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Losthwy
03-20-2011, 08:44 AM
The political skill of the administration in dealing with Libya and setting up a no fly zone is to be applauded. Instead of acting unilaterally, or "Bush League" as I call it. They get the Arab League to come out first and endorse action. The UN security council votes for action, with likely backroom maneuvering for Russia and China to abstain. They get France to take a lead. They are working on getting other Arab countries to maintain the no fly zone. There will debate on whether we got in too early, too late, shouldn't of got involved etc. The no spin zone will be doing it's spin, and the other right wing talking comedians... er ...heads will find fault, they always do. How this turns out only time will tell. But there was skill on how it started. No, it wasn't bush league.

BrianW
03-20-2011, 11:13 AM
No, it definitely wasn't "Bush" league, ie "the Cowboy way" where it took us 3 years to "rush to war" in Iraq "for oil"..

Anyone else notice that France has contracts to build 2 nuke plants in Tunisia (now in turmoil), that are set to be operational in 2019? Also that a huge solar farm is planned for the Tunisian desert and to be powerlined to southern Europe. In addition the French are one of Libya's biggest customers?

No, this is "The Chicago Way" where you can get your own personal little gang war for cheap energy, oops, "to spread democracy" in about a month. But it looks like this "war for oil" will be ok with the left, since it was started by the socialists against another socialist? :confused:

Julie R.
03-20-2011, 03:32 PM
No, the current POTUS simply waffled and wrung his hands and refused to do anything against a staunch supporter (never mind the staunch supporter is a butcher and terrorist thug) until world pressure forced his hand. Even the Washinton Post derides his lack of leadership in an above-the-fold editorial. I will give it to you lost, you got one part right--even the left and left-loving media is questioning BHO's abject lack of decisiveness. Even Hillary urged doing something long before our wishy washy lightweight leader.

dnf777
03-20-2011, 06:36 PM
No, the current POTUS simply waffled and wrung his hands and refused to do anything against a staunch supporter (never mind the staunch supporter is a butcher and terrorist thug) until world pressure forced his hand. Even the Washinton Post derides his lack of leadership in an above-the-fold editorial. I will give it to you lost, you got one part right--even the left and left-loving media is questioning BHO's abject lack of decisiveness. Even Hillary urged doing something long before our wishy washy lightweight leader.

Just because someone isn't jumping in with guns blazing, willy-nilly, without taking time to consider the consequences....doesn't mean they're indecisive.

All the Bush disciples should take notes on this operation. Just up to this point, I'm sure they're in awe of how a military/state operation should be run.

Yes, Hilary urged action sooner. Gates urged more restraint. The president waited until a multinational concensus, including the Arab league, solidified against Kahdafi, then acted. As a result, its not just American taxpayers and American troops carrying the load. Pretty nice, eh? The conservatives out there ought to applaud his carefully planned actions.

Pals
03-20-2011, 06:50 PM
Just because someone isn't jumping in with guns blazing, willy-nilly, without taking time to consider the consequences....doesn't mean they're indecisive.

All the Bush disciples should take notes on this operation. Just up to this point, I'm sure they're in awe of how a military/state operation should be run.

Yes, Hilary urged action sooner. Gates urged more restraint. The president waited until a multinational concensus, including the Arab league, solidified against Kahdafi, then acted. As a result, its not just American taxpayers and American troops carrying the load. Pretty nice, eh? The conservatives out there ought to applaud his carefully planned actions.

:rolleyes:that 'independent' moniker that you so blithely fling around must give you a real sense of "I'm so above it all", because with each post you become more delusional. And if Bill want's to give me crap for making a joke about a post that is his decision, not the class tattletales.

dnf777
03-20-2011, 06:58 PM
:rolleyes:that 'independent' moniker that you so blithely fling around must give you a real sense of "I'm so above it all", because with each post you become more delusional. And if Bill want's to give me crap for making a joke about a post that is his decision, not the class tattletales.

1) Please elaborate on what you feel is delusional.
2) I have no idea what Bill or to what joke you are talking about. Who's being delusional now?
3) Not sure how being independent makes one above it all???
4) was there anything untrue in my statement that makes you think it was delusional? If not, maybe I'm not the one who's delusional? ;)

Losthwy
03-20-2011, 07:12 PM
Just because someone isn't jumping in with guns blazing, willy-nilly, without taking time to consider the consequences....doesn't mean they're indecisive.

