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luvmylabs23139
01-15-2011, 07:51 PM
Leave it the liberal NY times to not give an accurate Title.:rolleyes:


January 15, 2011, 7:31 pm
A Tucson Victim Is Arrested at a TV Forum

By THE NEW YORK TIMES (http://www.retrievertraining.net/author/the-new-york-times/)A man who was wounded in the shooting in Tucson last week was arrested on Saturday and charged with threatening another man at a taping of ABC’s “This Week” with Christiane Amanpour, several Arizona media outlets reported.
The shooting victim, Eric Fuller, 63, became agitated as another man spoke in support of gun ownership, The Arizona Republic reported (http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/01/15/20110115gabrielle-giffords-arizona-shooting-tucson-forum.html). He took a photograph of the speaker and said, “You’re dead.”
The speaker was identified in other reports as Trent Humphries, a founder of the Tucson Tea Party.
More reports are available from the Arizona television stations KGUN (http://www.kgun9.com/global/story.asp?s=13849741) and KPHO (http://www.kpho.com/news/26506251/detail.html).

dnf777
01-15-2011, 08:38 PM
Leave it the liberal NY times to not give an accurate Title.:rolleyes:


January 15, 2011, 7:31 pm
A Tucson Victim Is Arrested at a TV Forum

By THE NEW YORK TIMES (http://www.retrievertraining.net/author/the-new-york-times/)A man who was wounded in the shooting in Tucson last week was arrested on Saturday and charged with threatening another man at a taping of ABC’s “This Week” with Christiane Amanpour, several Arizona media outlets reported.
The shooting victim, Eric Fuller, 63, became agitated as another man spoke in support of gun ownership, The Arizona Republic reported (http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/01/15/20110115gabrielle-giffords-arizona-shooting-tucson-forum.html). He took a photograph of the speaker and said, “You’re dead.”
The speaker was identified in other reports as Trent Humphries, a founder of the Tucson Tea Party.
More reports are available from the Arizona television stations KGUN (http://www.kgun9.com/global/story.asp?s=13849741) and KPHO (http://www.kpho.com/news/26506251/detail.html).

That's a shame. Everybody needs to take a deep breath, and step away from the microphones until emotions come back down to at least low-earth orbit. The last thing we need is more victims, of any kind right now.

road kill
01-15-2011, 09:47 PM
Leave it the liberal NY times to not give an accurate Title.:rolleyes:


January 15, 2011, 7:31 pm
A Tucson Victim Is Arrested at a TV Forum

By THE NEW YORK TIMES (http://www.retrievertraining.net/author/the-new-york-times/)A man who was wounded in the shooting in Tucson last week was arrested on Saturday and charged with threatening another man at a taping of ABC’s “This Week” with Christiane Amanpour, several Arizona media outlets reported.
The shooting victim, Eric Fuller, 63, became agitated as another man spoke in support of gun ownership, The Arizona Republic reported (http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/01/15/20110115gabrielle-giffords-arizona-shooting-tucson-forum.html). He took a photograph of the speaker and said, “You’re dead.”
The speaker was identified in other reports as Trent Humphries, a founder of the Tucson Tea Party.
More reports are available from the Arizona television stations KGUN (http://www.kgun9.com/global/story.asp?s=13849741) and KPHO (http://www.kpho.com/news/26506251/detail.html).

Obviously....it's Sarah Palin's fault.

I mean, if there was NO Tea Party, this would never have happened.:rolleyes:

Just sayin'........


RK

sinner
01-15-2011, 11:04 PM
Obsessed is merely a word the lazy use to describe the dedicated!
And what would you call yourself?

road kill
01-15-2011, 11:45 PM
Obsessed is merely a word the lazy use to describe the dedicated!
And what would you call yourself?

What do you care?

I just leave that up to you.:D



RK

dnf777
01-16-2011, 05:47 AM
Obviously....it's Sarah Palin's fault.

I mean, if there was NO Tea Party, this would never have happened.:rolleyes:

Just sayin'........


RK

I've said about six times here, I DON'T blame her or anyone but the shooter, but did you see her lame-azz speech with "blood-libel" and other twisty-squirmy quotes? She is pathetic! You guys better HOPE she doesn't run. Time for some REAL republicans to stand up and tell her to STAND DOWN.

Roger Perry
01-16-2011, 08:15 AM
Obviously....it's Sarah Palin's fault.

I mean, if there was NO Tea Party, this would never have happened.:rolleyes:

Just sayin'........


