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Gerry Clinchy
03-25-2011, 02:29 PM
http://www.abc27.com/global/category.asp?c=189669&autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=5691302

An intern at the Commonwealth Foundation made a chart of all the Pennsylvania agencies, task forces, etc. He came up with 343 of them (many of which nobody really knew existed), and 2 more have been added by the new Governor. The chart is 7 feet long!

If this is what just one state looks like, can we imagine what a Federal chart would look like?

Makes a case for "streamlining" govt at the very least. How can you keep track of what $ is being spent if you don't even know what agency is getting it, or how many other agencies may be duplicating the same efforts. And it's much too easy to create a new entity to do something that is already within the parameters of one that already exists. But if nobody is aware that the earlier entity exists ... they create a duplicate.

Franco
03-25-2011, 03:44 PM
The larger the size of the Federal Government, the less free we become!

Besides, isn't it obvious that we can't afford the Federal Government we have? Might as well start making some drastic cuts since they got us into this mess!

road kill
03-25-2011, 03:54 PM
Any growth in Government at this time is contrary to what is best for America.

We MUST stop spending!!!!


RK

Eric Johnson
03-25-2011, 04:13 PM
There's always a flaw in these stories on government. The flaw is that the story seems to concentrate not on the story but rather on the sensationalism of the story.

For instance, both the groups mentioned (Boiler Advisory Board and Elevator Advisory Board) are probably valuable. They're probably mis-named and probably not paid. Both would relate to the safety...boilers and elevators. These devices are so specialized that you can't have the same people inspect them all. I guess you could have one group that supervises the inspectors for both boilers and elevators but that wouldn't really save money since these are unpaid positions, paid per diem expenses, and meet maybe quarterly at most.

Besides, just because neither the TV reporter (always a dunce in a suit) nor the 22 yr old intern knew of them, doesn't mean much. What I find interesting is that the kid spent a month studying the issue and still seems to suck his thumb. In my day, we would have spent a day discovering the problem and had a handle on it in the next. It may have taken a few more days to gather all the details but...

I found out about them with 5 seconds worth of search time...

Boiler Advisory Board
L&I Support Organization:
Pennsylvania Industrial Board
Mandate/Authority:
Act 80 of 1988, Section 2214 (G).
Mission:
Established by the Industrial Board to draft, maintain and interpret the Boiler Law and regulations; also conduct examinations for boiler inspectors and recommend commissioning of successful applicants.

Elevator Advisory Board
L&I Support Organization:
Pennsylvania Industrial Board
Mandate/Authority:
Act 80 of 1988, Section 2214 (G).
Mission:
Established by the Industrial Board to draft, maintain and interpret the Elevator Law and regulations.

Now....let's talk about really saving some dollars. How about we do away with the US Dept of Education? That might even resolve the issues with the slow learning intern in the TV story.

Eric

Gerry Clinchy
03-26-2011, 08:54 AM
I agree with you, Eric, those two particular entities seem to have a useful purpose, and these might have been poor examples to use ... unless they are a duplication of functions already performed by some other bureaucratic entities.

Existing legislators questioned, had no clue that such entities existed ... which could mean that if some kind of accident occurred, they might just form a new bureaucratic entity when there was no need for an additional one; rather a "reform" of the existing one.

Second, if legislators are unaware of the existence of such entities within govt, do they pay attention to how much funding is being allocated & whether the funding is yielding the desired results.

Do those in govt care about such details if they can just raise taxes to cover their expenses?

30 years ago, (oops, now you might guess how old I am) I had a summer job with IBM. 3 of us college students spent the summer reviewing company computer reports in existence throughout the corporation. The corp suspected that they were producing many computer reports as "new" that were already available. They had no index of what reports were being produced company-wide. Computer time was valuable, and they didn't want to waste time producing multiple reports that gave the same information. Better to run one report once & distribute it to many, than prepare "unique" reports for each of the many.

Department heads simply ordered reports they needed, but had no idea that the report might already exist. The goal was to index the existing reports, remove the duplicates, and allow department heads to get quicker answers to their questions & not have to wait for a "new" report to be generated when it might already exist. Three of us spent over 2-1/2 mos. at this task (and that was only part of the project!)

Can we imagine how many such reports exist in our state and Federal govts? How many are duplicates?

Did the three of us have any clue as to the "reasons" for those reports? No. The next step was for someone with more company knowledge to assess which ones were dupllicates ... and eliminate the duplicates to save time and labor. Today they could probably have a computer program do this data-gathering, boring job :-) Maybe not, as we had to read the report to describe what information the report was conveying.

The private company was motivated to increase its profits by saving human and computer time. What motivation exists for govts? I do have this thought that we only "change" when we have to. The incentive to change has to be greater than the incentive to maintain the status quo.

zeus3925
03-28-2011, 08:01 AM
I would like to see federal law enforcement agencies consolidate. No need for a U.S. Marshall's office and the FBI, too. ATF could go into the mix as well.

Steve Hester
03-28-2011, 08:11 AM
Please see signature line.........This is exactly what Jefferson warned us about.