All the Bush disciples should take notes on this operation. Just up to this point, I'm sure they're in awe of how a military/state operation should be run.

Yes, Hilary urged action sooner. Gates urged more restraint. The president waited until a multinational consensus, including the Arab league, solidified against Kahdafi, then acted. As a result, its not just American taxpayers and American troops carrying the load. Pretty nice, eh? The conservatives out there ought to applaud his carefully planned actions.

It should be obvious now that there was a great amount of work being done behind the scenes leading up to the events yesterday. Not only are we not carrying all the load. But, not seen around the world as blind aggressors again. And yes the conservatives ought to applaud his carefully planned actions. Just as the President George Bush carefully orchestrated the the first gulf war. But they won't. I recall Rush, a day after Obama's election, calling the recession "Obama's Recession" as a case in point. So much poison. And so it goes.

dnf777
03-20-2011, 07:15 PM
Just because someone isn't jumping in with guns blazing, willy-nilly, without taking time to consider the consequences....doesn't mean they're indecisive.

All the Bush disciples should take notes on this operation. Just up to this point, I'm sure they're in awe of how a military/state operation should be run.

Yes, Hilary urged action sooner. Gates urged more restraint. The president waited until a multinational consensus, including the Arab league, solidified against Kahdafi, then acted. As a result, its not just American taxpayers and American troops carrying the load. Pretty nice, eh? The conservatives out there ought to applaud his carefully planned actions.

It should be obvious now that there was a great amount of work being done behind the scenes leading up to the events yesterday. Not only are we not carrying all the load. But, not seen around the world as blind aggressors again. And yes the conservatives ought to applaud his carefully planned actions. Just as the President George Bush carefully orchestrated the the first gulf war. But they won't. I recall Rush, a day after Obama's election, calling the recession "Obama's Recession" as a case in point. So much poison. And so it goes.

We must be co-delusional! ;)

road kill
03-20-2011, 07:41 PM
[QUOTE=Losthwy;771533]

We must be co-delusional! ;)

I wouldn't get carried away with your circle jerk here, this is far from over.
It may well be the cleanest military event ever, but we do NOT know that yet.


RK

BonMallari
03-20-2011, 07:52 PM
I wouldn't get carried away with your circle jerk here, this is far from over.
It may well be the cleanest military event ever, but we do NOT know that yet.


RK

major understatement....not the time for high fives and body slams...

dnf777
03-20-2011, 08:35 PM
Surely nobody here is hoping for failure just to make Obama look bad, is there??!

I hope not. I would hope to see support for our troops at this time, and prayers for a swift, decisive victory.

No high fives yet.

M&K's Retrievers
03-20-2011, 08:51 PM
Obama doesn't need help looking bad. He does a wonderful job at that on his own.

huntinman
03-20-2011, 08:54 PM
:rolleyes:that 'independent' moniker that you so blithely fling around must give you a real sense of "I'm so above it all", because with each post you become more delusional. And if Bill want's to give me crap for making a joke about a post that is his decision, not the class tattletales.

Nancy, common sense and logic will not work on Little Rog...aka DNF. He just changes the subject and has his own little debate. Schizophrenia? He pretends to be sincere, but is full of crap from what I can see.

BonMallari
03-20-2011, 08:55 PM
Surely nobody here is hoping for failure just to make Obama look bad, is there??!

I hope not. I would hope to see support for our troops at this time, and prayers for a swift, decisive victory.

No high fives yet.


Dont be silly...there are human lives at stake...

Lucky Seven
03-20-2011, 09:12 PM
Surely nobody here is hoping for failure just to make Obama look bad, is there??!

I hope not. I would hope to see support for our troops at this time, and prayers for a swift, decisive victory.

No high fives yet.

Surely, guys like you and Roger Perry were NOT looking for us to loose the Iraq war to make Bush look bad, were you ??

