlands and Germany, overtly anti-Islamic political parties are gaining grounds and holding rallies reminiscent of those previously held to celebrate their "love" of Jews (In fact, some of the same groups are involved now that were involved then.). In this country it is becoming increasingly acceptable to voice anti-Islamic sentiments and prejudice, and even to make ridiculous statements such as "Islam is not a religion, it is an ideology."

"There's no Christian who would welcome a holy war. " - Tell that that to Rick Santorum (number three Republican in the Senate until his defeat in 2006, and now trying for a comeback) who makes his rounds of the country denouncing the Bush administration for having misled the people by saying we were involved in a war of terror when our real war is and must be with Islam. Tell it to American Spectator columnist Monte Kuligowski. Tell it to Bill O'Reilly. The airwaves and blogosphere are full of those who can only be described as at war with Islam.

Hey genius, did I say "westerner"? No, I said Christian, which you aren't (two pages back it was revealed that you are an atheist).

You can't even stay on topic. And to say Bill O'reilly is at war with Islam is like saying I'm at war with you!

I've had enough of you and the other nitwit, dnf666. I'm putting you both on ignore so I don't have to look at your ridiculous posts. Let others on this forum put up with you, I've got better things to do!

dnf777
10-24-2010, 01:33 PM
I've had enough of you and the other nitwit, dnf666. I'm putting you both on ignore so I don't have to look at your ridiculous posts. Let others on this forum put up with you, I've got better things to do!

I think this means his mommy told him its time to do his chores! :D:D

In any case, Thank God! (or whoever you choose to thank)

Jeff-- You're an atheist??? Wow, that's news! I guess you just let that slip out two pages ago! :D:D

nitwit regards....

YardleyLabs
10-24-2010, 01:45 PM
Hey genius, did I say "westerner"? No, I said Christian, which you aren't (two pages back it was revealed that you are an atheist).

You can't even stay on topic. And to say Bill O'reilly is at war with Islam is like saying I'm at war with you!

I've had enough of you and the other nitwit, dnf666. I'm putting you both on ignore so I don't have to look at your ridiculous posts. Let others on this forum put up with you, I've got better things to do!
Christians normally assume I am one (maybe because i go to church one regular basis when it doesn't conflict with dog events), and non-Christians do as well. No one has ever asked. BTW, if you had been reading POTUS at any time, you would have known I was an atheist rather than only having it "revealed" two pages ago. It is not something I have ever felt the need to conceal, but have actually never really discussed publicly but for here and in church.

"I'm putting you both on ignore" Great. You won't feel compelled to respog so frequently with your own inane comments and grandiose claims of Internet ownership.:rolleyes:

Buzz
10-24-2010, 02:22 PM
Jeff-- You're an atheist??? Wow, that's news! I guess you just let that slip out two pages ago! :D:D

nitwit regards....


Sheesh, some people just can't keep a secret...

depittydawg
10-24-2010, 02:22 PM
He was fired because he's not supposed to air his opinions, only facts. On today's FOX Sunday, there were examples of on-air opinions given by Nina Totenberg and Cokie Roberts, yet they both are still employed by NPR.

Did they make racist remarks? If they do, then they sill no doubt be held to the same standards. My guess is that there was a series of disciplinary actions, counseling etc with Williams prior to their firing him. He flirted with the devil and got burned. He got his two million. Probably make another fortune because of getting fired now too.

Clay Rogers
10-24-2010, 03:53 PM
Christians normally assume I am one (maybe because i go to church one regular basis when it doesn't conflict with dog events), and non-Christians do as well. No one has ever asked. BTW, if you had been reading POTUS at any time, you would have known I was an atheist rather than only having it "revealed" two pages ago. It is not something I have ever felt the need to conceal, but have actually never really discussed publicly but for here and in church.

"I'm putting you both on ignore" Great. You won't feel compelled to respog so frequently with your own inane comments and grandiose claims of Internet ownership.:rolleyes:


Jeff, I believe in God and heaven and hell, but I don't think you can call me a christian. I haven't been to chruch since I got married and that was 18 years ago this April(that is, if the wife don't mind). I am not right with the lord and therefore don't call myself a christian.

And I believe I am the one that called you an atheist, and if you aren't I am sorry. I just assumed(you know what happens when we do that) that you were by the way you communicate here, and for that I am sorry. I am sorry that I got you attacked by Sandyg. I will probably have to get off their internet now.:(

dnf777
10-24-2010, 04:47 PM
I am not right with the lord and therefore don't call myself a christian.

(

I'll bet you're more right with the Lord than you think. And a LOT more right with him than those who claim to be!

YardleyLabs
10-24-2010, 09:32 PM
Jeff, I believe in God and heaven and hell, but I don't think you can call me a christian. I haven't been to chruch since I got married and that was 18 years ago this April(that is, if the wife don't mind). I am not right with the lord and therefore don't call myself a christian.

And I believe I am the one that called you an atheist, and if you aren't I am sorry. I just assumed(you know what happens when we do that) that you were by the way you communicate here, and for that I am sorry. I am sorry that I got you attacked by Sandyg. I will probably have to get off their internet now.:(
I took no offense at anything you said, and I am an atheist. I am NOT anti-religion and, from a purely personal perspective, do not believe the existence or non-existence of a deity is a very important concern in my life. I consider that to be a matter of faith and my non-belief is no more defensible than someone else's belief.

Sandyg was trying to make an issue concerning the safety of Christians traveling in Muslim countries and rejected my own experience since I am not a Christian. The fact is that if an American is traveling in a Muslim country they will assume you are Christian unless you do something to label yourself as non-Christian. When I was a kid, you had to declare your religion before entering many of the Muslim countries and you could not enter if your passport contained a visa stamp from Israel or your religion was listed as Jewish. When my school organized trips to Egypt in the mid-60's, they negotiated a special arrangement exempting our students from both restrictions. Today those restrictions have been eliminated.