BonMallari
03-28-2011, 08:34 AM
How do you cut the size of Govt when they people WE elected are left with the job of cutting what they have created...isnt that like asking the fox in the hen house to only eat one chicken instead of three

When was the last time, check that, the first time when your elected representative actually did what you wanted...in many ways we have created the monster, now how do we stop what we created

road kill
03-28-2011, 08:38 AM
How do you cut the size of Govt when they people WE elected are left with the job of cutting what they have created...isnt that like asking the fox in the hen house to only eat one chicken instead of three

When was the last time, check that, the first time when your elected representative actually did what you wanted...in many ways we have created the monster, now how do we stop what we created

Just last month.

His name is Scott Walker!!:D

RK

Franco
03-28-2011, 08:40 AM
How do you cut the size of Govt when they people WE elected are left with the job of cutting what they have created...isnt that like asking the fox in the hen house to only eat one chicken instead of three

When was the last time, check that, the first time when your elected representative actually did what you wanted...in many ways we have created the monster, now how do we stop what we created

By seeking Independent candidates that best represent your view. Better yet, find Libetarian candidates that represent your view.

Both the Democratic and Repbulican parties are broken. Both are owned by Speicial Interest and Lobbyist.

Want real change? Then we need a real voter revolution throwing both parties out of power!

BonMallari
03-28-2011, 08:56 AM
By seeking Independent candidates that best represent your view. Better yet, find Libertarian candidates that represent your view.

Both the Democratic and Republican parties are broken. Both are owned by Special Interest and Lobbyist.

Want real change? Then we need a real voter revolution throwing both parties out of power!

I agree to a certain extent, I like the Libertarian view of things,but Libertarians are necessarily Independent, at least not the ones I know, they tend to be right of center...after all we have a couple of Independent's here on POTUS that are slightly left of center..and then you have the Tea Party that is very much right of center..the two party system is in shambles, but they will also squash any attempt at establishing a credible bonafide third party,mainly because that third party becomes all powerful with the tie breaker swing vote

Franco
03-28-2011, 09:03 AM
I agree to a certain extent, I like the Libertarian view of things,but Libertarians are necessarily Independent, at least not the ones I know, they tend to be right of center...after all we have a couple of Independent's here on POTUS that are slightly left of center..and then you have the Tea Party that is very much right of center..the two party system is in shambles, but they will also squash any attempt at establishing a credible bonafide third party,mainly because that third party becomes all powerful with the tie breaker swing vote

Think about it, Libetarianism gave birth the the Conservative movement over 50 years ago. Much of what defines Conservative came out of the quest for more personal freedom sought by Libetarians.

With most Americans feeling betrayed by both of the current parties, we are seeing a tremendous growth in the Libetarian movement. Smaller government that must live within thier budget. No more giving up personal freedoms to the ever-growing out of control huge Federal Government.

I smell a voter revolution shaping up here is the good ol USA!;-)
A revolution that is ready to toss both parties out of DC on thier ear.

Goose
03-28-2011, 11:36 AM
Fukushima will be a walk in the park compared to what this country would go through if the government implements some real cost cutting or austerity program. Better off just to extend and pretend with all the money printing and let the War President slowly start WWIII. That's the keynesian way don't you know...screw things up beyond repair and then start a war. This is going to end badly.

The gravy train has gone on for too long now. Decade after decade after decade of your money for nothing and chicks for free has made us way too soft for any serious new limitations on what the government can spend. That's why I want my state to secede.

We live in Cuba now.

road kill
03-28-2011, 11:39 AM
Fukushima will be a walk in the park compared to what this country would go through if the government implements some real cost cutting or austerity program. Better off just to extend and pretend with all the money printing and let the War President slowly start WWIII. That's the keynesian way don't you know...screw things up beyond repair and then start a war. This is going to end badly.

The gravy train has gone on for too long now. Decade after decade after decade of your money for nothing and chicks for free has made us way too soft for any serious new limitations on what the government can spend. That's why I want my state to secede.

We live in Cuba now.


I agree, and I wonder what will happen if a fight comes??

And I think a fight is coming, perhaps even yet in my lifetime.


RK

BonMallari
03-28-2011, 03:36 PM
Fukushima will be a walk in the park compared to what this country would go through if the government implements some real cost cutting or austerity program. Better off just to extend and pretend with all the money printing and let the War President slowly start WWIII. That's the keynesian way don't you know...screw things up beyond repair and then start a war. This is going to end badly.

The gravy train has gone on for too long now. Decade after decade after decade of your money for nothing and chicks for free has made us way too soft for any serious new limitations on what the government can spend. That's why I want my state to secede.

We live in Cuba now.

That is one of the biggest if not THE BIGGEST falsehood that goes through the state of Texas..Texas cant secede, wont secede...think about it, what Army does Texas have,the bases at Fort Hood are US bases not Texas bases...as much as I love the state, they wouldnt last 24 hrs without federal support

America needs Texas and Texas is a big part of America, Texans dont run from a fight, they dig in and stand their ground