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road kill
04-09-2011, 06:19 PM
It appears not:

Who Won the Shutdown Showdown? It Wasn't Even Close!!

While Republicans wanted to cut more spending in Saturday's early morning compromise to keep the government open, they think they got the better of the deal.

Here's why: HR1 was originally to seek spending cuts of $32 billion until Tea Party conservatives insisted on more than $ 60 billion. House Speaker John Boehner won more cuts than he originally sought and got the Senate to agree to votes to defund the health care reform law and groups like the nation's largest abortion provider Planned Parenthood - once votes Senate Majority leader Harry Reid said he'd never allow to come to the floor.Back on February 3, Reid called $32 billion in cuts "extreme" and "draconian."

At a news conference New York Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., agreed, "I happen to think some of their cuts are extreme and go overboard. But every week they keep upping the ante and proposing extreme cuts."

Over the next decade the cuts are expected to save hundreds of billions of dollars.

The deal mandates a host of studies and audits of Obama administration policies. It also blocks additional funds for the IRS sought by the Obama administration and bans federal funding of abortion in Washington, D.C.

The history of offers on this bill goes something like this. Democrats first offered no cuts, then $4 billion, then $6.5 billion, then $33 billion, then settled at $38.5 billion.
Boehner made numerous adjustments to his offer in recent days too, but started at $32 billion, then with a Tea Party push went to $62 billion, then dropped to $40 billion, then $38.5 billion.

Democrats claimed they met Republicans halfway after the $10 billion in cuts that already passed this year were approved. They settled late Friday night at three and a half times more.

Boehner came in $8.5 billion higher than the halfway point between his high offer of $61 billion in cuts and the Democrats opening bid of zero cuts.

It was not a totally lopsided bargain. Dems have some silver linings. There were no votes on defunding the EPA or PBS and NPR. Democrats fought for and won a $2 billion cut from the Department of Defense, knocking the military appropriation for the rest of the year down to $513 billion.

But the GOP had to be able to see this as a win in the end, because it is puny compared to what they want to do next.

House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan's 2012 budget resolution proposes cuts of $5 TRILLION in the next 10 yrs.

But the resolution is a non-binding roadmap for the committees to use as they approve tax and spending bills for next year, the resolution will never be signed into law by the president.

The next battle with consequences begins in a matter of two short weeks when the accumulated U.S. debt will be nearing it's $14 trillion legal limit. So Congress will have to vote to raise the ceiling so Uncle Sam can borrow still more money.

The administration has said it will need to be raised between April 15 and May 31 or the U.S. could default and create a new fiscal crisis of unknowable magnitude. Fiscal hawks plan to demand strict, enforceable spending caps, triggers for across the board cuts, and austerity measures in exchange for raising the debt limit.

This short-term agreement was just a beginning.
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Terrific read!!!

Your welcome.

RK

1tulip
04-09-2011, 06:31 PM
Tea party folks have jobs. Tea party organizations don't get federal grants. Tea party events don't have slavish press coverage. They don't have tasseled loafered lobbiests. They don't have celebrities telling them how great they are. They don't have powerful, centralized leadership or a charismatic leader. There is no modern metric you can apply to measure their significance.

Just because you don't see them in the headlines doesn't mean they've vanished.

Roger Perry
04-09-2011, 06:38 PM
Tea party folks have jobs. Tea party organizations don't get federal grants. Tea party events don't have slavish press coverage. They don't have tasseled loafered lobbiests. They don't have celebrities telling them how great they are. They don't have powerful, centralized leadership or a charismatic leader. There is no modern metric you can apply to measure their significance.

Just because you don't see them in the headlines doesn't mean they've vanished.

Tea Party has 250 people show up for a rally--------Guess the people are losing interest;-)

Apr 01, 2011 · ... Tea Party “rally” in Washington, DC drew only 250 people

1tulip
04-09-2011, 06:52 PM
Like I said, Rodger... there just aren't the usual metrics for calculating the influence of something like the Tea Party. But by-the-by, Trumpka promised a big up-rising of workers in every major city in America on April the 4th. Sort of fizzled.

caryalsobrook
04-09-2011, 08:35 PM
Tea Party has 250 people show up for a rally--------Guess the people are losing interest;-)

Apr 01, 2011 · ... Tea Party “rally” in Washington, DC drew only 250 people

You hope they are loling interest. Don't hold your breath---ON SECOND THOUGHT:)

huntinman
04-09-2011, 08:54 PM
Tea Party has 250 people show up for a rally--------Guess the people are losing interest;-)

Apr 01, 2011 · ... Tea Party “rally” in Washington, DC drew only 250 people

Roger, what were the result of the WI Supreme Court race again? I think the Tea Party had a little something to do with that;-)

Roger Perry
04-09-2011, 09:55 PM
Roger, what were the result of the WI Supreme Court race again? I think the Tea Party had a little something to do with that;-)

Again little RK, she was supposed to lose by a landslide and almost won the election.

luvmylabs23139
04-09-2011, 10:02 PM
Again little RK, she was supposed to lose by a landslide and almost won the election.


