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Roger Perry
03-15-2011, 12:37 PM
With 100,000 protesters rallying in Madison,Wisconsin (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=44.5,-89.5&spn=3.0,3.0&q=44.5,-89.5%20%28Wisconsin%29&t=h) this past Saturday to protest the union-busting tactics ofRepublican (http://www.gop.com/) Gov.Scott Walker (http://www.4ad.com/scottwalker/), the cracks may already be showing in the great tea party takeover of government.
Public opinion polls show a majority ofAmericans (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=38.8833333333,-77.0166666667&spn=10.0,10.0&q=38.8833333333,-77.0166666667%20%28United%20States%29&t=h) didn’t like Walker’s tactics in Wisconsin. Sarah Palin (http://twitter.com/sarahpalinusa)‘s popularity is dropping while nutcases from the rabid right like Michelle Bachmann makes voters who fell for their “we’re gonna change things in Washington” line regret their decision last November.
Which creates a fascinating politicial conundrum: Voters aren’t happy with Obama and the Demorats, they don’t care much for Republicans and now they are having second thoughts about all those tea party “reformers” they voted into office.
Oh, the fickle American voter.
The problem, of course, is that the typical American voter is just plain fed up with government, politics and the people they elect to office.. The dissatisfaction crosses party lines. Democrats aren’t happy with Obama, Republicans wonder what happened to their party and the tea baggers realized they drank a witch’s brew.
Meanwhile, theKoch brothers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch_family) sit in their palatial offices back in Wichita, high-fiving each other because all they disarray appears to be playing right into their hands to seize control of theAmerican government (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_government_of_the_United_States) for their own profiteering.
But the Kochs and the conservatives and the tea baggers may have overplayed their hand. With a growing number of voters already starting to show signs of buyer’s remorse and excesses like Scott Walker re-energizing the Democratic union base, the voter anger in 2012 just might be directed at them.
When a governor’s action brings 100,000 protesters to a state capital, those who deal in using voter anger to their advantage start to take notice.
The Kochs are used to operating in secret but their involvement in the tea party movement and debacles like Wisconsin have brought them into the public eye and they can’t stand public scrutiny.
As owners of one of the largest privately-held conglomerates in the world, they aren’t used to having to answer to anyone but themselves. That could change because of Wisconsin and — if it does — it is change that is long overdue.
Their involvement and agenda are out in the open now and a growing number of Americans realize that the phony grassroots operation called the tea party is nothing more than a sham organization fronting for two billionaires who are nothing more than modern-day robber barons who want absolute control of the American government.

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/39602

dnf777
03-15-2011, 12:47 PM
...and a growing number of Americans realize that the phony grassroots operation called the tea party is nothing more than a sham organization fronting for two billionaires who are nothing more than modern-day robber barons who want absolute control of the American government.

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There are lots of good, well-meaning people who got swept up in what appreared to be a good thing.....but the above passage speaks to the organization and goals of the corporate backers of the TP. Worth repeating.

Cody Covey
03-15-2011, 01:13 PM
There are lots of good, well-meaning people who got swept up in what appreared to be a good thing.....but the above passage speaks to the organization and goals of the corporate backers of the TP. Worth repeating.

Funny sounds like exactly what most of us here believe about unions...

road kill
03-15-2011, 01:16 PM
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RK

huntinman
03-15-2011, 01:26 PM
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RK

Roger and Little Rog ride again!!

BonMallari
03-15-2011, 01:34 PM
RP, you have a habit of copy/pasting articles from other authors and even though you show a link, you fail to quote that author, or sometimes YOUR header doesnt match the author's premise....

I could care less what other authors write and their opinions, but stop trying to pass them off as YOUR opinions or your writings.....it's real simple , just add quotation marks around the entire article so we can see that the article was written by a third party...and if you agree with the article ,then state that claim

because you are basically plagiarizing someone else work without giving proper credit

