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david gibson
12-28-2010, 07:19 PM
http://www.politico.com/click/stories/1012/obama_is_glad_eagles_signed_vick.html


would he have done this for a white player? methinks not. and why wait till the end of the year? why didnt he do it earlier? did he wait till it was safe to do so?

M&K's Retrievers
12-28-2010, 07:45 PM
I truly think his tremendous ego gets in the way of any "brilliance" he may have.

david gibson
12-28-2010, 08:10 PM
I truly think his tremendous ego gets in the way of any "brilliance" he may have.

thats a very good way to put it

Nor_Cal_Angler
12-28-2010, 09:36 PM
http://www.politico.com/click/stories/1012/obama_is_glad_eagles_signed_vick.html


would he have done this for a white player? methinks not. and why wait till the end of the year? why didnt he do it earlier? did he wait till it was safe to do so?

Dave,

While you and I are on the same page about just about all of the topic's of this board, and have if I am not mistaken sometimes even backed each other up with posts about a given subject.

I do think on this one, your reading to much into it....

I heard it this moning while taking in my morning sports talk radio (everyday on the way into work and then pick it back up in the office) I heard the call was with regard to Phili's decision to try to go green at the staduim. The conversastion then turned casuial and Vick was brought up.

So what, if the Pres. commended him. So what if he happened to be Black. Would he have done it for a white person, who cares....

The more this President opens his mouth the better...

I am sure he has now lost the PETA vote....only 900 million special intrest groups to go.

NCA

Buzz
12-29-2010, 09:07 AM
Dave,

While you and I are on the same page about just about all of the topic's of this board, and have if I am not mistaken sometimes even backed each other up with posts about a given subject.

I do think on this one, your reading to much into it....

I heard it this moning while taking in my morning sports talk radio (everyday on the way into work and then pick it back up in the office) I heard the call was with regard to Phili's decision to try to go green at the staduim. The conversastion then turned casuial and Vick was brought up.

So what, if the Pres. commended him. So what if he happened to be Black. Would he have done it for a white person, who cares....

The more this President opens his mouth the better...

I am sure he has now lost the PETA vote....only 900 million special intrest groups to go.

NCA


Faux news pulled this one out of their arses to try and create another controversy out of nothing, and like a good little soldier Gibson jumped on the bandwagon. Paul Joseph Goebbels would be proud.

Ken Bora
12-29-2010, 09:15 AM
Faux news pulled this one out of their arses to try and create another controversy out of nothing, and like a good little soldier Gibson jumped on the bandwagon. Paul Joseph Goebbels would be proud.


Ahhhhhh I don’t know ‘bout that.
Last Eve. On NBC ( National Barack Channel) Costco reported that the purpose of the call was energy savings and Philli going green but the FIRST topic discussed was Vick. Team spokesperson said they were impressed at the depth of knowledge on Vicks year/stats the Fan in Chief had. Also made it clear the President in a Bears fan.




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david gibson
12-29-2010, 09:52 AM
Faux news pulled this one out of their arses to try and create another controversy out of nothing, and like a good little soldier Gibson jumped on the bandwagon. Paul Joseph Goebbels would be proud.

your blind hatred of conservatism rises again to distort your vision of reality.:

"Then, Obama praised Lurie for hiring Vick. Lurie then revealed the private remarks to Sports Illustrated’s Peter King, who then ran the news story. “He said, ‘So many people who serve time never get a fair second chance.’ He said, ‘It’s never a level playing field for prisoners when they get out of jail.’ And he was happy that we did something on such a national stage that showed our faith in giving someone a second chance after such a major downfall.”"

http://news.lalate.com/2010/12/29/obama-michael-vick-remarks-draw-criticism/


from the LA times:
"But Bill Smith, the founder of Main Line Animal Rescue in the Philadelphia area, bristled at Obama's characterization that the Eagles' signing of Vick was motivated by wanting to give a convicted felon a second chance.

"If he couldn't throw a football, he wouldn't have had a second chance," said Smith, who organized a campaign last season to collect food for animal shelters every time Vick was sacked on the field. "This isn't about giving anyone a second chance; it's about who can make the Eagles organization more money.""

and even YOUR side - admittedly progressive MSNBC - ran with the vick angle as the MAIN EVENT ignoring the "greenness" of the stadium:

http://bltwy.msnbc.msn.com/politics/dec-28-obama-says-vick-deserved-a-second-chance-and-gillibrand-parts-ways-with-country-home-9271.gallery

"Obama calls Eagles, says Vick deserved 2nd chance: Do you think he'll call Betty Ford next to give them the thumbs up on Lindsay Lo?! President Obama made a surprise call to Philadelphia Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie, praising him and the team for taking on Michael Vick after he was released from 21 months in jail for running a dog fighting ring"

well then, it appears Fox was not he one to run and distort the story, was it?

so your attempt to discredit me and FOX News (fair and balanced, just like MSNBC) = FAILURE

Blackstone
12-29-2010, 10:59 AM
I agree with NCA. It's a story that hardly deserves any scrutiny. Much ado about nothing. You're really reaching to find fault on this one.

