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huntinman
01-19-2011, 08:13 AM
From the Drudge report today:

BORN IN THE USA?
WorldNetDaily Exclusive
Hawaii guv can't find
Obama birth certificate
Suggests controversy could hurt
president's re-election chances

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Posted: January 18, 2011
8:05 pm Eastern



By Jerome R. Corsi



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WorldNetDaily


Neil Abercrombie

Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie suggested in an interview published today that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Barack Obama may not exist within the vital records maintained by the Hawaii Department of Health.

Abercrombie told the Honolulu Star Advertiser he was searching within the Hawaii Department of Health to find definitive vital records that would prove Obama was born in Hawaii, because the continuing eligibility controversy could hurt the president's chances of re-election in 2012.

Donalyn Dela Cruz, Abercrombie's spokeswoman in Honolulu, ignored again today another in a series of repeated requests made by WND for an interview with the governor.

Toward the end of the interview, the newspaper asked Abercrombie: "You stirred up quite a controversy with your comments regarding birthers and your plan to release more information regarding President Barack Obama's birth certificate. How is that coming?"

In his response, Abercrombie acknowledged the birth certificate issue will have "political implications" for the next presidential election "that we simply cannot have."

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Suggesting he was still intent on producing more birth records on Obama from the Hawaii Department of Health vital records vault, Abercrombie told the newspaper there was a recording of the Obama birth in the state archives that he wants to make public.

(Story continues below)


Abercrombie did not report to the newspaper that he or the Hawaii Department of Health had found Obama's long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate. The governor only suggested his investigations to date had identified an unspecified listing or notation of Obama's birth that someone had made in the state archives.

"It was actually written, I am told, this is what our investigation is showing, it actually exists in the archives, written down," Abercrombie said.

For seemingly the first time, Abercrombie frankly acknowledged that presidential politics motivated his search for Obama birth records, implying that failure to resolve the questions that remain unanswered about the president's birth and early life may damage his chance for re-election.

"If there is a political agenda (regarding Obama's birth certificate), then there is nothing I can do about that, nor can the president," he said.

So far, the only birth document available on Obama is a Hawaii Certification of Live Birth that first appeared on the Internet during the 2008 presidential campaign. It was posted by two purportedly independent websites that have displayed a strong partisan bias for Obama – Snopes.com released the COLB in June 2008, and FactCheck.org published photographs of the document in August 2008.

WND previously reported the Hawaii Department of Health has refused to authenticate the COLB posted on the Internet by Snopes.com and FactCheck.org.

WND has reported that in 1961, Obama's grandparents, Stanley and Madelyn Dunham, could have made an in-person report of a Hawaii birth even if the infant Barack Obama Jr. had been foreign-born.

Similarly, the newspaper announcements of Obama's birth do not prove he was born in Hawaii, since they could have been triggered by the grandparents registering the birth as Hawaiian, even if the baby was born elsewhere.

Moreover, WND has documented that the address reported in the newspaper birth announcements was the home of the grandparents.

WND also has reported that Barack Obama Sr. maintained his own separate apartment in Honolulu, even after he was supposedly married to Ann Dunham, Barack Obama's mother, and that Dunham left Hawaii within three weeks of the baby's birth to attend the University of Washington in Seattle.

Dunham did not return to Hawaii until after Barack Obama Sr. left Hawaii in June 1962 to attend graduate school at Harvard University in Cambridge, Mass.

Conceivably, the yet undisclosed birth record in the state archives that Abercrombie has discovered may have come from the grandparents registering Obama's birth, an event that would have triggered both the newspaper birth announcements and availability of a Certification of Live Birth, even if no long-form birth certificate existed.

WND has also reported that Tim Adams, a former senior elections clerk for the city and county of Honolulu in 2008, has maintained that there is no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate on file with the Hawaii Department of Health and that neither Honolulu hospital – Queens Medical Center or Kapiolani Medical Center – has any record that Obama was born there.