M&K's Retrievers
03-15-2011, 01:43 PM
With 100,000 protesters rallying in Madison,Wisconsin (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=44.5,-89.5&spn=3.0,3.0&q=44.5,-89.5%20%28Wisconsin%29&t=h) this past Saturday to protest the union-busting tactics ofRepublican (http://www.gop.com/) Gov.Scott Walker (http://www.4ad.com/scottwalker/), the cracks may already be showing in the great tea party takeover of government.
Public opinion polls show a majority ofAmericans (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=38.8833333333,-77.0166666667&spn=10.0,10.0&q=38.8833333333,-77.0166666667%20%28United%20States%29&t=h) didn’t like Walker’s tactics in Wisconsin. Sarah Palin (http://twitter.com/sarahpalinusa)‘s popularity is dropping while nutcases from the rabid right like Michelle Bachmann makes voters who fell for their “we’re gonna change things in Washington” line regret their decision last November.
Which creates a fascinating politicial conundrum: Voters aren’t happy with Obama and the Demorats, they don’t care much for Republicans and now they are having second thoughts about all those tea party “reformers” they voted into office.
Oh, the fickle American voter.
The problem, of course, is that the typical American voter is just plain fed up with government, politics and the people they elect to office.. The dissatisfaction crosses party lines. Democrats aren’t happy with Obama, Republicans wonder what happened to their party and the tea baggers realized they drank a witch’s brew.
Meanwhile, theKoch brothers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch_family) sit in their palatial offices back in Wichita, high-fiving each other because all they disarray appears to be playing right into their hands to seize control of theAmerican government (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_government_of_the_United_States) for their own profiteering.
But the Kochs and the conservatives and the tea baggers may have overplayed their hand. With a growing number of voters already starting to show signs of buyer’s remorse and excesses like Scott Walker re-energizing the Democratic union base, the voter anger in 2012 just might be directed at them.
When a governor’s action brings 100,000 protesters to a state capital, those who deal in using voter anger to their advantage start to take notice.
The Kochs are used to operating in secret but their involvement in the tea party movement and debacles like Wisconsin have brought them into the public eye and they can’t stand public scrutiny.
As owners of one of the largest privately-held conglomerates in the world, they aren’t used to having to answer to anyone but themselves. That could change because of Wisconsin and — if it does — it is change that is long overdue.
Their involvement and agenda are out in the open now and a growing number of Americans realize that the phony grassroots operation called the tea party is nothing more than a sham organization fronting for two billionaires who are nothing more than modern-day robber barons who want absolute control of the American government.

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/39602

Perhaps you should consider your source who by his own admission has on numerous times recanted or withdrawn articles as being untrue.

http://www.dougthompson.com

"Yes, I'm That Doug Thompson"

Check it out regards,

Roger Perry
03-15-2011, 01:54 PM
RP, you have a habit of copy/pasting articles from other authors and even though you show a link, you fail to quote that author, or sometimes YOUR header doesnt match the author's premise....

I could care less what other authors write and their opinions, but stop trying to pass them off as YOUR opinions or your writings.....it's real simple , just add quotation marks around the entire article so we can see that the article was written by a third party...and if you agree with the article ,then state that claim

because you are basically plagiarizing someone else work without giving proper credit

Along with the article, I posted a link to the whole article written therefore I am not plagiarizing anything.

M&K's Retrievers
03-15-2011, 02:30 PM
RP, you have a habit of copy/pasting articles from other authors and even though you show a link, you fail to quote that author, or sometimes YOUR header doesnt match the author's premise....

I could care less what other authors write and their opinions, but stop trying to pass them off as YOUR opinions or your writings.....it's real simple , just add quotation marks around the entire article so we can see that the article was written by a third party...and if you agree with the article ,then state that claim

because you are basically plagiarizing someone else work without giving proper credit

Oh, I don't think anyone here would make that mistake. :rolleyes:

dnf777
03-15-2011, 02:36 PM
More childish attacks from RK et al. I wish those guys would grow up some day.

The article was referenced and linked. More than one of the hypocrits here is capable of. :rolleyes:

Have a nice day guys, and try to stay on topic. Your attacks are really getting old.

Roger Perry
03-15-2011, 02:53 PM
"David Koch and Rupert Murdoch have plenty of water boys like Scott Walker" (http://iflizwerequeen.com/?p=6461)



David Koch and Rupert Murdoch have conspired with Scott Walker against the workers of Wisconsin and indeed against the workers of the USA.