Ken Bora
03-20-2011, 09:49 PM
It should be obvious now that there was a great amount of work being done behind the scenes leading up to the events yesterday.

yup,
I agree. And it is a good thing our prez was on vaca in Rio. Or he would have had a hand in that work, or not:rolleyes:



.

M&K's Retrievers
03-20-2011, 10:03 PM
yup,
I agree. And it is a good thing our prez was on vaca in Rio. Or he would have had a hand in that work, or not:rolleyes:



.

Obama and Maynard G. Krebbs have the same response. "WORK??"

I may be the only one old enough to remember regards,

Losthwy
03-20-2011, 10:54 PM
[quote=dnf777;771534]

I wouldn't get carried away with your circle jerk here, this is far from over.
It may well be the cleanest military event ever, but we do NOT know that yet.
RK

To quote Ronald Reagan,"There he goes again". What part of the OP didn't you read? The part about how it started was with skill or only time will tell how it will end? Once again, like I said the right wing will spin this, like your comment, into a negative.
The ball is blue. Right wing- "well the ball should of been a deeper blue. And it should of been blue sooner. And too early tell how blue it will get". Turn on your radios tomorrow, pick your poison Rush-Han-Sav-whomever and not one will give any credit to the President. Just like you.

Buzz
03-20-2011, 11:09 PM
[quote=road kill;771551]

To quote Ronald Reagan,"There he goes again". What part of the OP didn't you read? The part about how it started was with skill or only time will tell how it will end? Once again, like I said the right wing will spin this, like your comment, into a negative.
The ball is blue. Right wing- "well the ball should of been a deeper blue. And it should of been blue sooner. And too early tell how blue it will get". Turn on your radios tomorrow, pick your poison Rush-Han-Sav-whomever and not one will give any credit to the President. Just like you.


I turn on the radio daily and listen to these arse hats. That way I know exactly what I'm going to see on RTF the next time I take a peek.

Buzz
03-20-2011, 11:14 PM
[QUOTE=dnf777;771534]

I wouldn't get carried away with your circle jerk here, this is far from over.
It may well be the cleanest military event ever, but we do NOT know that yet.


RK

The day Bush stood under the Mission Accomplished banner, my father-in-law watching it on the TV said to me, this Bush guy will go down as one of the greatest president's ever. I told him exactly what you said here, but I went on to say that fighting a war against people who are willing to blow themselves up in order to kill you just can't be that easy. He looked at me like I was from another planet.

subroc
03-21-2011, 05:20 AM
Surely, guys like you and Roger Perry were NOT looking for us to loose the Iraq war to make Bush look bad, were you ??

I believe the left just called it lost even when it wasn't over.

dnf777
03-21-2011, 05:41 AM
I believe the left just called it lost even when it wasn't over.

That would have been an accurate prediction, eh? And its not over yet, and many teapartiers are also calling for us to get out and quit spending more money there.

And many people, including Bush, were at times quoted as saying it was unwinnable. I think Bush's turn came when he referenced "in a conventional way" or something to that effect.

But only ONE person was uninformed and uneducated enough to say "Mission Accomplished" when at that very moment, insurgents were ramping up activities in what would become an endless battle that continues to this day.

Back to the matter at hand, I hope this turns out as Obama stated...limited involvement with a defined end-point....halting Khadafi's aggression against his own people. Then the ball's in their court.

Hew
03-21-2011, 07:46 AM
To quote Ronald Reagan,"There he goes again". What part of the OP didn't you read? The part about how it started was with skill or only time will tell how it will end? Once again, like I said the right wing will spin this, like your comment, into a negative.
The ball is blue. Right wing- "well the ball should of been a deeper blue. And it should of been blue sooner. And too early tell how blue it will get". Turn on your radios tomorrow, pick your poison Rush-Han-Sav-whomever and not one will give any credit to the President. Just like you.
To borrow from Hyman Roth in the Godfather II...

When I read your original post and saw you hypocritically cheerleading for that which you were against just a couple of weeks ago, I let it go.

When I read your disingenuous and mischaracterized work of fiction about Obama leading the world against Khadafy, I let it go (and laughed a little, too).

When I saw you fellate Obama in writing for the same things which you previously excortiated Bush, I let it go.