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Ken Bora
01-19-2011, 08:34 AM
[quote=huntinman;735316]
Hawaii guv can't find
Obama birth certificate
Suggests controversy could hurt
president's re-election chances
[quote]


I'd say that is the least of his worries..... ;-)

Roger Perry
01-19-2011, 08:44 AM
I found it for the Governor-------------- Do you want to send it to him???????????

http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg

huntinman
01-19-2011, 08:49 AM
Roger, if you read the article, they are looking for the REAL one... signed by the doctor... from the hospital... seems they just can't find anywhere. Must be with his school records.

Doc E
01-19-2011, 08:51 AM
It says :

Father's Race
AFRICAN

I didn't know that "African" was a race.



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huntinman
01-19-2011, 08:53 AM
It says :

Father's Race
AFRICAN

I didn't know that "African" was a race.



.

They were trying to be PC in the 60's ??

luvmylabs23139
01-19-2011, 09:56 AM
I found it for the Governor-------------- Do you want to send it to him???????????

http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg
That doesn't even have a certification on it. Where is the signature with the date issued?:rolleyes::rolleyes:

mjh345
01-19-2011, 10:10 AM
Hey Bill Davis, Inquiring minds {and the grammar police} want to know:

What in the world is a "BORTH" certificate?

He would probably be more successful looking for a birth certificate

luvmylabs23139
01-19-2011, 10:36 AM
I'd like to know where the official signature and date are?

troy schwab
01-19-2011, 10:54 AM
Looks photoshopped to me......ROFL.

dixidawg
01-19-2011, 11:00 AM
It's George Bush's fault.

ducknwork
01-19-2011, 11:15 AM
Looks photoshopped to me......ROFL.

Why is there a date towards the bottom? Looks like it was typed or written on the back...looks like it says 2007 to me.

CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!

Blackstone
01-19-2011, 11:32 AM
I'd like to know where the official signature and date are?

I remember someone posting a copy of the this document as verified by FactCheck.org, bearing the raised seal and the stamped signature of Hawaii state Registrar. I'm sure with a little effort, you can find that copy on the internet.

The fact is, no matter how compelling the proof is that is offered, there will still be those that refuse to believe it.

luvmylabs23139
01-19-2011, 11:38 AM
I remember someone posting a copy of the this document as verified by FactCheck.org, bearing the raised seal and the stamped signature of Hawaii state Registrar. I'm sure with a little effort, you can find that copy on the internet.

The fact is, no matter how compelling the proof is that is offered, there will still be those that refuse to believe it.


That is fine, but if Roger wants what he posts to be accepted he should at least post that copy. What he posted would not be accepted for a driver's license.:rolleyes:

Duck Blind
01-19-2011, 12:00 PM
That doesn't even have a certification on it. Where is the signature with the date issued?:rolleyes::rolleyes:

what about the revision date in the lower left hand corner. Shouldn't that date actually be before his birth date?

Blackstone
01-19-2011, 12:01 PM
I found this copy of the interview with Gov. Abercrombie by the Honolulu Star Advertiser:

“Q: You stirred up quite a controversy with your comments regarding birthers and your plans to release more information regarding President Barack Obama's birth certificate. How is that coming?

A: I got a letter from someone the other day who was genuinely concerned about it; it is not all just political agenda. They were talking on Olelo last night about this; it has a political implication for 2012 that we simply cannot have.
(Abercrombie said there is a recording of the birth in the State Archives and he wants to use that.)

It was actually written I am told, this is what our investigation is showing, it actually exists in the archives, written down ...

...What I can do, and all I have ever said, is that I am going to see to it as governor that I can verify to anyone who is honest about it that this is the case.

If there is a political agenda then there is nothing I can do about that, nor can the president.”

