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BonMallari
01-28-2011, 03:20 PM
Here is you chance, you are the POTUS what do you do about the unrest in Egypt

Franco
01-28-2011, 03:23 PM
Keep our noses out of it as well as shut down all Foreign Aide to all countries.

No more paying Tribute cash for peace!

BonMallari
01-28-2011, 03:28 PM
I will start, the US has a real bad habit of sticking their noses in other countries business, we also have a bad habit of backing the wrong regime, only to have to remove them at a later date..Yes I know its a global concern, but it seems like when the US gets involved, US takes the biggest casualty hits...I am concerned about the loss of life and harm, but this is one fight where we need to stand down...my .02

dnf777
01-28-2011, 03:45 PM
I will start, the US has a real bad habit of sticking their noses in other countries business, we also have a bad habit of backing the wrong regime, only to have to remove them at a later date..Yes I know its a global concern, but it seems like when the US gets involved, US takes the biggest casualty hits...I am concerned about the loss of life and harm, but this is one fight where we need to stand down...my .02

considering that the tear-gas canisters have "made in USA" on them, I'd say we've already stuck our noses in it.

I would have Biden maintain commo with the Egyptian interior secy, and urge non-violent resolution. Short of that, I'm not sure there's much else we should do. Its not like they're being invaded by a foreign nation. This is civil strife, and unless we haven't learned a damn thing in the past 9 years in Iraq....

BonMallari
01-28-2011, 04:01 PM
considering that the tear-gas canisters have "made in USA" on them, I'd say we've already stuck our noses in it.

I would have Biden maintain commo with the Egyptian interior secy, and urge non-violent resolution. Short of that, I'm not sure there's much else we should do. Its not like they're being invaded by a foreign nation. This is civil strife, and unless we haven't learned a damn thing in the past 9 years in Iraq....

well so do the Grumann F-18's parked on the air force runways...But Muhbarek has been in power for 30 yrs, and been propped up by US funding for all these years...

dnf777
01-28-2011, 04:18 PM
well so do the Grumann F-18's parked on the air force runways...But Muhbarek has been in power for 30 yrs, and been propped up by US funding for all these years...

They sure do.

This is really sad. I have a co-worker from Cairo, who's wife is finishing her last year of med school there right now. I hope there is a peaceful ending to this soon.

Whether its China, Iran, or now Egypt, these protests remind me how fortunate we are in America, and that what we have came at a very great price as well. Being 230 years from our Revolution, I think we sometimes take our freedom for granted.

BonMallari
01-28-2011, 04:27 PM
One of my former asst managers recently retired in Israel, and I always fear for his safety any time violence breaks out in the Middle East..it is very difficult for us westerners to understand about a region we only know about from our news sources and talking heads along with preconceived notions about what they really want in their country

Uncle Bill
01-28-2011, 04:39 PM
What Franco said! And furthermore...what Franco said!



STOP SENDING $$$ TO THE BASTARDS!!!!


UB

Marvin S
01-28-2011, 04:45 PM
One of our specialists at TBC was an Egyptian. Educated there & quite talented. His comment about Mubarrak when he came into power, nothing will change, the graft just goes into a different account.

IMO, worth nothing, is we need to provide armament to maintain a balance of power between countries & factions, no cash for graft & keep a lot of nosy do-gooders wandering around over there bothering them. On their nickel of course :). How much cash have we provided Palestine & what good has it done? :(

Franco
01-28-2011, 05:30 PM
What Franco said! And furthermore...what Franco said!



STOP SENDING $$$ TO THE BASTARDS!!!!


UB

Thank you UB!

These protestors are demanding more democracy and less government corruption. I say, "let the situation run its coarse without our interference"!

We've spent over a trillion dollars on Iraq and thousands of American soldiers' lives and those people still don't know if they want to be a Democracy. Same for A'stan!

No more Forign Aide to any country and lets take care of ourselves for now.

JDogger
01-28-2011, 05:49 PM
I voted stay out of it, but fill your gas tank. Today's surge in oil might only be the begining. The Suez canal is a vital link in the global economy. Isn't it about time to let the Middle-east solve their own problems?

dnf777
01-28-2011, 05:51 PM
I voted stay out of it, but fill your gas tank. Today's surge in oil might only be the begining. The Suez canal is a vital link in the global economy. Isn't it about time to let the Middle-east solve their own problems?

I wonder if that's what the NYSE was thinking about today? :-x

Franco
01-28-2011, 06:15 PM
U S 6th Fleet will keep the Suez Canal open if needed. I don't see a disruption in the flow of oil but, that won't stop speculators from driving the price up.

