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Doc E
01-05-2011, 12:16 PM
As part of the Tax Relief, Unemployment Insurance Reauthorization and Job Creation Act of 2010 that was recently signed into law, the 2011 Social Security tax rate has been reduced from 6.2% to 4.2% effective January 1, 2011. This 2% decrease reduces applicable Social Security tax that will be deducted from your pay during 2011.

You don't owe 6.2% as has been the case, you owe 4.2%. The employer still pays 6.2% on your behalf. So instead of a total of 12.4% of your wages going to SS, 10.4% does. It is seen as a way to give wage earners a tax break. :confused:

t doesn't make much sense to rob from an account that is already paying out more than it is taking in. :rolleyes:


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Buzz
01-05-2011, 12:42 PM
As part of the Tax Relief, Unemployment Insurance Reauthorization and Job Creation Act of 2010 that was recently signed into law, the 2011 Social Security tax rate has been reduced from 6.2% to 4.2% effective January 1, 2011. This 2% decrease reduces applicable Social Security tax that will be deducted from your pay during 2011.

You don't owe 6.2% as has been the case, you owe 4.2%. The employer still pays 6.2% on your behalf. So instead of a total of 12.4% of your wages going to SS, 10.4% does. It is seen as a way to give wage earners a tax break. :confused:

t doesn't make much sense to rob from an account that is already paying out more than it is taking in. :rolleyes:


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Where did you hear that it's paying out more than it's taking in? That is simply not true. Right now and in prior years it has been running a surplus. With that surplus, there have been government bonds bought with the money and it was spent, partly to finance deficit spending. That's what the social security trust fund is. One thing that has gotten everyone in Washington bent out of shape is that when it does start paying out more than it's taking in, the government will need to make good on those bonds to send money to SS beneficiaries. Where will that money come from? Well, the government through money takes in with taxes will have to pay it back so those drawing SS can get their checks. SS is supposed to be off budget, but making good on those bonds will explode the budget, thus all the panic you're hearing now.

Personally, I think it's a TERRIBLE precedent to set "temporarily" reducing this tax. I think it puts on a clearer path to the destruction of Social Security. And just wait till this "temporary" reduction is supposed to expire. Oh the horror, the government is about to increase your taxes!!!!!!:rolleyes:

luvmylabs23139
01-05-2011, 12:45 PM
Personally, I think it's a TERRIBLE president


Buzz,
Are you finally seeing the light?:D

Buzz
01-05-2011, 12:52 PM
Buzz,
Are you finally seeing the light?:D


Nice misspelling huh?

And to be clear, I do NOT think that Obama has been a good president. Maybe I should spell out my reasons sometime. I just get into a mode of defending him, because I think a lot of criticism I've seen is just mud thrown against the wall to see what sticks.

Would precedent work better in the context of my statement above???? ;-)

paul young
01-05-2011, 02:05 PM
10.4% would probably be plenty if the politicians would stop pilfering the fund.

and yes, it doesn't set a good precedent to do this "temporarily".-Paul

Cody Covey
01-05-2011, 04:07 PM
how do they calculate the amount given per month? if you make 40000 a year from the time you are 20 until 65 that is only 180000 into ss. that amount of money will only last a couple years...

hotel4dogs
01-05-2011, 04:11 PM
wonder why, as an employer, I didn't receive notice of this? Or maybe I did, and, like all communication from the gov't, trashed it without reading it.
Does this mean I'm supposed to be adjusting my withholding?

luvmylabs23139
01-05-2011, 04:35 PM
wonder why, as an employer, I didn't receive notice of this? Or maybe I did, and, like all communication from the gov't, trashed it without reading it.
Does this mean I'm supposed to be adjusting my withholding?

2011 circular E should have the information, however who knows if they have printed and mailed them with the correct info for 2011.
It is updated in the online version.
That is available at IRS.gov. It may be listed as publication 15.

hotel4dogs
01-05-2011, 05:11 PM
thanks, I'll go take a look


2011 circular E should have the information, however who knows if they have printed and mailed them with the correct info for 2011.
It is updated in the online version.
That is available at IRS.gov. It may be listed as publication 15.

paul young
01-05-2011, 05:41 PM
how do they calculate the amount given per month? if you make 40000 a year from the time you are 20 until 65 that is only 180000 into ss. that amount of money will only last a couple years...

the principal is/was supposed to be invested and earn interest over that time, so the 180K contributed SHOULD actually be substantially more.

using your math, in my personal case, that would be about 9 years of benefits.

have you looked at an actuarial table for American males? it ain't a pretty picture. MANY people die before they get even 1 check. check out the obituaries in your local paper. it's pretty sobering...-Paul

dnf777
01-05-2011, 05:52 PM
have you looked at an actuarial table for American males? it ain't a pretty picture. MANY people die before they get even 1 check. check out the obituaries in your local paper. it's pretty sobering...-Paul


Paul, that is a point often overlooked. Our life expectancies have likely peaked, and will begin to decline. The obesity rate will predict this, and sadly, the childhood obesity rate (which still hasn't plateaued) will ensure a lengthy trend.