I don’t see how WND drew all their conclusions based on this interview. They also failed to mention the Governor’s previous comments:

"It's an insult to his mother and to his father, and I knew his mother and father; they were my friends, and I have an emotional interest in that," Abercrombie told the Times. "It's an emotional insult. It is disrespectful to the president; it is disrespectful to the office."

Abercombie was quoted by the Chicago Tribune as saying, "What bothers me is that some people who should know better are trying to use this for political reasons," he said. "Maybe I'm the only one in the country that could look you right in the eye right now and tell you, 'I was here when that baby was born.'"

I wonder why they left that out. It seems WND is the one with the political agenda.

Blackstone
01-19-2011, 12:05 PM
what about the revision date in the lower left hand corner. Shouldn't that date actually be before his birth date?

It is a laser etched copy printed on a standardized form. I would guess that is the date the form was created.

dnf777
01-19-2011, 12:13 PM
It just occurred to me....

Juxtapose the level of proof that the birthers are demanding of Obama's residence of birth, to the level of proof they gladly accepted of Bush actually showing up for reserve military duty..... Kind of ironic, isn't it?

luvmylabs23139
01-19-2011, 12:21 PM
what about the revision date in the lower left hand corner. Shouldn't that date actually be before his birth date?

Actually no. We needed a copy of DH's birth certificate and it has a revision date after his birth. However it also has a dated signature based on the date the reproduction was produced.
Whole thing is a joke. As for his birth cert before someone asks, we now have the original long form.

huntinman
01-19-2011, 12:51 PM
Hey Bill Davis, Inquiring minds {and the grammar police} want to know:

What in the world is a "BORTH" certificate?

He would probably be more successful looking for a birth certificate


Ha! fat fingers... and they put the o on the keyboard too damn close to the i!!

mjh345
01-19-2011, 12:56 PM
I found this copy of the interview with Gov. Abercrombie by the Honolulu Star Advertiser:

“Q: You stirred up quite a controversy with your comments regarding birthers and your plans to release more information regarding President Barack Obama's birth certificate. How is that coming?

A: I got a letter from someone the other day who was genuinely concerned about it; it is not all just political agenda. They were talking on Olelo last night about this; it has a political implication for 2012 that we simply cannot have.
(Abercrombie said there is a recording of the birth in the State Archives and he wants to use that.)

It was actually written I am told, this is what our investigation is showing, it actually exists in the archives, written down ...

...What I can do, and all I have ever said, is that I am going to see to it as governor that I can verify to anyone who is honest about it that this is the case.

If there is a political agenda then there is nothing I can do about that, nor can the president.”

I don’t see how WND drew all their conclusions based on this interview. They also failed to mention the Governor’s previous comments:

"It's an insult to his mother and to his father, and I knew his mother and father; they were my friends, and I have an emotional interest in that," Abercrombie told the Times. "It's an emotional insult. It is disrespectful to the president; it is disrespectful to the office."

Abercombie was quoted by the Chicago Tribune as saying, "What bothers me is that some people who should know better are trying to use this for political reasons," he said. "Maybe I'm the only one in the country that could look you right in the eye right now and tell you, 'I was here when that baby was born.'"

I wonder why they left that out. It seems WND is the one with the political agenda.

Blackstone, I've told you before, quit confusing the "brilliant birthers" with facts; they aren't interested in that.
Do you have anything sparkly with flashing lights that makes noise? I suspect that will keep them fascinated and distracted for a real long time.

Short bus regards

dixidawg
01-19-2011, 02:36 PM
It just occurred to me....

Juxtapose the level of proof that the birthers are demanding of Obama's residence of birth, to the level of proof they gladly accepted of Bush actually showing up for reserve military duty..... Kind of ironic, isn't it?

Right. After all there are constitutional requirements that a President be natural born AND have served in the reserve military.


Oh wait...... that whole constitution thing is over rated anyway........


