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road kill
03-25-2011, 06:44 AM
Trump Refuses to Back Down Over Obama's 'Very Strange' Birth
Thursday, 24 Mar 2011 06:36 PM

By Jim Meyers and Ashley Martella

Donald Trump is not backing down from his demand that President Barack Obama produce his birth certificate and stepped up his criticism by questioning why he has not released other personal records, including college transcripts and legislative papers.

The billionaire real estate tycoon and star of “The Apprentice” created a stir on Wednesday when he said on “The View” that Trump must release his birth certificate.

Now Trump has reiterated his call in an exclusive interview with Newsmax.TV, with this simple message for Obama: Why don’t you produce your birth certificate and put to rest all speculation that you were born outside the United States?

He says Obama’s birth certificate controversy is a “strange situation” — there are conflicting reports as to what Honolulu hospital he was born at, and the governor of Hawaii claims he somehow remembers Obama being born 50 years ago.



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Trump, who says he will soon announce if he will run for president in 2012, also says Libya is a “total mess,” with Iran possibly behind the rebels and waiting to take over the country, and charges that the United States is going to “hell in a hand basket.”

“It’s a very simple situation,” Trump says in regard to the birth certificate issue. “I’d just like to see his birth certificate.

“I’m hearing all sorts of stories that his own family can’t agree which hospital he was born in and lots of other things, and I’m trying to find out where is the birth certificate. I have a birth certificate. Where is his birth certificate?

“If you’re born in this country, to the best of my knowledge people have a birth certificate.”

Obama asserts that he was born in Honolulu, but former Pennsylvania Deputy Attorney General Philip Berg has claimed that Obama’s paternal grandmother says she was in the delivery room when he was born in Kenya.

There are even differing reports about which Honolulu hospital he may have been born at. During his 2008 presidential campaign numerous reports indicated Obama was born at the Queen's Medical Center. Later, Obama's half sister said he was born at the Katiolani Medical Center.

After questions were raised about his birth, Obama's campaign released a Certification of Live Birth. The form is a summary document and does not include the newborn's location of birth. The long-form Birth Certificate includes such data, but Obama has declined to release it.

Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie first ordered the state attorney general and health department director to release more information about Obama’s birth there, then abandoned that pursuit.

“It is an amazing situation,” Trump says of the governor’s actions.
“And later the governor said, but I remember when he was born. I said, what? You actually remember when somebody was born? It sounded very unusual that a Democratic governor would remember when somebody was born 50 years ago.

“I assume that Obama was born in the United States. I assume he was probably born in Hawaii. But I have to get rid of the word ‘assume.’ If somebody wants to run for president you have to be born in this country.

And when the family argues about which hospital it was because they’re not sure, as has been reported, and you don’t have a birth certificate, it’s sort of a strange situation.”

Trump adds: “I don’t want there to be a question. I think it would be wonderful news for everybody, including me, if the birth certificate is found. But at this moment there is no birth certificate.

“Some people say it exists, and if it exists, even worse, why isn’t he showing it? So I would like to see a birth certificate, and when the governor and everybody else say they think it exists, why don’t they produce it?”

Asked if Obama has fulfilled his campaign pledge to have the most transparent administration, Trump responds: “Certainly he hasn’t in terms of his birth, and I guess a lot of college records and other records haven’t been produced, and that’s a little unusual. Why wouldn’t you produce your records?

“There are client lists that haven’t been produced and lobbying lists that haven’t been produced, so there are a lot of things that haven’t been produced for somebody who is supposed to be so transparent.

“There’s certainly not a lot of transparency.”

Asked about the Obama administration’s handling of the rebellion in Libya, Trump tells Newsmax: “For one thing, if you’re going to save lives on a humanitarian basis you should have started sooner, because many of those lives are gone.

“For another thing, you really have to find out who you’re fighting for. Who are the rebels? You have some people who say that Iran is controlling the rebels, that Iran is the happiest of all nations because they think as soon as we leave they’re going to go in with the rebels and take over Libya.

“I hear more and more reports that the rebels aren’t the sweetest people on earth either. It looks to me like it’s a total mess.”

Polls show Trump among the leaders in the GOP field for the 2012 presidential nomination. Asked if he has decided whether or not to run, Trump says: “I will be announcing one way or another somewhere prior to June.

“I hate what’s happening to this country. It’s never been at a point like this, ever. We’re not respected. We’re scoffed at. We’re laughed at by other places. People from China and other places cannot believe they’re getting away with what they’re getting away with. We’re rebuilding China. We’re rebuilding other countries, and our country is going to hell in a hand basket.

