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BrianW
03-01-2011, 08:36 PM
http://www.examiner.com/law-enforcement-in-national/sharia-rally-nation-s-capital-to-feature-radical-islamist

The New York based Islamic Thinkers Society is organizing a huge protest this week in Washington D.C. to support Sharia law in the U.S. and restoration of the Islamic Caliphate. Their web site states: “Our objective is to resume the Islamic way of life to which will fulfill the purpose of the aim. Our objective is to bring back the apparatus that was destroyed in 1924 i.e. Khilafah (Caliphate)”

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/33792
Islamist rally calling for Sharia law in U.S. must go forward

If the event does take place, American citizens will have the opportunity to see something that the media has largely kept hidden – that there is a segment of the American population that wants to subjugate our society under Islamic law. That is not to say that all American Muslims prefer Sharia by default – the group has to import speakers from Britain. The event itself may be appalling, but it provides Americans the perfect opportunity to learn the facts about Sharia and begin a national discussion as to whether Sharia is permissible in our society. If Americans can hear for themselves the words of those calling for an Islamic state in our country, rather than the secondhand soft-soaping we are likely to get from the New York Times or MSNBC, that will have a far greater impact.

What a better way to show the strength of the Constitution than to allow those who would destroy it to air their views, eh?

Franco
03-01-2011, 08:52 PM
The issue of Sheria Law being incorporated into The Constitution will be debated until a definite resolution. This shouldn't even be an issue except that those that are pushing it see an opportunity within our government.

The USA should adobt the same bill that the citizens of Oklahoma passed a few months back, banning of Sheria Law within the state.

Seems simple to me and sends a clear message.

charly_t
03-01-2011, 11:58 PM
The issue of Sheria Law being incorporated into The Constitution will be debated until a definite resolution. This shouldn't even be an issue except that those that are pushing it see an opportunity within our government.

The USA should adobt the same bill that the citizens of Oklahoma passed a few months back, banning of Sheria Law within the state.

Seems simple to me and sends a clear message.

I think the muslims are contesting that ( big time ). Sorry to say I have not kept up with what is going on with it now.

BonMallari
03-02-2011, 01:48 AM
sharia law in the US is just an extreme version of political correctness on steroids. I am so tired of, the press 1 for english, press 2 for spanish...I work in the restaurant business , but there is nothing more rude than fellow employees speaking their "native" language while at work...This is the USA, if you aren't proud enough to speak ENGLISH, then GET OUT..my folks did our family a great service, they knew for us to be accepted in the community that we speak english, and speak it well..they never encouraged any of us kids to speak tagalog,because as my dad would say " we are Americans who happen to be of Filipino descent, not the other way around"

I grow weary when people ask, where are you from, whats your heritage...and I proudly say, I'm from Texas or I was raised and educated in Southern Calif..people are always expecting some Asian country

this sharia law crap is an attempt to get another precedent on the books , so muslims can use the" I dont recognize your laws" defense...people need to wake up stop this kind of legislation..The US Constitution is the basis for the law of the land, if you dont like it , get the heck out of my country

dnf777
03-02-2011, 06:16 AM
sharia law in the US is just an extreme version of political correctness on steroids. I am so tired of, the press 1 for english, press 2 for spanish...I work in the restaurant business , but there is nothing more rude than fellow employees speaking their "native" language while at work...This is the USA, if you aren't proud enough to speak ENGLISH, then GET OUT..my folks did our family a great service, they knew for us to be accepted in the community that we speak english, and speak it well..they never encouraged any of us kids to speak tagalog,because as my dad would say " we are Americans who happen to be of Filipino descent, not the other way around"

I grow weary when people ask, where are you from, whats your heritage...and I proudly say, I'm from Texas or I was raised and educated in Southern Calif..people are always expecting some Asian country

this sharia law crap is an attempt to get another precedent on the books , so muslims can use the" I dont recognize your laws" defense...people need to wake up stop this kind of legislation..The US Constitution is the basis for the law of the land, if you dont like it , get the heck out of my country

Great post. Not sure why that message is so resistant to spread?

My whole MIL family speaks tagalog, (not publically, justin their homes) and I'll tell ya....everytime I overhear her on the phone with her relatives in Cebu City, I run in expecting to have to perform a Heimlich! I've never heard a more bizarre language! I'm all for preservation of heritage and culture, but IN THE HOME and at FESTIVALS.....not where I work.

ksabot.. ra ako nsabtan regards.....

