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Roger Perry
03-24-2011, 11:54 AM
Potential '12 candidate criticizes Obama for not being more forceful, then does an about-face

By PHILIP ELLIOTT
The Associated Press
updated 3/24/2011 8:16:37 AM ET 2011-03-24T12:16:37

WASHINGTON — Likely Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich has met his first debate opponent of the 2012 campaign season: himself.

The former House speaker was quick to criticize President Barack Obama two weeks ago for not being more forceful in leading an international campaign to destroy Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi's air defenses and save rebels from impending defeat. Gingrich said the United States should tell Gadhafi "that slaughtering your own citizens is unacceptable and that we're intervening."
On Wednesday, he did an about-face.
"I would not have intervened," he said in an interview with NBC News in the morning. "I think there were a lot of other ways to affect Gadhafi. I think there are a lot of other allies in the region that we could have worked with. I would not have used American and European forces."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42246674/ns/politics-decision_2012/


Talk about waffling--- he is as bad as McCain:rolleyes:

Buzz
03-24-2011, 12:05 PM
Republican approach to every issue.

If Obama is for it, they're against it. If Obama is against it, they're for it.

road kill
03-24-2011, 12:14 PM
Republican approach to every issue.

If Obama is for it, they're against it. If Obama is against it, they're for it.

Though I find your snarky, consdescending attitude annoying.....your litmus test for right and wrong is unarguable!!!;-)


RK

code3retrievers
03-24-2011, 12:32 PM
Republican approach to every issue.

If Obama is for it, they're against it. If Obama is against it, they're for it.

From reading your posts I would say that was your approach to Bush.

Roger Perry
03-24-2011, 12:39 PM
Republican approach to every issue.

If Obama is for it, they're against it. If Obama is against it, they're for it.
Yeah, I noticed a few on here that did not make up their mind until after Obama did.;-)

dnf777
03-24-2011, 12:56 PM
So true Roger!

I saw the two clips of him back to back, and it was hilarious! How could any republican defend that???

"we need to establish a NFZ"

obama establishes a NFZ

"I wouldn't have done that"

Its almost comical. What do you really think Stan? Come on, admit. That was pretty lame, huh?

I mean, I admit when obama does stupid sh!t. I think he's a boner for not flying home immediately when we struck. What do you say about Newt?

road kill
03-24-2011, 12:59 PM
So true Roger!

I saw the two clips of him back to back, and it was hilarious! How could any republican defend that???

"we need to establish a NFZ"

obama establishes a NFZ

"I wouldn't have done that"

Its almost comical. What do you really think Stan? Come on, admit. That was pretty lame, huh?

I mean, I admit when obama does stupid sh!t. I think he's a boner for not flying home immediately when we struck. What do you say about Newt?

I think YOU and Roger's slo-drip whine is beyond comical.
It is reprehensible.

Especially since your master doesn't even know what he thinks or what he is doing or why.



That's what Stan thinks.

(btw--I have never waivered on Afghanistan or Libya)

RK:cool:

dnf777
03-24-2011, 01:12 PM
I think YOU and Roger's slo-drip whine is beyond comical.
It is reprehensible.

Especially since your master doesn't even know what he thinks or what he is doing or why.



That's what Stan thinks.

RK:cool:


Okay, so again you choose not to answer a question or even consider saying a fellow republican MAY be wrong once in a while! ;)

Newt just broke hypocrisymeters all over the land, and republicans still stand by him!

Actually, you DID answer a question. Thank you. Just not the one you think. :rolleyes:

road kill
03-24-2011, 01:14 PM
Okay, so again you choose not to answer a question or even consider saying a fellow republican MAY be wrong once in a while! ;)

Newt just broke hypocrisymeters all over the land, and republicans still stand by him!

Actually, you DID answer a question. Thank you. Just not the one you think. :rolleyes:

Listen, genuis, how can you flip-flop on something that doesn't exist??

Define for me Obama's position, then I will define if anyone has flip-flopped.
Pretty hard to flip-flop on something that does not exist.

stan b

Buzz
03-24-2011, 01:18 PM
Okay, so again you choose not to answer a question or even consider saying a fellow republican MAY be wrong once in a while! ;)

Newt just broke hypocrisymeters all over the land, and republicans still stand by him!

Actually, you DID answer a question. Thank you. Just not the one you think. :rolleyes:


You expect someone who's been down brown nosing at republican headquarters in Madison to admit that any of his guys are hypocrites?

It'll be a cold day...

M&K's Retrievers
03-24-2011, 01:25 PM
Potential '12 candidate criticizes Obama for not being more forceful, then does an about-face

By PHILIP ELLIOTT
The Associated Press
updated 3/24/2011 8:16:37 AM ET 2011-03-24T12:16:37

WASHINGTON Likely Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich has met his first debate opponent of the 2012 campaign season: himself.