While this may help SS remain solvent, the flip side is many of these same people who will die younger, are NOT working during their productive years. Instead they are on disability for chronic back pain, depression, heart failure, etc...

Buzz
01-05-2011, 09:06 PM
how do they calculate the amount given per month? if you make 40000 a year from the time you are 20 until 65 that is only 180000 into ss. that amount of money will only last a couple years...

The SS administration publishes the calculation. I have worked it out before but I don't have the patience to track it down right now. It is not a very favorable calculation to those who have contributed the most.

Anyhow, at 12.2% paid into social security on $40k a year, that comes out to $4880/year. Over 45 years the total is $219,000. Lets assume however that instead of just stuffing that money into a mattress it is invested in an account that pays 3% annually. Lets assume that you deposit the money at the end of the first year and do the same at the end of each year for 45 years. At the end of 45 years you've accumulated just over $450,000. Then lets assume you have one child and you make that child a deal. You'll lend that child the entire $450,000 for a mortgage on a house. You want 3% interest and you want the loan to be paid back monthly for 15 years. Your child will be responsible for paying you just over $3000/month.

I've paid in the maximum for over 15 years, so I have averaged a bit more than $40,000 over that time. I started paying in the first time in 1974, so I've been paying for 36 years so far and will keep paying hopefully for another 17, for a total of 53 years. The calculation told me that my max benefit would be right around $2000/month. Hope I live longer than 15 years after retirement!;-)

But the fact is, I will probably be told to go screw myself, YOU GET NOTHING!

Of course there is the complication of inflation and variable earnings.

Doc E
01-05-2011, 09:10 PM
how do they calculate the amount given per month? if you make 40000 a year from the time you are 20 until 65 that is only 180000 into ss. that amount of money will only last a couple years...

I can tell by your post that you're a youngster (compared to me). When I first started paying into SS (at age 15) a really really nice income was $8000 a year (that would have been in 1958).
My current "rocking chair" money from SS is $2172 a month (I am now -- and started drawing SS at age 67).



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Buzz
01-05-2011, 09:17 PM
I can tell by your post that you're a youngster (compared to me). When I first started paying into SS (at age 15) a really really nice income was $8000 a year (that would have been in 1958).
My current "rocking chair" money from SS is $2172 a month (I am now -- and started drawing SS at age 67).



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I started paying into SS at around 14 or 15. I remember going to school for engineering back in the 1970's and we were drooling over starting salaries of about $22,000. We could not imagine being able to spend that much money!

Franco
01-05-2011, 10:07 PM
I would imagine you are both talking about money at full retirement age. I glanced at the statement I received from SS a couple of months ago as I've been paying into it since the late 60's. It will come in handy down in Costa Rica. Just glad they offer Direct Deposit because I don't know how dependable the Costa Rican postal system is.

Like I said, I just glanced at it. Didn't they increase retirement age? Maybe moved the early option from 59.5 to 62.5 and full from 65 to 67 just recently?

luvmylabs23139
01-05-2011, 10:22 PM
The ages were raised back in 1983

Age To Receive Full Social Security Benefits Year of Birth
Full Retirement Age
1937 or earlier (http://www.retrievertraining.net/retirement/1937.html)
65
1938 (http://www.retrievertraining.net/retirement/1938.html)
65 and 2 months
1939 (http://www.retrievertraining.net/retirement/1939.html)
65 and 4 months
1940 (http://www.retrievertraining.net/retirement/1940.html)
65 and 6 months
1941 (http://www.retrievertraining.net/retirement/1941.html)
65 and 8 months
1942 (http://www.retrievertraining.net/retirement/1942.html)
65 and 10 months
1943--1954 (http://www.retrievertraining.net/retirement/1943.html)
66
1955 (http://www.retrievertraining.net/retirement/1955.html)
66 and 2 months
1956 (http://www.retrievertraining.net/retirement/1956.html)
66 and 4 months
1957 (http://www.retrievertraining.net/retirement/1957.html)
66 and 6 months
1958 (http://www.retrievertraining.net/retirement/1958.html)
66 and 8 months
1959 (http://www.retrievertraining.net/retirement/1959.html)
66 and 10 months
1960 and later (http://www.retrievertraining.net/retirement/1960.html)
67