“One thing I can say, if I ran and if I won, that would stop, and everybody knows it. I think that’s why I do well in the polls.”
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Those crazy birthers!!!!!!:cool:


Of course, if you think about it, all he has to do is show his birth certificate.
Why is that so hard?????:D



RK

Ken Bora
03-25-2011, 06:55 AM
...........Of course, if you think about it, all he has to do is show his birth certificate.
Why is that so hard?????:D



RK


a good point.
another that "T-hair" (Trump + his hair = T-hair :cool: ) anyway,
another that T-hair said on that view show that made me think 'cause it is true of me as well. Folk can tell stories about me in 1st grade and such. Folk have wee childhood snapshots of me. I am not a "Birther" but it is a thing hanging over him and it would be so easy to get rid of..... WHY???

T-hair had a point, there is something on that doc. he dont like.




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BonMallari
03-25-2011, 06:56 AM
Trump has nothing to lose by making his claim, what other "potential candidate" has the stones to come out and make that claim, he's just trying to pick a fight, IF they engage him then he in essence has won..the birthers have never had someone to champion their claim...now they do

troy schwab
03-25-2011, 08:46 AM
Your right when you say that Trump has nothing to lose...... Ironically, the President has everything to lose, and scoffs at such remarks...... Anyone who doesn't find that odd, should be ashamed of themselves, and stick their head back in the sand. Our government has always been horrible at vetting, why start now..........LOL

Buzz
03-25-2011, 08:56 AM
I was listening to Spencer Hughes on the radio the other day. A delusional listener called in and said that Trump is likely the best business man that this country has ever seen and that he could surely turn the country around.

Maybe after he takes us through bankruptcy a couple of times...

I love it that Trump is spreading the madness.

M&K's Retrievers
03-25-2011, 09:04 AM
I was listening to Spencer Hughes on the radio the other day. A delusional listener called in and said that Trump is likely the best business man that this country has ever seen and that he could surely turn the country around.

Maybe after he takes us through bankruptcy a couple of times...

I love it that Trump is spreading the madness.

Hey, Buzz. I don't consider myself a birther,but why do you think Obama refuses to put this crap to rest? Seems to me to be a really easy thing to do. You know, make everyone look stupid.

Whaddya think regards,

road kill
03-25-2011, 09:10 AM
Hey, Buzz. I don't consider myself a birther,but why do you think Obama refuses to put this crap to rest? Seems to me to be a really easy thing to do. You know, make everyone look stupid.

Whaddya think regards,

Dude, get real........he is the PREZ man, he doesn't have time to bother with such trivial matters as the constitution, B/C's, reporting to congress about war activities, illegal legislation on healthcare, the budget, unemployment, responding to Japan's disaster.

He's busy man, filling out brackets and golfing and kissing Soros' butt in Brazil.

He is big man, really F****N' BIG!!!
No time for this little stuff.

Get it??


Just tryin' to help.........


RK

charly_t
03-25-2011, 10:56 AM
Dude, get real........he is the PREZ man, he doesn't have time to bother with such trivial matters as the constitution, B/C's, reporting to congress about war activities, illegal legislation on healthcare, the budget, unemployment, responding to Japan's disaster.

He's busy man, filling out brackets and golfing and kissing Soros' butt in Brazil.

He is big man, really F****N' BIG!!!
No time for this little stuff.

Get it??


Just tryin' to help.........


RK

You got that right !

On another note when you have someone with O's educational background I believe his education would have precluded the correct values being imparted to him. The values that are dear to ( I hope ) most people in this country.

Marvin S
03-25-2011, 11:18 AM
IMO, dt has about as much cred as the most prolific poster on this forum.

He made a lot of his money from Public-Private partnerships, those that put all the risk on the public & all the gains to the private side.

Buzz
03-25-2011, 12:50 PM
Hey, Buzz. I don't consider myself a birther,but why do you think Obama refuses to put this crap to rest? Seems to me to be a really easy thing to do. You know, make everyone look stupid.

Whaddya think regards,

Wish I knew. Maybe he is from Kenya.

Yesterday John Gibson had a theory. He thinks that Obama views it as an advantage to have people like Trump out there spreading this type of stuff. Not sure I agree with that.

M&K's Retrievers
03-25-2011, 01:40 PM
Wish I knew. Maybe he is from Kenya.

Yesterday John Gibson had a theory. He thinks that Obama views it as an advantage to have people like Trump out there spreading this type of stuff. Not sure I agree with that.

Seems to me he has enough going against him that he would jump at the opportunity to put this to rest. Maybe he's just not that bright.

Susie Royer
03-26-2011, 05:54 PM
Not sure about you all but when I got married in 1973 I had to provide a birth certificate to get a marriage license. When I lost my drivers license in 1982 I had to provide my birth certificate to get another one. When I lost my social security card in the nineties guess what...I had to show them my birth certificate to get another one. When I got a passport once again I had to provide my birth certificate. And when someone stole my purse last month with my passport in it I had to provide (once again) my BIRTH CERTIFICATE so I could enter Mexico and South America when we went on a cruise.