Never mind :cool:

road kill
01-19-2011, 02:36 PM
Blackstone, I've told you before, quit confusing the "brilliant birthers" with facts; they aren't interested in that.
Do you have anything sparkly with flashing lights that makes noise?(Wouldn't that be you??) I suspect that will keep them fascinated and distracted for a real long time.

Short bus regards How sensitive of you!!
Delightful post, lot's of insight into your mind set.:D

RK

road kill
01-19-2011, 02:37 PM
It just occurred to me....

Juxtapose the level of proof that the birthers are demanding of Obama's residence of birth, to the level of proof they gladly accepted of Bush actually showing up for reserve military duty..... Kind of ironic, isn't it?

I think you are confused.....wasn't it YOU that swallowed Dan Rathers NEWS???


RK

dnf777
01-19-2011, 02:54 PM
Right. After all there are constitutional requirements that a President be natural born AND have served in the reserve military.


Oh wait...... that whole constitution thing is over rated anyway........


Never mind :cool:

I can tell you've never been in the military. They tend to frown upon troops not showing up for assigned duty. Then really frown upon missing medical exams, especially when there's drug testing involved. But never mind. I just brought this up in comparison to the level of proof that is needed to satisfy birthers, versus what satisfied them with their boy. Just a little double-standard, that's all.

I'm not sure why you bring up the Constitution. There is absolutely NO requirement to have served. That is a non-sequitor.

mjh345
01-19-2011, 02:58 PM
Right. After all there are constitutional requirements that a President be natural born AND have served in the reserve military.


Oh wait...... that whole constitution thing is over rated anyway........


Never mind :cool:

Where in the Constitution does it require military service of any kind?

dixidawg
01-19-2011, 03:08 PM
Where in the Constitution does it require military service of any kind?


That was my point....it doesn't.

However it does require a natural born citizen.

Would kinda hope that the level of scrutiny would be a bit different.....

gman0046
01-19-2011, 05:44 PM
HMMM, fathers race African. Interesting.

Roger Perry
01-19-2011, 07:33 PM
I remember someone posting a copy of the this document as verified by FactCheck.org, bearing the raised seal and the stamped signature of Hawaii state Registrar. I'm sure with a little effort, you can find that copy on the internet.

The fact is, no matter how compelling the proof is that is offered, there will still be those that refuse to believe it.

Would this be the one?
Born in the U.S.A.
August 21, 2008
Updated: November 1, 2008
The truth about Obama's birth certificate.
Summary
In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might not be a natural-born citizen. But the image prompted more blog-based skepticism about the document's authenticity. And recently, author Jerome Corsi, whose book attacks Obama, said in a TV interview that the birth certificate the campaign has is "fake."

We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.

Update, Nov. 1: The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu.

Analysis
Update Nov. 1: The Associated Press quoted (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iw1At-4G1xuE50oXVFRlBPfR3dqgD945OLU00)Chiyome Fukino (http://javascript%3cb%3e%3c/b%3E:void(0);/*1225579409906*/)as saying that both she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.


Fukino also was quoted by several other news organizations. The Honolulu Advertiser quoted Fukino (http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20081101/NEWS05/811010345/1001/localnewsfront)as saying the agency had been bombarded by requests, and that the registrar of statistics had even been called in at home in the middle of the night.
Honolulu Advertiser, Nov. 1 2008: "This has gotten ridiculous," state health director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said yesterday. "There are plenty of other, important things to focus on, like the economy, taxes, energy." . . . Will this be enough to quiet the doubters? "I hope so," Fukino said. "We need to get some work done."Fukino said she has “personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."



