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YardleyLabs
11-05-2010, 06:57 PM
The polls conducted during the mid-term elections showed some interesting results about the pollsters themselves. In particular, Rasmussen, the most prolific of the pollsters fared the worst. Of the ten top polling firms, Rasmussen was not only the least accurate in its projections during the last three weeks of the campaign, it was also the second most biased in its assessments, most of which were done under contract with Fox. Most accurate and least biased were the Qnnipiac polls.

http://www.538host.com/pollacc1.png


http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/11/04/rasmussen-polls-were-biased-and-inaccurate-quinnipiac-surveyusa-performed-strongly/#more-3323
Unfortunately, it seems that the mix of a low cost approach to polling plus a strong political bias by the owner have produced a poor mix if your interest is accurate results. The linked story is very interesting and provides some good insight.

subroc
11-05-2010, 07:37 PM
The only poll that matters is the election,

I never really understood exit polling. The results will tell what happened.

BTW, if your into polling, the rolling average from real clear gives a pretty good picture.

david gibson
11-05-2010, 09:33 PM
whooooop teee doo dah de. in the end they were all accurate, they predicted the demise of The Apolgist's agenda. even though Rasmussen was the least accurate, i'd call that margin of error insignificant because in the end it was accurate. how long are you going to dissect the voice of america to try to make sense of it? the sense is this - The Apologist and his agenda have been rejected. the masses that followed him blindly in 2008 abandoned him in 2010, except for a few rainbow visionaries.....

life without Acorn is tough baby! LOL

YardleyLabs
11-05-2010, 10:12 PM
whooooop teee doo dah de. in the end they were all accurate, they predicted the demise of The Apolgist's agenda. even though Rasmussen was the least accurate, i'd call that margin of error insignificant because in the end it was accurate. how long are you going to dissect the voice of america to try to make sense of it? the sense is this - The Apologist and his agenda have been rejected. the masses that followed him blindly in 2008 abandoned him in 2010, except for a few rainbow visionaries.....

life without Acorn is tough baby! LOL
There is no question that Republicans made major gains in the House and minor gains in the Senate. With their major gains in the House, the Republicans may have their largest house majority since the 1946 election. However, that simply tells you how poorly Republicans have done over time. If the Democrats ended up with 245 seats (we can still only guess the size of the final Republican majority since eight seats are undecided), it would rate as the Democrats 17th biggest win since 1946. :D:D The voice of America speaks in many tongues with many different messages. As it stands today, it is pretty evenly divided between D's and R's but, on the whole, the electorate thinks both parties are filled with crooks.

duckheads
11-05-2010, 10:51 PM
There is no question that Republicans made major gains in the House and minor gains in the Senate. With their major gains in the House, the Republicans may have their largest house majority since the 1946 election. However, that simply tells you how poorly Republicans have done over time. If the Democrats ended up with 245 seats (we can still only guess the size of the final Republican majority since eight seats are undecided), it would rate as the Democrats 17th biggest win since 1946. :D:D The voice of America speaks in many tongues with many different messages. As it stands today, it is pretty evenly divided between D's and R's but, on the whole, the electorate thinks both parties are filled with crooks.

and what something like 600 plus state legislative seats across the country. and the Democrats picked up how many? pretty clear picture to most people.

depittydawg
11-05-2010, 11:11 PM
and what something like 600 plus state legislative seats across the country. and the Democrats picked up how many? pretty clear picture to most people.

Dems have a spineless donothing in the White House and have a very slim majority in the senate. (nobody controls the senate). Repubs own the house and the Supreme Court and the media. Advantage Republicans.

M&K's Retrievers
11-05-2010, 11:40 PM
Dems have a spineless donothing in the White House and have a very slim majority in the senate. (nobody controls the senate). Repubs own the house and the Supreme Court and the media. Advantage Republicans.

Don't you know it.:rolleyes:

subroc
11-06-2010, 03:26 AM
...and minor gains in the Senate...

6 senate seats is considered minor gains?

YardleyLabs
11-06-2010, 06:27 AM
6 senate seats is considered minor gains?
The unusual part was the brief period (only a few of months actually) when the Dems had 60 (actually 58+2). When the current Congress took office in 2009, Dems had 57 seats, plus two independents caucusing with Dems. Franken's seating was delayed for most of the first year by the Minnesota recounts, and Kennedy died a few months later, with only a few more months before the Rep's took over that seat. The brief period with 60 seats hadn't happened in 30 years. "Normal" majorities are 51-55 in the Senate. In the House, "normal" majorities are about 245, which is about where the Republicans may end up when all the ballots are counted. Reps lost 8 Senate seats in 1988, Dems lost 9 in 1994, Reps lost 5 in 2000, Dems lost 4 in 2004, Reps lost 6 in 2006 and another 4 in 2008. Based on that, a Democratic loss of 5-6 seats in 2010 is not earth shattering and the election results as a whole are no more of a massive shift than the elections of 1986, 1994, 2006, or 2008.

dnf777
11-06-2010, 07:44 AM
Dems have a spineless donothing in the White House and have a very slim majority in the senate. (nobody controls the senate). Repubs own the house and the Supreme Court and the media. Advantage Republicans.

