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Roger Perry
01-24-2011, 03:59 PM
ELKHART, Ind. — The economy in the nation’s industrial heartland — as embodied by this manufacturing-reliant "RV capital of the world" — is growing again, with factories calling back some workers who lost their jobs in droves at the height of the recession. But as is the case in many parts of the country, the recovery here is really two tales of one city: one told by those who are hiring or being rehired, and another by those who so far have been left behind.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41197260/ns/business-eye_on_the_economy/

If the economy keeps improving the righties here will have 6 more years to complain about Obama.:-P
I know RK & UB will be glad to hear this because they are for anything that is good for America!

starjack
01-24-2011, 04:25 PM
ELKHART, Ind. — The economy in the nation’s industrial heartland — as embodied by this manufacturing-reliant "RV capital of the world" — is growing again, with factories calling back some workers who lost their jobs in droves at the height of the recession. But as is the case in many parts of the country, the recovery here is really two tales of one city: one told by those who are hiring or being rehired, and another by those who so far have been left behind.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41197260/ns/business-eye_on_the_economy/

If the economy keeps improving the righties here will have 6 more years to complain about Obama.:-P
I know RK & UB will be glad to hear this because they are for anything that is good for America!

Maybe those tax cut extension are working. You cant have both ways RP.:rolleyes:

Roger Perry
01-24-2011, 04:27 PM
Maybe those tax cut extension are working. You cant have both ways RP.:rolleyes:

Then why have they not worked from 2007 to 2009?

starjack
01-24-2011, 05:01 PM
Then why have they not worked from 2007 to 2009?

What was the unemployment when Bush left ? What is it now? Companys were keeping there money for fear Obama was going to raise there taxes. Know buddy new by how much either that would done behind closed doors like every thing else this admin does. ALA HEALTH CARE.

Uncle Bill
01-24-2011, 05:15 PM
Then why have they not worked from 2007 to 2009?


Shows how ignorant you are in the running of the US government...

Who is in charge of the purse strings??? Who had the majority in that body during that period???

What part of the TEA party's purpose for forming do you not understand? If your Democrats, with their socialistic takeover of this country is what you want to continue, why go through the slo-mo fight to return Obama to full democratic back up, when you can so easily move to Cuba and see all your beliefs in action.

Let me know when you are planning to leave, I'll chip in on your ticket.:rolleyes:

UB

Roger Perry
01-24-2011, 05:40 PM
What was the unemployment when Bush left ? What is it now? Companys were keeping there money for fear Obama was going to raise there taxes. Know buddy new by how much either that would done behind closed doors like every thing else this admin does. ALA HEALTH CARE.

That is the most stupid thing I have heard.
The unemployment rate started to go up in the middle of 2007 and kept rising and now it is on the way down. Did you really think that when Obama took office the slate was wiped clean and everything starts anew? Starting in 2007 banks were going under faster than you can count, the housing bubble burst and people's houses were going into foreclosure, business were closing their doors and going out of business. Obama did not have a magic wand to make things better overnight.

Here is a graph showing unemployment from 2000 to present. You will see for yourself how fast unemployment rose.

Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey


Series Id: LNS14000000
Seasonally Adjusted
Series title: (Seas) Unemployment Rate
Labor force status: Unemployment rate
Type of data: Percent or rate
Age: 16 years and over
http://data.bls.gov/generated_files/graphics/LNS14000000_23179_1295911835188.gif

starjack
01-24-2011, 06:03 PM
Still have not answered the ? WHAT was the up. rate then and now Sorry rp if i had the time i could find a graph to counter your. What do think companys were doing with there money hiring people i think not. I am done with you and all your your hatered to the right or any fact that make your boy and his admin look bad. The people spoke last nov and things are starting to change in the right direction a little bit.

T. Mac
01-24-2011, 06:25 PM
Yup, we are really on the rebound now! ;)


The center's quarterly analysis finds federal tax cuts and more consumer spending will slightly boost California's overall economy in 2011 but unemployment will remain at more than 12 percent the first half of the year and above 10 percent through 2013.
http://www.news10.net/news/story.aspx?storyid=119399&catid=2

Bayou Magic
01-25-2011, 05:28 AM
Nothing lies like statistics. Do a search on real unemployment rate and you get numbers from one end of the scale to the other. However, a common theme of under-reporting by the labor department emerges. This article http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/how_nation_true_jobless_rate_is_N4E6MjtfhnMcCi537p ucaJ was particularly interesting though it's statistics are probably weighted toward the worst possible jobless rate that the numbers can reflect.

