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zeus3925
01-05-2011, 02:52 PM
Paul B. Farrell posted this article on Market Watch. What do you think?

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/americas-10-worst-years-start-right-now-2011-01-04#

david gibson
01-05-2011, 04:26 PM
Paul B. Farrell posted this article on Market Watch. What do you think?

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/americas-10-worst-years-start-right-now-2011-01-04#

i would guess that by the crickets chirping for hours nobody cares.......kinda like "FOAD DG dnf777" getting all weepy over a 2 hit wonder.

nobody cared.


got something else that might stimulate a conversation??? and what does this have to do with dog training??

dnf777
01-05-2011, 05:05 PM
Paul B. Farrell posted this article on Market Watch. What do you think?

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/americas-10-worst-years-start-right-now-2011-01-04#

Zeus,
Very sombering reading, and hopefully WRONG! But it seems like the foundation has already been laid.

I'm not sure I agree with the timeframe, for one. I think the super rich (including corporations) have already gained control of Washington. While lobbyists have always had a say, now they don't just influence legislation, they WRITE it.

biggeorge50
01-05-2011, 07:06 PM
I am not a lobbyist or even close, but I have gotten myself involved in sportsmen's issues. Most legislators don't know squat about the details of sportsmen's issues, so I have written a few bills for them. It is much easier to get a legislator to sign on to a bill if all the work is done for them, rather than have their staff do all the research on an issue. BTW, this is at the state level.

dnf777
01-05-2011, 07:20 PM
I am not a lobbyist or even close, but I have gotten myself involved in sportsmen's issues. Most legislators don't know squat about the details of sportsmen's issues, so I have written a few bills for them. It is much easier to get a legislator to sign on to a bill if all the work is done for them, rather than have their staff do all the research on an issue. BTW, this is at the state level.

And that is scary. No offense meant to you, but if congressmen can't assemble a staff to research the facts, interview experts or interested people such as yourself, and come up with a bill intended to accomplish common goals, then they shouldn't be there. That is the logistics of their job.

If they know so little about topics (which I agree with you on that) letting a biased party (ie lobbyist) draft the bill, don't you think that is more likely to result in pork spending, and selfish components? Again, not in YOUR case, but think of industry and banking lobby firms drafting thousand page bills to promote their own interests.

JDogger
01-05-2011, 07:56 PM
And that is scary. No offense meant to you, but if congressmen can't assemble a staff to research the facts, interview experts or interested people such as yourself, and come up with a bill intended to accomplish common goals, then they shouldn't be there. That is the logistics of their job.

If they know so little about topics (which I agree with you on that) letting a biased party (ie lobbyist) draft the bill, don't you think that is more likely to result in pork spending, and selfish components? Again, not in YOUR case, but think of industry and banking lobby firms drafting thousand page bills to promote their own interests.

OMFG... biggeorge50 doesn't think he's a lobbyist... We're in trouble.

Julie R.
01-05-2011, 08:08 PM
And that is scary. No offense meant to you, but if congressmen can't assemble a staff to research the facts, interview experts or interested people such as yourself, and come up with a bill intended to accomplish common goals, then they shouldn't be there. That is the logistics of their job.

If they know so little about topics (which I agree with you on that) letting a biased party (ie lobbyist) draft the bill, don't you think that is more likely to result in pork spending, and selfish components? Again, not in YOUR case, but think of industry and banking lobby firms drafting thousand page bills to promote their own interests.


It's nothing new; it was going on when I worked at the State Dept. in the mid 1980s. Even then, I could probably name on one hand the Congresscritters that actually knew anything about 99 percent of the legislation they introduced. And few were the media whores of today's Congress, either. If you asked one a question about a bill with his/her name on it and they sounded like the current Prezz w/o his teleprompter--that stammering, befuddled cow at the slaughterhouse ramp routine. The staff ostensibly drafts the legislation but it's all a matter of degrees of influence peddling. Some comes from the lobbyists, more comes from the industries affected, and some even comes from the various different government agencies.

JDogger
01-05-2011, 08:22 PM
It's nothing new; it was going on when I worked at the State Dept. in the mid 1980s. Even then, I could probably name on one hand the Congresscritters that actually knew anything about 99 percent of the legislation they introduced. And few were the media whores of today's Congress, either. If you asked one a question about a bill with his/her name on it and they sounded like the current Prezz w/o his teleprompter--that stammering, befuddled cow at the slaughterhouse ramp routine. The staff ostensibly drafts the legislation but it's all a matter of degrees of influence peddling. Some comes from the lobbyists, more comes from the industries affected, and some even comes from the various different government agencies.
http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll176/JDoggger/images.jpg

doesn't it just make you feel good now? That's the way it's always been, and always will be???

david gibson
01-05-2011, 08:26 PM
http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll176/JDoggger/images.jpg

doesn't it just make you feel good now? That's the way it's always been, and always will be???

so nice to see people like you that have hope for the future - and so sad to an old man whose glass is always half empty......

JDogger
01-05-2011, 08:39 PM
so nice to see people like you that have hope for the future - and so sad to an old man whose glass is always half empty......

David, I'm alot older than you...JD

If you shave off that SF bullseye goatee, you could look better too.

(I'm not ready to stop snarky quite yet. ;-))

JD

well not until dinner comes outta the oven...:D

david gibson
01-05-2011, 08:50 PM
David, I'm alot older than you...JD

If you shave off that SF bullseye goatee, you could look better too.

(I'm not ready to stop snarky quite yet. ;-))

JD

well not until dinner comes outta the oven...:D

enjoy your "nutria helper" ;-)

JDogger
01-05-2011, 09:06 PM
enjoy your "nutria helper" ;-)


Kinda obscure DG, but if you mean the beaver in the other room...yeah, I still enjoy...JD:D

biggeorge50
01-06-2011, 02:05 PM
I'll give you an example of a piece of legislation I rewrote on a county level. The county decided that they wanted to protect their employees and introduced a bill to prevent the possession of a firearm on county property. If passed, you can be sure that some liberal judge would interpret that to mean you couldn't carry a firearm in a vehicle while it was traveling on a county road. I simply rewrote the bill to clarify the language and submitted it back to them. If that is a lobbyist, then I guess I am one. It just seems to me that if the bill is written correctly the first time, a lot of time and effort could be spared. Right or wrong, many legislators appreciate having a bill or an outline handed to them. Their staff still verifies the information in it, but they don't have to start from scratch, and I can give them references as to where to find the information. Believe it or not but the legislators don't have unlimited resources. The new senator for my district is only getting half of the funds that her predecessor got for office staff. If I can help with research and wording, then I will help. It will save them time and maybe get a bill passed more quickly. Damn, I guess I really am a lobbyist. I just never thought of it that way. My apologies.