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Roger Perry
11-25-2010, 09:41 AM
AUSTIN, Texas Former U.S. House Majority Leader Tom DeLay once one of the most powerful and feared Republicans in Congress was convicted Wednesday on charges he illegally funneled corporate money to Texas candidates in 2002.
Jurors deliberated for 19 hours before returning guilty verdicts against DeLay on charges of money laundering and conspiracy to commit money laundering. He faces up to life in prison on the money laundering charge.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40362816/ns/politics-more_politics/

He could be sentenced to Life In Prison.

dnf777
11-25-2010, 09:45 AM
AUSTIN, Texas Former U.S. House Majority Leader Tom DeLay once one of the most powerful and feared Republicans in Congress was convicted Wednesday on charges he illegally funneled corporate money to Texas candidates in 2002.
Jurors deliberated for 19 hours before returning guilty verdicts against DeLay on charges of money laundering and conspiracy to commit money laundering. He faces up to life in prison on the money laundering charge.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40362816/ns/politics-more_politics/

He could be sentenced to Life In Prison.

One good thing about this having been drawn out for soooooo long, is that Bush is gone and can't just give another willy-nilly pardon or commutation. :D

Looks like DeLay's next gig is 'Dancing with Bubba"

depittydawg
11-25-2010, 10:52 AM
One good thing about this having been drawn out for soooooo long, is that Bush is gone and can't just give another willy-nilly pardon or commutation. :D

Looks like DeLay's next gig is 'Dancing with Bubba"

Too bad it didn't happened a month ago. Might have reminded people what a Republican majority is all about before they voted.

Eric Johnson
11-25-2010, 11:38 AM
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Eric Johnson
11-25-2010, 12:13 PM
One good thing about this having been drawn out for soooooo long, is that Bush is gone and can't just give another willy-nilly pardon or commutation. :D


Bush was fairly conservative with the pardon authority. He pardoned and commuted the sentences of right at 200 people. Clinton OTOH performed in the same eight years a pardon for 450+ people...including 140 in one day just before he left office. Among the famous faces for Clinton pardons were Marc Rich and Dan Rostenkowski.

Just sayin'...

Eric

depittydawg
11-25-2010, 12:33 PM
Bush was fairly conservative with the pardon authority. He pardoned and commuted the sentences of right at 200 people. Clinton OTOH performed in the same eight years a pardon for 450+ people...including 140 in one day just before he left office. Among the famous faces for Clinton pardons were Marc Rich and Dan Rostenkowski.

Just sayin'...

Eric

You right about this. I was quite surprised at the small number of people pardoned by Bush. On the other hand, it is consistent with his record as Gov of Texas. He never was one to issue a pardon. Esp on death row. I'd like to see this pardon phenomenon ended. It is a flagrant misuse of power.

BonMallari
11-25-2010, 03:48 PM
You right about this. I was quite surprised at the small number of people pardoned by Bush. On the other hand, it is consistent with his record as Gov of Texas. He never was one to issue a pardon. Esp on death row. I'd like to see this pardon phenomenon ended. It is a flagrant misuse of power.

so what would you like in its place....without it how else would Charlie Crist have pardoned Jim Morrison of the Doors after 40 yrs

sinner
11-25-2010, 08:33 PM
Term Limits For All!

depittydawg
11-25-2010, 08:37 PM
so what would you like in its place....without it how else would Charlie Crist have pardoned Jim Morrison of the Doors after 40 yrs

We have a court system, an appeal system and it works pretty well. I don't think having an executive as a sole check on these systems works. Look at all the bad decisions that have occurred over the years. Executive decisions have been politically and often give the impression of payback.

If another check system is needed, we could moderate the current practice by letting an executive re-open a case for re-trial. This covers cases where new evidence can be introduced or bad decision could be overturned.

dnf777
11-25-2010, 09:33 PM
We have a court system, an appeal system and it works pretty well. I don't think having an executive as a sole check on these systems works. Look at all the bad decisions that have occurred over the years. Executive decisions have been politically and often give the impression of payback.