I don't know about the rest of you, but the politics of the day make me sick. I'm a republican (wearing a gas mask and holding my nose while typing this), but I don't think either party gives a rip about getting out of this hole our politicians have put us in. All they care about is who has the upper hand. Pundits have predicted the 2012 president will cost 1 billion dollars or more. It's common knowledge that corporations donate to both parties. That is nothing more than hedging their bets to ensure they have a say with the incoming administration regardless of the party.

It's all about money and influence. Remember, both parties handed out billions (that we don't have) in the name of saving the economy. How is that working out?

fp

cotts135
01-25-2011, 05:41 AM
Nothing lies like statistics. Do a search on real unemployment rate and you get numbers from one end of the scale to the other. However, a common theme of under-reporting by the labor department emerges. This article http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/how_nation_true_jobless_rate_is_N4E6MjtfhnMcCi537p ucaJ was particularly interesting though it's statistics are probably weighted toward the worst possible jobless rate that the numbers can reflect.

I don't know about the rest of you, but the politics of the day make me sick. I'm a republican (wearing a gas mask and holding my nose while typing this), but I don't think either party gives a rip about getting out of this hole our politicians have put us in. All they care about is who has the upper hand. Pundits have predicted the 2012 president will cost 1 billion dollars or more. It's common knowledge that corporations donate to both parties. That is nothing more than hedging their bets to ensure they have a say with the incoming administration regardless of the party.

It's all about money and influence. Remember, both parties handed out billions (that we don't have) in the name of saving the economy. How is that working out?

fp

Well said, and the faster the majority of us understand this then the faster we can take action to fix it. It is a rare politician who acts on principle alone. When trying to figure out what they are doing or what they are thinking just think two words MONEY or POWER . One of the two will lead you to an answer.

Roger Perry
01-25-2011, 06:28 AM
Nothing lies like statistics. Do a search on real unemployment rate and you get numbers from one end of the scale to the other. However, a common theme of under-reporting by the labor department emerges. This article http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/how_nation_true_jobless_rate_is_N4E6MjtfhnMcCi537p ucaJ was particularly interesting though it's statistics are probably weighted toward the worst possible jobless rate that the numbers can reflect.

I don't know about the rest of you, but the politics of the day make me sick. I'm a republican (wearing a gas mask and holding my nose while typing this), but I don't think either party gives a rip about getting out of this hole our politicians have put us in. All they care about is who has the upper hand. Pundits have predicted the 2012 president will cost 1 billion dollars or more. It's common knowledge that corporations donate to both parties. That is nothing more than hedging their bets to ensure they have a say with the incoming administration regardless of the party.

It's all about money and influence. Remember, both parties handed out billions (that we don't have) in the name of saving the economy. How is that working out?

fp

I totally agree. That is why I was not for extending the tax cuts. I would like to see cuts everywhere and stop the wasteful spending and start lowering the deficit.

troy schwab
01-25-2011, 09:09 AM
I totally agree. That is why I was not for extending the tax cuts. I would like to see cuts everywhere and stop the wasteful spending and start lowering the deficit.

RP..... Isnt this kind of double speak?????? If the government would cut wasteful spending, our taxes could go down....... i.e. a tax cut. We can lower the deficit without taxing the people...... there are OTHER ways..... you've said it yourself, but apparently havent put it all together.....

dnf777
01-25-2011, 09:28 AM
RP..... Isnt this kind of double speak?????? If the government would cut wasteful spending, our taxes could go down....... i.e. a tax cut. We can lower the deficit without taxing the people...... there are OTHER ways..... you've said it yourself, but apparently havent put it all together.....

Like I said earlier, the only cuts that will significantly affect the deficit are the type of cuts nobody who wants a political future are willing to propose.

Look at the budget pie. DEFENSE AND ENTILTLEMENTS

Niether party is willing to touch those.

Eliminating WIC, NEA, and a handful of other programs altogether, will not even cover the annual interest on our debt! That's not to say that every program shouldn't be scrutinized and economized, but unless you hit the big items, you're whizzing in the wind.

huntinman
01-25-2011, 09:29 AM
Tax cut is a four letter word to a lib:rolleyes:

Roger Perry
01-25-2011, 09:40 AM
RP..... Isnt this kind of double speak?????? If the government would cut wasteful spending, our taxes could go down....... i.e. a tax cut. We can lower the deficit without taxing the people...... there are OTHER ways..... you've said it yourself, but apparently havent put it all together.....


"If you want to talk firsts for Bush, this was the first time in American history that a president took us into a war and cut taxes."