Buzz
12-29-2010, 12:09 PM
Ahhhhhh I don’t know ‘bout that.
Last Eve. On NBC ( National Barack Channel) Costco reported that the purpose of the call was energy savings and Philli going green but the FIRST topic discussed was Vick. Team spokesperson said they were impressed at the depth of knowledge on Vicks year/stats the Fan in Chief had. Also made it clear the President in a Bears fan.




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If you watch closely, which I do, you'll notice that these types of story begin with outrage at Faux News and then begin to trickle into the MSM over the following days. Note that I do not consider Faux part of the MSM. They are an arm of the RNC and propaganda machine for the right pure and simple.

It bears repeating, Paul Joseph Goebbels would be proud.

david gibson
12-29-2010, 12:10 PM
I agree with NCA. It's a story that hardly deserves any scrutiny. Much ado about nothing. You're really reaching to find fault on this one.

really? thats why msnbc and pretty much everyone else did a story too? sorry, i didnt realize it was such a non event.:rolleyes:

so a guy gets a great second chance - arguably just because he is a good athlete and can make a lot of money for the guy who gives him that second chance. who else gets such a 2nd chance? very few. obama makes a call to commend the guy who gave his little golden goose that second chance. what a crock of crap - lurie only gave him the chance for $$$$, he doesnt give a rats arse about second chances. show me where he has hired a bunch of ex-cons for other positions in his businesses. nothing like seeing millionaires pat each other on the back for helping out another millionaire. isnt that what you guys accuse conservatives of all the time? so would obama have made the call if it was rothlesberger? who knows, but its my opinion and guess what - i am entitled to it although most of you "independents" feel otherwise.

david gibson
12-29-2010, 12:21 PM
If you watch closely, which I do, you'll notice that these types of story begin with outrage at Faux News and then begin to trickle into the MSM over the following days. Note that I do not consider Faux part of the MSM. They are an arm of the RNC and propaganda machine for the right pure and simple.

It bears repeating, Paul Joseph Goebbels would be proud.

so you continue to ignore that it was Sports Illustrated, not Fox, that broke the story with that particular angle? of course you do, you have to blame fox for everything. SI did not do the story because they saw it on Fox, it was the other way around.

Buzz
12-29-2010, 12:35 PM
No wonder you guys don't like Bush...



One of the final pieces of legislation that President George W. Bush signed before leaving office was the Second Chance Act, appropriate for a man who originally ran on a "compassionate conservatism" platform. The law seeks to improve the lives and prospects of people returning to the larger community from prison.

According to the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics, in 2008, more than 7.3 million people were on probation or parole or in prison — 3.2 percent of all adult residents and the highest rate in the world. The aggregate federal and state incarceration expenditures alone (not including prosecution, probation, etc.) exceed $50 billion.

So, in many respects, Americans have a vested interest in helping those who err and pay the price — especially non-violent criminals — return to society as productive members and not remain prisoners (literally and figuratively) of the state.

It is an issue that should transcend political ideology, too. Liberals, after all, profess tolerance for those who make mistakes. Conservatives embrace personal responsibility, but should also want those who accept it to become contributors to society again rather than just consumers of its resources. And as a religious nation, many proclaim to believe in redemption.

I have a vested interest in this issue. I have a pathological gambling addiction that eventually landed me in federal prisons for 25 months in the prime of my life and left my family without a husband and father.

I have an unusual record of recovery without relapse during the past eight years. Additionally, I have recovered tens of millions of dollars for taxpayers after successfully settling a health care whistleblower lawsuit. But while I am proud of my abstinence from gambling and my success in uncovering health care fraud my other professional accomplishments during that time are paltry — largely, I believe, due to my felon status.

Buzz
12-29-2010, 12:36 PM
so you continue to ignore that it was Sports Illustrated, not Fox, that broke the story with that particular angle? of course you do, you have to blame fox for everything. SI did not do the story because they saw it on Fox, it was the other way around.


No, it was Faux that added the editorial flair to the story!