Honestly, why doesn't the HIGHEST RANKING OFFICAL IN OUR COUNTRY not have to provide a BIRTH CERTIFICATE????????????????

dnf777
03-26-2011, 06:29 PM
Wish I knew. Maybe he is from Kenya.

Yesterday John Gibson had a theory. He thinks that Obama views it as an advantage to have people like Trump out there spreading this type of stuff. Not sure I agree with that.

I think its brilliant. As long as he keeps it under wraps, the simpletons will keep perseverating on a non-issue, and he keeps getting passes on far more important matters that are too complex for the birthers to even grasp. At least while they're whining about birth certificates and chewing gum.

What better way to keep the likes of Ann Coulter rooting around the garbage dump, instead of pursuing actual issues that deserve an answer??

Roger Perry
03-26-2011, 06:48 PM
Not sure about you all but when I got married in 1973 I had to provide a birth certificate to get a marriage license. When I lost my drivers license in 1982 I had to provide my birth certificate to get another one. When I lost my social security card in the nineties guess what...I had to show them my birth certificate to get another one. When I got a passport once again I had to provide my birth certificate. And when someone stole my purse last month with my passport in it I had to provide (once again) my BIRTH CERTIFICATE so I could enter Mexico and South America when we went on a cruise.

Honestly, why doesn't the HIGHEST RANKING OFFICAL IN OUR COUNTRY not have to provide a BIRTH CERTIFICATE????????????????


There ya go, Obama got married therefore he has a birth certificate now we can go on to something else. ;-)

sinned
03-26-2011, 09:12 PM
susie-

in all those cases, you had a REASON you needed to produce a birth certificate, not necessarily to only prove citizenship but prove identity and date of birth. not the same motivation as these people challenging Obama's citizenship.

if i challenged you as a citizen of this country, what would your reaction be?

its sad that the pundits have sunken to the level of calling 'shenanigans' because they simply can not accept Obama as president.

mccain too has a questionable birth certificate being born in panama but the talking heads conveniently overlook it because it does not suit their fear mongering.

wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_requirements_for_President_of_the_Unit ed_States#Presidential_candidates_whose_eligibilit y_was_questioned)

"McCain never released his birth certificate to the press or independent fact checking organizations, but did show it to Washington Post reporter Michael Dobbs: "A senior official of the McCain campaign showed a reporter Dobbs a copy of the senator's birth certificate issued by Canal Zone health authorities, recording his birth in the Coco Solo "family hospital.""

curiously other candidates had more serious challenges and those were definitively resolved.

and the scariest thing is Trump's metal midgity propagating all this. Oh wait, he is a PR and publicity whore with something to sell so there is no such thing as bad press.

dennis

Susie Royer
03-26-2011, 09:54 PM
susie- in all those cases, you had a REASON you needed to produce a birth certificate, not necessarily to only prove citizenship but prove identity and date of birth. not the same motivation as these people challenging Obama's citizenship.

Hmmm... As a low life tax paying citizen I have to prove my citizenship, idenity and proof of date of birth but, the highest ranking official in our govenment doesn't have to? This makes perefet sense to me :rolleyes:

scott2012
03-27-2011, 12:49 AM
susie-

in all those cases, you had a REASON you needed to produce a birth certificate, not necessarily to only prove citizenship but prove identity and date of birth. not the same motivation as these people challenging Obama's citizenship.

if i challenged you as a citizen of this country, what would your reaction be?

its sad that the pundits have sunken to the level of calling 'shenanigans' because they simply can not accept Obama as president.

mccain too has a questionable birth certificate being born in panama but the talking heads conveniently overlook it because it does not suit their fear mongering.

wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_requirements_for_President_of_the_Unit ed_States#Presidential_candidates_whose_eligibilit y_was_questioned)

"McCain never released his birth certificate to the press or independent fact checking organizations, but did show it to Washington Post reporter Michael Dobbs: "A senior official of the McCain campaign showed a reporter Dobbs a copy of the senator's birth certificate issued by Canal Zone health authorities, recording his birth in the Coco Solo "family hospital.""

curiously other candidates had more serious challenges and those were definitively resolved.

and the scariest thing is Trump's metal midgity propagating all this. Oh wait, he is a PR and publicity whore with something to sell so there is no such thing as bad press.

dennis

What the heck is "metal midgity"? Dude, you are way in over your head on this whole Trump thing. Give it up.

