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Roger Perry
03-02-2011, 09:08 PM
WASHINGTON — As politicians in Washington — and across the country — seek to cut spending to reduce their budget deficits, the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll finds that the American public is divided about how far they should go.
In the poll, eight in 10 respondents say they are concerned about the growing federal deficit and the national debt, but more than 60 percent — including key swing-voter groups — are concerned that major cuts from Congress could impact their lives and their families.
What’s more, while Americans find some budget cuts acceptable, they are adamantly opposed to cuts in Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security and K-12 education.
And although a combined 22 percent of poll-takers name the deficit/government spending as the top issue the federal government should address, 37 percent believe job creation/economic growth is the No. 1 issue.

Republican pollster Bill McInturff, who conducted the survey with Democratic pollster Peter D. Hart, says these results are a “cautionary sign” for a Republican Party pursuing deep budget cuts.
He points out that the Americans who are most concerned about spending cuts are core Republicans and Tea Party supporters, not independents and swing voters.
“It may be hard to understand why a person might jump off a cliff, unless you understand they’re being chased by a tiger,” he said. “That tiger is the Tea Party.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41876558/ns/politics/

Gerry Clinchy
03-02-2011, 09:16 PM
I sure hope that GAO report gets plenty of mileage ... there can be plenty of cuts that don't change a think at the consumer level.

Matt McKenzie
03-03-2011, 06:54 AM
Everyone wants the government to cut spending as long as it only affects someone else. Evidently none of us are willing to take a collective hit for the team. It's the same mentality that got Greece in a bind. Unfortunately, our leaders are politicians and don't have what it takes to make tough decisions because they are too worried about the next election.

road kill
03-03-2011, 07:10 AM
WASHINGTON — As politicians in Washington — and across the country — seek to cut spending to reduce their budget deficits, the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll finds that the American public is divided about how far they should go.
In the poll, eight in 10 respondents say they are concerned about the growing federal deficit and the national debt, but more than 60 percent — including key swing-voter groups — are concerned that major cuts from Congress could impact their lives and their families.
What’s more, while Americans find some budget cuts acceptable, they are adamantly opposed to cuts in Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security and K-12 education.
And although a combined 22 percent of poll-takers name the deficit/government spending as the top issue the federal government should address, 37 percent believe job creation/economic growth is the No. 1 issue.

Republican pollster Bill McInturff, who conducted the survey with Democratic pollster Peter D. Hart, says these results are a “cautionary sign” for a Republican Party pursuing deep budget cuts.
He points out that the Americans who are most concerned about spending cuts are core Republicans and Tea Party supporters, not independents and swing voters.
“It may be hard to understand why a person might jump off a cliff, unless you understand they’re being chased by a tiger,” he said. “That tiger is the Tea Party.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41876558/ns/politics/

Well, if you progressives don't like the policies of the fiscal conservatives, vote them out in 2012.

In the mean time, they are doing what the electorate ELECTED them to do.:D


RK

BonMallari
03-03-2011, 08:58 AM
Everyone wants the government to cut spending as long as it only affects someone else. Evidently none of us are willing to take a collective hit for the team. It's the same mentality that got Greece in a bind. Unfortunately, our leaders are politicians and don't have what it takes to make tough decisions because they are too worried about the next election.


Nail on the head right there,everyone wants a bi partisan compromise as long as its the other side that is doing the compromising

Goose
03-03-2011, 10:21 AM
WASHINGTON — As politicians in Washington — and across the country — seek to cut spending to reduce their budget deficits, the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll finds that the American public is divided about how far they should go.
In the poll, eight in 10 respondents say they are concerned about the growing federal deficit and the national debt, but more than 60 percent — including key swing-voter groups — are concerned that major cuts from Congress could impact their lives and their families.
What’s more, while Americans find some budget cuts acceptable, they are adamantly opposed to cuts in Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security and K-12 education.
And although a combined 22 percent of poll-takers name the deficit/government spending as the top issue the federal government should address, 37 percent believe job creation/economic growth is the No. 1 issue.

Republican pollster Bill McInturff, who conducted the survey with Democratic pollster Peter D. Hart, says these results are a “cautionary sign” for a Republican Party pursuing deep budget cuts.
He points out that the Americans who are most concerned about spending cuts are core Republicans and Tea Party supporters, not independents and swing voters.
“It may be hard to understand why a person might jump off a cliff, unless you understand they’re being chased by a tiger,” he said. “That tiger is the Tea Party.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41876558/ns/politics/

Right on, brother! I feel your pain and I'm right there with ya'. I'm also adamantly opposed to aging. I hate waking up on my birthday and being one year older so I've been working on a WayBack machine and I'm almost finished and once I'm finished I'm going to set the WayBack dials to 1960 and shoot myself back in time. But this time I'm going to buy stock in that fruit company just like Gump!

