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dnf777
12-10-2010, 08:43 PM
Probably gonna break my dry streak of no movies for about 10 years, and go see this one in the theater. They're messin' with the Duke though...

subroc
12-11-2010, 04:38 AM
Trading Glen Campbell in for Matt Damon for the La Boeuf character is probably an upgrade (although, I don't hate Campbell), but after watching the trailer, I expect the original is easily the better movie. The cleaver verbal exchanges in the original will not be easily duplicated. The orignal cast will overpower the remake cast.


John Wayne remakes rarely satisfy.


The remakes of Stagecoach pale in comparison although both the Kris Kristofferson and Alex Cord versions had some good character acting.

The remake of Angel and the Badman with Lou Diamond Phillips was downright awful.

I will wait for it to arrive on regular TV.

Franco
12-11-2010, 05:18 AM
The remake of 310 To Yuma with Russell Crow & Batman was laughable compared to the original with Glen Ford and Van Heflin.

dnf777
12-11-2010, 06:03 AM
Bridges is certainly a respectable actor, he was really good in Gettysburg. I bet he'll to a good job, and will be well received by a younger crowd who has NOT seen the original. But I agree with most of the comments...once John Wayne puts his mark on a movie, its hard to even come close.

subroc
12-11-2010, 07:26 AM
BTW, TCM is showing the original 12/22/2010 at 8PM

Goose
12-11-2010, 07:58 AM
Are you kidding! Absolutely yes. If he were alive today John Wayne would be the first in line to see this movie. No doubt about it and I consider True Grit a Top 5 movie.

BonMallari
12-11-2010, 11:04 AM
Have not seen the remake but I plan to...will keep an open mind ...but using a Boston boy like Matt Damon to play a Texas Ranger, gimme a break.. at least with Glen Campbell you had an Arkansas guitar picker trying to pull it off...one must remember that most of the John Wayne movies were written with him in mind ,he was made to be Rooster Cogburn...Jeff Bridges is one heck of a versatile actor so he might be able to pull it off

depittydawg
12-11-2010, 12:11 PM
The remake of 310 To Yuma with Russell Crow & Batman was laughable compared to the original with Glen Ford and Van Heflin.

I thought 310 to Yuma with Crow was great. Never saw the original so I can't compare to that one. I'll have to get it.

dnf777
12-11-2010, 12:49 PM
Have not seen the remake but I plan to...will keep an open mind ...but using a Boston boy like Matt Damon to play a Texas Ranger, gimme a break.. at least with Glen Campbell you had an Arkansas guitar picker trying to pull it off...one must remember that most of the John Wayne movies were written with him in mind ,he was made to be Rooster Cogburn...Jeff Bridges is one heck of a versatile actor so he might be able to pull it off

Yeah, if I had to pick a modern actor to try and pull it off, I would say Jeff Bridges, maybe Selleck or Duvall? But I don't think anyone can ever replace the Duke. Could be a good movie if they change it and the character enough so that direct comparisons are avoided.

M&K's Retrievers
12-11-2010, 01:35 PM
Must be a slow day in the ole duck blind.:)

BonMallari
12-11-2010, 02:11 PM
Yeah, if I had to pick a modern actor to try and pull it off, I would say Jeff Bridges, maybe Selleck or Duvall? But I don't think anyone can ever replace the Duke. Could be a good movie if they change it and the character enough so that direct comparisons are avoided.

Cant use Robert Duvall...he was "Lucky Ned Pepper" in the original and delivered the line " ...that's mighty tough talk from a one eyed fat man...."

before Duke delivered his Academy Award winning response " fill your hand you sonof*****....." :D:D

subroc
12-11-2010, 03:05 PM
the dialog in the original movie was outstanding.

dnf777
12-11-2010, 03:37 PM
Cant use Robert Duvall...he was "Lucky Ned Pepper" in the original and delivered the line " ...that's mighty tough talk from a one eyed fat man...."

before Duke delivered his Academy Award winning response " fill your hand you sonof*****....." :D:D



Wow--I didn't realize that, but on close inspection.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSELRi1EoQk&NR=1

Franco
12-13-2010, 09:31 AM
I thought 310 to Yuma with Crow was great. Never saw the original so I can't compare to that one. I'll have to get it.

The handgun shooting was very unrealistic. Russell Corw's gang never missed a shot in the entire movie and most of the time they weren't even looking at thier targets.

Ken Bora
12-13-2010, 04:59 PM
But guys…..
The Coen Brothers rock!!!:cool:
I will see it, I bet they’ve done a great job!




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david gibson
12-13-2010, 07:15 PM
to me, the classic movies rock - but in those days acting was a different science that has evolved. back then it was still closer to a stage play on screen. people crossed the plains in crisp clean clothes. womens hair was always perfect. and every town was just one main street. and guns never kicked or ran out.

so to me a remake has its place, with time historic movies become more realistic given the more modern filming and acting techniques. whether it bombs or smashes, it will never undo what John Wayne did. but it has the potential to transform us into a frontier world that all we can ever do is imagine.

just think about a western movie in the 20's. then 40's, etc etc....all great in their own merit, then look at true grit. is it so unreal to improve on the genre even more?


so i welcome it!

Ken Bora
12-13-2010, 07:31 PM
to me, the classic movies rock - but in those days acting was a different science that has evolved. back then it was still closer to a stage play on screen. people crossed the plains in crisp clean clothes. womens hair was always perfect. and every town was just one main street. and guns never kicked or ran out........
..........so i welcome it!

I agree,
I think Unforgiven broke that mold the best.
One of Eastwoods best after Josie Wales.
The guns didn’t go off and the mud and ugly was……
Perfect!









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BonMallari
12-13-2010, 07:35 PM
IMHO there are a few Westerns that you just dont touch

1. High Noon

2. The Magnificent Seven

3. Tombstone

4. Outlaw Josey Wales

5. True Grit

6. Shane

dnf777
12-13-2010, 07:43 PM
[QUOTE=BonMallari;717230]IMHO there are a few Westerns that you just dont touch

The Shootist

The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence

Quigley Down Under (not quite in the same league, but close)

subroc
12-13-2010, 07:49 PM
I believe The Magnificent Seven was a remake of a Japanese movie, Seven Samurai.

I have no problem with remakes, I just don't believe some are very good. I expect the Coen Brothers will take away one of the key things that made True Grit exceptional, the dialog. The story and acting was very good, no doubt about it, but the dialog, in my view, sets it apart

BonMallari
12-13-2010, 07:57 PM
I believe The Magnificent Seven was a remake of a Japanese movie, Seven Samurai.



but Toshiro Mifune is not as cool as Steve McQueen, Yul Brynner,or James Coburn and not has as tough as Charles Bronson :D

david gibson
12-13-2010, 09:14 PM
so then what about remaking wizard of oz????/

JDogger
12-13-2010, 10:31 PM
so then what about remaking wizard of oz????/

Happens every so often inside the "beltway". The man behind the curtain still remains the same though. JD

M&K's Retrievers
12-13-2010, 11:03 PM
Happens every so often inside the "beltway". The man behind the curtain still remains the same though. JD

Who? Soros?

JDogger
12-13-2010, 11:38 PM
Who? Soros?

If that is what you choose to believe....let me rephrase then...'those' behind the curtain.

Find your demons were you will. Demons percieved are indeed demons realized. JD

WALDMAN79
12-25-2010, 10:07 PM
Are you kidding! Absolutely yes. If he were alive today John Wayne would be the first in line to see this movie. No doubt about it and I consider True Grit a Top 5 movie.

NO WAY IN HELL THE DUKE'S FIRST IN LINE. MARSHALL RUBEN J. "ROOSTER" COGBURN [U]WAS[U] JOHN WAYNE, IS FIRST, LAST, AND ONLY OSCAR WINNER.

WALDMAN79
12-25-2010, 10:09 PM
the dialog in the original movie was outstanding.

YEAH, SO OUTSTANDING THEY COPIED MOST OF IT FOR THE REMAKE, SO MUCH FOR ORIGINALITY

WALDMAN79
12-25-2010, 10:13 PM
IMHO there are a few Westerns that you just dont touch

1. High Noon

2. The Magnificent Seven

3. Tombstone

4. Outlaw Josey Wales

5. True Grit

6. Shane

AMEN TO THAT! BUT IF YOU ABSOLUTELY HAD TO REMAKE TRUE GRIT, WHAT ABOUT KURT RUSSELL? WYATT EARP FROM TOMBSTONE + SNAKE PLISSKEN FROM ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK HAS GOT TO = A BETTER ROOSTER THAN THE DUDE FROM THE BIG LEBOWSKI!!

WALDMAN79
12-25-2010, 10:29 PM
Sorry For All The Venom, But There Are Some Things You Just Don't Do, Lines That Shouldn't Be Crossed. And Anything John Wayne Falls Into That Category.

My Dad And I Got Our Names From The Duke's Sons (jeffery And James) In Big Jake, 3 Of My Sons Got Named After John Wayne Characters (jacob Ethan From Big Jake And The Searchers, Samuel From North To Alaska, And John Thomas Or J.t. From Rio Bravo) And As You Can See From My Dog's Name I Particularly Am Fond Of True Grit. I'd Rather Watch A John Wayne Movie That I've Seen A 100 Times And Can Recite The Lines By Heart Than Most Of The Hollywood Crap Of Today.

road kill
12-26-2010, 07:18 AM
Sorry For All The Venom, But There Are Some Things You Just Don't Do, Lines That Shouldn't Be Crossed. And Anything John Wayne Falls Into That Category.

My Dad And I Got Our Names From The Duke's Sons (jeffery And James) In Big Jake, 3 Of My Sons Got Named After John Wayne Characters (jacob Ethan From Big Jake And The Searchers, Samuel From North To Alaska, And John Thomas Or J.t. From Rio Bravo) And As You Can See From My Dog's Name I Particularly Am Fond Of True Grit. I'd Rather Watch A John Wayne Movie That I've Seen A 100 Times And Can Recite The Lines By Heart Than Most Of The Hollywood Crap Of Today.


I am with you, check my tag line.....pilgrim!!:cool:


RK

dnf777
12-26-2010, 07:25 AM
I am with you, check my tag line.....pilgrim!!:cool:


RK

Not sure if it was a twist or an original, but Eddie Rickenbacker said, "Coruage is doing what your afraid to do. There can be no courage without fear".

Considering the contraptions he climbed into, not the mention people shooting at you all the while, that guy probably spoke from experience!

road kill
12-26-2010, 07:28 AM
Not sure if it was a twist or an original, but Eddie Rickenbacker said, "Coruage is doing what your afraid to do. There can be no courage without fear".

Considering the contraptions he climbed into, not the mention people shooting at you all the while, that guy probably spoke from experience!


A picture of "The Duke" from the movie "Hondo" hangs in my man-cave.
I also have a framed picture of him from "Chisum," I think.
Anyway, it is awesome.

Any of you see the movie "Appaloosa?"
Very good.


BTW--Last night I saw "The Fighter.":shock:

WOW!!!


RK

Franco
12-26-2010, 07:29 AM
IMHO there are a few Westerns that you just dont touch

1. High Noon

2. The Magnificent Seven

3. Tombstone

4. Outlaw Josey Wales

5. True Grit

6. Shane

I'll list 5 I really liked;

Red River - only John Wayne Western movie that was believeable.

Open Range - the Duvall/Costner combo really clicked with a solid story line.

Unforgiven - another real vs fantasy western. A lot of awesome characters in the movie.

Magnificent Seven - first rock n roll western! Eli Wallach as Soterro was cool!

Wild Bunch - Not a better cowboy actor out there than William Holden. He made a few Westerns and they were all good!

dnf777
12-26-2010, 07:30 AM
A picture of "The Duke" from the movie "Hondo" hangs in my man-cave.
I also have a framed picture of him from "Chisum," I think.
Anyway, it is awesome.

Any of you see the movie "Appaloosa?"
Very good.


BTW--Last night I saw "The Fighter.":shock:

WOW!!!


RK

I proudly admit I have a few Duke plates on display. Always wanted a full size movie cut-out, but they're not easy to find. He and Clint Eastwood would look good standing behind the bar.

Franco
12-26-2010, 07:47 AM
I proudly admit I have a few Duke plates on display. Always wanted a full size movie cut-out, but they're not easy to find. He and Clint Eastwood would look good standing behind the bar.

The two best Eastwood Westerns in my book are Coogan's Bluff and Unforgiven. The other Westerns are aweful! I've tried to watch, Good, Bad and The Ugly but, it's agonizing!

road kill
12-26-2010, 09:47 AM
The two best Eastwood Westerns in my book are Coogan's Bluff and Unforgiven. The other Westerns are aweful! I've tried to watch, Good, Bad and The Ugly but, it's agonizing!

I think "Pale Rider" is decent.

And of course "get off my lawn!!":D


RK

7pntail
12-26-2010, 10:29 AM
Probably gonna break my dry streak of no movies for about 10 years, and go see this one in the theater. They're messin' with the Duke though...


" That, baby sister, is no trade"
"But, it's enough that you know that I'll do what i have to do"

I got to admit I am thinking about going too. I might have your streak beat---last movie my wife was able to drag me too was Titanic

achiro
12-28-2010, 10:17 AM
YEAH, SO OUTSTANDING THEY COPIED MOST OF IT FOR THE REMAKE, SO MUCH FOR ORIGINALITY
You do know that True Grit was a book by Charles Portis? I have not had the chance to read it but my understanding is that most of the dialog is taken from the book, not the original True Grit movie.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_Grit_%28novel%29

AMEN TO THAT! BUT IF YOU ABSOLUTELY HAD TO REMAKE TRUE GRIT, WHAT ABOUT KURT RUSSELL? WYATT EARP FROM TOMBSTONE + SNAKE PLISSKEN FROM ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK HAS GOT TO = A BETTER ROOSTER THAN THE DUDE FROM THE BIG LEBOWSKI!!
I am not a big fan of The Big Lebowski but if you haven't had the chance to see Jeff Bridges in Crazy Heart then you should.

I will admit to you that I originally wasn't crazy about the idea of a Coens version of True Grit but now I can't wait to see it. Maybe this afternoon, I'll report back after.;-)

Marvin S
12-28-2010, 06:58 PM
IMHO there are a few Westerns that you just dont touch

1. High Noon - Yes, saw it several times

2. The Magnificent Seven

3. Tombstone

4. Outlaw Josey Wales

5. True Grit - Yes, liked Red River better

6. Shane - Yes, Alan Ladd was perfect for the part.

To that list I would add "The Big Country", a western with a plot & well cast. "Bad Day at Black Rock" - Spencer Tracy, the stage stop scene is etched in my mind.

The issue I have with the western of today is there are no actors with the swagger of a real working cowboy - sheriff type. Too many girly men ;). John Wayne, Robert Mitchum, Charles Bronson, Clint Eastwood were guys that could be cast into believable roles & they had the right swagger.

Now if you want some really bad westerns, I go back to the days when you could watch Charles Mix, Hopalong Cassidy, Gene Autry, Roy Rogers in a spaghetti western for $.09 double feature matinee, first runs. & I did, a lot of them ;).

dnf777
12-28-2010, 07:07 PM
Now if you want some really bad westerns, I go back to the days when you could watch Charles Mix, Hopalong Cassidy, Gene Autry, Roy Rogers in a spaghetti western for $.09 double feature matinee, first runs. & I did, a lot of them ;).

You mean Tom Mixx?

Nor_Cal_Angler
12-28-2010, 09:18 PM
Went today to see it...

All I can say is, I must be "that" much younger than most of you....

It was good, not great..I have no reference point as I have not seen the origional, but if the dialogue is truly taken from the origional then most of you "Wayne" fans should like it. It was a time travel of the spoken english word that is for sure.

Words were actually pronounced, many of the words you would NEVER hear in a conversation today, much less a conversation while being shot at and in the company of a 14 year old girl while being shot at.

To me the 14 year old girl stole the movie, like I said I don't have a reference point but if, and it has to be a BIG if the origional young lady played her part as charismaticly as this young girl then she must have had some of the spotlight.

she was quick as a whip, smart as hell, and didn't take no lip...she was determined, tough as nails, and when she told you she ment to see it to the end boy, you had to believe her....

I hope this helps, I wont go on about parts from the movie, because I hate it when people do that...

Was it worth the money, I dont know, without a background in "Wayne" then I just as easily could have waited I think.

NCA

achiro
12-28-2010, 09:20 PM
Clint Eastwood were guys that could be cast into believable roles & they had the right swagger.

Now if you want some really bad westerns, I go back to the days when you could watch Charles Mix, Hopalong Cassidy, Gene Autry, Roy Rogers in a spaghetti western for $.09 double feature matinee, first runs. & I did, a lot of them ;).
Marvin, I'm going to correct you a bit here. Not really a big deal but the actors you mention were acting much earlier than the spaghetti westerns. Spaghetti westerns are from the late 60's and Clint Eastwood is probably the most famous actor(at least that I can think of) that was in them. The "spaghetti" name comes from the Italian directors of the films.

charly_t
12-28-2010, 11:42 PM
All this talk about older movies and in particular westerns gave me the urg to hunt for one I would like to watch again. My search did not help me find one to buy but if I remember correctly the horse's name was "Smokey" and that may have been the name of the movie. I think the story may have been based on a Will James book. Anyway my search may have yielded the year that it came out.......1946. Some of the old ones were very good.

Started one of the books that Hubby received as a Christmas present ...."The Greatest Hunting Stories Ever Told". Some are fiction and some are true. It's got a few really good ones, some okay ones and one that I did not care for ( so far that is ). I turned to the Peter Hathaway-Capstick story first and even though it is in a book that we already have it is still a good one.

Marvin S
12-29-2010, 11:25 AM
Marvin, I'm going to correct you a bit here. Not really a big deal but the actors you mention were acting much earlier than the spaghetti westerns. Spaghetti westerns are from the late 60's and Clint Eastwood is probably the most famous actor(at least that I can think of) that was in them. The "spaghetti" name comes from the Italian directors of the films.

Russ, I am familiar with where the term "spaghetti" came from, but I thought it was because of the locale where the films were made. What I was inferring to in my post was the low budget western that was common when I was a little guy. All inexpensive & followed the same plot line. I have 16 cubic feet of western paperbacks that generally do the same thing, but I still read & reread them :).

I believe this all changed with John Huston's epics. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but they were larger budget with more headliners per movie.

While in the service had a GF who's cousin had been a featured model & had a movie part written for her - I believe one of those larger budget type westerns. She had a problem getting up in the morning as she liked her booze, so Jennifer Jones (her 1st big role) was moved into the part. Can't remember that movie but do remember JJ in "Love is a Many Splendored Thing" walking up the hill in the sack dress - pure fully clothed sexual fantasy!!!!!!!!!

Anyway, it was Tom Mix not Charles but I left "The Lone Ranger" & his trusty sidekick, Tonto out. Most memorable line not from their movies was
"Hi Ho Silver everywhere,
Tonto lost his underwear,
Tonto say me not care,
Lone Ranger buy me another pair."

With that little piece of old style wit I leave this post ;-).

Goose
12-29-2010, 12:43 PM
Went today to see it...

All I can say is, I must be "that" much younger than most of you....

It was good, not great..I have no reference point as I have not seen the origional, but if the dialogue is truly taken from the origional then most of you "Wayne" fans should like it. It was a time travel of the spoken english word that is for sure.

Words were actually pronounced, many of the words you would NEVER hear in a conversation today, much less a conversation while being shot at and in the company of a 14 year old girl while being shot at.

To me the 14 year old girl stole the movie, like I said I don't have a reference point but if, and it has to be a BIG if the origional young lady played her part as charismaticly as this young girl then she must have had some of the spotlight.

she was quick as a whip, smart as hell, and didn't take no lip...she was determined, tough as nails, and when she told you she ment to see it to the end boy, you had to believe her....

I hope this helps, I wont go on about parts from the movie, because I hate it when people do that...

Was it worth the money, I dont know, without a background in "Wayne" then I just as easily could have waited I think.

NCA

"My name is Mattie Ross, of Near Dardanelle in Yell County. My family owns property and I don't know why I'm being treated like this!"

"Those horses can't outrun Little Blackie! They're loaded down with fat men and iron!"

and my favorite,

"I want Tom Chaney hanged for killing my father! It's little to me how many dogs and senators he's killed in Texas."

I'm going to see it tomorrow.

Nor_Cal_Angler
12-29-2010, 12:54 PM
"My name is Mattie Ross, of Near Dardanelle in Yell County. My family owns property and I don't know why I'm being treated like this!"

"Those horses can't outrun Little Blackie! They're loaded down with fat men and iron!"

and my favorite,

"I want Tom Chaney hanged for killing my father! It's little to me how many dogs and senators he's killed in Texas."

I'm going to see it tomorrow.

The two I highlighted are word for word, I do remember both....but the outrunning little blackie one, I dont quite remember...either there is a similiar line or its not in there at all.

I will say that she was GOOD!!!...she had me convinced she was either gonna watch Tom hang or she was gonna see him dead by her own hand....

The sceene where Rooster says to meet him in the morning and they would leave and then he ditches her, and she has it in her mind that she was gonna go and decides NOTHING is gonna stop her sold me on her determination....she took that horse right across in to the "territory"

NCA

BonMallari
12-29-2010, 01:49 PM
The two I highlighted are word for word, I do remember both....but the outrunning little blackie one, I dont quite remember...either there is a similiar line or its not in there at all.

I will say that she was GOOD!!!...she had me convinced she was either gonna watch Tom hang or she was gonna see him dead by her own hand....

The sceene where Rooster says to meet him in the morning and they would leave and then he ditches her, and she has it in her mind that she was gonna go and decides NOTHING is gonna stop her sold me on her determination....she took that horse right across in to the "territory"

NCA

that is the line she delivers when they ditch her at the ferry crossing after she and her horse have swam the river

david gibson
12-29-2010, 02:07 PM
that is the line she delivers when they ditch her at the ferry crossing after she and her horse have swam the river

that was a weak point in the movie. she swims the horse across the river, and when on the other side she is not dripping wet and looks almost dry, maybe a little damp and thats all.

and when she climbs the tree all the way to the hanging limb. huh? when a man was hung you tossed the rope over the limb, hoisted him up, then tied the rope off somewhere lower. to climb to where she did would imply they climbed up there and pulled him up and tied onto that limb. once more, once up there, you can see the trailing rope off at an angle..

just the little things that bug me

Nor_Cal_Angler
12-29-2010, 05:59 PM
that is the line she delivers when they ditch her at the ferry crossing after she and her horse have swam the river

Ok, well that part of the movie happened to be the part that sold me on her determination...So are you saying that the line I am not familiar is the one said in the origional....or you saw the new one and its there too.

I do not recall her saying that...she swims..rather holds on to blackie and the mounts comming out of the water and I dont remember her saying that line, if I remember correctly she doesnt say anything becasue they see her swimming and stop to wait...she rides up to them and they all kinda have a stare off thingy and then I think she opens up and gets after Rooster, something about reporting him for stealing her money, if he intended on leaving her behinde. And then Lebeef gets after Rooster, and calls him a wetnurse (obviouse pun) for caving into her and allowing her to trail along.

NCA

achiro
12-29-2010, 07:44 PM
Watched it this afternoon. I thought it was fantastic. Many of the lines are the same but like I said before, they are both from the same book so it is to be expected.
I'm going to put it up there in at least my top 10 westerns of all time.