As the talk about the price tag for the war in Afghanistan heats up, we thought it would be worthwhile to take a look at Krugman's claim about Bush being the first to cut taxes after leading the country into war, and to add some context.
Generally, we found, taxes and wars have followed a fairly predictable pattern: Taxes rise during wartime and then come back down in the years afterward.
We'll start with the Civil War. Congress enacted various income and excise taxes to meet the rising cost of the war, most of which were repealed in the years after the war.
During World War I, the 1916 Revenue Act and the War Revenue Act of 1917 increased tax revenue from $761 million in 1916 to $3.6 billion in 1918. After the war, in the 1920s, Congress cut taxes five times.
The same was true during World War II. Tax increases over several years raised revenues from $8.7 billion in 1941 to $45.2 billion in 1945. Again, tax cuts followed the war.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/nov/30/paul-krugman/krugman-says-bush-was-first-president-lead-country/

But not with the Bush administration/:rolleyes:

troy schwab
01-25-2011, 09:48 AM
I dont care who did what or didnt do something..... I want to see somebody in the now take action. Didnt we pay like billions of dollars to send a rover to mars and watch it hump a rock????? Lets start there.......

DNF- you mentioned entitlements...... I think the good old USA did OK before these were enacted...... how about pulling them back a bit....... Oh wait.... you'll lose the lazy man's vote.... (1/3 of america) Im just tired of footing the bill for people who are lazy and feel entitled..... If I want to help a neighbor out, that's my perogative..... and I have in the past...... But when the government wants my money to dole out to whom they see fit, with little to no vetting..... I have a problem with that, and so should you.

Common sense regards.....

Buzz
01-25-2011, 09:53 AM
What was the unemployment when Bush left ? What is it now?


Politicians love simple minds.


http://static.businessinsider.com/image/4d26424ecadcbb53452e0000-606-408/chart.jpg

dnf777
01-25-2011, 09:58 AM
I dont care who did what or didnt do something..... I want to see somebody in the now take action. Didnt we pay like billions of dollars to send a rover to mars and watch it hump a rock????? Lets start there.......

DNF- you mentioned entitlements...... I think the good old USA did OK before these were enacted...... how about pulling them back a bit....... Oh wait.... you'll lose the lazy man's vote.... (1/3 of america) Im just tired of footing the bill for people who are lazy and feel entitled..... If I want to help a neighbor out, that's my perogative..... and I have in the past...... But when the government wants my money to dole out to whom they see fit, with little to no vetting..... I have a problem with that, and so should you.

Common sense regards.....

Troy, I DO have a problem with that. But that wide brush is used to paint over many who do NOT abuse the system. Elderly, who would have NO health care if not for medicare.

Before entitlements (I assume we both were not around then) we were NOT just fine. I'm not for coddling the lazy, but there are people who WORKED all their lives, only to have their pensions and benefits yanked out from under them after their company moved overseas or pulled legal tricks to get out of their obligations.

I would agree to careful vetting of recipients of public assistance. But would not throw out the entire bushel for a few bad apples.

Roger Perry
01-25-2011, 10:02 AM
I dont care who did what or didnt do something..... I want to see somebody in the now take action. Didnt we pay like billions of dollars to send a rover to mars and watch it hump a rock????? Lets start there.......

DNF- you mentioned entitlements...... I think the good old USA did OK before these were enacted...... how about pulling them back a bit....... Oh wait.... you'll lose the lazy man's vote.... (1/3 of america) Im just tired of footing the bill for people who are lazy and feel entitled..... If I want to help a neighbor out, that's my perogative..... and I have in the past...... But when the government wants my money to dole out to whom they see fit, with little to no vetting..... I have a problem with that, and so should you.

Common sense regards.....
NASA's twin robot geologists, the Mars Exploration Rovers, launched toward Mars on June 10 and July 7, 2003, in search of answers about the history of water on Mars. They landed on Mars January 3 and January 24 PST, 2004 (January 4 and January 25 UTC, 2004).

It seems like all the money wasted-- tax cuts/wars/ NASA (which you are talking about) came during the last administration and NOW you want them fixed. Wouldn't the time to fix them have during the last administration????
NOW you want to cut the programs or disbanded the programs that help out the people that the last administration put out of work.
The Republicans wanted the tax cuts extended NOW when we can least afford them. Of course anything that takes $ out of your pocket you are against -- lets take it out on everyone but me:rolleyes: Just when do you think you Republicans should bite the bullet and take responsibility for what YOUR guy did to put us in the hole we are in now?