The higher the cost of oil the lower the market value of the great majority of stocks.

BrianW
01-28-2011, 06:23 PM
For years we've "invested" in Egypt, Jordan and Lebanon to try & keep a 'semi" friendly buffer around Israel. Now Lebanon has been taken over by Hezbollah and (I'll bet) that Egypt turns into an Iranian type "democracy" :rolleyes: in a relatively short matter of time.
So either side we back will be the "wrong" one. Hosni either becomes the next Shah and comes down eventually w/ even more US resentment in the meantime or we "encourage peaceful elections & transfer of power with no idea what will truly happen.
Lose/lose.

Franco
01-28-2011, 06:27 PM
For years we've "invested" in Egypt, Jordan and Lebanon to try & keep a 'semi" friendly buffer around Israel. Now Lebanon has been taken over by Hezbollah and (I'll bet) that Egypt turns into an Iranian type "democracy" :rolleyes: in a relatively short matter of time.
So either side we back will be the "wrong" one. Hosni either becomes the next Shah and comes down eventually w/ even more US resentment in the meantime or we "encourage peaceful elections & transfer of power with idea what will truly happen.
Lose/lose.

One of the large local militias is called The Muslim Brotherhood and they are backing Moobaric(sp).

JDogger
01-28-2011, 06:45 PM
Rumors will now fly rampant. I went to Walgreens a little while ago, and the local AM right-wing talk show was saying that wikileaks has released some cables that indicate we having been backing the opposition with training and $ for some time now.

Roger Perry
01-29-2011, 07:11 AM
It's Obamas fault.

Goose
01-30-2011, 12:14 PM
Who's better off? A country ruled for 30 years under a tyrannical regime lead by Hose-Me Mubarak or a country ruled for 2 years under a tyrannical regime lead by Barack Hussein Obama?

But Egypt's just one of many nations protesting fuel prices, food prices, inflation issues, tuition fees, jobs, oil shortages and price controls and the solution is so simple. Grab the Ber-Nank (Greenspan, too) and all the other central bankers and keynesians (especially Krugman) and fly 'em over to Cairo and leave them in the streets. Make sure the 'folk' realize that these are the slugs responsible for all the destructive money printing going on today. I could think of a few Wall Streeters to ship over, too but that's a different topic.

Riots, demonstrations and death in places like: South Chile, Buenos Aires, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Cairo, Jordan, Sudan, Yemen, Iran, Oman, Sri Lanka, India, Pakistan, China, S. Korea, Great Britain, Russia, and Egypt. It's coming here soon. Pretty cool, huh? Next time you see a keynesian...give him a hug!

We live in Cuba now.

Uncle Bill
01-30-2011, 02:16 PM
It's called "trying to appease the something for nothing crowd". It's rampant. The socialists/fascists that continue to take from the providers and give to the takers, are now finding the providers don't have enough to keep the takers at bay. When you add in the thugs that couldn't care less about how they take down a government, just so they can come to power, Egypt is just one of the many involved in the powder keg.

Like I said in 2009 as the immaculation was taking place, the gloom and doom year in the Obama regime will be 2011. It didn't take a prognosticator to see it coming, anyone with a modicum of insight could have predicted it.

In the USA, it's a matter of time until the riots start happening. It will take more than a small injection of new conservative thought in Congress, to lift the concerns of the 'providers' that take on new employees.

While Wall Street and the stock market continue to be in their own world of speculators, the small businessman on main street has pared back to the bare nuts and bolts, and it will take some real "show me the beef" before they loosen their purse strings to add more help.

UB

Goose
01-31-2011, 10:21 AM
I can just see President Obama chompin' down on some good ol' kobe beef watching Egyptian tv in the White House. He's probably invited a couple of friends over for the kobe beef feast...maybe the Ber-Nank and Krugman, too and they're all pointing at the tv with a mouthful of food laughing at some poor, young Egyptian man throwing rocks at a tank because he has no future and he has no food.

I saw this from another website and it's the new Keynesian motto. We Print, You Starve and We Enjoy It!

We live in Cuba now.

BonMallari
01-31-2011, 10:46 AM
I cant be the only one sick of the 24/7 coverage of the happenings in Egypt by both Fox and CNN...enough already..there is other news in the world..really frustrating how the media takes a story and literally beats it to death just so they can cover it,scrutinize and analyze..I really dont care to see round the clock riots...and then the other alternative programming is doing the same thing about a football game between two teams where I have zero emotional attachment...

road kill
01-31-2011, 11:05 AM
Who would be better equiped to deal with this?