BrianW
03-02-2011, 09:02 AM
I do have to say that I find the timing of this rally "an item of concern", in view of world events and as possibly viewed by those like Louis Farrakhan. Apparently in his speech at the NOI's (;)) "Saviors's Day" event this past weekend, he spoke of "for those that love war over peace and injustice over justice..., this is the day of your doom, the end of your world..." "What you are looking at in Tunisia, Egypt,.. and Libya, coming soon to the rest of the world, and even sooner to take place in America..." "You'd better prepare because it is coming to your door" and basically warned Obama "You better heed your instructions for the rest of world & the Egyptians, ... and be reminded when it comes to your door

And hundreds (at least) of Americans are cheering this on, right here in Rosemont, Il. So whether or not you or I believe it, these people apparently do and evidently want it to happen.
Now I'm NOT saying that all of these, or even any of them in the audience, are terrorists.
But, imo, this is not just "Louis the Lip"'s normal bombastic Islamist diatribe, this sounds like a call to action.

What do y'all think?

Gerry Clinchy
03-02-2011, 10:16 AM
I'm all for preservation of heritage and culture, but IN THE HOME and at FESTIVALS.....not where I work.



Really agree with this, too.

I don't think it's a bad thing to preserve a language facility with one's ancestral origins. Do we remember how the Native Americans helped with communications during WW II? It was the "code" that the enemy could NOT break. Was it helpful, as well, to have Americans who could speak German, Italian or Japanese during that time? What about the dearth of interpreters for the current unrest in the Middle East?

Mostly we Americans depend on other countries to speak English. I think there is some responsibility on us to encourage knowledge of other languages as well.

This does NOT mean that we should become a multi-lingual country in our laws. I've heard many complain of the issues this creates in Canada where French & English are both "official" languages. Not what we need here! OTOH, there are many good reasons for individuals to be multi-lingual ... for international commerce and our own self-interest in the world today. Even in private sector dealings, if we have to depend on an interpreter for our dealings, how do we know that our thoughts are being conveyed correctly?

A friend's son is a successful attorney bi-lingual in English/Russian! Makes some good bucks! Learning Russian for him (of Anglo-Saxon ancestry) was sort of a "lark", but it turned out to be a very valuable skill. Imagine the same is true for Chinese today.

In fact, the whole idea of the US being a melting pot is one of its greatest strengths. It's existence is living proof that many and varied cultures can co-exist to the benefit of all.

Uncle Bill
03-02-2011, 11:27 AM
The USA should adobt the same bill that the citizens of Oklahoma passed a few months back, banning of Sheria Law within the state.

Seems simple to me and sends a clear message.


Even better would be to adopt the views of the Lady in Australia:

UB

Australian Prime Minister does it again!!

Thiswoman should be appointedQueenof the World.. Truer words have never been spoken.It took a lot of courage for thiswomanto speak whatshehad to say for the world to hear. The retribution could be phenomenal, but at leastshewas willing to take a stand onherand Australia 's beliefs.
The whole worldneeds a leader like this!


Prime Minister Julia Gillard - Australia

Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia , as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks..


Separately, Gillard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by sayingshe supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques. Quote:
'IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT.. Take It Or Leave It.

I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians. '

'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom'

'We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society . Learn the language!'

'Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.'

'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.'

'This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.'

'If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.'

Hunchaser
03-02-2011, 11:51 AM
I'm from Alberta so I don't usually comment on politics in the U.S.A. as it's non of my business. This is a - just to let you know post - Ontario was going to allow Sharia Law to be imposed on their population. At the last minute it didn't happen because Sharia Law treats women like 3rd or 4th class citizens and the women rights people stood up and said no way! The lefty politicians backed away and are now hiding under the lily pads waiting for the next time to try and damage my country.

You would think that the strong women's right movement in the US would be all over this.

BonMallari
03-02-2011, 02:05 PM
I'm from Alberta so I don't usually comment on politics in the U.S.A. as it's non of my business. This is a - just to let you know post - Ontario was going to allow Sharia Law to be imposed on their population. At the last minute it didn't happen because Sharia Law treats women like 3rd or 4th class citizens and the women rights people stood up and said no way! The lefty politicians backed away and are now hiding under the lily pads waiting for the next time to try and damage my country.

You would think that the strong women's right movement in the US would be all over this.


You would think, but since they didnt come to the aid of Palin when she was attacked in the media, they only support those that further their agenda

BrianW
03-02-2011, 03:18 PM
You would think that the strong women's right movement in the US would be all over this.