JDogger
01-05-2011, 11:09 PM
The ages were raised back in 1983

Age To Receive Full Social Security Benefits Year of Birth
Full Retirement Age
1937 or earlier (http://www.retrievertraining.net/retirement/1937.html)
65
1938 (http://www.retrievertraining.net/retirement/1938.html)
65 and 2 months
1939 (http://www.retrievertraining.net/retirement/1939.html)
65 and 4 months
1940 (http://www.retrievertraining.net/retirement/1940.html)
65 and 6 months
1941 (http://www.retrievertraining.net/retirement/1941.html)
65 and 8 months
1942 (http://www.retrievertraining.net/retirement/1942.html)
65 and 10 months
1943--1954 (http://www.retrievertraining.net/retirement/1943.html)
66
1955 (http://www.retrievertraining.net/retirement/1955.html)
66 and 2 months
1956 (http://www.retrievertraining.net/retirement/1956.html)
66 and 4 months
1957 (http://www.retrievertraining.net/retirement/1957.html)
66 and 6 months
1958 (http://www.retrievertraining.net/retirement/1958.html)
66 and 8 months
1959 (http://www.retrievertraining.net/retirement/1959.html)
66 and 10 months
1960 and later (http://www.retrievertraining.net/retirement/1960.html)
67


Personally luvy, I don't think resident aliens should get squat. Particularly those that piss and moan to the degree that you do. You want something, get it from GB, your native country. You want something from us, become a citizen. I don't care what you paid in, you deserve nothing. JD
AM I CLEAR?
JD
Now, maybe one of the snarks will come to your defense...

Nor_Cal_Angler
01-06-2011, 12:25 AM
Personally luvy, I don't think resident aliens should get squat. Particularly those that piss and moan to the degree that you do. You want something, get it from GB, your native country. You want something from us, become a citizen. I don't care what you paid in, you deserve nothing. JD
AM I CLEAR?
JD
Now, maybe one of the snarks will come to your defense...


Would that SOMETHING LUV wants....and DESERVES.....be anything like what you spouted below?????

Short term can be a BITCH....;-);-)


04-26-2010, 10:07 AM #35
JDogger




Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: MRGV New Mexico
Posts: 1,617


14th Amendment Section 1

1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

I guess you missed this part. It says any person, not any citizen, within the jurisdiction of the state shall have equal protection. This has been tested and upheld by the SCOTUS, most notably http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_v...d_of_Education
__________________
One cannot reason someone out of something they were not reasoned into. - Jonathan Swift


Just saying.....the LAW does allow for LUV to draw...as long as LUV worked for 10 years here on good old US SOIL...and LUV kept the green card in GOOD LEGAL STANDING....now I do recall your above post was in regards to saying that we as a ohhhh so tolerant nation can not disregard the LAW of the 14th that states ANY person....can not be denied the rights and PROTECTION of the LAW....

SHORT TERM IS A BITCH.....

NCA

JDogger
01-06-2011, 02:16 AM
Would that SOMETHING LUV wants....and DESERVES.....be anything like what you spouted below?????

Short term can be a BITCH....;-);-)


04-26-2010, 10:07 AM #35
JDogger




Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: MRGV New Mexico
Posts: 1,617


14th Amendment Section 1

1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

I guess you missed this part. It says any person, not any citizen, within the jurisdiction of the state shall have equal protection. This has been tested and upheld by the SCOTUS, most notably http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_v...d_of_Education
__________________
One cannot reason someone out of something they were not reasoned into. - Jonathan Swift


Just saying.....the LAW does allow for LUV to draw...as long as LUV worked for 10 years here on good old US SOIL...and LUV kept the green card in GOOD LEGAL STANDING....now I do recall your above post was in regards to saying that we as a ohhhh so tolerant nation can not disregard the LAW of the 14th that states ANY person....can not be denied the rights and PROTECTION of the LAW....

SHORT TERM IS A BITCH.....

NCA

Good...you pay her. If short term is a bitch... then call her short term.