Since we first wrote (http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/has_obamas_birth_certificate_been_disclosed.html) about Obama's birth certificate on June 16, speculation on his citizenship has continued apace. Some claim that Obama posted a fake birth certificate to his Web page (http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/birthcert). That charge leaped from the blogosphere to the mainstream media earlier this week when Jerome Corsi, author of a book attacking Obama, repeated (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6LtCiXDBak) the claim in an Aug. 15 interview with Steve Doocy on Fox News.
Corsi: Well, what would be really helpful is if Senator Obama would release primary documents like his birth certificate. The campaign has a false, fake birth certificate posted on their website. How is anybody supposed to really piece together his life?
Doocy: What do you mean they have a "false birth certificate" on their Web site?
Corsi: The original birth certificate of Obama has never been released, and the campaign refuses to release it.
Doocy: Well, couldn't it just be a State of Hawaii-produced duplicate?
Corsi: No, it's a -- there's been good analysis of it on the Internet, and it's been shown to have watermarks from Photoshop. It's a fake document that's on the Web site right now, and the original birth certificate the campaign refuses to produce.Corsi isn't the only skeptic claiming that the document is a forgery. Among the most frequent objections we saw on forums, blogs and e-mails are:

The birth certificate doesn't have a raised seal.
It isn't signed.
No creases from folding are evident in the scanned version.
In the zoomed-in view, there's a strange halo around the letters.
The certificate number is blacked out.
The date bleeding through from the back seems to say "2007," but the document wasn't released until 2008.
The document is a "certification of birth," not a "certificate of birth."Recently FactCheck representatives got a chance to spend some time with the birth certificate, and we can attest to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago. We can assure readers that the certificate does bear a raised seal, and that it's stamped on the back by Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka (who uses a signature stamp rather than signing individual birth certificates). We even brought home a few photographs.


http://www.factcheck.org/demos/factcheck/imagefiles/image/Ask%20FactCheck%20Images/Birth%20Certificate/hands.jpg (http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_3.jpg)
The Obama birth certificate, held by FactCheck writer Joe Miller


http://www.factcheck.org/demos/factcheck/imagefiles/image/Ask%20FactCheck%20Images/Birth%20Certificate/signature.jpg (http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_9.jpg)
Alvin T. Onaka's signature stamp
http://www.factcheck.org/demos/factcheck/imagefiles/image/Ask%20FactCheck%20Images/Birth%20Certificate/seal.jpg (http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_1.jpg)
The raised seal
http://www.factcheck.org/demos/factcheck/imagefiles/image/Ask%20FactCheck%20Images/Birth%20Certificate/blowup.jpg (http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_5.jpg)
Blowup of text

You can click on the photos to get full-size versions, which haven't been edited in any way, except that some have been rotated 90 degrees for viewing purposes.



We also note that so far none of those questioning the authenticity of the document have produced a shred of evidence that the information on it is incorrect. Instead, some speculate that somehow, maybe, he was born in another country and doesn't meet the Constitution's requirement that the president be a "natural-born citizen."
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...n_the_usa.html (http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html)


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dnf777
01-19-2011, 07:47 PM
You would think THAT would put the issue to rest.

But...rest assured, the discussion will just move on to something else just as insane.

Perhaps we can question the statehood of Hawaii, under ancient tribal polynesian law, we probably didn't have the proper coconuts in a row, and therefore, he is still not eligible to be president, even though he was hatched on Admiral Cook's Island??

david gibson
01-19-2011, 08:13 PM
You would think THAT would put the issue to rest.

But...rest assured, the discussion will just move on to something else just as insane.

Perhaps we can question the statehood of Hawaii, under ancient tribal polynesian law, we probably didn't have the proper coconuts in a row, and therefore, he is still not eligible to be president, even though he was hatched on Admiral Cook's Island??

Yes, you would THINK that, but the tightie whitie righties will never give up on this snipe hunt, will they?

Duck Blind
01-20-2011, 01:20 PM
Yes, you would THINK that, but the tightie whitie righties will never give up on this snipe hunt, will they?

So anyone who questions where the POTUS was born is a right-wing white person? Hmmm....

dnf777
01-20-2011, 01:39 PM
So anyone who questions where the POTUS was born is a right-wing white person? Hmmm....