RK

Tucson shooting victim detained at taping of TV special

'You're dead,' man yells while photographing Tea Party spokesman

Obviously it it couldn't have been what a Tea Party member said could it?:rolleyes:

BrianW
01-16-2011, 08:56 AM
Obviously it it couldn't have been what a Tea Party member said could it?:rolleyes:

No. It could only be how Fuller interpreted those words through the prism of his own experiences.

Nothing I say can make you do anything, Roger.
My actions, maybe. My words, no.
Hoping that Fuller learns to deal with his inner demon(s) in a better way.

Sticks & stones regards.

road kill
01-16-2011, 08:57 AM
Tucson shooting victim detained at taping of TV special

'You're dead,' man yells while photographing Tea Party spokesman

Obviously it it couldn't have been what a Tea Party member said could it?:rolleyes:

There's that pesky Constitution getting in the way again!!!


First Amendment – Establishment Clause, Free Exercise Clause; freedom of speech, of the press, and of assembly; right to petition
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


You should read it sometime Roger, I think you would find it quite interesting!!:D


RK

Roger Perry
01-16-2011, 09:05 AM
There's that pesky Constitution getting in the way again!!!



You should read it sometime Roger, I think you would find it quite interesting!!:D


RK

You mean it is ok to stand up in a crowded movie theatre and hollar "FIRE"?:rolleyes:

road kill
01-16-2011, 09:06 AM
You mean it is ok to stand up in a crowded movie theatre and hollar "FIRE"?:rolleyes:

Roger, I know you have no memory.....so go back and read your posts, just in this thread alone.

Hopefully you won't choke to death when you spit up your Ovaltine!!:D


RK

Roger Perry
01-16-2011, 09:25 AM
No. It could only be how Fuller interpreted those words through the prism of his own experiences.

Nothing I say can make you do anything, Roger.
My actions, maybe. My words, no.
Hoping that Fuller learns to deal with his inner demon(s) in a better way.

Sticks & stones regards.

Fuller was in the front row and apparently became upset when Humphries suggested that any conversations about gun control should be delayed until all the dead were buried, KGUN reported.
Fuller took a picture of Humphries and shouted, “You’re dead.”

Sticks and Stones----------- Fuller did not have a gun in his hands when he said "You're dead" did he????? His actions did not harm Humphries did it???? Again Stick and Stones.

Regards

road kill
01-16-2011, 09:32 AM
Fuller was in the front row and apparently became upset when Humphries suggested that any conversations about gun control should be delayed until all the dead were buried, KGUN reported.
Fuller took a picture of Humphries and shouted, “You’re dead.”

Sticks and Stones----------- Fuller did not have a gun in his hands when he said "You're dead" did he????? His actions did not harm Humphries did it???? Again Stick and Stones.

Regards


You mean it is ok to stand up in a crowded movie theatre and hollar "FIRE"?

I see..........:rolleyes:


RK

Roger Perry
01-16-2011, 09:36 AM
I see..........:rolleyes:


RK

RK, you only use the 1st ammendment rights argument (freedom of speech) when it works in your party's favor.

BonMallari
01-16-2011, 10:47 AM
I've said about six times here, I DON'T blame her or anyone but the shooter, but did you see her lame-azz speech with "blood-libel" and other twisty-squirmy quotes? She is pathetic! You guys better HOPE she doesn't run. Time for some REAL republicans to stand up and tell her to STAND DOWN.

I kind of agree with you but with a little different angle...she is intoxicated with her own celebrity..I hope she keeps talking because I think its the only way the sheeple will see that she is unqualified..either she has no advisors or those that are advising her and the things she says are not only drinking the kool aid, they are mixing the the concoction themselves and out there too...

the more Palin says the more she needs to shut the hell up

BrianW
01-16-2011, 10:51 AM
Roger, you asked if anything the Tea Partier said could have (implied) made Fuller act as he did.

How can a man standing on a stage, discussing an idea, force Fuller to get " increasingly frustrated and agitated. Fuller then swiveled in his chair, raised his camera and took a photo of the pro-gun speaker, muttering, "You're dead," according to Joel Tranter, who was sitting behind him.
"I told him, 'You need to be respectful. You need to calm down,'" Tranter said. "He said, 'What'd you do, vote for this guy?'"
As police officers approached to escort Fuller outside, he turned and shouted at the audience: "You whores!"
He was being held Saturday for alleged threats of intimidation and disorderly conduct and will undergo a mental-health evaluation.

"He's currently in our custody and we're in the process of dealing with that investigation to see what charges will be made,"said Capt. Byron Gwaltney of the Pima County Sheriff's Department.