How did that startin' a JH thing two years ago work out? JD

david gibson
01-06-2011, 08:28 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>
JDogger wrote: Personally luvy, I don't think resident aliens should get squat. Particularly those that piss and moan to the degree that you do. You want something, get it from GB, your native country. You want something from us, become a citizen. I don't care what you paid in, you deserve nothing. JD
AM I CLEAR?
<<<<<<<<<<<<


REALLY???
so non-citizens committing acts of terrorism against us on foreign soil deserve all the same protection and rights of any US citizen here at home would get in a criminal case, and undocumented, illegal aliens that break the law and sneak across the border deserve free medical care, education for their kids, welfare, food stamps, etc even though they pay no taxes and send much of their cash home, but a LEGAL resident alien who pays into the SS system deserves nothing?

ducknwork
01-06-2011, 10:18 AM
so non-citizens committing acts of terrorism against us on foreign soil deserve all the same protection and rights of any US citizen here at home would get in a criminal case, and undocumented, illegal aliens that break the law and sneak across the border deserve free medical care, education for their kids, welfare, food stamps, etc even though they pay no taxes and send much of their cash home, but a LEGAL resident alien who pays into the SS system deserves nothing?

Yep, that's exactly the way it works. Makes sense, right?

Can't wait to see the spin on that one from JD...:rolleyes:

Nor_Cal_Angler
01-06-2011, 11:46 AM
Good...you pay her. If short term is a bitch... then call her short term.

How did that startin' a JH thing two years ago work out? JD

It worked out fine for the few months I did it....then I found that like most things and people.....IT IS OVER RATED!!!!!!!

His first go...my fault. His second His fault...his last two were a walk in the park.

I gave it up...I dont need a ribbon or title....and he doesnt either!!!!!!

What I need is a dog that will double or triple a blind in a actual HUNT and he does that better than any dog I have had or have hunt with. He also works a field for upland better than any dog I have had or have hunt with.

I guess my weekend warrior will have to be satisfied with being a dog that hunts to hunt...not be good behind a piece of fabric, heel to two pieces of ribbon on the ground, wait for a few caged birds to "magicly" pop up and be shot by someone hiding behind a few other pieces of fabric, pretend to be intrested race to them, pick them up, bring them back and then get holed up in a car for a long period of time and finally at the end of what I can only imagine is a boring day for him get a stupid ass ribbon he could careless about.

So if your concern for my 2 year old Sig, on my dogs HT status is that important to you...let me put it to bed for you...

HE DOESNT GIVE TWO S#!TS about it...and neither does his owner. I didnt come to this forum to rack up paperwork and ribbons, I came here to get some basic insight on how to SELF train my dog and that is exactly what I accomplished...he made two passes, and would walk right through his next two...prob would do well at SH as well, might not make it beyond that but like I said....HE doesnt CARE.

He cares about....REAL Land Blinds, Real Boat Blinds, Real birds that get called in, and BITCHES in HEAT (and that damn yorky next door is driving him crazy:rolleyes::rolleyes:)

Worry less about my dogs accolades, and more about your hypocrisy regards,

NCA

luvmylabs23139
01-06-2011, 12:25 PM
Personally luvy, I don't think resident aliens should get squat. Particularly those that piss and moan to the degree that you do. You want something, get it from GB, your native country. You want something from us, become a citizen. I don't care what you paid in, you deserve nothing. JD
AM I CLEAR?
JD
Now, maybe one of the snarks will come to your defense...

So lets see. I made 2 posts on this thread, neither of which was a political comment.
One was a reply as to where to find the current correct SS witholding info for an employer. The second one was a response as to the current retirement age which tends to be reported in all media sources in a technically correct manner while also being very misleading.
What did I say that deserves an attack?
By the way don't you think that if the law were changed to require citizenship in order to recover money that has been confiscated by the US gov't from me for more than 30 years I would become a citizen for no other reason to get back my hard earned money?:rolleyes::rolleyes:

ducknwork
01-06-2011, 03:00 PM
FOAD DG

You have said this approximately three bazillion times in the last couple of days. What did I miss????:confused:

ducknwork
01-06-2011, 03:27 PM
Okay...That is kinda what I guessed by using my super duper deductive reasoning and reading comprehension skills.

Who's Gary Rafferty? Too young to know apparently...

Cody Covey
01-06-2011, 04:25 PM
The SS administration publishes the calculation. I have worked it out before but I don't have the patience to track it down right now. It is not a very favorable calculation to those who have contributed the most.