I wonder about that too when we see the ostensibly feminst anchors & reporters that are all over women's isues here; glass ceilings, equal work/pay, etc., suddenly submissive & covering the heads with scarves when they go on location in the Mid East.
Yes, I know some will say they're just "showing respect for the culture" but it seems a sell out of their 'principles" for the $'s/ratings.

BrianW
03-03-2011, 09:12 AM
http://www.shariah4america.com/Press-Releases/Anjem-Press-Release

SHARIAH4AMERICA DEMONSTRATION POSTPONED

"We are facing a new colonization by America in the name of helping the people..."
Ironic, isn't it, that our "liar, warmongering dictator " President (his words, not mine) is now being accused of being a colonist himself of the people he would ostensibly free? :p

"Our message to the American people has been distorted by the media..."
"the oppression (in the world) is because of man made law.
From the ITS website http://www.islamicthinkers.com/index/index.php "Democracy is hypocrisy" - "Rule by divine law not man made law"

"Communism is dead - Capitalism is dying - Islam is the solution"

"Our judgment will not come until a group of (?) arise and conquer the White House"

Oh, I think we're getting Choudary's "message" just fine, thank you.

YardleyLabs
03-03-2011, 09:25 AM
Unfortunately, the notion of divine law crosses religions. It exists among Muslims, Christians, Jews, Hindus, etc. Personally, I believe religion has no place in civil law.

That does not mean that the civil laws of a country reject notions of morality that may also be stipulated in one or more religions. What it does mean is that the justification and interpretation of laws is based in civil process, not a religious one. There is also nothing preventing individuals from living their lives in a manner consistent with the laws of their religion as long as, by doing so, they are not breaking other civil laws and they are not demanding that others conform to those laws as well.

Fears of Sharia law are no more relevant than fears of Canonical law, the laws of Leviticus, or Talmudic law. It is only an issue when fanatics attempt to usurp civil law in favor of their own brands of religion.

BrianW
03-03-2011, 09:46 AM
It is only an issue when fanatics attempt to usurp civil law in favor of their own brands of religion.

And what they're willing to do in pursuit of that goal, the usurpation.
The Ahmedehijads, the Farrakhans, the Choudary's etc labeled as fanatics or whatever, still have a lot of power, influence and money to advance what they believe. And that's why it is and will be an issue, "in our children's lifetime",

YardleyLabs
03-03-2011, 01:01 PM
And what they're willing to do in pursuit of that goal, the usurpation.
The Ahmedehijads, the Farrakhans, the Choudary's etc labeled as fanatics or whatever, still have a lot of power, influence and money to advance what they believe. And that's why it is and will be an issue, "in our children's lifetime",
Ahmadinejad clearly has power in Iran, but his influence outside of Iran is limited. Neither Farrakhan nor Choudary is very influential outside of a very small group of followers (not including most blacks or Muslims in America or most Muslims in England). In fact, without the attention of the paranoid press, both would fade into nothing. The fact is that each country gets to determine its own laws. There are many radical Christians in this country who believe that our laws should follow those of the Bible. I put them in the same basket with those who want other forms of religious law to be the basis of governments. Fortunately, we live in a secular country where that is prohibited by our Constitution. Many other countries have no such guarantees. However, I do not see how their decisions in favor of different legal structures for their own countries rises to the level of being a threat to us. It is certainly not in the same class as the threat represented by religious extremists inside our own borders, some of whom occupy seats in the halls of Congress. Happily, Pennsylvania fired Santorum, who fits the role of religious extremist perfectly.

road kill
03-03-2011, 01:29 PM
Unfortunately, the notion of divine law crosses religions. It exists among Muslims, Christians, Jews, Hindus, etc. Personally, I believe religion has no place in civil law.

That does not mean that the civil laws of a country reject notions of morality that may also be stipulated in one or more religions. What it does mean is that the justification and interpretation of laws is based in civil process, not a religious one. There is also nothing preventing individuals from living their lives in a manner consistent with the laws of their religion as long as, by doing so, they are not breaking other civil laws and they are not demanding that others conform to those laws as well.

Fears of Sharia law are no more relevant than fears of Canonical law, the laws of Leviticus, or Talmudic law. It is only an issue when fanatics attempt to usurp civil law in favor of their own brands of religion.

I beleive it was Lord Chamberlain that thought we need not fear the Nazi's, wasn't it???:rolleyes:


RK

zeus3925
03-03-2011, 10:07 PM
From Wikipedia:
"Examiner.com has been criticized for its lack of verification and fact-checking of stories published on the site,[19] including accusations of plagiarism."