The former House speaker was quick to criticize President Barack Obama two weeks ago for not being more forceful in leading an international campaign to destroy Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi's air defenses and save rebels from impending defeat. Gingrich said the United States should tell Gadhafi "that slaughtering your own citizens is unacceptable and that we're intervening."
On Wednesday, he did an about-face.
"I would not have intervened," he said in an interview with NBC News in the morning. "I think there were a lot of other ways to affect Gadhafi. I think there are a lot of other allies in the region that we could have worked with. I would not have used American and European forces."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42246674/ns/politics-decision_2012/


Talk about waffling--- he is as bad as McCain:rolleyes:

Hey, RP, have you ever changed your mind about anything or is there anything up there to change?

dnf777
03-24-2011, 01:52 PM
Hey, RP, have you ever changed your mind about anything or is there anything up there to change?

I think the point here, at least to me, is that republicans wait until Obama takes a stand on any matter, then takes the opposite by default. In this case, Newt spoke a little too soon. You gotta admit, it looks pretty hypocritical and petty. It would be petty, if the matter wasn't so serious.

Personally, I think I'm with Stan on this one, and we should get the hell out after our 100 tomahawks. Probably never should have gotten into it, but ok, take out his ADA, so anyone else who cares to foot the bill can establish a NFZ. We're DONE.

Also, Obama should have had his a$$ on AFOne back to Washington for an emergency 3am meeting with bipartisan congressional leaders. Yes, he acted within the letter of the law, but I think a late-nite call to session would have been the better thing to do, than teleconference from SA.

Someone did make a good point though. In handling it this way, he told Khadaffi, hey, I can wax your sorry butt without breaking a vacation! Don't F with us!

Anyway, I think Newt is hurting himself to all but his core constituency by acting this way. I don't think he can run a serious bid for the whitehouse at this point. If "dithering" and "indecisiveness" are bad traits for a POTUS, well, he just defined himself.

code3retrievers
03-24-2011, 02:05 PM
Anyway, I think Newt is hurting himself to all but his core constituency by acting this way. I don't think he can run a serious bid for the whitehouse at this point. If "dithering" and "indecisiveness" are bad traits for a POTUS, well, he just defined himself.

I'm just glad Obama can make a tough decision, of course he had to get permission from the UN before he made it. Perhaps he just had Clinton vote present at the meeting and just went along with what the Arab League told him to do.

This guy refused to encourage revolt in Iran but has now done so in Egypt and Libya. Who's next Saudi Arabia, Israel?

Buzz
03-24-2011, 02:09 PM
I think the point here, at least to me, is that republicans wait until Obama takes a stand on any matter, then takes the opposite by default. In this case, Newt spoke a little too soon. You gotta admit, it looks pretty hypocritical and petty. It would be petty, if the matter wasn't so serious.



Like they say, a picture is worth 1000 words.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiXPLmbrefI

dnf777
03-24-2011, 02:12 PM
I'm just glad Obama can make a tough decision, of course he had to get permission from the UN before he made it. Perhaps he just had Clinton vote present at the meeting and just went along with what the Arab League told him to do.

This guy refused to encourage revolt in Iran but has now done so in Egypt and Libya. Who's next Saudi Arabia, Israel?

so how do you feel? You seem to indicate he waited too long (for UN permission), but then appear to criticize him in your next comment?

The message I got from the OP, is that republicans will trash obama NO MATTER WHAT. Even when they agree with him!

And he "encouraged" these revolts? I thought we promoted peace and democracy, even at the end of smart bombs, when necessary?

dnf777
03-24-2011, 02:14 PM
Like they say, a picture is worth 1000 words.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiXPLmbrefI

Thanks, that's it.


I would like to issue a challenge:


Could ONE republican come forward and say that Newt flip-flopped, and demonstrated severe hypocrisy, based upon HIS OWN VIDEO EVIDENCE???

Just one, and I'll shut up.

road kill
03-24-2011, 03:29 PM
Please, oh knowledgable ones, describe what the mission is and what Obama's position is.

One that won't change 3 times in the next 24 hours.

NEWT FLIP FLOPPED!!!
(although don't follow Newt much, seriously)

Now----STFU!!!!:cool:


Brown nosing state Republicans in Madison??
(at least I am doing something about what I beleive in, hows about you????)

Better than brown nosing dnf & Roger!!!!:D



RK

Franco
03-24-2011, 03:55 PM
Did anyone really take Newt for a serious GOP candidate?

Ever read any of his factually inaccurate books?