Nor_Cal_Angler
12-29-2010, 12:46 PM
If you watch closely, which I do, you'll notice that these types of story begin with outrage at Faux News and then begin to trickle into the MSM over the following days. Note that I do not consider Faux part of the MSM. They are an arm of the RNC and propaganda machine for the right pure and simple.

It bears repeating, Paul Joseph Goebbels would be proud.

BUZZ, seriously if you watched closely you would or should note that the entire MSM is an arm on the DNC and propaganda machine for the left pure and simple....Faux does their part to counter that.

I know and all should agree with you that Fox is an arm for the right....but your lack of ackowledgement consistantly that the rest of the media outlets are not biased towards the DNC and progressive movement goes to show that Dave is accurate...you do have a "BLIND" spot.


really? thats why msnbc and pretty much everyone else did a story too? sorry, i didnt realize it was such a non event.:rolleyes:

so a guy gets a great second chance - arguably just because he is a good athlete and can make a lot of money for the guy who gives him that second chance. who else gets such a 2nd chance? very few. obama makes a call to commend the guy who gave his little golden goose that second chance. what a crock of crap - lurie only gave him the chance for $$$$, he doesnt give a rats arse about second chances. show me where he has hired a bunch of ex-cons for other positions in his businesses. nothing like seeing millionaires pat each other on the back for helping out another millionaire. isnt that what you guys accuse conservatives of all the time? so would obama have made the call if it was rothlesberger? who knows, but its my opinion and guess what - i am entitled to it although most of you "independents" feel otherwise.

Dave,

You beat me to it....I was thinking about it and this is not word for word what I would have brought up but very close.

I could care less that he is black, and that is the part that I ment to or should have clairfied with my orgional point. The part that needs noting is the probable reasoning behinde the move was MONEY....M. Vick is a money maker, the Eagles knew this and they jumped....It had nothing (in my book) to do with giving a second chance.

The President was giving one of his PR fluff jobs, someone on his staff recommended he do it and he did.

Just you wait, I can see it now....some form of legislation or proposal will come from the WH with regard to giving convicts a second chance and...wait...wait...becasue the premiss of the call was with regard to going green and energy conservation measures...they will be offering our wealth re-distribution as a means to entice employers to hire....Grants from the government for hiring convicts to work in the green energy field...

Ohhh it will be so heavenly....you are doing your part...Hire convicts, positive change in the green energy field....and all on the public dime....

Hey, we get to pay for their housing, clothing, food, healthcare while their locked up....why not pay for their jobs once their out.

NCA

david gibson
12-29-2010, 12:46 PM
No, it was Faux that added the editorial flair to the story!

ummm, you are still wrong. you are so blinded to truth it is pathetic.

http://www.necn.com/12/29/10/Obamas-support-of-hiring-Michael-Vick-ga/landing_nation.html?blockID=381312&feedID=4207

"One thing seems certain -- Obama's call to Philadelphia Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie was never supposed to go public. But, it did when Sports Illustrated's Peter King broke the news.

Once the story was out, the White House quickly said the reason the President called Lurie was to discuss plans the owner had to improve energy efficiency at Lincoln Financial Field. Then, the conversation turned to other issues -- with Obama complimenting the Eagles for giving quarterback Michael Vick a second chance."


now, basic reading comprehension tells you that Peter King went public with what was supposed to be a private phone call. Then the WH spun it to improve their image. Once King went public - all other news agencies - Fox and MSNBC included, take that news wire and air it. The MSNBC and Fox and Huffington and all others vary very little in this story. please show me the unique editorial spin that Fox applied that is untrue, and please show me where MSNBC reports on the "greening" discussion more than the Vick statement.

once again - your attempt = FAILURE

david gibson
12-29-2010, 01:00 PM
Dave,

You beat me to it....I was thinking about it and this is not word for word what I would have brought up but very close

.....snip.....

Just you wait, I can see it now....some form of legislation or proposal will come from the WH with regard to giving convicts a second chance and...wait...wait...becasue the premiss of the call was with regard to going green and energy conservation measures...they will be offering our wealth re-distribution as a means to entice employers to hire....Grants from the government for hiring convicts to work in the green energy field...

Ohhh it will be so heavenly....you are doing your part...Hire convicts, positive change in the green energy field....and all on the public dime....

Hey, we get to pay for their housing, clothing, food, healthcare while their locked up....why not pay for their jobs once their out.