I said to myself, this is the life Losthwy has chosen. What business of it is mine if he wants to wallow in hypocrisy?

But when I read the above post....where you want to lecture us about partisanship in the very thread that you abandoned previously-stated positions to lead the Barrack Hussein Obama cheers, well, that kinda hypocrisy is just wretch-inducing. I have dispatched Johnny Ola to your hippy commune to break your keyboard and save you further embarrassment.

BrianW
03-21-2011, 09:23 AM
It should be obvious now that there was a great amount of work being done behind the scenes leading up to the events yesterday. Not only are we not carrying all the load. But, not seen around the world as blind aggressors again. And yes the conservatives ought to applaud his carefully planned actions. Just as the President George Bush carefully orchestrated the the first gulf war. But they won't. ..
I agree that there had to have been a lot of "leading up" wbts.
When has the UN ever done anything in this short of a time span?
Under normal conditions, they can't schedule a meeting to discuss sanctions, in the face of genocide, much less have all the pieces in place to go to war?
Should that raise questions anywhere?

As far as "conservatives ought to applaud his carefully planned actions."
Or acting?
This whole regional coup against the Sunnis is looking "carefully orchestrated" , especially in regards to Alinsky RFR #13 and I don't think anyone is really going to applaud after this "symphony" is over.

Losthwy
03-21-2011, 11:36 AM
To borrow from Hyman Roth in the Godfather II...

When I read your original post and saw you hypocritically cheerleading for that which you were against just a couple of weeks ago, I let it go.

When I read your disingenuous and mischaracterized work of fiction about Obama leading the world against Khadafy, I let it go (and laughed a little, too).

When I saw you fellate Obama in writing for the same things which you previously excortiated Bush, I let it go.

I said to myself, this is the life Losthwy has chosen. What business of it is mine if he wants to wallow in hypocrisy?

But when I read the above post....where you want to lecture us about partisanship in the very thread that you abandoned previously-stated positions to lead the Barrack Hussein Obama cheers, well, that kinda hypocrisy is just wretch-inducing. I have dispatched Johnny Ola to your hippy commune to break your keyboard and save you further embarrassment.

Fellate Obama/wallow/hypocrisy/hippy commune/God Father analogy. Another example of the poison from the far right.

Hew
03-21-2011, 12:27 PM
Fellate Obama/wallow/hypocrisy/hippy commune/God Father analogy. Another example of the poison from the far right.
If that's all the poison you were able to wring out of my post then I'm either losing my touch or your vocablulary/reading comprehension ain't too high.

Losthwy
03-21-2011, 02:43 PM
If that's all the poison you were able to wring out of my post then I'm either losing my touch or your vocablulary/reading comprehension ain't too high.
There you go again, instead of offering a point of view based on thought and facts, you insult.

Roger Perry
03-21-2011, 03:00 PM
There you go again, instead of offering a point of view based on thought and facts, you insult.

That's all the righties have to fall back on, insults and name calling.;-)

Hew
03-21-2011, 03:22 PM
There you go again, instead of offering a point of view based on thought and facts, you insult.
Kudos...you were able to formulate a whine that didn't include your favorite new buzzword, "poison."

Losthwy
03-21-2011, 04:06 PM
Kudos...you were able to formulate a whine that didn't include your favorite new buzzword, "poison."
Once again your posts are negative without substance. Can you offer any constructive dialogue of recent events concerning Libya?

huntinman
03-21-2011, 09:23 PM
That's all the righties have to fall back on, insults and name calling.;-)

Originally Posted by Roger Perry
She probably does not play golf, but I'll bet she could suck a golf ball through a garden hose.

RK, you made that one too easy

:rolleyes:

limiman12
03-22-2011, 01:10 AM
I just wonder how many rebels were killed by hired mercenaries in the month it took to do anything.....

Perhaps a month ago, the rebels would have had enough momentum to take over the government.....

another thing that remains to be seen, is the world a better place with a tyranical leader that can be bought, or the islamic brotherhood in charge of countires like ethiopia, lybia, Iraq, etc......

Is the guy that set himself on fire going to go down in histroy as this century's Prince Ferninand?