Anyhow, at 12.2% paid into social security on $40k a year, that comes out to $4880/year. Over 45 years the total is $219,000. Lets assume however that instead of just stuffing that money into a mattress it is invested in an account that pays 3% annually. Lets assume that you deposit the money at the end of the first year and do the same at the end of each year for 45 years. At the end of 45 years you've accumulated just over $450,000. Then lets assume you have one child and you make that child a deal. You'll lend that child the entire $450,000 for a mortgage on a house. You want 3% interest and you want the loan to be paid back monthly for 15 years. Your child will be responsible for paying you just over $3000/month.

I've paid in the maximum for over 15 years, so I have averaged a bit more than $40,000 over that time. I started paying in the first time in 1974, so I've been paying for 36 years so far and will keep paying hopefully for another 17, for a total of 53 years. The calculation told me that my max benefit would be right around $2000/month. Hope I live longer than 15 years after retirement!;-)

But the fact is, I will probably be told to go screw myself, YOU GET NOTHING!

Of course there is the complication of inflation and variable earnings.
Sorry my calculations were off of a 2% reductions sense someone said that 10% would be more than enough to live off of. Either way I don't see how anyone was ever duped into believing that SS would fulfill retirement needs. 2000 a month is hardly anything and that is with you paying in max for at least 15 years. If the fund really is an off the budget fund I also fail to see how being able to opt out would crash the system. Hell you can keep the amount I've already paid in. I would rather take MY 12% and place it somewhere getting interest. and the people that want to let the government be their savings account are more than welcome to.

And yes Doc I'm 23 so SS is a ways off and not always on the forefront of thought for me...hence I had the question :)

troy schwab
01-06-2011, 04:25 PM
Damn it...... DNF flipped and I missed it...... jealous regards.......

duckheads
01-06-2011, 04:34 PM
And the steeler wheels wasn't it? Stuck in the middle with you, Bakers street. Dang youngsters! scares the hell out of me when i use a line from Deliverence and the kid has no idea what I am talking about. you age yourself real quick! Duck, you heard of Deliverence? and it's Gerry! Definitely not a legend, liked his music but not a legend.

david gibson
01-06-2011, 04:40 PM
Yep, that's exactly the way it works. Makes sense, right?

Can't wait to see the spin on that one from JD...:rolleyes:

still no spin on that post #20.....

paul young
01-06-2011, 05:40 PM
Sorry my calculations were off of a 2% reductions sense someone said that 10% would be more than enough to live off of. Either way I don't see how anyone was ever duped into believing that SS would fulfill retirement needs. 2000 a month is hardly anything and that is with you paying in max for at least 15 years. If the fund really is an off the budget fund I also fail to see how being able to opt out would crash the system. Hell you can keep the amount I've already paid in. I would rather take MY 12% and place it somewhere getting interest. and the people that want to let the government be their savings account are more than welcome to.

And yes Doc I'm 23 so SS is a ways off and not always on the forefront of thought for me...hence I had the question :)



no, that's not what i said at all. i said that 10% of your earnings paid into social security over 40 years, if allowed to accrue a modest interest rate, would cover the payout of your social security fund if you lived another 15 or so years after retirement.

in my opinion, that would only be about 35-40% of what you need at retirement to maintain a decent quality of life. and that's at present. by the time you retire, you may need substantially more to maintain your standard of living. save every dollar you can, and depend on no one's help, would be my advice.-Paul

Marvin S
01-06-2011, 06:37 PM
As part of the Tax Relief, Unemployment Insurance Reauthorization and Job Creation Act of 2010 that was recently signed into law, the 2011 Social Security tax rate has been reduced from 6.2% to 4.2% effective January 1, 2011. This 2% decrease reduces applicable Social Security tax that will be deducted from your pay during 2011.

You don't owe 6.2% as has been the case, you owe 4.2%. The employer still pays 6.2% on your behalf. So instead of a total of 12.4% of your wages going to SS, 10.4% does. It is seen as a way to give wage earners a tax break. :confused:

t doesn't make much sense to rob from an account that is already paying out more than it is taking in. :rolleyes:

There is nothing that prevents the wage earner from saving that money to invest, which is what we would have done. There is nothing that says it has to be spent.

Some advice for the youngsters - be sure your retirement stool has 4 legs, possibly 5. Those would be SS, Job related, investment stocks as both Mutual Funds & individual stocks, quality Bonds & enough savings to live a minimum of 1 year through a catastrophe (meaning more cash related, savings, CD's that equal more than 1 years livng expenses). If you don't have that you can't afford to retire................