"As part of AlterNet’s coverage of the Kochs and Murdoch over the last two years, they reported how Koch’s Americans for Prosperity Foundation synced an annual conference with Glenn Beck’s rally last summer at the Lincoln Memorial, offering discounted hotel rooms and bus travel to attendees (http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2010/08/20/americans-for-prosperity-offers-bushotel-packages-for-glenn-beck-lincoln-memorial-event/), as well as day-long shuttle service between the conference hotel and the rally.
Perhaps you remember the collusion (http://www.alternet.org/news/142481/big_business%27s_hidden_hand_in_the_smear_job_on_v an_jones/) reported between Americans for Prosperity and Fox News in creating the furor that pushed Van Jones from the White House.
You may also recall our report on a 2009 Americans for Prosperity Foundation conference (http://www.alternet.org/news/142068/utilizing_public_airwaves,_media_mogul_murdoch_is_ big_muscle_behind_fraudulent_astro_turfers/) at which one-third of the speakers on a 15-speaker plenary agenda were on the payroll of a Murdoch entity. Two of those speakers, John Fund and Stephen Moore, hail from the Wall Street Journal; Moore sits on the newspaper’s editorial board. So it should come as no surprise to find both Fund and Moore carrying Koch’s water in this fight."


"I too have spent the last three years reporting on the antics of David Koch and his propaganda mill known as “Americans for Prosperity.” This is the same bunch of greedy bastards who cheered when the USA lost our bid to host the Olympics in Chicago. Winning that bid would have immediately created thousands of jobs for Americans and would have ultimately infused our economy with billions of dollars and these pigs cheered and high-fived one another when they heard the news. There are YouTube videos of them doing it."
RE DAVID KOCH

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd138/eeberry/DAVIDKOCHFREEDOM.jpg (http://s222.photobucket.com/albums/dd138/eeberry/?action=view&current=DAVIDKOCHFREEDOM.jpg)

http://iflizwerequeen.com/?p=6461

You happy now MK I privided quotation marks and provided a reference.;-)

M&K's Retrievers
03-15-2011, 03:04 PM
"David Koch and Rupert Murdoch have plenty of water boys like Scott Walker" (http://iflizwerequeen.com/?p=6461)



David Koch and Rupert Murdoch have conspired with Scott Walker against the workers of Wisconsin and indeed against the workers of the USA.

"As part of AlterNet’s coverage of the Kochs and Murdoch over the last two years, they reported how Koch’s Americans for Prosperity Foundation synced an annual conference with Glenn Beck’s rally last summer at the Lincoln Memorial, offering discounted hotel rooms and bus travel to attendees (http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2010/08/20/americans-for-prosperity-offers-bushotel-packages-for-glenn-beck-lincoln-memorial-event/), as well as day-long shuttle service between the conference hotel and the rally.
Perhaps you remember the collusion (http://www.alternet.org/news/142481/big_business%27s_hidden_hand_in_the_smear_job_on_v an_jones/) reported between Americans for Prosperity and Fox News in creating the furor that pushed Van Jones from the White House.
You may also recall our report on a 2009 Americans for Prosperity Foundation conference (http://www.alternet.org/news/142068/utilizing_public_airwaves,_media_mogul_murdoch_is_ big_muscle_behind_fraudulent_astro_turfers/) at which one-third of the speakers on a 15-speaker plenary agenda were on the payroll of a Murdoch entity. Two of those speakers, John Fund and Stephen Moore, hail from the Wall Street Journal; Moore sits on the newspaper’s editorial board. So it should come as no surprise to find both Fund and Moore carrying Koch’s water in this fight."


"I too have spent the last three years reporting on the antics of David Koch and his propaganda mill known as “Americans for Prosperity.” This is the same bunch of greedy bastards who cheered when the USA lost our bid to host the Olympics in Chicago. Winning that bid would have immediately created thousands of jobs for Americans and would have ultimately infused our economy with billions of dollars and these pigs cheered and high-fived one another when they heard the news. There are YouTube videos of them doing it."
RE DAVID KOCH

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd138/eeberry/DAVIDKOCHFREEDOM.jpg (http://s222.photobucket.com/albums/dd138/eeberry/?action=view&current=DAVIDKOCHFREEDOM.jpg)

http://iflizwerequeen.com/?p=6461

You happy now MK I privided quotation marks and provided a reference.;-)

What chew talkin bout Willis? I didn't say anything about your providing references or quotes. I said your reference was dubious at best and shakey at the least.

Get it straight regards,

BonMallari
03-15-2011, 03:25 PM
I was the one that requested the quotation marks and references....let's just say RP and I dont read from the same websites and blogs....

personally here on POTUS , I respect someone who states their own personal opinion and uses an article to back up their claim on facts and statistics....I get tired of reading other op ed pieces from those on the right or left..I can do that on my own..talk to me in your own language, not written by some other journalist..I want to know what you think,that is if you have a personal or original thought

If we were out having lunch or even dog training...tell me what YOU know or what YOU think...not what Rex Carr was thinking...if I wanted to know that I would just call Lanse and ask him what Rex really meant

Marvin S
03-15-2011, 05:42 PM
IMO - the MSM, their friends the union thugs & the overcompensated public employees hope they can convince enough people that is how it happened ;-). But as most know, most honest folk will make the correct choice given the facts.