"Examiner.com is blacklisted on Wikipedia and cannot be used as a reliable source."

dnf777
03-03-2011, 10:13 PM
You would think, but since they didnt come to the aid of Palin when she was attacked in the media, they only support those that further their agenda

No feminist would ever lay claim to Sarah Palin. She voted against equal pay legislation, which is near the top of their platform.

BrianW
03-03-2011, 11:46 PM
Zeus, what is the point you're trying to make?
a) There actually was no shariah rally planned for today?
b) There is no "Islamic Thinker Society" website?
c) The video "postponement" statement by Choudary is false/a hoax?

huntinman
03-04-2011, 09:03 AM
No feminist would ever lay claim to Sarah Palin. She voted against equal pay legislation, which is near the top of their platform.

When and where?

BrianW
03-04-2011, 09:17 AM
So, traditional Judeo-Christian values are more of a threat to our country than those of radical Islam? :confused:
How many Talmudic Jewish or Catholic leaders are making speeches calling for the chaos of the Middle East to "come to our door" and saying "this is the day of your doom"?

And a foreign national that declares "capitalism is dying"/ "democracy is hypocrisy" and that the WH will be "conquered" isn't even the "in the same class of threat" as a former Senator that once swore an oath to "support and defend the Constitution" ? :roll:
Choudary is a whack job whose group is calling for the Statue of Liberty to be destroyed because it's a symbol of "man made law", not just someone who wants " a different legal structure".

The radicals have "relatively few" followers? Out of over a billion Muslims, technically that's true.
But 20,000 - 50,000 for NoI itself, millions in Iran alone, that is many.

The actual establishment of shariah in the US, is of little relevance.
But what the 'relatively few' are willing to do to try to get it established, is relevant and worthy of discussion, imo. We just got a reminder in Germany that it doesn't take "many".

zeus3925
03-05-2011, 09:33 AM
Zeus, what is the point you're trying to make?
a) There actually was no shariah rally planned for today?
b) There is no "Islamic Thinker Society" website?
c) The video "postponement" statement by Choudary is false/a hoax?

Provide a link, please.

BrianW
03-05-2011, 10:02 AM
Provide a link, please.
Look at the OP please.

zeus3925
03-06-2011, 09:57 AM
Look at the OP please.

You have one for the Islamists?

caryalsobrook
03-06-2011, 11:07 AM
From Wikipedia:
"Examiner.com has been criticized for its lack of verification and fact-checking of stories published on the site,[19] including accusations of plagiarism."

"Examiner.com is blacklisted on Wikipedia and cannot be used as a reliable source."

I don't know anything about examiner.com but I would like to nominate Al Gore for that list:)

JackCreek
03-11-2011, 03:01 PM
Even better would be to adopt the views of the Lady in Australia:

UB

Australian Prime Minister does it again!!

Thiswoman should be appointedQueenof the World.. Truer words have never been spoken.It took a lot of courage for thiswomanto speak whatshehad to say for the world to hear. The retribution could be phenomenal, but at leastshewas willing to take a stand onherand Australia 's beliefs.
The whole worldneeds a leader like this!


Prime Minister Julia Gillard - Australia

Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia , as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks..


Separately, Gillard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by sayingshe supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques. Quote:
'IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT.. Take It Or Leave It.

I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians. '

'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom'

'We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society . Learn the language!'

'Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.'

'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.'

'This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.'

'If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.'


AMEN!!!!

But the grand plan is now and always has been world domination. People really need to study their history and delve much further into this topic than mainstream media and "feel-good" ideas; sharing, compassionate understanding, live and let live, etc. We live in extremely dangerous times and choices we make now will have consequences that will change who our forefathers had hoped we would be.

I'm usually a lurker and tend to keep to myself (on RTF), but this is one topic scares me to my very core!!

charly_t
03-11-2011, 04:24 PM
AMEN!!!! ........this is one topic scares me to my very core!!

Ditto ! Very good post.

Gerry Clinchy
03-11-2011, 09:20 PM
Interesting observation I read yesterday ... Islam is about 600 years younger than Christianity (and much younger than Judaism) ... if you go back 600 years that's about 1400. Back then Christianity was in an "aggressive" stage ... like the Inquisition, military Popes, burning witches.

Unfortunately, none of us will be around to see whether Islam ever passes through the same evolution as Christianity.