BrianW
03-23-2011, 08:11 AM
Obama's Libya Strategy explained (http://www.battlefield315.com/2011/03/obamas-libya-strategy-explained.html)

http://www.battlefield315.com/2011/03/obamas-libya-strategy-explained.html

;) :D

Hew
03-23-2011, 08:21 AM
Obama's Libya Strategy explained (http://www.battlefield315.com/2011/03/obamas-libya-strategy-explained.html)

http://www.battlefield315.com/2011/03/obamas-libya-strategy-explained.html

;) :D
LMAO. If she would have whined about him talkin' dat poison talk she would have hit every single point that the OP has made in this thread.

dnf777
03-23-2011, 01:27 PM
I just wonder how many rebels were killed by hired mercenaries in the month it took to do anything.....

Perhaps a month ago, the rebels would have had enough momentum to take over the government.....

another thing that remains to be seen, is the world a better place with a tyranical leader that can be bought, or the islamic brotherhood in charge of countires like ethiopia, lybia, Iraq, etc......

Is the guy that set himself on fire going to go down in histroy as this century's Prince Ferninand?


It might be stupid to get involved in another Muslim civil war at this point. It would have been unexcusably stupid to get involved a week ago without the support of the international community.

code3retrievers
03-24-2011, 01:20 PM
The political skill of the administration in dealing with Libya and setting up a no fly zone is to be applauded. Instead of acting unilaterally, or "Bush League" as I call it. They get the Arab League to come out first and endorse action. The UN security council votes for action, with likely backroom maneuvering for Russia and China to abstain. They get France to take a lead. They are working on getting other Arab countries to maintain the no fly zone. There will debate on whether we got in too early, too late, shouldn't of got involved etc. The no spin zone will be doing it's spin, and the other right wing talking comedians... er ...heads will find fault, they always do. How this turns out only time will tell. But there was skill on how it started. No, it wasn't bush league.


There are 11 US ships supporting this endeavor. France and Great Britain 1 a piece. One Arab country has 4 planes donated to the cause and there is still a question of who will be in charge. Most of the Arab countries are now crying that we have gone too far.

What is the goal? No fly zone? We are now attacking ground base troops and tanks. We are involved in another country's civil war. Which country are we going to do the same thing for, Yemen, Syria, etc, in the future. There seems to be little planning and no consultation with our congress. Sure Obama consulted the UN but failed to do the same for his own country.

If this was Bush the left would be screaming. Should the right claim that it was done to take the focus off of Obama's failures on the economy and domestic issues?

This guy never supported the Iraq war but now starts another war with even less just cause then the Iraq war.

mjh345
03-24-2011, 03:18 PM
There are 11 US ships supporting this endeavor. France and Great Britain 1 a piece. One Arab country has 4 planes donated to the cause and there is still a question of who will be in charge. Most of the Arab countries are now crying that we have gone too far.

What is the goal? No fly zone? We are now attacking ground base troops and tanks. We are involved in another country's civil war. Which country are we going to do the same thing for, Yemen, Syria, etc, in the future. There seems to be little planning and no consultation with our congress. Sure Obama consulted the UN but failed to do the same for his own country.

If this was Bush the left would be screaming. Should the right claim that it was done to take the focus off of Obama's failures on the economy and domestic issues?

This guy never supported the Iraq war but now starts another war with even less just cause then the Iraq war.

I agree with everything you wrote; except the last 8 words

Clay Rogers
03-24-2011, 03:56 PM
That would have been an accurate prediction, eh? And its not over yet, and many teapartiers are also calling for us to get out and quit spending more money there.

And many people, including Bush, were at times quoted as saying it was unwinnable. I think Bush's turn came when he referenced "in a conventional way" or something to that effect.

But only ONE person was uninformed and uneducated enough to say "Mission Accomplished" when at that very moment, insurgents were ramping up activities in what would become an endless battle that continues to this day.

Back to the matter at hand, I hope this turns out as Obama stated...limited involvement with a defined end-point....halting Khadafi's aggression against his own people. Then the ball's in their court.

That's todays goal. Last week Obama said "Khadafi must go". Earlier this week Obama said "Khadafi should go". Now its just "he must halt his aggression against his own people"? Give me a break. You guys are funny as hell. And by you guys, I mean you middle of the road independants and you left wing loons. This goof of a president could take a dump on your face and yall would probably send him a thank you card.