You know, what the Bush administration did is just like you being married and your wife runs up all the credit cards and then decides to divorce you and you get stuck with all the bills, house payments, child support and alimony and she walks away owing nothing.

huntinman
01-25-2011, 10:17 AM
Roger, you are free to send all of your extra money you have lying around to the IRS. They will gladly take it off your hands. You don't have to wait for them to come get it. Just bag it up and drive on over and give it to them. Obama will send you an autographed photo of himself in gratitude.

dnf777
01-25-2011, 10:35 AM
Roger, you are free to send all of your extra money you have lying around to the IRS. They will gladly take it off your hands. You don't have to wait for them to come get it. Just bag it up and drive on over and give it to them. Obama will send you an autographed photo of himself in gratitude.

Just for fun, why not answer any of the points RP made in post #19?

I'm really interested to hear some answers from the "right" perspective. For two years now, all we've heard on this forum is blame for Obama, much of what came prior to his taking office. Roger points out some good examples.

Notice I didn't call any names, insult anyone personally.....but just asked for a reply to a lingering question that has only been evaded up to now.

Roger Perry
01-25-2011, 10:56 AM
Roger, you are free to send all of your extra money you have lying around to the IRS. They will gladly take it off your hands. You don't have to wait for them to come get it. Just bag it up and drive on over and give it to them. Obama will send you an autographed photo of himself in gratitude.

Discontinuing the tax cuts until the wars are over and we are on the way back from economic recovery would not just affect the Republicans but the democrats and independents as well. Yeah, Obama has taken up spending where the Bush administration left off and we need to stop it but taking away money from those who can least afford it is not the answer. Like DNF said, you have to go after the big money expenditures like Military spending and Education which would be political suicide for any party attempting to do so.

If in the next 2 years Obama puts people back to work, and gets the economy back on its feet, what platform will the Republicans have to run on? Your only hope is that Obama fails on both counts.;-)

M&K's Retrievers
01-25-2011, 11:24 AM
You know, what the Bush administration did is just like you being married and your wife runs up all the credit cards and then decides to divorce you and you get stuck with all the bills, house payments, child support and alimony and she walks away owing nothing.[/B]

And the new wife is much much worse. :(:(

huntinman
01-25-2011, 01:58 PM
If in the next 2 years Obama puts people back to work, and gets the economy back on its feet, what platform will the Republicans have to run on? Your only hope is that Obama fails on both counts.;-)

What have you seen in the last 2 years that the rest of the world has missed that makes you think Obama and his band of Czars and college professors has any clue how to create a (private sector) job? I'm not counting on Hope...that was you guys... I'm counting on election day 2012;-)

Roger Perry
01-25-2011, 02:20 PM
What have you seen in the last 2 years that the rest of the world has missed that makes you think Obama and his band of Czars and college professors has any clue how to create a (private sector) job? I'm not counting on Hope...that was you guys... I'm counting on election day 2012;-)

And if the Republicans put two idiots up for election as they did in 2008 they will not stand a chance.

road kill
01-25-2011, 02:24 PM
And if the Republicans put two idiots up for election as they did in 2008 they will not stand a chance.


Another thread......soiled!!:(



RK

Roger Perry
01-25-2011, 02:37 PM
Another thread......soiled!!:(



RK
Quote:
Originally Posted by Roger Perry http://new.retrievertraining.net/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://new.retrievertraining.net/forums/showthread.php?p=737532#post737532)
Green Bay Going To SB

Roger, do you have to soil every thread???


RK


RK, I am worried about you. You had better stay out of that cold Wisconsin weather it seems like your brain is freezing up. You keep repeating your self. Either your brain is frozen or you are coming down with a case of dementia.

road kill
01-25-2011, 02:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Roger Perry http://new.retrievertraining.net/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://new.retrievertraining.net/forums/showthread.php?p=737532#post737532)
Green Bay Going To SB

Roger, do you have to soil every thread???


RK


RK, I am worried about you. You had better stay out of that cold Wisconsin weather it seems like your brain is freezing up. You keep repeating your self. Either your brain is frozen or you are coming down with a case of dementia.


Originally Posted by Roger Perry
And if the Republicans put two idiots up for election as they did in 2008 they will not stand a chance.


Actually, Roger, you keep soiling threads.


RK

Roger Perry
01-25-2011, 02:40 PM
Actually, Roger, you keep soiling threads.


RK
Then why don't you put me on ignore and make us both happy.;-)

road kill
01-25-2011, 02:43 PM
Then why don't you put me on ignore and make us both happy.;-)

Better yet, why don't you think before you SOIL a thread???:D

That way...every body will be happy!!


RK

Roger Perry
01-25-2011, 02:48 PM
Better yet, why don't you think before you SOIL a thread???:D

That way...every body will be happy!!