And while Fuller's actions could be a response to the trauma he suffered a week ago, said Dr. Laura Nelson, deputy director for the behavioral health sciences division at the Arizona Department of Health, Fuller had any one of a number of choices of action to Hunphries' (?) comments. Ho could have sat there and done/said nothing. He could have said "You're an idiot. " or something of the sort. Instead HE chose to say and act as he did, which, imo, could reasonably interpreted by a police officer as grounds for arrest in this instance.

So now I ask, How did Humphries MAKE Fuller do anything?


Fuller did not have a gun in his hands when he said "You're dead" did he????? His actions did not harm Humphries did it????
Fuller's statement was an implied threat of "I am going to kill you." Threatening to kill someone IS a crime, whether or not you actually attempt to do it.

I further agree with Dr. Nelson."I hope that he'll get the help that he needs to get through this very difficult time."

luvmylabs23139
01-16-2011, 10:51 AM
No Roger you are wrong. This was a public direct threat made to the person. By any normal standard he directly threatened the person face to face. Is law enforcement suposed to wait to determine if he actually kills the person? A gun is irrelevent. Was it direct face to face intimidation? Of course it was.
Get your darn head out of the sand and look at the facts. You don't need to have a gun to inflict physical harm on a person.

Gerry Clinchy
01-16-2011, 10:56 AM
Isn't it kind of strange that someone who was the victim of the senseless violence, should foment the crowd when someone is urging calmness in the face of hysteria?

Roger Perry
01-16-2011, 11:19 AM
Roger, you asked if anything the Tea Partier said could have (implied) made Fuller act as he did.

How can a man standing on a stage, discussing an idea, force Fuller to get " increasingly frustrated and agitated. Fuller then swiveled in his chair, raised his camera and took a photo of the pro-gun speaker, muttering, "You're dead," according to Joel Tranter, who was sitting behind him.
"I told him, 'You need to be respectful. You need to calm down,'" Tranter said. "He said, 'What'd you do, vote for this guy?'"
As police officers approached to escort Fuller outside, he turned and shouted at the audience: "You whores!"
He was being held Saturday for alleged threats of intimidation and disorderly conduct and will undergo a mental-health evaluation.

"He's currently in our custody and we're in the process of dealing with that investigation to see what charges will be made,"said Capt. Byron Gwaltney of the Pima County Sheriff's Department.

And while Fuller's actions could be a response to the trauma he suffered a week ago, said Dr. Laura Nelson, deputy director for the behavioral health sciences division at the Arizona Department of Health, Fuller had any one of a number of choices of action to Hunphries' (?) comments. Ho could have sat there and done/said nothing. He could have said "You're an idiot. " or something of the sort. Instead HE chose to say and act as he did, which, imo, could reasonably interpreted by a police officer as grounds for arrest in this instance.

So now I ask, How did Humphries MAKE Fuller do anything?


Fuller's statement was an implied threat of "I am going to kill you." Threatening to kill someone IS a crime, whether or not you actually attempt to do it.

I further agree with Dr. Nelson."I hope that he'll get the help that he needs to get through this very difficult time."

What was he going to do? Shoot him with his camera ( hey, I guess he did shoot pictures of Humphries) or maybe throw his camera at him:rolleyes:

Fuller did not say he was going to kill Humphries he said "your dead". There is a difference.

dnf777
01-16-2011, 11:35 AM
I kind of agree with you but with a little different angle...she is intoxicated with her own celebrity..I hope she keeps talking because I think its the only way the sheeple will see that she is unqualified..either she has no advisors or those that are advising her and the things she says are not only drinking the kool aid, they are mixing the the concoction themselves and out there too...

the more Palin says the more she needs to shut the hell up

An even different slant, is that she's on her game plan PERFECTLY....not as a potential presidential candidate, but a perpetual celeb who's only fame is that she's a celeb. Paris Hilton, Anna Nicole, Sarah Palin....

Her crazy talk keeps the spotlight and cameras glued to her every move. Her base is getting narrower and narrower, but they will continue to buy books and pay for rallies and speaker fees. She may be on the best game plan to secure her celebrity and financial future.

dnf777
01-16-2011, 12:17 PM
One interesting common denominator among all these mass attacks, kamikaze flights, fertilizer truck bombs, etc.....is a strong predeliction for anti-government talk. Now before panties go into F5 twisters, I'm NOT pinning the tea party or neo-cons, but perhaps offering a reason why they are often linked in the media or on chat boards. They do share a common vernacular when it comes to anti-government rhetoric.

You have to admit, some people can't stand a city worker putting in a stop sign on their street without crying "socialist" "goobermint" !!!!!