I don't figure 100K showing for a rally with 300K public employees in the state is indicative of the attitude of most. I would lay odds that less than 1/2 actually were employed in WI.

Last Sunday Parade had a listing of "What People Make". The majority of 40K to 100+K jobs were in the public sector. The 17K to 35K & Mil jobs were in the private sector. Who pays for those 40K to 100+K positions, those making 17K to 35K & the Mil folks w/o bennies.

I used to subscribe to New Yorker, the magazine was edgy & mostly well written with great cartoons. Henrik Herzberg got to be too much to take so I no longer subscribe & support their efforts. I can pick up enough of their best stuff at the local library for 12 copies for $1. So they lost my support as did the WSJ when Al Hunt was a editorial page correspondent. Like you Roger, your jokes are OK but the rest of your stuff originated on another planet. Do you tell your customers how wierd you are????????

M&K's Retrievers
03-15-2011, 06:44 PM
What chew talkin bout Willis? I didn't say anything about your providing references or quotes. I said your reference was dubious at best and shakey at the least.

Get it straight regards,

Well??????

Roger Perry
03-15-2011, 08:25 PM
Well??????
I got it straight. Bon was the one asking for the quotation marks. Sorry

M&K's Retrievers
03-15-2011, 08:47 PM
Perhaps you should consider your source who by his own admission has on numerous times recanted or withdrawn articles as being untrue.

http://www.dougthompson.com

"Yes, I'm That Doug Thompson"

Check it out regards,


I got it straight. Bon was the one asking for the quotation marks. Sorry

Not a problem but I was referring to the post about your buddy Doug Thompson as cited above.

M&K's Retrievers
03-15-2011, 11:18 PM
Not a problem but I was referring to the post about your buddy Doug Thompson as cited above.

Hey, Roger! Why don't you read the link and respond or have you and can't?

M&K's Retrievers
03-16-2011, 11:52 AM
Hey, Roger! Why don't you read the link and respond or have you and can't?

Still waiting. It's a short article and you've had almost 24 hours to respond.

Roger Perry
03-16-2011, 12:44 PM
Still waiting. It's a short article and you've had almost 24 hours to respond.

I think that in the last election (mid term) it was more important for the Republicans to get out and vote which they did. Now that the people are seeing what the Tea Party's real colors are and the agenda's they are trying to pass I think the Republican party is in for a rude awakening in the November 2012 elections. Of course that is just my humble opinion and I am sure others here will not share the same view.

M&K's Retrievers
03-16-2011, 01:00 PM
I think that in the last election (mid term) it was more important for the Republicans to get out and vote which they did. Now that the people are seeing what the Tea Party's real colors are and the agenda's they are trying to pass I think the Republican party is in for a rude awakening in the November 2012 elections. Of course that is just my humble opinion and I am sure others here will not share the same view.

That has nothing to do with the link I referred you to that refuted your original thread. Dodging the question?

Cody Covey
03-16-2011, 01:10 PM
I think that in the last election (mid term) it was more important for the Republicans to get out and vote which they did. Now that the people are seeing what the Tea Party's real colors are and the agenda's they are trying to pass I think the Republican party is in for a rude awakening in the November 2012 elections. Of course that is just my humble opinion and I am sure others here will not share the same view.

Those damn republicans trying to cut the deficit and reduce debt. How dare they!

Roger Perry
03-16-2011, 01:18 PM
That has nothing to do with the link I referred you to that refuted your original thread. Dodging the question?

Sounds like with as many articles he authored he was bound to be wrong some of the times. Probably right more times than he was wrong.;-) The national enquire has not been right on every story yet the right here have quoted it on more than one occasion.:rolleyes:

M&K's Retrievers
03-16-2011, 10:16 PM
Sounds like with as many articles he authored he was bound to be wrong some of the times. Probably right more times than he was wrong.;-) The national enquire has not been right on every story yet the right here have quoted it on more than one occasion.:rolleyes:

Are you sure you are still a real estate agent? I'm not sure I'd list a property with someone who cannot respond to questions.

road kill
03-17-2011, 07:44 AM
How do you BEAT 14 runners????








1 Walker!!!

RK

starjack
03-17-2011, 02:16 PM
How do you BEAT 14 runners????








1 Walker!!!

RK

Good one:):):):)