Compounding is a wonderful thing. Had the feds invested those monies paid in since I was a Paperboy at 12, in T-bonds at the current rate when the money was earned, bought a little disability coverage, there would be a nice pile to tide us over in our golden years.

But, you have to remember, SS was also an insurance plan which guaranteed an income, however meager to your survivors or to yourself in case of disability.

IMO, this is a 1st step toward private accounts which IMO would be the salvation of this program for the youngsters, which all of you who have posted are :).

Doc E
01-06-2011, 08:18 PM
Those would be SS, Job related, investment stocks as both Mutual Funds & individual stocks, quality Bonds & enough savings to live a minimum of 1 year through a catastrophe (meaning more cash related, savings, CD's that equal more than 1 years livng expenses).


Don't forget 15% to 20% of "market" investments in Precious Metals.
Silver is ready to really bust out.



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charly_t
01-06-2011, 08:38 PM
It worked out fine for the few months I did it....then I found that like most things and people.....IT IS OVER RATED!!!!!!!

His first go...my fault. His second His fault...his last two were a walk in the park.

I gave it up...I dont need a ribbon or title....and he doesnt either!!!!!!

What I need is a dog that will double or triple a blind in a actual HUNT and he does that better than any dog I have had or have hunt with. He also works a field for upland better than any dog I have had or have hunt with.

I guess my weekend warrior will have to be satisfied with being a dog that hunts to hunt...not be good behind a piece of fabric, heel to two pieces of ribbon on the ground, wait for a few caged birds to "magicly" pop up and be shot by someone hiding behind a few other pieces of fabric, pretend to be intrested race to them, pick them up, bring them back and then get holed up in a car for a long period of time and finally at the end of what I can only imagine is a boring day for him get a stupid ass ribbon he could careless about.

So if your concern for my 2 year old Sig, on my dogs HT status is that important to you...let me put it to bed for you...

HE DOESNT GIVE TWO S#!TS about it...and neither does his owner. I didnt come to this forum to rack up paperwork and ribbons, I came here to get some basic insight on how to SELF train my dog and that is exactly what I accomplished...he made two passes, and would walk right through his next two...prob would do well at SH as well, might not make it beyond that but like I said....HE doesnt CARE.

He cares about....REAL Land Blinds, Real Boat Blinds, Real birds that get called in, and BITCHES in HEAT (and that damn yorky next door is driving him crazy:rolleyes::rolleyes:)

Worry less about my dogs accolades, and more about your hypocrisy regards,

NCA

Sounds like the kind of bird dog every good ole country boy wants to hunt over. It's the kind my husband liked. My husband would never have cared for ribbons.....just birds and the chance to be away from people from the office.
It was his relaxation not another stress producing exercise. He and the dog came home happy just having been out together and hunting together. It was a joy to see them come home from one of those good hunts. Birds were a bonus :-)

Nor_Cal_Angler
01-06-2011, 10:25 PM
Sounds like the kind of bird dog every good ole country boy wants to hunt over. It's the kind my husband liked. My husband would never have cared for ribbons.....just birds and the chance to be away from people from the office.
It was his relaxation not another stress producing exercise. He and the dog came home happy just having been out together and hunting together. It was a joy to see them come home from one of those good hunts. Birds were a bonus :-)

BINGO..BINGO...BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!

It sounds like your husband was my kinda hunting partner....a good ole country boy traped in the city always trying to get away from it.

I enjoy sitting in low fog...cant see much outside gun range, cant hear much, cant keep warm but not to cold....and I look to my left and my boys head lift up...ears perk the way only a lab's can...you see his eyes dart...his nostral's flare in that same way a snakes tougne tastes the air...he shoots his head out slowly but delibertly and looks back at me as if to say...c'mon man you mean to tell me you cant hear that...its right over there...from the left...here I'll look back over there for ya...he kinda gets in the half sit half squat position...tail stiff as a board directly out back..the posture that tells ya he is ready to jump at the slightest slip of his name...I look at him as I say to myself good lord I know he wants this sooooooo bad, but I still cant see what he hears....

Then it happens and in from the left comes that slightest of sounds that you know from experience is a tight group...maybe only a hand full..so you call out...and wait...and then you call out again...and get a reply....

From that point on...my boy knows....GAME ON!!!!!!!!!

There isnt a ribbon in the world worth that, and there isnt a ribbon in the world worth my boys head in my lap on the ride home with his big brown eyes looking up saying...Thanks for that one dad!!!!!