NCA

here is an example of someone doing it right:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/facebook/7356837.html

funny this made the paper just today - when will the Half Muslim Animal Abuse Apologist call him? and actually this guy is a friend of mine - he built a sweet little pond on his site and lets me use it whenever i want for swimby work

Blackstone
12-29-2010, 01:17 PM
really? thats why msnbc and pretty much everyone else did a story too? sorry, i didnt realize it was such a non event.:rolleyes:

so a guy gets a great second chance - arguably just because he is a good athlete and can make a lot of money for the guy who gives him that second chance. who else gets such a 2nd chance? very few. obama makes a call to commend the guy who gave his little golden goose that second chance. what a crock of crap - lurie only gave him the chance for $$$$, he doesnt give a rats arse about second chances. show me where he has hired a bunch of ex-cons for other positions in his businesses. nothing like seeing millionaires pat each other on the back for helping out another millionaire. isnt that what you guys accuse conservatives of all the time? so would obama have made the call if it was rothlesberger? who knows, but its my opinion and guess what - i am entitled to it although most of you "independents" feel otherwise.

You're right, you have the right to an opinion. But, as far as I'm concerned, it is a "non-event." Just because the news networks decided to report on it, doesn't mean it's of great importance. It deserved to be a blurb on the news at best, and certainly didn't deserve being analyzed in depth to look for a way to bash Obama and turn it into a racial issue. Like I said, you're really reaching this time.

menmon
12-29-2010, 01:27 PM
This is not news to begin with......I hope you do not select your presidents based on this type of rhetoric. Buzz hit the nail on the head...this is just something for you cable junkies to feed on. :-P

david gibson
12-29-2010, 01:41 PM
You're right, you have the right to an opinion. But, as far as I'm concerned, it is a "non-event." Just because the news networks decided to report on it, doesn't mean it's of great importance. It deserved to be a blurb on the news at best, and certainly didn't deserve being analyzed in depth to look for a way to bash Obama and turn it into a racial issue. Like I said, you're really reaching this time.

of course, anything negative about your messiah is "nothing to worry about"
it all adds up to one thing - the boonoggle of a president we have "leading" this country.....

gman0046
12-29-2010, 01:57 PM
Is Vick a muslim?

Blackstone
12-29-2010, 02:05 PM
of course, anything negative about your messiah is "nothing to worry about"
it all adds up to one thing - the boonoggle of a president we have "leading" this country.....

More accurately, anything this ridiculous is "nothing to worry about."

My messaiah?:rolleyes: That's funny because I never thought of him that way. However, you must regard him with greater reverence than you're willing to admit since you seem to like to refer to him in religious terms.

menmon
12-29-2010, 02:24 PM
of course, anything negative about your messiah is "nothing to worry about"
it all adds up to one thing - the boonoggle of a president we have "leading" this country.....

My days are too full for this stuff. Tell me something important that matters. I'm so tired of spin on words to make your team look better. Find something that matters and lets discuss it. If you find something that is real I'll listen with all ears but this bashing is getting old.

david gibson
12-29-2010, 02:34 PM
My days are too full for this stuff. Tell me something important that matters. I'm so tired of spin on words to make your team look better. Find something that matters and lets discuss it. If you find something that is real I'll listen with all ears but this bashing is getting old.

you are more than welcome to leave the discussion. my apologies, i was unaware that all discussions had to pass muster with you.

menmon
12-29-2010, 02:42 PM
you are more than welcome to leave the discussion. my apologies, i was unaware that all discussions had to pass muster with you.

Ok I will....

Nor_Cal_Angler
12-29-2010, 05:49 PM
here is an example of someone doing it right:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/facebook/7356837.html

funny this made the paper just today - when will the Half Muslim Animal Abuse Apologist call him? and actually this guy is a friend of mine - he built a sweet little pond on his site and lets me use it whenever i want for swimby work

That was a good read...I can tell you from personal experience that one of the most caring, concerned just all around good guys I have met is a gentleman down on my boat dock.

His boat is sliped 6 away from mine and he is a convict. He did 15 Yrs at Pelican Bay, he has admitted to some pretty fouled up stuff. But he has righted the wrong and is on his way to a full life.

He too had issues finding work...he is tattooed to the hilt...big long gotee, and is 6'3" prob. 375 lbs...yea the wasit doent match the height if you know what I mean...Dude looks the part of a SERIOUS BAD ASS MF. After 2 years of slopping suds on floors he said screw this and spoke to a few people (business owners) asked them what it took and then he took the plundge...

He know owns and opperates a VERY respecful moving service...he started out by himself, and yea at first he lost a lot of business due to his appearance. But soon after that one person gave him a chance word got out that he was a honest man looking for honest work. He now last I talked to him about his company, employs 8 plus himself. I think 4-5 of his employees are convicts. I know 1 of them isnt it is his office assistant. But hey we havent spoken in sometime and with the market the way it is regarding foreclosures and people moving maybe he has actually had an increase in business.

NCA