But for the rest of you rock sacks who are adamantly opposed to spending cuts let me make a couple of suggestions. First, grow a mustache, (it'll hide the stretch marks) and go out and purchase a pair of knee pads. With knee pads in tow fly to China and beg the ChiComs to loan you more stash because we're freaking broke and we don't have any stash other than what others give us or what the Ber-Nank prints.

Secondly, draft up a contract to be signed by all your sons and daughters (grandchildren, too) that will force them to work two or three jobs simultaneously throughout their lives so that they can pay for the ridiculous lifestyle you promised to yourself.

And will one of you adamantly opposed clingers please count up the number of government institutions in this country that aren't bankrupt and let us know what the number is.

We live in Cuba now.

Gerry Clinchy
03-03-2011, 09:14 PM
adamantly opposed to cuts in Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security and K-12 education.


I think that these things have to be separated from each other.

A "working poor" health insurance program for adults (children are covered under another program) in PA was recently shut down. The monthly premium for an adult was $36! Medicare recipients pay something over $100/mo. for Part B. The PA program simply went broke. Seems that it could have lasted longer if the participants were paying at least what a Medicare recipient is paying?

Catch 22 to O'care is that these people can't go into the state risk-pools until they are without coverage for at least 6 mos. And the premiums for these risk pools are a LOT higher than $36/mo. Wouldn't it have been better for all concerned if the premium for the discontinued program had been a little higher to keep the program available? I'm guessing that 550,000 people see that now.

I think we have to look at what our expenditures in K-12 education are yielding before we simply throw more money into something that isn't producing a very high quality product.

We quickly forget that SS would be in pretty good shape if the Congress hadn't filched the fund with accounting hocus pocus, and started adding benefits to the program that were never intended in the original concept.

I've gotten several phone call surveys, and most of the time the questions are asked in such a way that the outcome can almost be predicted from the way the questions are asked. When I run into those kinds of questions, I refuse to answer one way or another, as there is no way that a simple yes or no is sufficient.

Roger Perry
03-04-2011, 09:05 AM
Well, if you progressives don't like the policies of the fiscal conservatives, vote them out in 2012.

In the mean time, they are doing what the electorate ELECTED them to do.:D


RK

Yes, the conservatives got elected but in their campaigning did they state what they were going to do and how they were going to do it ie busting unions, cutting $900,000 out of school funds ect.?????????

huntinman
03-04-2011, 09:07 AM
Yes, the conservatives got elected but in their campaigning did they state what they were going to do and how they were going to do it ie busting unions, cutting $900,000 out of school funds ect.?????????

Yep, in fact most of the weenie libs that got elected did it by pretending to be conservative (till they took the oath)

road kill
03-04-2011, 09:35 AM
Yes, the conservatives got elected but in their campaigning did they state what they were going to do and how they were going to do it ie busting unions, cutting $900,000 out of school funds ect.?????????
The Republicans and Scott Walker in particular were quite clear in their message.
I had no confusion whatsoever.
I worked for Walker and knew exactly what his plans were/are.

And they got elected!!


RK

Roger Perry
03-04-2011, 09:53 AM
The Republicans and Scott Walker in particular were quite clear in their message.
I had no confusion whatsoever.
I worked for Walker and knew exactly what his plans were/are.

And they got elected!!


RK

I don't see anywhere in his campaign promises that he would bust unions or cut $900 million from school funds:confused:

Jobs and economy
Some voters scoffed at Walker"s pledge to create 250,000 jobs in his four-year term. But economists are as likely as not to say that's a good bet.
Wisconsin has lost more than 155,000 jobs since the recession began, though private sector employment is up 34,700 in the last year, state figures show.
It went with less notice, but Walker also promised 10,000 new businesses would be created.
Walker didn't show many cards on his economic development strategy — targeted tax cuts, restructuring a state agency, staying in touch with business leaders — but his concrete job pledge makes this an easy one to track.
Education
Walker and Republicans in the Capitol are primed to remove enrollment caps on private school choice and on virtual charter schools.
That was a Walker promise, along with bringing back the "qualified economic offer” system for school labor negotiations.
Walker also promised to grade schools based on quality, allow more teachers without education degrees and end social promotion for third graders who can't read up to standard.
"Nothing he proposed was out of reach,” said Olsen, who will chair the Senate Education Committee.
Perhaps the most controversial Walker education pledge is removing residency requirements for teachers.
Milwaukee city officials long have fought that, saying that ending residency would drain middle-class residents from the city; Walker says it's an arbitrary barrier that keeps qualified teachers from applying in certain districts.
Natural Resources
From the specific (appoint "Whitetail Deer trustee”) to the broad (allow increased access to state lands), Walker made a big play for hunter-voters, promising a less-regulated deer hunt and a more "hunter friendly” Department of Natural Resources.
It appears many of his promises in this area are within his power. For instance: He wants a farmer on the DNR board, audits of fish and wildlife spending and a study group on hunting and the environment.
Here is a link to his campaign promises