Hew
03-24-2011, 05:51 PM
Speaking of the hypocrisy of partisan sycophants....

If I heard it once, I heard it a thousand times from the left (and many on this very forum) when Bush was President; to paraphrase, "Well if we're supposed to attack every country that we don't agree with why don't we just go ahead and attack North Korea? Hmmm? Hmmmmmmmm? So logically, if we don't attack North Korea we had no business attacking Iraq."

Anybody hear/read of the leftists trotting out their North Korea "logic" vis-a-vis Obama and Libya?

road kill
03-24-2011, 08:54 PM
Speaking of the hypocrisy of partisan sycophants....

If I heard it once, I heard it a thousand times from the left (and many on this very forum) when Bush was President; to paraphrase, "Well if we're supposed to attack every country that we don't agree with why don't we just go ahead and attack North Korea? Hmmm? Hmmmmmmmm? So logically, if we don't attack North Korea we had no business attacking Iraq."

Anybody hear/read of the leftists trotting out their North Korea "logic" vis-a-vis Obama and Libya?

No such thing as "middle of the road independent" (progressive liberals) logic.



RK

BrianW
03-25-2011, 01:26 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ml_syria

Violence erupts around Syria, protesters shot
DAMASCUS, Syria Violence erupted around Syria on Friday as troops opened fire on protesters in several cities and pro- and anti-government crowds clashed on the tense streets of the capital in the most widespread unrest in years, witnesses said.
Soldiers shot at demonstrators in the restive southern city of Daraa after crowds set fire to a bronze statue of the country's late president, Hafez Assad, a resident told The Associated Press. Heavy gunfire could be heard in the city center and witnesses reported several casualties, the resident said on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisals.

So when does the Coalition/NFZ start for Syria?

Roger Perry
03-25-2011, 01:31 PM
Speaking of the hypocrisy of partisan sycophants....

If I heard it once, I heard it a thousand times from the left (and many on this very forum) when Bush was President; to paraphrase, "Well if we're supposed to attack every country that we don't agree with why don't we just go ahead and attack North Korea? Hmmm? Hmmmmmmmm? So logically, if we don't attack North Korea we had no business attacking Iraq."

Anybody hear/read of the leftists trotting out their North Korea "logic" vis-a-vis Obama and Libya?

Libya was not on Bush's Axis of Evil list.;-)

Golddogs
03-25-2011, 01:56 PM
Better the devil you know. And Ka daffy is a known. IF, he is tossed, it will be a big unkown as to who will take over, and that scares me. We have too many enemies in the mideast already and cannot afford to piss off more of them.

The US was wise to sit back publicly and work the back channels to NOT be the first in. WE screwed up with Iraq II and , IMO,are still paying the price. Hussein was also a devil we knew and could have disposed of him in many ways that did not involve a big ego, billions of dollars and most importanly the lives of our young men and women. The only winners in that mess are a few companies making billions of dollars off the blood and sacrifice of many brave men and women. Iraq is a mess and it's people will be suffering for years to come, in many ways, more that they ever did.

When you all cat fight with each other, remember all of the young men and women lost because of us not learning lessons from the past, and an ego that the US can do whatever it wants and not suffer for it. Time to take a back seat or supporting role as the worlds policeman and let others take the lead.


Last one in is a good thing Regards

dnf777
03-25-2011, 02:21 PM
That's todays goal. Last week Obama said "Khadafi must go". Earlier this week Obama said "Khadafi should go". Now its just "he must halt his aggression against his own people"? Give me a break. You guys are funny as hell. And by you guys, I mean you middle of the road independants and you left wing loons. This goof of a president could take a dump on your face and yall would probably send him a thank you card.

If you've followed the various threads on the Libya situation, you would see my position is much closer to RoadKills than anyone else. You and the others continually frame the discussion and assign other peoples' thoughts and opinions to them. You are completely off base if you think I blindly support Obama!

I bet when you guys played checkers as kids, you thought you got to put the other person's checkers where YOU wanted them to be, didn't you? ;)