Almost only counts in horsehoes and hand grenades!:-P

Roger Perry
04-09-2011, 10:10 PM
"At a Tea Party rally in Boston yesterday, Sarah Palin praised the crowd for winning that Senate race in Massachusetts. She said: 'Shoot, look at what you did in January. You shook up the United States Senate.' Unfortunately, no one heard the Senate thing, because after she said 'shoot,' 300 guns went off. "

"The tea party nation announced last week that Sarah Palin will headline what is being called the first national tea party convention in February. It is expected to be the nation's largest ever gathering of misspelled signs."

Q. How would you hide something from a tea party member???
A. Put it in a text book.

subroc
04-09-2011, 10:16 PM
In my view it is OK if a tea partier is more one thing. But, someone cannot be a tea partier if they do not believe in the concept of limited government and lower taxes. A tea partier can be other things as well but the tenants of limited government and lower taxes must be present.

1tulip
04-09-2011, 10:28 PM
Tea Partiers can be more than one thing... like an MD and a PhD. Or a college professor and a neuroscientist... the RN who takes care of your family member in the ICU... The person who pays you for your services and stands behind you in the checkout line, or a retired veteran or a paramedic or a fireman... They can be almost anything.

What they are least likely to be are free-loaders and second generation welfare recipients.

Just sayin'

Franco
04-10-2011, 08:45 AM
In my view it is OK if a tea partier is more one thing. But, someone cannot be a tea partier if they do not believe in the concept of limited government and lower taxes. A tea partier can be other things as well but the tenants of limited government and lower taxes must be present.

True, until they added abortion to thier cause. Now, thier 15 minutes of fame is done. Tea Party will make a lot of noise between now and the election but, that is all it will be, noise.

Just watch and see.

road kill
04-10-2011, 09:15 AM
True, until they added abortion to thier cause. Now, thier 15 minutes of fame is done. Tea Party will make a lot of noise between now and the election but, that is all it will be, noise.

Just watch and see.

They did NOT add abortion to their cause.

They added TAXPAYER FUNDED abortion.

Please tell me you see the difference?


RK

Roger Perry
04-10-2011, 09:41 AM
The Republicans still have not come up with a front runner for President in 2012. Nor have they come up with a 2nd or 3rd runner for President in 2012. What platform would a Republican Presidential pretender run on the Tea Party platform??????????? Please say yes;-)

subroc
04-10-2011, 09:42 AM
True, until they added abortion to thier cause. Now, thier 15 minutes of fame is done. Tea Party will make a lot of noise between now and the election but, that is all it will be, noise.

Just watch and see.

You say that tea partiers added abortion to their cause. hogwash. Some tea partiers happen to believe a good place to make cuts is in planned parenthood or taxpayer funded abortion. It is not a tenant of the tea party movement. There are many issues facing our nation. a politician can believe in the tenants of the tea party and have positions on all these other issues as well.

Franco
04-10-2011, 09:43 AM
They did NOT add abortion to their cause.

They added TAXPAYER FUNDED abortion.

Please tell me you see the difference?


RK

The American people will see it as an attack on abortions, which it is. There is no way of hiding that.

Franco
04-10-2011, 09:49 AM
You say that tea partiers added abortion to their cause. hogwash. Some tea partiers happen to believe a good place to make cuts is in planned parenthood or taxpayer funded abortion. It is not a tenant of the tea party movement. There are many issues facing our nation. a politician can believe in the tenants of the tea party and have positions on all these other issues as well.

It is a fatal stratergy. Too much other waste to go after then one which will mobilize and ignite the left.

luvmylabs23139
04-10-2011, 09:55 AM
I'll be honest. I do not want to pay for anyones abortion. LIkewise I do not want to pay for someones brat.
The simple position is YOU BREED IT YOU PAY FOR IT.
UNtil this country is willing to make those that breed pay for their spawn we will never fix the problem.

Roger Perry
04-10-2011, 09:57 AM
You say that tea partiers added abortion to their cause. hogwash. Some tea partiers happen to believe a good place to make cuts is in planned parenthood or taxpayer funded abortion. It is not a tenant of the tea party movement. There are many issues facing our nation. a politician can believe in the tenants of the tea party and have positions on all these other issues as well.

You are right, there are more issues than abortion. How about union busting as is being done in Wisconsin , Indiana and Utah which affects teachers and public employees by reducing their income by 8%. In some of the States it also affects Police and Firemen and their families. The American people in these professions are taking notice and if it can happen in these states, it could also happen to them too. Because of union busting how many votes do you think it will cost the Republican party come November 2012??????????????????;-) You have to know there are alot of Republican teachers, public employees, police and firemen in the United States and union busting and losing 8% of their paycheck will be in the back of their minds not to mention the Independent voters who also belong to these professions.