RK
Thats funny. You never thought I was "soiling" a thread before I posted that Green Bay was going to the Super Bowl. In case you have forgotten, I was born in Milwaukee and was raised in West Bend Wisconsin. You are not the only Green Bay Packer fan on this forum even though you think you are. Even though I now live in South Florida and like the Dolphins I still like the team from my home state.

I am sorry my political views do not coinside with yours but your views are way to far to the right for me.

road kill
01-25-2011, 02:51 PM
Thats funny. You never thought I was "soiling" a thread before I posted that Green Bay was going to the Super Bowl. In case you have forgotten, I was born in Milwaukee and was raised in West Bend Wisconsin. You are not the only Green Bay Packer fan on this forum even though you think you are. Even though I now live in South Florida and like the Dolphins I still like the team from my home state.

Roger, it has nothing to do with football.

It has to do with the content of your posts.

Ask anyone.

Can I get a witness??


RK

Marvin S
01-25-2011, 03:23 PM
It has to do with the content of your posts.
RK

I think you are being EXTREMELY GENEROUS calling what comes out of the end's of RP's fingers, content!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;-)

sinner
01-25-2011, 03:31 PM
Well said, and the faster the majority of us understand this then the faster we can take action to fix it. It is a rare politician who acts on principle alone. When trying to figure out what they are doing or what they are thinking just think two words MONEY or POWER . One of the two will lead you to an answer.
Term limits for all!

Roger Perry
01-25-2011, 03:42 PM
I think you are being EXTREMELY GENEROUS calling what comes out of the end's of RP's fingers, content!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;-)

HUH?????????????????

duckheads
01-26-2011, 05:31 PM
Roger, it has nothing to do with football.

It has to do with the content of your posts.

Ask anyone.

Can I get a witness??


RK

I agree 100%. What a putz! He reads one article about Elkhart that supports his savior and he thinks he knows what is going on in in Indiana!

Why don't you look at the Gov. of Indiana and what he has done to incourage business in Indiana. What he has done to keep Indiana fiscally sound. Hey Rog why don't you compare Indiana who has a Rep. gov to let's say Illinios or Mich or Cali who all believe as you do? PUTZ!

MITCH DANIELS FOR PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

road kill
01-26-2011, 05:40 PM
I agree 100%. What a putz! He reads one article about Elkhart that supports his savior and he thinks he knows what is going on in in Indiana!

Why don't you look at the Gov. of Indiana and what he has done to incourage business in Indiana. What he has done to keep Indiana fiscally sound. Hey Rog why don't you compare Indiana who has a Rep. gov to let's say Illinios or Mich or Cali who all believe as you do? PUTZ!

MITCH DANIELS FOR PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mitch Daniels has been on my radar for a while.

Good guy!!!


stan b

Uncle Bill
01-26-2011, 05:46 PM
I agree 100%. What a putz! He reads one article about Elkhart that supports his savior and he thinks he knows what is going on in in Indiana!

Why don't you look at the Gov. of Indiana and what he has done to incourage business in Indiana. What he has done to keep Indiana fiscally sound. Hey Rog why don't you compare Indiana who has a Rep. gov to let's say Illinios or Mich or Cali who all believe as you do? PUTZ!

MITCH DANIELS FOR PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I could certainly go along with that endorsement. Now if you could only get one of your favorite sons (an oxymoron, I know! They just never finished that sentence) on a late night show to get off his liberal soap box, Daniels might get some positive respect.

Letterman is beginning to sound more like Maher every day. What a sap. How were you folks so fortunate to find a conservative like Daniels. After Quale took such a beating from Letterman, I thought he had socialized the entire state. Oops, I forgot, you still had Bobby Knight.:rolleyes:

UB

duckheads
01-26-2011, 05:50 PM
Easy now UB. I will go to my grave being a Bobby knight fan! Look what has happened to IU since he has been gone! I went to school there and had basketball players in my classes. He made sure his players were in class every day and he had higher standards then the NCAA. How many other coaches care if their players get an education?

Roger Perry
01-26-2011, 05:52 PM
I agree 100%. What a putz! He reads one article about Elkhart that supports his savior and he thinks he knows what is going on in in Indiana!

Why don't you look at the Gov. of Indiana and what he has done to incourage business in Indiana. What he has done to keep Indiana fiscally sound. Hey Rog why don't you compare Indiana who has a Rep. gov to let's say Illinios or Mich or Cali who all believe as you do? PUTZ!

MITCH DANIELS FOR PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What the he!! does fiscally mean and while you are at it can you please give me the definition of incourage . And you call me a dumb a$$:confused:

duckheads
01-26-2011, 05:55 PM
Typical response from a true lib! don't answer the questions just attack!