BHB
03-24-2011, 04:10 PM
Republican approach to every issue.

If Obama is for it, they're against it. If Obama is against it, they're for it.

I wouldn't call that true. I'm an R and I think Obama has done some good things... trying to think of some... still trying... oh yeah, he gave a good speech in Arizona once!

BHB

code3retrievers
03-24-2011, 04:48 PM
so how do you feel? You seem to indicate he waited too long (for UN permission), but then appear to criticize him in your next comment?

The message I got from the OP, is that republicans will trash obama NO MATTER WHAT. Even when they agree with him!

And he "encouraged" these revolts? I thought we promoted peace and democracy, even at the end of smart bombs, when necessary?

Its called sarcasm! I do not agree with us using force in Libya but I will not fault him for making the decision (at least he made one). Were our national interests a stake? No. Perhaps, France / Italy's but not ours. Were we threatened? No again. The only way I would have supported bombing them was to retaliate for the Lockerbie bombing and that was not the case. I just can't figure out this guy out. He is all over the map. He won't say a mean word to the most dangerous leader out there (Iran) but will use force in Libya who is not threat to us and meddle in Egypt's internal affairs.

I just don't think he is a leader. He has not had one innovative idea of his own. He would be happy to follow what ever the UN told him to do.

We are doing the Muslim radicals bidding right now. We have no idea who these rebels are just as we have not a clue who will come to power in Egypt.

code3retrievers
03-24-2011, 05:02 PM
Thanks, that's it.


I would like to issue a challenge:


Could ONE republican come forward and say that Newt flip-flopped, and demonstrated severe hypocrisy, based upon HIS OWN VIDEO EVIDENCE???

Just one, and I'll shut up.

Why do you feel the need to issue a challenge? Are you really that small? Yes Newt changed his policy (flip flopped if it makes you feel better)

Do you think we are going to run around criticizing those that align with us politically or throw them under the bus when they make one or more stupid statements.

It must make you feel better about yourself when we don't agree with the leadership. Did all Republicans agree with Bush's spending? No, most did not agree. Did most want prescription drug coverage. No again.

You see we all have our own opinions and exercise our rights. Is there much I agree with Obama on? Can't think of anything right now. He does not align with me politically so I feel free to make comments about his stupid policies that are ruining this country.

Now I would like to see you keep your promise to shut up. (or will you flip flop)

huntinman
03-24-2011, 07:20 PM
Thanks, that's it.


I would like to issue a challenge:


Could ONE republican come forward and say that Newt flip-flopped, and demonstrated severe hypocrisy, based upon HIS OWN VIDEO EVIDENCE???

Just one, and I'll shut up.

I've been gone all day and have missed this enticing debate. But, for the promise in your last sentence, I will admit to anything! Yes, he is a flip-flopping sob... Now shut the hell up!

M&K's Retrievers
03-24-2011, 07:37 PM
Thanks, that's it.


I would like to issue a challenge:


Could ONE republican come forward and say that Newt flip-flopped, and demonstrated severe hypocrisy, based upon HIS OWN VIDEO EVIDENCE???

Just one, and I'll shut up.

Newt, who I don't care for, flip-floped. So what?

Are you really gonna shut up?

I doubt it regards,

BrianW
03-25-2011, 08:59 AM
But I thought "having the courage to change your mind" was a definitive "presidential quality" in this day & age. :rolleyes:
Kind of like standing up for your pastor of 20 years, then throwing him under the bus a couple of weeks later, when he ceases to be a useful tool & becomes a liability.

It's not just the "methods" that some of us have a problem with, it's the "methodology" (or lack of, as the case may be) that PBO's using.
If an NFZ is "the right thing to do" as some assert, isn't it the right thing whether or not the SecCoun/NATO, etc approves it? All they can really do is make it "more right".
Obama has helped to set the world on fire with his "rise up" oratory and now with the UN's ICRtoP kicking in, http://www.responsibilitytoprotect.org/index.php/crises/189-crisis-in-ivory-coast/3131-un-secretary-generals-special-advisers-on-the-prevention-of-genocide-and-the-responsibility-to-protect-on-the-situation-in-cote-d-ivoire
- if "protective actions of peaceful democratic expressions" is warranted for one group of protesters, where does it stop?
Imo, this is a really bad precedent that is going to turn around and bite us- hard. The fact that this is in support of Al-Qaida in the Islamic Maghreb backed revolutionaries should give serious pause as well.

dnf777
03-25-2011, 01:25 PM
I will shut up, just after I admit that you guys were big enough to say that. Thank you. I call Obama when he does stupid things, and now I know you guys can too. Well, stan is still putting out decoys.....

But a promise is a promise, so 777 is "over and out" on this thread!