Ken Bora
03-27-2011, 08:07 AM
There ya go, Obama got married therefore he has a birth certificate now we can go on to something else. ;-)
Oh, so your saying he married Michelle to become legal? I have heard of some aliens doing that.;-)

Roger Perry
03-27-2011, 09:13 AM
Oh, so your saying he married Michelle to become legal? I have heard of some aliens doing that.;-)

Naw, if he had to show a birth certificate to get married case closed. I am sure someone that gave him the license to get married would have come forth if it showed him being born somewhere other than Hawaii;-)

sinned
03-27-2011, 09:16 AM
susie-

i do not think i made my point clearly. in your examples, you had a legitimate NEED and REASON to produce the birth certificate. it was not to appease some chucklehead with nothing better to do.

if someone out of the blue, for no legitimate reason asked you to produce your birth certificate to prove that you were a citizen, i am pretty sure that your reply would be pretty colorful and i would not see the light of day.

trump is publicity whore. why do you think he started all this on the view?

dennis

Ken Bora
03-27-2011, 09:41 AM
Naw, if he had to show a birth certificate to get married case closed. I am sure someone that gave him the license to get married would have come forth if it showed him being born somewhere other than Hawaii;-)
Even an ACORN volunteer would have needed a day job;-)


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Roger Perry
03-27-2011, 09:59 AM
Even an ACORN volunteer would have needed a day job;-)


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Say, don't you need a birth certificate to obtain a passport??? What about a social security card????? Drivers license???????

Cody Covey
03-27-2011, 06:14 PM
Say, don't you need a birth certificate to obtain a passport??? What about a social security card????? Drivers license???????

Not in washington state. We have illegals with all of those :)

road kill
03-28-2011, 02:57 PM
Donald Trump: I've got my birth certificate, where is President Barack Obama's?By ANDY BARR | 3/28/11 3:08 PM EDT


Donald Trump now sees himself as something of a patron saint for the birthers – and he's even released his own birth certificate as he steps up criticism of the president.

Continue Reading

Seeking to pump more energy into the birther movement and quirky chase for the White House, Trump on Monday provided a copy of his birth certificate to the conservative website Newsmax – which has played a leading role in trumpeting birther mythology.

And in an interview on Fox News, Trump cast himself as something akin to the rebel leader of the birther movement.

“Now, this guy either has a birth certificate or he doesn’t,” Trump said. “And I didn't think this was such a big deal, but I will tell you, it’s turning out to be a very big deal because people now are calling me from all over saying, please don't give up on this issue."

Trump’s insistence that he’s being encouraged to continue on his birther crusade has led to what he says is the startling revelation that, “all of a sudden, a lot of facts are emerging and I’m starting to wonder myself whether or not [Obama] was born in this country."

Trump also called for Hawaii Democratic Gov. Neil Abercrombie to be investigated for stating that he – as a friend of the president’s parents – remembers Obama’s birth.

"I think this guy should be investigated," Trump said. "I doubt it. He remembers when Obama was born? Give me a break! He's just trying to do something for his party."
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This is truly funny.
You guys want to vote for the Donald fopr President?


RK

huntinman
03-28-2011, 03:07 PM
Donald Trump: I've got my birth certificate, where is President Barack Obama's?By ANDY BARR | 3/28/11 3:08 PM EDT


Donald Trump now sees himself as something of a patron saint for the birthers – and he's even released his own birth certificate as he steps up criticism of the president.

Continue Reading

Seeking to pump more energy into the birther movement and quirky chase for the White House, Trump on Monday provided a copy of his birth certificate to the conservative website Newsmax – which has played a leading role in trumpeting birther mythology.

And in an interview on Fox News, Trump cast himself as something akin to the rebel leader of the birther movement.

“Now, this guy either has a birth certificate or he doesn’t,” Trump said. “And I didn't think this was such a big deal, but I will tell you, it’s turning out to be a very big deal because people now are calling me from all over saying, please don't give up on this issue."

Trump’s insistence that he’s being encouraged to continue on his birther crusade has led to what he says is the startling revelation that, “all of a sudden, a lot of facts are emerging and I’m starting to wonder myself whether or not [Obama] was born in this country."

Trump also called for Hawaii Democratic Gov. Neil Abercrombie to be investigated for stating that he – as a friend of the president’s parents – remembers Obama’s birth.

"I think this guy should be investigated," Trump said. "I doubt it. He remembers when Obama was born? Give me a break! He's just trying to do something for his party."
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This is truly funny.
You guys want to vote for the Donald fopr President?


RK

No, I don't want Trump for Pres... But I would like to see Obamas Birth Certificate. (the real one) and his college transcripts. Why is everything about every day in the life of every other President known, but almost nothing about Obama?... I think we have the right to know. What is he hiding?

road kill
03-28-2011, 03:10 PM
No, I don't want Trump for Pres... But I would like to see Obamas Birth Certificate. (the real one) and his college transcripts. Why is everything about every day in the life of every other President known, but almost nothing about Obama?... I think we have the right to know. What is he hiding?

Just a guess.....there is something they don't want us to know!:D

RK