PUTZ!

Roger Perry
01-26-2011, 06:02 PM
Typical response from a true lib! don't answer the questions just attack!

PUTZ!

And you did not write this????????????

Quote:
Originally Posted by road kill http://new.retrievertraining.net/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://new.retrievertraining.net/forums/showthread.php?p=738958#post738958)
Yep, look in a mirror!!


stan b

"Don't miss this gem...:wink:"

Quote:
Originally Posted by Roger Perry http://new.retrievertraining.net/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://new.retrievertraining.net/forums/showthread.php?p=738953#post738953)
From what I heard last night President Obama offered some solutions to lowering the deflect.


__________________
LORD, may the sunrise be early, the skies be gray, the wind be cold, and the water be icy. May the ducks be gullible, my aim be true, and my dog be confident and reliable. But most of all, watch over us and return us safely to my wife and kids, the greatest gifts you have ever given me. Amen.

Uncle Bill
01-26-2011, 06:02 PM
Easy now UB. I will go to my grave being a Bobby knight fan! Look what has happened to IU since he has been gone! I went to school there and had basketball players in my classes. He made sure his players were in class every day and he had higher standards then the NCAA. How many other coaches care if their players get an education?


I completely agree. He was and still is his own man. I love his tell-it-like-it-is interviews. And I was one of his followers that was hoping he'd have hit that dayumed ref with that chair.

Wonder what BK thinks of this current regime? How about a Trump/Knight team running this country. Bet we'd see a far more docile North Korea and Iran eh? heh heh heh heh

UB

ducknwork
01-26-2011, 06:07 PM
And you did not write this????????????

Quote:
Originally Posted by road kill http://new.retrievertraining.net/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://new.retrievertraining.net/forums/showthread.php?p=738958#post738958)
Yep, look in a mirror!!


stan b

"Don't miss this gem...:wink:"

Quote:
Originally Posted by Roger Perry http://new.retrievertraining.net/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://new.retrievertraining.net/forums/showthread.php?p=738953#post738953)
From what I heard last night President Obama offered some solutions to lowering the deflect.


__________________
LORD, may the sunrise be early, the skies be gray, the wind be cold, and the water be icy. May the ducks be gullible, my aim be true, and my dog be confident and reliable. But most of all, watch over us and return us safely to my wife and kids, the greatest gifts you have ever given me. Amen.

Actually, roger, he DIDN'T write that!! LMFAO.........

GENIUS...:rolleyes:

road kill
01-26-2011, 06:11 PM
And you did not write this????????????

Quote:
Originally Posted by road kill http://new.retrievertraining.net/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://new.retrievertraining.net/forums/showthread.php?p=738958#post738958)
Yep, look in a mirror!!


stan b

"Don't miss this gem...:wink:"

Quote:
Originally Posted by Roger Perry http://new.retrievertraining.net/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://new.retrievertraining.net/forums/showthread.php?p=738953#post738953)
From what I heard last night President Obama offered some solutions to lowering the deflect.
.



For God's sakes man.....please step away from the bong!!:(



RK

duckheads
01-26-2011, 06:12 PM
[quote=Roger Perry;739324]And you did not write this????????????

Quote:
Originally Posted by road kill http://new.retrievertraining.net/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://new.retrievertraining.net/forums/showthread.php?p=738958#post738958)
Yep, look in a mirror!!


stan b

"Don't miss this gem...:wink:"

Quote:
Originally Posted by Roger Perry http://new.retrievertraining.net/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://new.retrievertraining.net/forums/showthread.php?p=738953#post738953)
From what I heard last night President Obama offered some solutions to lowering the deflect.

ROGER STEP AWAY FROM THE BONG!!!!!!!!!!!!

you just qouted RK and ask if I said it.

You still aren't answering my questions. you need to google faster there Rog. Come on now don't disappoint. I know you can find some bullshit article slamming Mitch.

Any business coming to Indiana has everything thing to do with our REPUBLICAN governor than your savior! AK!

duckheads
01-26-2011, 06:12 PM
To damn funny RK I was typing the same!

Roger Perry
01-26-2011, 06:16 PM
For God's sakes man.....please step away from the bong!!:(



RK

Got me there RK. Guess I should have looked closer to who was posting.:lol:

Roger Perry
01-26-2011, 06:26 PM
I agree 100%. What a putz! He reads one article about Elkhart that supports his savior and he thinks he knows what is going on in in Indiana!