If another check system is needed, we could moderate the current practice by letting an executive re-open a case for re-trial. This covers cases where new evidence can be introduced or bad decision could be overturned.


I haven't read about what the framers were thinking when they included the presidential power of pardons. Given their overall track record, I'd give them the benefit of the doubt.

And FWIW, I think Clinton grossly abused his pardons. In fact, as far as I'm concerned, those pardons will be more damaging to his eventual legacy than any plump intern was.

Buzz
11-25-2010, 10:17 PM
And FWIWI haven't read about what the framers were thinking



One of the statements that really makes me scratch my head is, "I think we should go back to what our founders intended." I want to ask, which one?

david gibson
11-25-2010, 11:16 PM
Too bad it didn't happened a month ago. Might have reminded people what a Republican majority is all about before they voted.

yeah. democrats are so without sin.:rolleyes:

dnf777
11-26-2010, 07:40 AM
One of the statements that really makes me scratch my head is, "I think we should go back to what our founders intended." I want to ask, which one?

Absolutely! Some of the logic becomes cryptic over changing times and concerns. I find it useful to read the Federalist Papers and letters from the framers that may explain what they were thinking at the time. That was the extent of my comment. You're right...the framers were not an exactly coherent group of like-minded sages. They did get a lot of stuff right, though. ;-)

Eric Johnson
11-26-2010, 08:46 AM
See Federalist Papers #74:

http://thomas.loc.gov/home/histdox/fed_74.html

Eric

WaterDogRem
11-29-2010, 01:56 PM
Too bad it didn't happened a month ago. Might have reminded people what a Republican majority is all about before they voted.

Funny how you don't mention Democratic Congressman Charles Rangel.

Eric Johnson
11-29-2010, 03:25 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/28/AR2010112804066.html?wpisrc=nl_pmopinions

http://tinyurl.com/3yh933f

THERE IS LITTLE DOUBT that former House majority leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) schemed to get around a Texas law prohibiting corporate contributions to political campaigns. Mr. DeLay's state political action committee accepted $190,000 in (legal) corporate contributions. A PAC official wrote a check for that amount to the Republican National Committee, helpfully including a list of candidates for the Texas statehouse and the amounts they were to receive. The RNC did Mr. DeLay's bidding - and the ensuing GOP takeover of the state legislature allowed Republicans to engineer a redistricting plan that helped defeat five Democratic incumbents in the next election.

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Roger Perry
11-29-2010, 03:40 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/28/AR2010112804066.html?wpisrc=nl_pmopinions

http://tinyurl.com/3yh933f

THERE IS LITTLE DOUBT that former House majority leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) schemed to get around a Texas law prohibiting corporate contributions to political campaigns. Mr. DeLay's state political action committee accepted $190,000 in (legal) corporate contributions. A PAC official wrote a check for that amount to the Republican National Committee, helpfully including a list of candidates for the Texas statehouse and the amounts they were to receive. The RNC did Mr. DeLay's bidding - and the ensuing GOP takeover of the state legislature allowed Republicans to engineer a redistricting plan that helped defeat five Democratic incumbents in the next election.

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You will never get any right wingers here to admit to any republican wrong doing.

road kill
11-29-2010, 04:06 PM
You will never get any right wingers here to admit to any republican wrong doing.
I think YOU admit enough of it for all of us!!:D

RK

Roger Perry
11-29-2010, 04:09 PM
I think YOU admit enough of it for all of us!!:D

RK

Nah, I just point it out and y'all deny it or dance around it.:razz:

Eric Johnson
11-29-2010, 07:58 PM
Roger-

Did you read the editorial? It's from a left-leaning newspaper and comes to the conclusion that while DeLay was ethically wrong, he may have done nothing that was illegal.

Eric

dnf777
11-29-2010, 08:20 PM
See Federalist Papers #74:

http://thomas.loc.gov/home/histdox/fed_74.html

Eric

Thanks Eric.

I love the writing skills of those men, not to mention their governing philosophies.