Hillary Clinton

Dr. Condeleeza Rice

Just askin'......


RK

ducknwork
01-31-2011, 11:12 AM
Who would be better equiped to deal with this?

Hillary Clinton

Dr. Condeleeza Rice

Just askin'......


RK

Hillary could just scare them back into submission.

http://i474.photobucket.com/albums/rr104/sedwards_08/misc/hillary-clinton-scary1.jpg

BonMallari
01-31-2011, 11:13 AM
Who would be better equiped to deal with this?

Hillary Clinton

Dr. Condeleeza Rice

Just askin'......


RK


Neither...even though they will never admit it, Middle Eastern cultures still look at women as property and dont show them the same respect as men..didnt Jimmy Carter get a Nobel Peace Prize for brokering a deal between Sadat and Begin, that lasted for days:rolleyes: and then of course we have BHO who also received a Nobel Peace prize, for what I'm not sure..

M&K's Retrievers
01-31-2011, 11:33 AM
Neither...even though they will never admit it, Middle Eastern cultures still look at women as property and dont show them the same respect as men..didnt Jimmy Carter get a Nobel Peace Prize for brokering a deal between Sadat and Begin, that lasted for days:rolleyes: and then of course we have BHO who also received a Nobel Peace prize, for what I'm not sure..

There's always Madeleine Albright. :rolleyes: Bons, correct. They do not like dealing with women. Probably 'cause they know they can't win.

huntinman
01-31-2011, 11:45 AM
Hillary could just scare them back into submission.

http://i474.photobucket.com/albums/rr104/sedwards_08/misc/hillary-clinton-scary1.jpg

Imagine waking up next to that...

chew my arm off regards

M&K's Retrievers
01-31-2011, 11:51 AM
Imagine waking up next to that...

chew my arm off regards

I don't think he does.

Goose
01-31-2011, 02:17 PM
Brent crude over $100. That's so cool! I'm sure that will help everybody unless you eat and heat. Thanks, Ben.

We live in Cuba now.

Granddaddy
01-31-2011, 03:24 PM
I chose 'other' at this point. While Mubarak has been a semi-dictator, he is at least a secular leader. We will want no part of the Muslim Brotherhood who seems to be pushing ElBaradei - the former head of the UN's IAEA. The Muslim Brotherhood will give an outward appearance as moderate yet will be as radical as any of the jihad groups in the Middle East.

Hard-line radical islamists consistently use the call for 'democracy" to seize power, then rule as a ruthless islamic state. Egyptians will think Mubarak was the picture of democracy, if that happens - especially since there is a much larger secular populace in Egypt versus other middle east countries with a much large western business presence. All this & probably the worse oil crisis we have yet seen. And BTW, the 2nd leader of al qaeda is Egyptian & a former member of the Muslim Brotherhood....

A very good friend is from Egypt and tells me that if the Muslim Brotherhood gains legal status and is allowed to operate freely in Egypt, it will be another Iran. Secular intellectuals in Iran were used to depose the Shah of Iran during Jimmy Carter's presidency, then Khoemeini returned to Iran. He then proceded to kill, deport or jail the same secular intellectuals who brought down the Shah, and the world has been faced with radical jihad ever since.

Unfortunately, I don't think the Obama Admin will provide any more leadership than did Carter and the world, as we know it & would like it (peaceful), will be forever worse for it.

dnf777
01-31-2011, 06:01 PM
Who would be better equiped to deal with this?

Hillary Clinton

Dr. Condeleeza Rice

Just askin'......


RK

Good question.

I would add Richard Cohen and Bill Clinton to the mix.

And who negotiated the peace that has lasted up until this day?

BonMallari
01-31-2011, 06:12 PM
Good question.

I would add Richard Cohen and Bill Clinton to the mix.

And who negotiated the peace that has lasted up until this day?


Did you mean former Sec of State William Cohen....a very good choice...and I actually think Bill Clinton would be able to reason with them but only if Hilary gives him his testicles back...:p:p

dnf777
01-31-2011, 06:45 PM
Did you mean former Sec of State William Cohen....a very good choice...and I actually think Bill Clinton would be able to reason with them but only if Hilary gives him his testicles back...:p:p

Yes, thank you. I met the man and shook his hand at Eskan Village....you think I'd get his name right!

He has always struck me as a reasonable, insightful person. Both he and SecDef Gates have shown great statesmanship, in rising above partisan lines to serve their country under opposition administrations. My hat is off to them.

Perhaps a delegation of Condy, Carter, and Cohen could put together a peace deal for the new Egypt?