Why don't you look at the Gov. of Indiana and what he has done to incourage business in Indiana. What he has done to keep Indiana fiscally sound. Hey Rog why don't you compare Indiana who has a Rep. gov to let's say Illinios or Mich or Cali who all believe as you do? PUTZ!

MITCH DANIELS FOR PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was just posting what was in the news.

duckheads
01-26-2011, 06:30 PM
OK Roger now that you admit to being a putz how about responding to our REPUBLICAN governor that has Indiana in better situation than most states in the union.

Roger Perry
01-26-2011, 06:33 PM
I agree 100%. What a putz! He reads one article about Elkhart that supports his savior and he thinks he knows what is going on in in Indiana!

Why don't you look at the Gov. of Indiana and what he has done to incourage business in Indiana. What he has done to keep Indiana fiscally sound. Hey Rog why don't you compare Indiana who has a Rep. gov to let's say Illinios or Mich or Cali who all believe as you do? PUTZ!

MITCH DANIELS FOR PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

California????? Wasn't Arnold Schwartzinager (a Republican) governor of California?????????????????? And aren't they over 20 Billion Dollars in debt?

starjack
01-26-2011, 06:37 PM
ELKHART, Ind. — The economy in the nation’s industrial heartland — as embodied by this manufacturing-reliant "RV capital of the world" — is growing again, with factories calling back some workers who lost their jobs in droves at the height of the recession. But as is the case in many parts of the country, the recovery here is really two tales of one city: one told by those who are hiring or being rehired, and another by those who so far have been left behind.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41197260/ns/business-eye_on_the_economy/

If the economy keeps improving the righties here will have 6 more years to complain about Obama.:-P
I know RK & UB will be glad to hear this because they are for anything that is good for America!

um well no still not worth it

duckheads
01-27-2011, 06:03 AM
California????? Wasn't Arnold Schwartzinager (a Republican) governor of California?????????????????? And aren't they over 20 Billion Dollars in debt?

Arnold is a RINO at best and if don't think cali is a democratically controlled state you are a bigger putz than I thought! How about MI and IL?

Jake Althaus
01-27-2011, 11:54 AM
Just think how much money our country could save if we stopped allowing immigrants a free ride!! Here in MN we give anyone a free ride it seems like except those who are out trying to work hard. If you do not have a job here you get paid to sit at home and ride the system. If you get a job they take that away and most times the free money is more than what the job will pay. Therefore, we have a ton of free loaders making no attempt to change their lifestyle. Just imagine all the extra money that would go around if it were not for these individuals!

Uncle Bill
01-29-2011, 01:30 PM
Just think how much money our country could save if we stopped allowing immigrants a free ride!! Here in MN we give anyone a free ride it seems like except those who are out trying to work hard. If you do not have a job here you get paid to sit at home and ride the system. If you get a job they take that away and most times the free money is more than what the job will pay. Therefore, we have a ton of free loaders making no attempt to change their lifestyle. Just imagine all the extra money that would go around if it were not for these individuals!


Besides you, Pawlenty, and Bachman, are there any real conservatives left in the Peoples Republic of Minnesooooota? We had a couple Global Warming advocates...fall-on-the-sword-for-Algore-types...posting here a while back. Haven't seen them since the stormy winter weather began.:rolleyes:

But I take it, you are opposed to 3 years of unemployment payouts? Obviously not a true unionist eh?

Good post. Keep up the effort. Eventually more in your state will see the folly of the Algores, Obamas, and Al Frankens....I hope.


UB

depittydawg
01-29-2011, 01:50 PM
California????? Wasn't Arnold Schwartzinager (a Republican) governor of California?????????????????? And aren't they over 20 Billion Dollars in debt?

Anyone who thinks Republicans don't love debt hasn't been paying attention. On the federal level, Republican leadership is responsibile for most of the debt the US now carries. They are also responsible for the philosphy of "Deficits don't matter". A direct quote from Dick Cheney. Hope they're right, cause we got a heap of debt and it isn't going away anytime soon.

Roger Perry
01-30-2011, 10:31 AM
Anyone who thinks Republicans don't love debt hasn't been paying attention. On the federal level, Republican leadership is responsibile for most of the debt the US now carries. They are also responsible for the philosphy of "Deficits don't matter". A direct quote from Dick Cheney. Hope they're right, cause we got a heap of debt and it isn't going away anytime soon.

You mean this quote?
Cheney to Treasury: "Deficits don't matter"

Former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill was told "deficits don't matter" when he warned of a looming fiscal crisis.