He comes from Field Trail Champ and Master Hunt lines...will he make it...NOPE...I dont make any claims that he will....in different hands with a different agenda do I think he would....NOT A DOUBT IN MY MIND...I went to a few trials, and hunt tests I have seen what they have to offer and I KNOW he can do it...But I dont need him to prove that to ANYONE ELSE...who's glory is it for...not his...he doesnt care.

Sorry to hijack here, but someone got their ASS handed to them...and the best they could do was to make a comment about a two year old signature line, regarding a dog not going after a JH. I guess I should change my signature line to....PROUD OWNER OF BARRACUDA BLUE RYDER'S GUSTO who's owner decided to pull him from competition because he felt it was a waste of his time and money and didnt need a ribbon and a few letters after a name on a piece of paper to tell him or anyone else that his dog is an exellent hunting animal.

NCA

Buzz
01-06-2011, 10:53 PM
But, you have to remember, SS was also an insurance plan which guaranteed an income, however meager to your survivors or to yourself in case of disability.


Good point. Some income in the case of disability or death - in the case of dependent children.

JDogger
01-06-2011, 11:46 PM
OK NCA. Ya wanna play snarky, I'll play snarky witcha. DG has bored me to tears, so you can be a target for a while. OK? Now go down and I'll take it one point at a time. I know you good ole country boys read slow.




BINGO..BINGO...BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!

It sounds like your husband was my kinda hunting partner....a good ole country boy traped in the city always trying to get away from it.

I enjoy sitting in low fog...cant see much outside gun range, cant hear much, cant keep warm but not to cold....and I look to my left and my boys head lift up...ears perk the way only a lab's can...you see his eyes dart...his nostral's flare in that same way a snakes tougne tastes the air...he shoots his head out slowly but delibertly and looks back at me as if to say...c'mon man you mean to tell me you cant hear that...its right over there...from the left...here I'll look back over there for ya...he kinda gets in the half sit half squat position Creeper eh...? tail stiff as a board directly out back..the posture that tells ya he is ready to jump at the slightest slip of his name...I look at him as I say to myself good lord I know he wants this sooooooo bad, but I still cant see what he hears....

Then it happens and in from the left comes that slightest of sounds that you know from experience is a tight group...maybe only a hand full..so you call out...and wait...and then you call out again...and get a reply....Yeah nobody else here hunts

From that point on...my boy knows....GAME ON!!!!!!!!!WOW whatta unique experience

There isnt a ribbon in the world worth that,well you'll never know, will you? and there isnt a ribbon in the world worth my boys head in my lap on the ride home with his big brown eyes looking up saying...Thanks for that one dad!!!!!I think most here have dogs with brown eyes...except for a few yellow chessie eyes.

He comes from Field Trail Champ and Master Hunt lines...Gee, thats rare here. will he make it...NOPE...I dont make any claims that he will....in different hands with a different agenda do I think he would....NOT A DOUBT IN MY MIND...But you'll never know will you?I went to a few trials, and hunt tests I have seen what they have to offer and I KNOW he can do it...Do you, really? But I dont need him to prove that to ANYONE ELSE...You could see for yourself. who's glory is it for...not his...he doesnt care. I'll agree on that.

Sorry to hijack here, No you're not, but someone got their ASS handed to them...Everyone's ass is on the line everytime they post, and the best they could do was to make a comment about a two year old signature line, regarding a dog not going after a JH. Geeze, all a JH proves is that the dog has a pulse. I guess I should change my signature line to....PROUD OWNER OF BARRACUDA BLUE RYDER'S GUSTO who's owner decided to pull him from competition because he felt it was a waste of his time and money and didnt need a ribbon and a few letters after a name on a piece of paper to tell him or anyone else that his dog is an exellent hunting animal. Enjoy your meat dog!!

NCA

Now as to luvy...The 14th amendment has nothing to do with her green card card and whether or not she should be afforded the rights of a citizen...she is not a citizen. The 14th amendment has to do with equal protection under the law...not equal rights. Personally, I think Luvy should be deported for sedition.

Anyway, good hunting to you and "Gusto".

I should go back and correct spelling and punctuation, but I don't think I will.

My skin is very thick, is yours? regards,

JD

Marvin S
01-07-2011, 12:21 AM
Don't forget 15% to 20% of "market" investments in Precious Metals.
Silver is ready to really bust out.

That's what the Hunt Bros thought when they cornered the AG market & lost their shirts. I'm a Mining Engineer so know a little about the business. My thoughts would go to TI & associated low volume high usage minerals, AG not being one of them. Were I to go AU it would be an ETF but the time for that is long past. Rare Earths also rate a look but one has to realize in the Mining business that optimism many times overshadows actual facts.