Yes, so I expect EVERY American who wants to work will have a job by New Years, the deficit will be erased, the debt will begin to decline, abortions will be at an all time low, as will crime, welfare, foodstamps, and the trade deficit. So far, I've been disappointed with the Speaker-elect, who has done NOTHING to effect the above changes. (except blow snot bubbles in public)

Ken Bora
11-06-2010, 08:01 AM
There is no question that Republicans made major gains in the House and minor gains in the Senate. With their major gains in the House, the Republicans may have their largest house majority since the 1946 election.....


Sadly, I am forced to think of the yappy dog chasing the car down the street.
O.K., you caught the car. Now are you just going to pee on a tire, or are you
Able to drive it out of the ditch?
I am hoping the yappy dog can drive ‘cause I’m stuck in the back seat here.:rolleyes:




.

Steve Hester
11-07-2010, 08:05 AM
[quote=dnf777;700902]Yes, so I expect EVERY American who wants to work will have a job by New Years, the deficit will be erased, the debt will begin to decline, abortions will be at an all time low, as will crime, welfare, foodstamps, and the trade deficit.

Sounds like exactly what Dems thought would happen When Osama was elected. :rolleyes:

M&K's Retrievers
11-07-2010, 08:45 AM
Yes, so I expect EVERY American who wants to work will have a job by New Years, the deficit will be erased, the debt will begin to decline, abortions will be at an all time low, as will crime, welfare, foodstamps, and the trade deficit. So far, I've been disappointed with the Speaker-elect, who has done NOTHING to effect the above changes. (except blow snot bubbles in public)

Are you sure your not DS in disguise? :rolleyes:

depittydawg
11-07-2010, 09:18 AM
Sadly, I am forced to think of the yappy dog chasing the car down the street.
O.K., you caught the car. Now are you just going to pee on a tire, or are you
Able to drive it out of the ditch?
I am hoping the yappy dog can drive ‘cause I’m stuck in the back seat here.:rolleyes:




.

Yappy Dog- a perfect description of the Republican Party for the last 2 years. Only this dog weighs 150 lbs and bites!

depittydawg
11-07-2010, 09:21 AM
Yes, so I expect EVERY American who wants to work will have a job by New Years, the deficit will be erased, the debt will begin to decline, abortions will be at an all time low, as will crime, welfare, foodstamps, and the trade deficit. So far, I've been disappointed with the Speaker-elect, who has done NOTHING to effect the above changes. (except blow snot bubbles in public)

No doubt. Isn't that what happened last time they won? Aren't they touting the same objectives?

BrianW
11-07-2010, 09:53 AM
Yes, so I expect EVERY American who wants to work will have a job by New Years,:confused: the deficit will be erased, the debt will begin to decline, abortions will be at an all time low, as will crime, welfare, foodstamps, and the trade deficit.
Wow, you aren't even going the let the 112th actually convene & get sworn in before they have to save the country/world from the "spineless do--nothing"??
You would prefer that the legislation is already pre-packaged from some lobbying group for PBO's vetos? It might take the House that long to actually read one of their bills before it's voted on. Wouldn't that be a novel concept for an incoming Congress?

So far, I've been disappointed with the Speaker-elect, who has done NOTHING to effect the above changes. (except blow snot bubbles in public)

The Speaker-elect is probably still trying to get the gavel disinfected/sterilized from where it's been inserted for close to 2 years. Maybe you could help him w/ that?!? ;-)

YardleyLabs
11-07-2010, 10:16 AM
Wow, you aren't even going the let the 112th actually convene & get sworn in before they have to save the country/world from the "spineless do--nothing"??
You would prefer that the legislation is already pre-packaged from some lobbying group for PBO's vetos? It might take the House that long to actually read one of their bills before it's voted on. Wouldn't that be a novel concept for an incoming Congress?


The Speaker-elect is probably still trying to get the gavel disinfected/sterilized from where it's been inserted for close to 2 years. Maybe you could help him w/ that?!? ;-)
I agree with your sentiment. I felt the same way when Obama was being blamed for things that happened the day after the election, and even the month before.

depittydawg
11-07-2010, 10:23 AM
Wow, you aren't even going the let the 112th actually convene & get sworn in before they have to save the country/world from the "spineless do--nothing"??
You would prefer that the legislation is already pre-packaged from some lobbying group for PBO's vetos? It might take the House that long to actually read one of their bills before it's voted on. Wouldn't that be a novel concept for an incoming Congress?
I agree with your sentiment. I felt the same way when Obama was being blamed for things that happened the day after the election, and even the month before.

Tow things the modern republican party has excelled at... Blaming and Cheating. No wonder they are so successful in politics.

Gerry Clinchy
11-07-2010, 10:26 AM
Speaking of polling ... I got a call yesterday as part of a Rasmussen poll :-)

Jeff, while the pure number of seats shifted may not be any more earth-shattering than previous shifts ... the Ds still had control of the Senate since 2006 (when the housing industry started to trend downward ... though only Realtors® may have been close enough to see the change beginning ... if anyone had bothered to ask us).

More significant, perhaps, is that among the D majority they could not get stuff done, not just because of "yapping" Rs, but also because not all Ds were in favor of the agendas proposed.

While we complain about the Rs always saying "no" ... would everyone have been happier if the Rs just said "okay" to whatever the Ds wanted? If we think that there is little difference between Rs and Ds (which has been discussed, and may be true in many ways), then such acquiescence would have proved it without any remaining doubt. One-party systems without a place for opposition, is not our American nature. It is the nature of a republic to protect the rights of the minorities, even when the majority is in power.