Just a thought....

depittydawg
01-16-2011, 12:21 PM
Leave it the liberal NY times to not give an accurate Title.:rolleyes:


January 15, 2011, 7:31 pm
A Tucson Victim Is Arrested at a TV Forum

By
More reports are available from the Arizona television stations [URL="http://www.kgun9.com/global/story.asp?s=13849741"][COLOR=#004276]KGUN (http://www.retrievertraining.net/author/the-new-york-times/) and KPHO (http://www.kpho.com/news/26506251/detail.html).

Az has some serious issues they need to confront. As long as this kind of fervor exists, the chances of another disaster like the recent shooting is raised.
A good leader is needed who is not polarized on one side or the other, that can bridge the great political divide in that state. Someone who can calm people down and hit the reset button. Where is McCain. Has he spoken out on any of this stuff that is going on their the last several months? Any other leaders who might have the support for people to listen too?
:(

BrianW
01-16-2011, 12:24 PM
I just got done watching that program, and spotted what I thought was Fuller, early in the show by his demeanor, before Humphries ever spoke. And it was.
That man, imo had an attitude going all through the program.

Why won't you address my question?

I didn't say Fuller was going to do anything with his camera but it wouldn't be the first time that someone has taken a picture and used it for reference in a future action, to make sure "Yeah, that's the correct guy."

In this circumstance, at this point in time, that comment was entirely out of line, inappropriate and had NO place in a discussion about "In the Aftermath".
To me, "You're dead." sounded like it came straight out of the graveyard.
Spoken to me, I would take it as a threat of impending bodily harm.
If that wasn't an example of possible mental illness and cause for law enforcement intervention on the spot, especially given his following comments, then I guess nothing is. :confused:

dnf777
01-16-2011, 12:33 PM
I just
That man, imo had an attitude going all through the program. I might too, if I had a freakin' bullet still lodged in me!!

but it wouldn't be the first time that someone has taken a picture and used it for reference in a future action, to make sure "Yeah, that's the correct guy."



No, not at all. There have been several political websites who have made "hit lists" of candidates, with pictures.

The anti-abortion nuts have posted doctors who perform abortions on "hit list" web sites, several of whom have been killed. Remember just this past election, there were congressmen who's pictures and home addresses were posted publically?

Its not a novel idea at all.

I think the guy was way out of line. Frankly, if I had just been shot, I doubt you'd see me anywhere buy my couch watching football this week.

Everyone needs to take a deep breath, and step away from the microphone.

Roger Perry
01-16-2011, 01:22 PM
I just got done watching that program, and spotted what I thought was Fuller, early in the show by his demeanor, before Humphries ever spoke. And it was.
That man, imo had an attitude going all through the program.

Why won't you address my question?

I didn't say Fuller was going to do anything with his camera but it wouldn't be the first time that someone has taken a picture and used it for reference in a future action, to make sure "Yeah, that's the correct guy."

In this circumstance, at this point in time, that comment was entirely out of line, inappropriate and had NO place in a discussion about "In the Aftermath".
To me, "You're dead." sounded like it came straight out of the graveyard.
Spoken to me, I would take it as a threat of impending bodily harm.
If that wasn't an example of possible mental illness and cause for law enforcement intervention on the spot, especially given his following comments, then I guess nothing is. :confused:

So your saying then, if a government official heard of a threat and did not take action then he/she would be responsible for the consequences?

dback
01-16-2011, 01:52 PM
I can't speak to other states but........in Arizona, if an individual makes a death threat or threat of bodily injury and it can be supported by witnesses, an arrest may be made. Kind of like making jokes about bombs in your luggage while boarding a plane....threatening someones life in a public forum over 'politically sensitive' issues right at this moment is probably not prudent. My son says he has made arrests for the exact comments even prior to this tragedy.

huntinman
01-16-2011, 03:39 PM
One interesting common denominator among all these mass attacks, kamikaze flights, fertilizer truck bombs, etc.....is a strong predeliction for anti-government talk. Now before panties go into F5 twisters, I'm NOT pinning the tea party or neo-cons, but perhaps offering a reason why they are often linked in the media or on chat boards. They do share a common vernacular when it comes to anti-government rhetoric.

You have to admit, some people can't stand a city worker putting in a stop sign on their street without crying "socialist" "goobermint" !!!!!

Just a thought....

Come on doc, your'e not that naive... Schizophrenics frequently focus on government agencies, or anyone in uniform for their delusional thoughts. This guy in AZ was a classic paranoid schizophrenic. Unfortunately, I have known one through marriage that exhibited many of those same symptoms. They can't get the gov't out of their deranged minds. Its really pretty scary. About the only thing that can keep them under control is forcing them to stay on medication, which most of them don't want to do. Or family having them commited to an institution, which most are reluctant to do till it's too late. Tough all the way around.