O'Neill, fired in a shakeup of Bush's economic team in December 2002, raised objections to a new round of tax cuts and said the president balked at his more aggressive plan to combat corporate crime after a string of accounting scandals because of opposition from "the corporate crowd," a key constituency. O'Neill said he tried to warn Vice President Dick Cheney that growing budget deficits-expected to top $500 billion this fiscal year alone-posed a threat to the economy. Cheney cut him off. "You know, Paul, Reagan proved deficits don't matter," he said, according to excerpts. Cheney continued: "We won the midterms (congressional elections). This is our due." A month later, Cheney told the Treasury secretary he was fired.
http://www.ontheissues.org/2004/Dick_Cheney_Budget_+_Economy.htm

BrianW
01-30-2011, 11:07 AM
. On the federal level, Republican leadership is responsible for most of the debt the US now carries. .
Ya sure about that?

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/111th-congress-added-more-debt-first-100

111th Congress Added More Debt Than First 100 Congresses Combined: $10,429 Per Person in U.S

In fact, the 111th Congress not only has set the record as the most debt-accumulating Congress in U.S. history, but also has out-stripped its nearest competitor, the 110th, by an astounding $1.262 trillion in new debt.

During the 110th Congress—which, according to the Clerk of the House (http://clerk.house.gov/art_history/house_history/Session_Dates/index.html), officially convened on Jan. 4, 2007 and adjourned on Jan. 4, 2009--the national debt increased $1.957 trillion. When that Congress adjourned less than two years ago, it claimed the record as the most debt-accumulating Congress in U.S. history. As it turned out, however, its record did not last long.

The $3.22 trillion in new federal debt run up during the 111th Congress exceeds by 64 percent the $1.957 trillion in new debt run up during the 110th

And what party was in charge?

Just a little reminder from Wiki -
The One Hundred Tenth United States Congress ... (from 2007 -2009)...
The Democratic Party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_%28United_States%29) controlled a majority (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majority) in both chambers for the first time since the end of the 103rd Congress (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/103rd_United_States_Congress) in 1995.
The One Hundred Eleventh United States Congress ... from January 3, 2009 until January 3, 2011. ...In the November 4, 2008 elections (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_elections,_2008), the Democratic Party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_%28United_States%29) increased its majorities (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majority) in both chambers.

Uncle Bill
01-30-2011, 01:27 PM
But...but...but, Brian. You can't provide those kind of "facts"....they want to be baffled by bullsheet!...HMMM, I think I may have introduced an oxymoron, eh?

Seriously, the Democrats don't want to be reminded of their blunders, they want it all to remain Bush's fault. The sad possibility of ALL this, is that as we get further and further away from the Bush era, Roger and his followers will vaporize, or have a house fall on them.:rolleyes:

Wouldn't THAT be some 'hope and change'???:D:D

UB

depittydawg
01-30-2011, 01:37 PM
But...but...but, Brian. You can't provide those kind of "facts"....they want to be baffled by bullsheet!...HMMM, I think I may have introduced an oxymoron, eh?

Seriously, the Democrats don't want to be reminded of their blunders, they want it all to remain Bush's fault. The sad possibility of ALL this, is that as we get further and further away from the Bush era, Roger and his followers will vaporize, or have a house fall on them.:rolleyes:

Wouldn't THAT be some 'hope and change'???:D:D

UB

Most Democrats who are budget hawks, like myslef, have no problem acknowledging the fact Democratic leadership has a spending problem. In fact, many democratic presidents have been at the helm while this budget problem has escalated.
What seems extraordinary to me, it the denial of so many Republicans that "their" party has been at least as guilty as the Dems. In fact the budget was only balance under one President in the last 30 years. That President was a Democrat and the congress was Republican. Maybe that's the combination that works in Washington.

ducknwork
01-31-2011, 07:01 AM
I'm confused. Post 56 is by deppitydawg. But when roger quoted it in the very next post, it is attributed to newlab.:confused::confused:

Maybe being sick this weekend has messed with my head quite a bit more than I thought. I guess there is a good reason why they say not to take more than 8 tylenols in a 24 hour period.

road kill
01-31-2011, 07:38 AM
I'm confused. Post 56 is by deppitydawg. But when roger quoted it in the very next post, it is attributed to newlab.:confused::confused:

Maybe being sick this weekend has messed with my head quite a bit more than I thought. I guess there is a good reason why they say not to take more than 8 tylenols in a 24 hour period.


The irony of that is when "Newlabs" was telling everyone on the main board what a stand up guy he is and how he only has one acount!


HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

How you doin' Cybil?????



RK

BrianW
01-31-2011, 08:44 AM
Duck, The alias issue came to a head and apparently Chris put handles back where they belong.

Welcome back, DD.