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huntinman
02-04-2011, 03:29 PM
He is tellings us that he is monitoring the situation in Egypt closely. He condemns the violence. Violence will not solve the problems. Egypts future will be determined by it's people...blah blah blah Then what the hell is he talking about then?

BrianW
02-04-2011, 08:01 PM
Thousands of people are violently demonstrating in Cairo against the President and the governemnt's current policies.
Obama says Mubarak must step down to acknowledge the will of the people.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2011/0205/1224289070419.html
In recent days, the Obama administration has stepped up pressure on Mr Mubarak to depart quickly, proposing, among other solutions, that Mubarak resign immediately
Mr Obama said he has spoken to Mr Mubarak twice since the crisis began, and that each time he “emphasised the future of Egypt is going to be in the hands of Egyptians”.
He (Obama) said he was “sending a strong and unequivocal message” that “attacks on reporters are unacceptable. Attacks on human rights activists are unacceptable. Attacks on peaceful protesters are unacceptable.” He said he was “encouraged by the restraint that was shown” yesterday.

Just a hypothetical question: On 8/28/2010, thousands of American people peacefully demonstrated against Obama and his policies in Washington DC. at the "Restoring Honor" Rally.
So, I ask, Why didn't PBO step down? :confused:

And we wonder why our credibility as a country is questioned?

Double standard regards.

dnf777
02-04-2011, 08:44 PM
Just a hypothetical question: On 8/28/2010, thousands of American people peacefully demonstrated against Obama and his policies in Washington DC. at the "Restoring Honor" Rally.
So, I ask, Why didn't PBO step down? :confused:

And we wonder why our credibility as a country is questioned?

Double standard regards.

Uh...maybe because just two years ago he was legally elected by not only the Constitutionally mandated electoral college (that we all know about now thanks to RK :D) but by one of the largest popular majorities in recent times. He now also carries a greater than 50% approval rating.

I think our credibility is more jeopardized by starting unjust wars against the will of not only the majority of Americans, but also the international community, including most of our allies.

Apples and oranges regards...

ducknwork
02-04-2011, 09:01 PM
I think our credibility is more jeopardized by starting unjust wars against the will of not only the majority of Americans, but also the international community, including most of our allies.

You are starting to sound like RP now. :rolleyes:

For the record, I don't think that it was against the will of the majority of Americans when the wars started, was it?

dnf777
02-04-2011, 09:03 PM
You are starting to sound like RP now. :rolleyes:

For the record, I don't think that it was against the will of the majority of Americans when the wars started, was it?

Not the Afghanistan war. I think that had near unanimous support--- That was going after the SOB who hit our homeland. Iraq? Still don't know why. Maybe Rummie's book will reveal some reasons.

Blackstone
02-04-2011, 09:08 PM
Thousands of people are violently demonstrating in Cairo against the President and the governemnt's current policies.
Obama says Mubarak must step down to acknowledge the will of the people.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2011/0205/1224289070419.html
In recent days, the Obama administration has stepped up pressure on Mr Mubarak to depart quickly, proposing, among other solutions, that Mubarak resign immediately
Mr Obama said he has spoken to Mr Mubarak twice since the crisis began, and that each time he “emphasised the future of Egypt is going to be in the hands of Egyptians”.
He (Obama) said he was “sending a strong and unequivocal message” that “attacks on reporters are unacceptable. Attacks on human rights activists are unacceptable. Attacks on peaceful protesters are unacceptable.” He said he was “encouraged by the restraint that was shown” yesterday.

Just a hypothetical question: On 8/28/2010, thousands of American people peacefully demonstrated against Obama and his policies in Washington DC. at the "Restoring Honor" Rally.
So, I ask, Why didn't PBO step down? :confused:

And we wonder why our credibility as a country is questioned?

Double standard regards.

I dont' think the two are remotely the same.

M&K's Retrievers
02-04-2011, 09:43 PM
My tongue is getting chewed up.

BrianW
02-04-2011, 11:42 PM
Uh...maybe because just two years ago he was legally elected by not only the Constitutionally mandated electoral college (that we all know about now thanks to RK :grin:) but by one of the largest popular majorities in recent times. He now also carries a greater than 50% approval rating.

Apples oranges regards...

Thanks for pointing that out Dave, I was hoping somebody would.
I do realize, and am extremely thankful for, the orderly (?) :confused: process that we have in place to transfer authority.


But - The primary justification for this "call for change" seems to be "a popular uprising".
Pure "democracy", mob rule.
If that is the only thing that is needed to justify a transfer of power, why shouldn't it apply elsewhere as well?

What about the Constitution of the Arab Republic of Egypt which is the fundamental law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution) of Egypt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt). It was adopted on September 11, 1971 through a public referendum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Referendum).
Does mob rule supplant that?
From Wiki :
After the revolution that led to the overthrow of the monarch, King Farouk, and the declaration of the republic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic), President Nasser adopted the nation’s first written constitution as a republic in 1956... In 1964, President Nasser once again introduced a new written constitution for the republic as the 1963 Provisional Constitution. In 1971, when President Anwar Sadat took office, he moved to the adoption of a new democratic constitution that would allow more freedoms, a return of a more sound parliamentary life and correct democratic practice with the return of political parties and a bicameral parliamentary system.
...
in both 2005 and early 2007. The last amendments were the most comprehensive with 34 articles of the constitution changed. These amendments were mainly proposed by the National Democratic Party to move the country’s political and economic tendencies further away from socialism and more towards capitalism.

Right now in Egypt it's approaching the total antithesis of what our country stands for, imo.
But that's what our president is pushing for, bypass the Constitution.
I wonder why that could be?.

This is why the constant calls for "our democracy" in our country are so dangerous, imo.
Because we don't live in a "democracy", we live in a republic.
"If we can keep it" in old Ben's words. :confused:

Gerry Clinchy
02-04-2011, 11:43 PM
This really has nothing to do with Obama. Mubarak has been in power for 30 years.

In this case, the US continues to not demand less autocracy and corruption in the regimes it has backed. As was mentioned on the other thread, they did the same in Cuba & Viet Nam. You'd think they'd get the message that this MO isn't working very well. Then, again, when we look at the character of many in our Congress, are we surprised that they can tell corruption when they see it? :-(