No. But I just don't hear many lefties going off on lunatic rants about his birthrite. Other things, yes. But not that.

Roger Perry
01-20-2011, 04:34 PM
I guess my search of Obama's birth certificate through factcheck paid off I don't see luv spewing any more comments.
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Cody Covey
01-20-2011, 05:29 PM
No. But I just don't hear many lefties going off on lunatic rants about his birthrite. Other things, yes. But not that.

chris matthews was calling for it a few months ago...

Roger Perry
01-23-2011, 01:38 PM
Cantor: I believe Obama is a US citizen


http://www.palmbeachpost.com/multimedia/dynamic/00702/Congress_Spending_J_702870k.jpg (http://www.palmbeachpost.com/multimedia/dynamic/00702/Congress_Spending_J_702870e.jpg)





In this photo provided by NBC television Rep. Eric Cantor, R-Va., speaks on NBC's "Meet the Press" in Washington Sunday, Jan. 23, 2011. The new House Majority Leader said he believes Obama is a citizen and that most Americans are beyond that question.

EXCEPT RIGHT WING WACKO'S

depittydawg
01-23-2011, 02:55 PM
So anyone who questions where the POTUS was born is a right-wing white person? Hmmm....

The houses that Presidents are born in often become historical sites. I wonder where Obama's will be.

Roger Perry
01-23-2011, 03:03 PM
The houses that Presidents are born in often become historical sites. I wonder where Obama's will be.

Obama was born in a hospital. I don't think hospitals are historical sites. I looked to see if the house GW Bush grew up in was designated a historical site but could not find any reference to it.

depittydawg
01-23-2011, 04:01 PM
Obama was born in a hospital. I don't think hospitals are historical sites. I looked to see if the house GW Bush grew up in was designated a historical site but could not find any reference to it.

Ok, you're getting pretty technical. I rephrase my comment. The houses Presidents were "raised" in often become historical sites. Watch a documentary on Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, Clinton, Lincoln, Roosevelt, etc etc and you'll usually see something of the community or house they were raised. It will be interesting to see where the site for Obama is. Assuming of course he eventually accomplishes something that will warrant any interest at all.

Roger Perry
01-23-2011, 04:04 PM
Ok, you're getting pretty technical. I rephrase my comment. The houses Presidents were "raised" in often become historical sites. Watch a documentary on Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, Clinton, Lincoln, Roosevelt, etc etc and you'll usually see something of the community or house they were raised. It will be interesting to see where the site for Obama is. Assuming of course he eventually accomplishes something that will warrant any interest at all.

There is nothing that I can find on any historical site where GW Bush was raised and he will forever be known as the President that started the 2 longest wars in U.S. history.

depittydawg
01-23-2011, 04:32 PM
There is nothing that I can find on any historical site where GW Bush was raised and he will forever be known as the President that started the 2 longest wars in U.S. history.

You won't get any argument from me that the sooner the Nation forgets GWB, the better off we will be. He set a new benchmark for "Failure" of leadership in the White House. But we have a new President now. And while he won't rival GWB for lowest honors, up to this point he does qualify for the "just another bag of hot air" label.

Roger Perry
01-23-2011, 05:21 PM
You won't get any argument from me that the sooner the Nation forgets GWB, the better off we will be. He set a new benchmark for "Failure" of leadership in the White House. But we have a new President now. And while he won't rival GWB for lowest honors, up to this point he does qualify for the "just another bag of hot air" label.

I couldn't find anything on any historical home Clinton lived in either. I guess that is only for the president that lived in the not so near past.

depittydawg
01-23-2011, 05:28 PM
I couldn't find anything on any historical home Clinton lived in either. I guess that is only for the president that lived in the not so near past.

Dude. Do you ever get tired of arguing useless crap... It was a FREAKING joke... :)

huntinman
01-24-2011, 07:01 AM
Clintons boyhood home to join National Park System. Here you go Roger. First result on Google search, real hard to find...