JDogger
01-07-2011, 08:48 AM
"please tell me your not serious about correcting my grammer...."

"I should go back and correct spelling and punctuation, but I don't think I will."


I was refering to mine. JD

david gibson
01-07-2011, 10:01 AM
Calm down jake, its just like football in here. no matter what names they call you and others and no matter how they go as low as talk trash about your best pal both sides are guilty if you retaliate. heck, i didnt even retaliate with return name calling, i just played the fish for laughs and i still got placed in the penalty box. just let it ride. i can imagine how hard it is when your dog is insulted but you have to let it ride.

i'm with you bro

notice there is still no explanation to post 20? so far no one has even tried to spin that, i wonder why? because it defies all their previous logic and exposes their hypocrisy?

we win.

luvmylabs23139
01-07-2011, 11:03 AM
NC Angler,
I'm so sorry your dog was attacked by JD because you defended me. I'm sure your dog lives the life many dogs would love to have. It makes one wonder what kind of life his dogs actually live.

luvmylabs23139
01-07-2011, 11:14 AM
notice there is still no explanation to post 20? so far no one has even tried to spin that, i wonder why? because it defies all their previous logic and exposes their hypocrisy?

we win.

Additionally he refuses to answer why he attacked me for simply replying to nonpolitical questions with factual answers using gov't sources as the reference for the answers:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:.

Cody Covey
01-07-2011, 02:12 PM
no, that's not what i said at all. i said that 10% of your earnings paid into social security over 40 years, if allowed to accrue a modest interest rate, would cover the payout of your social security fund if you lived another 15 or so years after retirement.

in my opinion, that would only be about 35-40% of what you need at retirement to maintain a decent quality of life. and that's at present. by the time you retire, you may need substantially more to maintain your standard of living. save every dollar you can, and depend on no one's help, would be my advice.-Paul

In an (futile) effort to keep this on track you're right that is what you said I misread sorry. I'm paying every dollar I can to get out of debt quickly (stupid students loans and a car haha) and then pretty much everything else will go towards a house and retirement so I hope to be okay :)

JDogger
01-07-2011, 11:28 PM
It worked out fine for the few months I did it....then I found that like most things and people.....IT IS OVER RATED!!!!!!!

His first go...my fault. His second His fault...his last two were a walk in the park.

I gave it up...I dont need a ribbon or title....and he doesnt either!!!!!!

What I need is a dog that will double or triple a blind in a actual HUNT and he does that better than any dog I have had or have hunt with. He also works a field for upland better than any dog I have had or have hunt with.

I guess my weekend warrior will have to be satisfied with being a dog that hunts to hunt...not be good behind a piece of fabric, heel to two pieces of ribbon on the ground, wait for a few caged birds to "magicly" pop up and be shot by someone hiding behind a few other pieces of fabric, pretend to be intrested race to them, pick them up, bring them back and then get holed up in a car for a long period of time and finally at the end of what I can only imagine is a boring day for him get a stupid ass ribbon he could careless about.

So if your concern for my 2 year old Sig, on my dogs HT status is that important to you...let me put it to bed for you...

HE DOESNT GIVE TWO S#!TS about it...and neither does his owner. I didnt come to this forum to rack up paperwork and ribbons, I came here to get some basic insight on how to SELF train my dog and that is exactly what I accomplished...he made two passes, and would walk right through his next two...prob would do well at SH as well, might not make it beyond that but like I said....HE doesnt CARE.

He cares about....REAL Land Blinds, Real Boat Blinds, Real birds that get called in, and BITCHES in HEAT (and that damn yorky next door is driving him crazy:rolleyes::rolleyes:)

Worry less about my dogs accolades, and more about your hypocrisy regards,

NCA

Jake, I apologize if you think I was sh**tin' on your dog. I didn't mean to. I'm sure he's a fine dog and you love him. It's you I don't like.
There will come a time though, that because you live to be old and "Gusto" will only live to be maybe 14 or 15, and you'll still be young. You'll be wishing, I could have had a pup outta him. Thats where the games and the titles come in. Sure there are jerks in the dog games, but if he is field proven, not just Jake proven, then maybe, just maybe, you get a chance to breed him to a Proven bitch, and your stud fee is a pup. Then you got a "Gusto" pup by your side once again. That's what the games are really about, not ribbons. Continuing the line, improving the breed. If he's really good... he deserves a chance. JD