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/promises/walk-o-meter/browse/?page=1

duckheads
03-04-2011, 11:25 AM
How again is he busting the unions? Please try to use your own words as I am asking your opinion not that of the huffington post's or any other liberal blogeshere you frequent daily.

road kill
03-04-2011, 11:29 AM
I don't see anywhere in his campaign promises that he would bust unions or cut $900 million from school funds:confused:

Jobs and economy
Some voters scoffed at Walker"s pledge to create 250,000 jobs in his four-year term. But economists are as likely as not to say that's a good bet.
Wisconsin has lost more than 155,000 jobs since the recession began, though private sector employment is up 34,700 in the last year, state figures show.
It went with less notice, but Walker also promised 10,000 new businesses would be created.
Walker didn't show many cards on his economic development strategy — targeted tax cuts, restructuring a state agency, staying in touch with business leaders — but his concrete job pledge makes this an easy one to track.
Education
Walker and Republicans in the Capitol are primed to remove enrollment caps on private school choice and on virtual charter schools.
That was a Walker promise, along with bringing back the "qualified economic offer” system for school labor negotiations.
Walker also promised to grade schools based on quality, allow more teachers without education degrees and end social promotion for third graders who can't read up to standard.
"Nothing he proposed was out of reach,” said Olsen, who will chair the Senate Education Committee.
Perhaps the most controversial Walker education pledge is removing residency requirements for teachers.
Milwaukee city officials long have fought that, saying that ending residency would drain middle-class residents from the city; Walker says it's an arbitrary barrier that keeps qualified teachers from applying in certain districts.
Natural Resources
From the specific (appoint "Whitetail Deer trustee”) to the broad (allow increased access to state lands), Walker made a big play for hunter-voters, promising a less-regulated deer hunt and a more "hunter friendly” Department of Natural Resources.
It appears many of his promises in this area are within his power. For instance: He wants a farmer on the DNR board, audits of fish and wildlife spending and a study group on hunting and the environment.
Here is a link to his campaign promises

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/promises/walk-o-meter/browse/?page=1

Gee whiz Roger, I am shocked that you just simply don't get it.
Walker is NOT busting the union.
He talked in great detail about cutting state spending and how that would be done.

RK

Roger Perry
03-04-2011, 02:57 PM
The Republicans and Scott Walker in particular were quite clear in their message.
I had no confusion whatsoever.
I worked for Walker and knew exactly what his plans were/are.

And they got elected!!


RK

They got "elected" alright, now we will see what the people will say after seeing their method of operation. Waiting for 2012 elections;-)

road kill
03-04-2011, 03:04 PM
They got "elected" alright, now we will see what the people will say after seeing their method of operation. Waiting for 2012 elections;-)

Here is a shock for you.....I hardly see you as a spokesman for the people of WI.
In fact, I am certain you are not.

RK

Roger Perry
03-04-2011, 03:08 PM
Here is a shock for you.....I hardly see you as a spokesman for the people of WI.
In fact, I am certain you are not.

RK

I am speaking of the elections in general not just the elections in Wisconsin. The "R's" are starting to show their true intentions and I do not think the "people" are liking it.

road kill
03-04-2011, 03:09 PM
I am speaking of the elections in general not just the elections in Wisconsin. The "R's" are starting to show their true intentions and I do not think the "people" are liking it.


Well I think the people ARE liking it.

And I think your side is gonna get your heinies kicked even worse next election.:D


RK

Roger Perry
03-04-2011, 03:19 PM
Well I think the people ARE liking it.

And I think your side is gonna get your heinies kicked even worse next election.:D


RK

We shall see.;-)

road kill
03-04-2011, 03:21 PM
We shall see.;-)
Yes we shall.
You didn't learn in the last election, maybe.......nevermind, you'll never learn.



RK

Roger Perry
03-04-2011, 03:46 PM
Yes we shall.
You didn't learn in the last election, maybe.......nevermind, you'll never learn.



RK

Oh, I think the people have learned alot since the last election.

road kill
03-04-2011, 03:49 PM
Oh, I think the people have learned alot since the last election.
Yeah, they have, I 'm not talking about "the people,"' I'm talking about YOU!!!!



RK