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/destinations/2009-10-21-clinton-arkansas-home_N.htm

Julie R.
01-24-2011, 09:05 AM
Nice fake you found there Rog, but computer-generated forms and typeface didn't exist in 1961. It was either good old fashioned handwriting or manually typewritten. No manual typewriters in 1961 used that typeface. My sister was born in Hawaii when my father was in the service so I've seen a certified copy of a real one and it looks NOTHING like that.


I found it for the Governor-------------- Do you want to send it to him???????????

http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg
And for the record, I don't think even the arrogance of the current POTUS would have gotten the backing he did if he really wasn't a U.S. citizen but I also believe he has something to hide, and got a free ride on it from the liberal media. Not just the birth certificate, but stuff like his school transcripts and grades, etc. In fact even the Washington Post ran an ombudsman article after the election saying that the Post and other papers fell down on the job of thoroughly investigating his background as well as conflicting information.

Duck Blind
01-24-2011, 09:39 AM
Yes, you would THINK that, but the tightie whitie righties will never give up on this snipe hunt, will they?


Cantor: I believe Obama is a US citizen


EXCEPT RIGHT WING WACKO'S


Please keep up the name calling!! You almost have me convinced. :cool:

road kill
01-24-2011, 09:46 AM
Ironically, you can't play Little League baseball with out providing a Birth Certificate.


RK

Roger Perry
01-24-2011, 11:17 AM
Ironically, you can't play Little League baseball with out providing a Birth Certificate.


RK

RK, your own party leaders believe Obama is a U.S. citizen. Are you doubting your own party leaders?

Cantor: I believe Obama is a US citizen


http://www.palmbeachpost.com/multimedia/dynamic/00702/Congress_Spending_J_702870k.jpg (http://www.palmbeachpost.com/multimedia/dynamic/00702/Congress_Spending_J_702870e.jpg)





In this photo provided by NBC television Rep. Eric Cantor, R-Va., speaks on NBC's "Meet the Press" in Washington Sunday, Jan. 23, 2011. The new House Majority Leader said he believes Obama is a citizen and that most Americans are beyond that question.

EXCEPT RIGHT WING WACKO'S

road kill
01-24-2011, 11:20 AM
RK, your own party leaders believe Obama is a U.S. citizen. Are you doubting your own party leaders?

Cantor: I believe Obama is a US citizen


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In this photo provided by NBC television Rep. Eric Cantor, R-Va., speaks on NBC's "Meet the Press" in Washington Sunday, Jan. 23, 2011. The new House Majority Leader said he believes Obama is a citizen and that most Americans are beyond that question.

EXCEPT RIGHT WING WACKO'S

I made a statement, not an accusation, you then soiled the thread.

Sort of like how a baby soils a diaper.


RK

huntinman
01-24-2011, 11:25 AM
RK, your own party leaders believe Obama is a U.S. citizen. Are you doubting your own party leaders?

Cantor: I believe Obama is a US citizen


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In this photo provided by NBC television Rep. Eric Cantor, R-Va., speaks on NBC's "Meet the Press" in Washington Sunday, Jan. 23, 2011. The new House Majority Leader said he believes Obama is a citizen and that most Americans are beyond that question.

EXCEPT RIGHT WING WACKO'S

The party leaders are smart enough to realize that there is nothing to gain by questioning the issue. Obama is in and is going nowhere. The media will cover for him till the end of time, proof or no proof of citizenship, grades, school attendance or anything else he did or did not do. Why should they bother?

But for the rest of us RWW's as you call us, it is fun to drive you LWW's totally over the edge! Where was your boy born Roger? Where did he go to college? Can you show us some REAL proof? Come on Roger, lets see it...

Roger Perry
01-24-2011, 11:31 AM
I made a statement, not an accusation, you then soiled the thread.

Sort of like how a baby soils a diaper.


RK

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By the way, who made you thread moniter?????????????????