JDogger
10-24-2010, 10:50 PM
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Hey genius, did I say "westerner"? No, I said Christian, which you aren't (two pages back it was revealed that you are an atheist).

You can't even stay on topic. And to say Bill O'reilly is at war with Islam is like saying I'm at war with you!

I've had enough of you and the other nitwit, dnf666. I'm putting you both on ignore so I don't have to look at your ridiculous posts. Let others on this forum put up with you, I've got better things to do!

Please, please, sandyq. Put me on your ignore list too. I might just quote Dave or Jeff, and then you might be forced to view something you disagree with.

Bummer... dude.

You do realize, don't you, that this a political forum, where differing views and perspectives are discussed and debated?

Utilizing the 'ignore' button kinda negates that doesn't it?

If you only wanna hear what you agree with, wathcha doin' here?

While this forum might be predominately conservative, it does not make all duck-hunters and dog-trainers so as well.

However, the ignore fuction might serve you well,...since you seem to be tempted towards personal attacks.

Good hunting, training, trialing and HTing to you regards, JD

BTW staying OT is not something anyone does here very well....

M&K's Retrievers
10-24-2010, 11:01 PM
Hey genius, did I say "westerner"? No, I said Christian, which you aren't (two pages back it was revealed that you are an atheist).

You can't even stay on topic. And to say Bill O'reilly is at war with Islam is like saying I'm at war with you!

I've had enough of you and the other nitwit, dnf666. I'm putting you both on ignore so I don't have to look at your ridiculous posts. Let others on this forum put up with you, I've got better things to do!

Man, I don't think you have been around long enough to put anyone on ignore. Stick around. It gets better.

JDogger
10-24-2010, 11:39 PM
Man, I don't think you have been around long enough to put anyone on ignore. Stick around. It gets better.

Got yer broom out, eh? JD

M&K's Retrievers
10-25-2010, 12:01 AM
Nothing else to do.

Bayou Magic
10-25-2010, 06:25 AM
Am I alone in my curiosity of what dipdawg is taking? Must be some good stuff. Trips in la la land without leaving the keyboard!

And btw, my right leaning Roux dawg won the Sooner Am yesterday!

fp

YardleyLabs
10-25-2010, 06:35 AM
Am I alone in my curiosity of what dipdawg is taking? Must be some good stuff. Trips in la la land without leaving the keyboard!

And btw, my right leaning Roux dawg won the Sooner Am yesterday!

fp
Congratulations, Frank. Are you sure he never turned to the left on a whistle stop? Remember, leftist tendencies can sneak up in the smallest of ways.;-)

Bayou Magic
10-25-2010, 06:49 AM
Congratulations, Frank. Are you sure he never turned to the left on a whistle stop? Remember, leftist tendencies can sneak up in the smallest of ways.;-)

Thanks Jeff! I turn left more than he does, yet he keeps delivering birds to me anyway. Does that make him a tolerant right wing extremist?

fp

Franco
10-25-2010, 06:53 AM
Am I alone in my curiosity of what dipdawg is taking? Must be some good stuff. Trips in la la land without leaving the keyboard!

And btw, my right leaning Roux dawg won the Sooner Am yesterday!
fp

Congrats Frank and Roux!

road kill
10-25-2010, 06:56 AM
Am I alone in my curiosity of what dipdawg is taking? Must be some good stuff. Trips in la la land without leaving the keyboard!

And btw, my right leaning Roux dawg won the Sooner Am yesterday!

fp

Nice job!!!

You too were to busy this weekend to post!!


RK

M&K's Retrievers
10-25-2010, 09:30 PM
Am I alone in my curiosity of what dipdawg is taking? Must be some good stuff. Trips in la la land without leaving the keyboard!



fp

No, your not. Most of us are wondering the same thing.

depittydawg
10-25-2010, 10:44 PM
No, your not. Most of us are wondering the same thing.

Since you emailed me and asked me to stop insulting you, you have insulted me completely unsolicited 3 times. When are you going to grow up dude?

M&K's Retrievers
10-25-2010, 11:57 PM
Since you emailed me and asked me to stop insulting you, you have insulted me completely unsolicited 3 times. When are you going to grow up dude?

WTF are you talking about? I never asked you to do anything so stop lying. What I did say to you was that it was bush league for you to try to get Chris to ban me from RTF. I saw no reason to make that public until now.

If I did insult you perhaps you will notice how easily it comes.

david gibson
10-26-2010, 08:14 AM
WTF are you talking about? I never asked you to do anything so stop lying. What I did say to you was that it was bush league for you to try to get Chris to ban me from RTF. I saw no reason to make that public until now.

If I did insult you perhaps you will notice how easily it comes.

oh really????? well, now we know who is behind these feeble attempts. the fact that no action was taken and MK is still here speaks volumes.

and "No, your not. Most of us are wondering the same thing." is hardly an insult! perhaps dippity needs to enroll in the Gibson-DNF school of insults so he can learn what real trash talking is about... ;-)

Ken Bora
10-26-2010, 08:39 AM
perhaps dippity needs to enroll in the Gibson-DNF school of insults so he can learn what real trash talking is about... ;-)

DON'T DO IT!!
or another Mesocricetus auratus
will die ;-):cool:

ducknwork
10-26-2010, 10:54 AM
DON'T DO IT!!
or another Mesocricetus auratus
will die ;-):cool:

I had to google that...Clicked the wikipedia link...Still didn't get it for a minute or two...But when I did--I sprayed my computer with my drink.:D:razz: