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road kill
12-28-2010, 11:38 AM
Hey, Philly Phans,
You know what we call 8" of snow and 20 degree temps in WI????


APRIL!!!!!


And we damned sure don't call off no football games because of a dusting of snow!!!!:rolleyes:


Franco, your guys look real good to me.


RK

Marvin S
12-28-2010, 12:04 PM
Hey, Philly Phans,
You know what we call 8" of snow and 20 degree temps in WI????


APRIL!!!!!


And we damned sure don't call off no football games because of a dusting of snow!!!!:rolleyes:


Franco, your guys look real good to me.


RK

I thought both teams looked good - you can't beat playoff level FB.

It's not the good drivers that cause the problems in these situations it's the bad drivers of which there are too many.

In the blizzard of '37, a drift blew over our 2 1/2 story house, hardpacked the upper 6" as only North winds can. We dug a tunnel through the drift & drove through it until spring. It was not a big deal as there are no pictures of record, just a typical SD winter. I ran my little sled down the drift all winter :D.

BTW RK, didn't you cheese guys send a team to the RB in '59 that was heavily favored? I can remember getting 8 1/2 points on a $5 bet (a lot of money in those days, at least for me). The victorious team had a one eyed QB :), UW 44 - WI 8. The little 10 don't do the RB well :).

road kill
12-28-2010, 12:20 PM
I thought both teams looked good - you can't beat playoff level FB.

It's not the good drivers that cause the problems in these situations it's the bad drivers of which there are too many.

In the blizzard of '37, a drift blew over our 2 1/2 story house, hardpacked the upper 6" as only North winds can. We dug a tunnel through the drift & drove through it until spring. It was not a big deal as there are no pictures of record, just a typical SD winter. I ran my little sled down the drift all winter :D.

BTW RK, didn't you cheese guys send a team to the RB in '59 that was heavily favored? I can remember getting 8 1/2 points on a $5 bet (a lot of money in those days, at least for me). The victorious team had a one eyed QB :), UW 44 - WI 8. The little 10 don't do the RB well :).

Uh, yeah, that happened.......


51 FREAKIN YEARS AGO!!!:rolleyes:


It wasn't my fault Marvin, I swear!!
I was only 8 years old.:shock:


RK

ducknwork
12-28-2010, 12:55 PM
Uh, yeah, that happened.......


51 FREAKIN YEARS AGO!!!:rolleyes:


It wasn't my fault Marvin, I swear!!
I was only 8 years old.:shock:


RK

51 years ago...8 years old...that makes you, wait a minute....computing...computing...(don't mind the smoke)....computing...AHH! FORGET IT! You're freaking OLD!!

Franco
12-28-2010, 02:36 PM
Hey, Philly Phans,
You know what we call 8" of snow and 20 degree temps in WI????


APRIL!!!!!


And we damned sure don't call off no football games because of a dusting of snow!!!!:rolleyes:


Franco, your guys look real good to me.


RK

With all the smack Falcon's WR Roddy White had been tweeting all week, it was great to see some Saints D players standing on the Falcon logo posing for pictures after the game and texting those photos to White.

Brees is just plain unflapable! He throws two interceptions in the 4thQ, one a pick 6, then leads the team on a 90 yard winning drive. However, it was the Saints D that won that game. Held the Dirty Birds to a total of 215 yards in thier house.

I think all NFL teams should play in a dome!;-)

Looking forward to seeing the two NFC wildcards, Saints and Packers play in the NFC Championship game:cool:

road kill
12-28-2010, 02:51 PM
With all the smack Falcon's WR Roddy White had been tweeting all week, it was great to see some Saints D players standing on the Falcon logo posing for pictures after the game and texting those photos to White.

Brees is just plain unflapable! He throws two interceptions in the 4thQ, one a pick 6, then leads the team on a 90 yard winning drive. However, it was the Saints D that won that game. Held the Dirty Birds to a total of 215 yards in thier house.

I think all NFL teams should play in a dome!;-)

Looking forward to seeing the two NFC wildcards, Saints and Packers play in the NFC Championship game:cool:

Well Franco, I am doubtfull of that game happening.
I think, for some reason, the Eagles are this years team.
But defense wins Championships, and the Saints "D" looks good.
To go in and beat Atlanta at home is BIG!!!
(19-2 at home?)

Just sayin'......


RK

Franco
12-28-2010, 03:27 PM
Well Franco, I am doubtfull of that game happening.
I think, for some reason, the Eagles are this years team.
But defense wins Championships, and the Saints "D" looks good.
To go in and beat Atlanta at home is BIG!!!
(19-2 at home?)

Just sayin'......


RK

Sean Payton/Drew Brees/Saints are 8 - 2 against the Dirty Birds in thier tenure together.

Last night was payback for getting beat in week 3 when Saint's Kicker Hartley missed a 29 FG in OT!

Teams stand a good chance of seeing one another again in 3 weeks, unless the Pack gets rolling.

If the Pack wins this weekend, they would get the Eagles at Philly. Eagles have shown they're beatable and GB can do it. Then you can have your shot at the Falcons for the rematch. We'll take care of the Seahawks/Rams and Bears;-)

Ken Bora
12-28-2010, 05:52 PM
I think all NFL teams should play in a dome!;-)


and that, is what the PA. Gov was just talking about on the nightly news.
he called it the "Wusification" of America. :rolleyes:

dnf777
12-28-2010, 06:02 PM
and that, is what the PA. Gov was just talking about on the nightly news.
he called it the "Wusification" of America. :rolleyes:

Next we'll have penalties for dirty uniforms or broken nails.

This may be the first (and last) time I agree with Ed Rendell.

starjack
12-28-2010, 06:15 PM
Franco..... what does a dome have to to do with after the game. The giants had to stay in Appleton Wis for a xtra night because the airline could not get them to NY. Bud grant would not allow heaters on the side line for fear that that the the player would want to to be there instead of playing. Im with the gov and RK WUSSIES . PLAYBALL KNOW MATTER WHAT THE CONDITIONS ARE. If you cant take it stay home!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Marvin S
12-28-2010, 06:29 PM
and that, is what the PA. Gov was just talking about on the nightly news.
he called it the "Wusification" of America. :rolleyes:

I'm not sure I agree, I believe the real fans would make it to the game. But they wouldn't be spending. IMO the reschedule was all about emptying the fans pockets, it's not inexpensive to attend any pro sports contest, nor is it inexpensive to put one on ;).

One of the more memorable snow contests was MI-OSU for the Big 10 title. Players played both ways in a blinding snowstorm, eventually won by ? 3-0, sometime in the late 40's. Lynn Chappius for MI & I think Vic Janowicz for OSU. One of those two kicked A FG late.

david gibson
12-28-2010, 07:12 PM
i dont know the total actual snowfall for philly - was it 8"? if so and they had that forecast, its one thing. but the magnitude of this storm caught a lot of people off guard. what if they got 24+ inches like some areas? people would be stuck all over and no way to help them all. what if people died from just trying to get to the game? just look how bad some areas were, who wants to be responsible for that? with a last minute forecast of massive blizzards there is no way to always predict exactly where it will be the worst.

quit complaining - this way we get football on tuesday night!

Franco
12-29-2010, 06:31 AM
Franco..... what does a dome have to to do with after the game. The giants had to stay in Appleton Wis for a xtra night because the airline could not get them to NY. Bud grant would not allow heaters on the side line for fear that that the the player would want to to be there instead of playing. Im with the gov and RK WUSSIES . PLAYBALL KNOW MATTER WHAT THE CONDITIONS ARE. If you cant take it stay home!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You are missing a few things about the NFL and fans today.

First of all, fans around the country do not want to watch a game that is determined by poor weather. TV pays the NFL billions for the rights to broadcast games and the NFL owes it to deliver a better product. Ratings and interest in the Rust Belt teams is way down!

Just look at which game was the highest rated Monday Night game this season, two dome teams!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5964359

In regards to not being able to get to the stadium, that is an excuse. Police escorted buses could get them to the game.

road kill
12-29-2010, 06:38 AM
You are missing a few things about the NFL and fans today.

First of all, fans around the country do not want to watch a game that is determined by poor weather. TV pays the NFL billions for the rights to broadcast games and the NFL owes it to deliver a better product. Ratings and interest in the Rust Belt teams is way down!

Just look at which game was the highest rated Monday Night game this season, two dome teams!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5964359

In regards to not being able to get to the stadium, that is an excuse. Police escorted buses could get them to the game.


There has never been a game canceled at Lambeau.
And there have been a few there.

Snow, ICE, frigid temps, football is a game made to be played outdoors on GRASS!!

Once again, the NFL was not invented last year!!!!


Of course, what do I know.


RK

Franco
12-29-2010, 06:51 AM
It is not a matter of when the NFL was invented.

It is a matter of what the fans want. Except for a few older die-hards (this is the way we did it 40 years ago), fans across the country are not wanting to watch games that are over-shadowed by weather conditions.

That is why less games are being televised nationally of open-aired stadium teams.

The NFL is a buisness built on fan interest/TV ratings. That is why the NFL is just beginning to address this issue. Except for Jacksoville, expansion will not happen but instead teams over the years will be moved to where they can make more money and that means state-of-the-art stadiums.

paul young
12-29-2010, 07:16 AM
gee, the NFL must really hate the idea of the Patriots hosting a PLAYOFF game, then.

maybe the fans in the sweat belt love their domes, but the fans here in New England are quite happy when the weather is crappy!

wonder what the ratings will be for for the playoff game at gillette next month? probably dismal. i can just see football fans nationwide not watching that one.................-Paul

ducknwork
12-29-2010, 08:33 AM
Snow, ICE, frigid temps, football is a game made to be played outdoors on GRASS!!



Ditto...and I am not an 'older' diehard fan, Franco.

Personally, I love to watch a game played in inclement weather. It's kinda like watching a UFC fight when it gets really ugly and bloody. It makes it more interesting and amazing to see what these guys can push through and deal with and still perform at the high level that they do.

Ken Bora
12-29-2010, 08:38 AM
Ditto...and I am not an 'older' diehard fan, Franco.

Personally, I love to watch a game played in inclement weather......


that is zactly what that comon tater costco feller said before the game last eve.:cool:


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Ken Bora
12-29-2010, 08:56 AM
BTW,
Loved how the Vikings beat the Beagles!!!! After the way they crushed my Giants earlier.
Guess praise for Vick from the commander in chief donít carry much weight on the field of play.
Ha Ha no bye week for them!
And that Webb Kid is aright! If they had played him more instead of the feeble Wrangler Jeans Spokesman, this season may have been different for them. Always next year right RK? ;-)





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Franco
12-29-2010, 09:09 AM
gee, the NFL must really hate the idea of the Patriots hosting a PLAYOFF game, then.

maybe the fans in the sweat belt love their domes, but the fans here in New England are quite happy when the weather is crappy!

wonder what the ratings will be for for the playoff game at gillette next month? probably dismal. i can just see football fans nationwide not watching that one.................-Paul

Those Patriot vs Colt AFC Championship games of the last decade(3 games) were some of the lowest viewed NFL playoff games of the decade!
Even the Steelers with thier two SB's last decade didn't have playoff ratings worth mentioning.

The exception was the Packers vs Giants NFC Championship game in 08.

Franco
12-29-2010, 09:13 AM
Snow, ICE, frigid temps, football is a game made to be played outdoors on GRASS!!



RK

Are they playing on grass or ice?

The NFL is the world's second most viewed sport in the world.The only area interested in watching frozen football are those in the upper midwest and northeast.

The rest of the football fans want to see big plays and talent that is not hindered by weather!

road kill
12-29-2010, 09:15 AM
Are they playing on grass or ice?

The NFL is the world's second most viewed sport in the world.The only area interested in watching frozen football are those in the upper midwest and northeast.

The rest of the football fans want to see big plays and talent that is not hindered by weather!

That's called the NBA!!!:D

RK

Ken Bora
12-29-2010, 09:23 AM
The rest of the football fans want to see big plays and talent that is not hindered by weather!

That's called the NBA!!!:DRK

Womenís Beach Volleyball came to mind for me,:cool:
But I guess you could watch the NBA for that as well.



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Franco
12-29-2010, 09:27 AM
Well Franco, I am doubtfull of that game happening.
I think, for some reason, the Eagles are this years team.
But defense wins Championships, and the Saints "D" looks good.
To go in and beat Atlanta at home is BIG!!!
(19-2 at home?)

Just sayin'......


RK

Someone forgot to tell the Vikings this yesterday.:D

Packers will beat the Eagles in the playoffs! That is, if the can beat the Bears this weekend in your beloved fronzen tundra of Lambeau, which they should. Bears don't have anything to play for this weekend and the Pack needs to win to stay alive.

starjack
12-29-2010, 02:21 PM
You are missing a few things about the NFL and fans today.

First of all, fans around the country do not want to watch a game that is determined by poor weather. TV pays the NFL billions for the rights to broadcast games and the NFL owes it to deliver a better product. Ratings and interest in the Rust Belt teams is way down!

Just look at which game was the highest rated Monday Night game this season, two dome teams!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5964359

In regards to not being able to get to the stadium, that is an excuse. Police escorted buses could get them to the game.

Why then do the packers have a waiting list to get season tickets? On really big games you cant find a ticket anywhere What i here you can get tickets any time you want at other stadiums.

Franco
12-29-2010, 02:53 PM
Why then do the packers have a waiting list to get season tickets? On really big games you cant find a ticket anywhere What i here you can get tickets any time you want at other stadiums.

29 of the 32 teams in the NFL have waiting list for season tickets.

I am not disputing the Packers popularity with thier fans. The point I brought up in my previous post is that many of the open-aired stadiums in the upper midwest and northeast aren't delivering the television audiences that the TV networks are paying for. That's because many NFL viewers would rather not watch a game where the weather becomes the biggest factor and not the players.

We all know the old-school NFL teams have a proud and glorious past. The original 10 still play in outdoor stadiums and they are located in the upper midwest and northeast. But, back then, the season was done by Thanksgiving.

Those teams should be embracing the future as much as they are holding onto the past! The future is state-of-the-art stadiums where fans and players can get out of the weather. These new stadiums will allow ownership to make more money. When the new agreement is done (CBA), players pay will go through the roof and ownership is always looking to make more money, it's a buisness first - sport second situation. Just ask the fans in Baltimore as they were none more loyal.

Is it going to take an old-school NFL team to move to another city for the opportunity to make a lot more money and play in a better facility to make fans realize the game has changed? I know the city owns the Packers so they'll probably hold on to old Lambeau but, don't expect to see thier games get televised nationally very much unless they are in the playoffs.

starjack
12-29-2010, 04:14 PM
29 of the 32 teams in the NFL have waiting list for season tickets.

I am not disputing the Packers popularity with thier fans. The point I brought up in my previous post is that many of the open-aired stadiums in the upper midwest and northeast aren't delivering the television audiences that the TV networks are paying for. That's because many NFL viewers would rather not watch a game where the weather becomes the biggest factor and not the players.

We all know the old-school NFL teams have a proud and glorious past. The original 10 still play in outdoor stadiums and they are located in the upper midwest and northeast. But, back then, the season was done by Thanksgiving.

Those teams should be embracing the future as much as they are holding onto the past! The future is state-of-the-art stadiums where fans and players can get out of the weather. These new stadiums will allow ownership to make more money. When the new agreement is done (CBA), players pay will go through the roof and ownership is always looking to make more money, it's a buisness first - sport second situation. Just ask the fans in Baltimore as they were none more loyal.

Is it going to take an old-school NFL team to move to another city for the opportunity to make a lot more money and play in a better facility to make fans realize the game has changed? I know the city owns the Packers so they'll probably hold on to old Lambeau but, don't expect to see thier games get televised nationally very much unless they are in the playoffs.
I am in agreement that is buisness first they need the money to pay for the best talent. But on the other hand Lets say the packer are rolling like your saints or new england. The networks are going to televise those game for sure and if memory serves me isn` there tv revanue sharing.

Franco
12-29-2010, 04:36 PM
I am in agreement that is buisness first they need the money to pay for the best talent. But on the other hand Lets say the packer are rolling like your saints or new england. The networks are going to televise those game for sure and if memory serves me isn` there tv revanue sharing.

Road Kill knows that I have been pulling for a Saints vs Packers NFC Championship game all season long. I expect the Packers to beat the Bears this weekend and then see the two NFC Wildcards sweep the Conference! The only other QB form the NFC I would want on my team if we didn't have Brees is Aaron Rodgers.;-)

Yes, the TV revenue is shared. However, the TV Networks look at the audience delivered by all the games including the regular season. For the last 20 years they have witnessed a decline in ratings of regular season games played in heavy weather elements. Not so much a loss in viewing by the local fans but a loss of viewing on a national broadcast of regular season games played in poor weather.

A couple of weeks ago, a game played by two also rans, I think it was Dallas vs Arizona or another warm climate team had better ratings than two heavy-weights that played thier game in sloppy conditions. I won't name that game but it was two old-school NFL teams. Not the first time it has happened but a clear trend that TV executives won't dismiss because the higher the viewing audience the more they can charge for commercials.

starjack
12-29-2010, 05:12 PM
Road Kill knows that I have been pulling for a Saints vs Packers NFC Championship game all season long. I expect the Packers to beat the Bears this weekend and then see the two NFC Wildcards sweep the Conference! The only other QB form the NFC I would want on my team if we didn't have Brees is Aaron Rodgers.;-)

Yes, the TV revenue is shared. However, the TV Networks look at the audience delivered by all the games including the regular season. For the last 20 years they have witnessed a decline in ratings of regular season games played in heavy weather elements. Not so much a loss in viewing by the local fans but a loss of viewing on a national broadcast of regular season games played in poor weather.

A couple of weeks ago, a game played by two also rans, I think it was Dallas vs Arizona or another warm climate team had better ratings than two heavy-weights that played thier game in sloppy conditions. I won't name that game but it was two old-school NFL teams. Not the first time it has happened but a clear trend that TV executives won't dismiss because the higher the viewing audience the more they can charge for commercials.

We have to get by the bears first. But if the bears were fighting for there spot like the packers i think that would be a highly watched game with the rivelry and all. They did move it to the late game as it is.

T. Mac
12-29-2010, 05:31 PM
29 of the 32 teams in the NFL have waiting list for season tickets.


And we've got 2 of the 3 remaining teams within 90 miles. Where's the third?

dnf777
12-29-2010, 05:41 PM
Those Patriot vs Colt AFC Championship games of the last decade(3 games) were some of the lowest viewed NFL playoff games of the decade!
Even the Steelers with thier two SB's last decade didn't have playoff ratings worth mentioning.

The exception was the Packers vs Giants NFC Championship game in 08.


While this whole discussion seems to revolve around terrible, freezing weather, don't forget the beautiful fall weather those of us in open stadium towns get to enjoy for most of the season. Nothing like 50 degrees, jumbotron, with your city's skyline as the backdrop.

Actually, I prefer this kind of football anyway:

http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae306/dnf777/DSC_0156.jpg

starjack
12-29-2010, 05:46 PM
While this whole discussion seems to revolve around terrible, freezing weather, don't forget the beautiful fall weather those of us in open stadium towns get to enjoy for most of the season. Nothing like 50 degrees, jumbotron, with your city's skyline as the backdrop.

Actually, I prefer this kind of football anyway:

http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae306/dnf777/DSC_0156.jpg

Sure do miss them times. Not just when i played but my son to.

paul young
12-29-2010, 07:35 PM
Road Kill knows that I have been pulling for a Saints vs Packers NFC Championship game all season long. I expect the Packers to beat the Bears this weekend and then see the two NFC Wildcards sweep the Conference! The only other QB form the NFC I would want on my team if we didn't have Brees is Aaron Rodgers.;-)

Yes, the TV revenue is shared. However, the TV Networks look at the audience delivered by all the games including the regular season. For the last 20 years they have witnessed a decline in ratings of regular season games played in heavy weather elements. Not so much a loss in viewing by the local fans but a loss of viewing on a national broadcast of regular season games played in poor weather.

A couple of weeks ago, a game played by two also rans, I think it was Dallas vs Arizona or another warm climate team had better ratings than two heavy-weights that played thier game in sloppy conditions. I won't name that game but it was two old-school NFL teams. Not the first time it has happened but a clear trend that TV executives won't dismiss because the higher the viewing audience the more they can charge for commercials.


i wouldn't even use the energy required to press the buttons on the remote to watch Dallas play Arizona..................

they aspire to be also-rans!-Paul

Buzz
12-29-2010, 08:35 PM
Road Kill knows that I have been pulling for a Saints vs Packers NFC Championship game all season long. I expect the Packers to beat the Bears this weekend and then see the two NFC Wildcards sweep the Conference! The only other QB form the NFC I would want on my team if we didn't have Brees is Aaron Rodgers.;-)



Franco, how do you expect a team that got beat by the Lions to beat the Bears and then sweep the conference? Now you might blame it on Rodgers getting injured, but they didn't do much when he was playing in the first half either.

Wayne Beck
12-29-2010, 08:42 PM
They should move the super bowl from a dome to a open stadium. I would love to see it in green bay.. Damn pussies.. I went to the Eagles game back in the first week of December. It was just a bit chilly.. 26 degrees with 20 mph winds.. It was a great game. I could care less about temperature. I was actually quite pissed when they moved the game from Sunday afternoon to sunday night, then to tuesday. I agreed with Ed Rendell when he called them wussies. Philly was projected to get 8-12 inches which we did get. I think the stadium had 11 inches.. I am so glad my company didnt get that snow removal contract.. All the union operators and hand laborers didnt want to work.. Go figure.. Pay a mexican 15 bucks an hour and they will work 24 hours.

Franco
12-29-2010, 09:45 PM
Franco, how do you expect a team that got beat by the Lions to beat the Bears and then sweep the conference? Now you might blame it on Rodgers getting injured, but they didn't do much when he was playing in the first half either.

1) It's an inter-Division rivalry meaning there really isn't an underdawg with these two teams plus, the game is at Lambeau.
2) The Bears have nothing but pride to play for. I wouldn't be surprised if they rested some players at some point in the game.
3) The Lions aren't as bad as you think they are. Don't forget they got screwed out of a win in the opener and it took them a while to put that game behind them.
4) I remember a team that lost thier last three reg season games last season and went on to win the SB. It's how you play in the second season that counts.
5) Packers have had their ups and downs this season but still a very solid team. They'll beat the Eagles with Vick at QB who has been as inconsistant as they come in big games this season. Then, if they go to Atlanta, they had the Falcons on the ropes till they fumbled at the 1 yard line!

road kill
12-30-2010, 05:52 AM
1) It's an inter-Division rivalry meaning there really isn't an underdawg with these two teams plus, the game is at Lambeau.
2) The Bears have nothing but pride to play for. I wouldn't be surprised if they rested some players at some point in the game.
3) The Lions aren't as bad as you think they are. Don't forget they got screwed out of a win in the opener and it took them a while to put that game behind them.
4) I remember a team that lost thier last three reg season games last season and went on to win the SB. It's how you play in the second season that counts.
5) Packers have had their ups and downs this season but still a very solid team. They'll beat the Eagles with Vick at QB who has been as inconsistant as they come in big games this season. Then, if they go to Atlanta, they had the Falcons on the ropes till they fumbled at the 1 yard line!


Bears could be playing for the #1 seed.

RK

Franco
12-30-2010, 06:00 AM
Bears could be playing for the #1 seed.

RK

Bears will know by gametime if they are playing for #1 but, the situation is highly improbable.

Saints may have thier hands full with a solid 9 -5 Tampa club but, no way do the Falcons get beat by the worse club in the league.

road kill
12-30-2010, 06:01 AM
Bears will know by gametime if they are playing for #1 but, the situation is highly improbable.

Saints may have thier hands full with a solid 9 -5 Tampa club but, no way do the Falcons get beat by the worse club in the league.

Really?????


Well then, let's just cancel those games.:rolleyes:



RK

Franco
12-30-2010, 06:39 AM
Really?????


Well then, let's just cancel those games.:rolleyes:



RK

No way the Falcons get beat by the Panthers. Can you even name the Panthers QB? Besides, the Panthers already have the #1 pick locked up.

road kill
12-30-2010, 06:41 AM
No way the Falcons get beat by the Panthers. Can you even name the Panthers QB? Besides, the Panthers already have the #1 pick locked up.

Brett Favre???;-)


RK

ducknwork
12-31-2010, 07:59 PM
Brett Favre???;-)


RK

That would be a drastic improvement. Concussions included.