How about Medicare and Medicade and Social Security-------------- How many elderly are Republicans and once you mess with their social security you have lost their votes as well.

Franco
04-10-2011, 09:59 AM
I'll be honest. I do not want to pay for anyones abortion. LIkewise I do not want to pay for someones brat.
.

Which option will cost tax payers more?

Franco
04-10-2011, 10:02 AM
The Tea Party was founded on a April 15th in a protest against out of control spending and deficits.

I have said that as long as they stayed true to that message they were in good shape.

Attcking PP showed thier true colors. There were bigger and juicer spending programs to go after. Programs that the Dems would have fought LESS to protect!

Tea Party is nothing but left-over Republicans.

Demonstrates that the Libetarians are the only party of small and limited Fed Gov.

luvmylabs23139
04-10-2011, 10:03 AM
Which option will cost tax payers more?

If the liberals would get a damn grip and stop making taxpayers pay for welfare slime it would be a non issue.
BREED IT FEED IT END OF STORY!!!!

luvmylabs23139
04-10-2011, 10:08 AM
The Tea Party was founded on a April 15th in a protest against out of control spending and deficits.

I have said that as long as they stayed true to that message they were in good shape.

Attcking PP showed thier true colors. There were bigger and juicer spending programs to go after. Programs that the Dems would have fought LESS to protect!

Tea Party is nothing but left-over Republicans.

Demonstrates that the Libetarians are the only party of small and limited Fed Gov.


There is a very simple solution. KEEP YOUR LEGS CROSSED IF YOU CAN"T PAY FOR THE RESULT> Whether the result is an abortion or screwing the real taxpayers for your spawn.

Roger Perry
04-10-2011, 10:15 AM
If the liberals would get a damn grip and stop making taxpayers pay for welfare slime it would be a non issue.
BREED IT FEED IT END OF STORY!!!!

You know that is not going to happen. Compare the cost of an abortion to the cost to raise a child from birth to 18 years old. Lets make abortion illegal and see how many more people will be born. It is a hard enough decision these women have to make on weather or not to even get an abortion because it is something they will have to live with for the rest of their lives. I can't imagine would be like to force a woman to give birth to a child conceived out of rape or inscest because they will be reminded of that every day they look into the childs face.

It can be very expensive to raise a child in the United States. For example, according to one online calculator, it costs almost $200,000 US Dollars (USD) to raise a child from birth to age 18. Other sources estimate the cost at $250,000 USD or more.

J Hoggatt
04-10-2011, 10:23 AM
You are right, there are more issues than abortion. How about union busting as is being done in Wisconsin , Indiana and Utah which affects teachers and public employees by reducing their income by 8%. In some of the States it also affects Police and Firemen and their families. The American people in these professions are taking notice and if it can happen in these states, it could also happen to them too. Because of union busting how many votes do you think it will cost the Republican party come November 2012??????????????????;-)

Roger--

I'll bet you hate "Special Interest Groups"; Political Action Committees (PACs) and Lobbyist.
I have little interest in an internet debate....... so I won't wait for a response.........

You might even belong to one or more -- so you probably hate the ones that oppose your views ----(pretty evident by all your post).

So are we to believe a "Labor Union" isn't a "special interest group"? and are not involved with "PACs"?


"Labor Union" are involved with Political Activities >>> -- ya think -(Obama got in this way)
To be clear -- I am NOT AGAINST - Non-Public Unions....... But Public Unions are problematic......Taxes just keep going up and up -- the Public Unions support candidates into office (local, state, and federal) that support the Union's special interest. If you don't see this -- we don't live in the same reality.

IS there "dirt" to be thrown - on both side -- You bet - Corp. American also has there agenda and buys political favors etc.....both are guilty - but you seem to be "one-sided" on this debate.

INVOLVEMENT in the policital process -- is what I believe the TEA PARTY is all about.

Your prediction regarding WI. was wrong and now you are like a sore loser -- well - "we should have lost by more - so we won!!!". -- IF Walker gets recalled- well then the public of WI has a chance to get involved - that is what it is all about - NOT STOPPING debate by have State Senators hide/run away/ Protesters have a right to protest - but they may not be the MAJORITY. - You get it - you just don't want to admit it.

The Majority of 51% or more WIN.---

Have a great day -

Franco
04-10-2011, 10:30 AM
You know that is not going to happen. Compare the cost of an abortion to the cost(the state-tax payers) to raise a child from birth to 18 years old. It could get into the millions if we add the cost of incarseration and public funded legal defense. Lets make abortion illegal and see how many more people will be born. It is a hard enough decision these women have to make on weather or not to even get an abortion because it is something they will have to live with for the rest of their lives. I can't imagine would be like to force a woman to give birth to a child conceived out of rape or inscest because they will be reminded of that every day they look into the childs face.

It can be very expensive to raise a child in the United States. For example, according to one online calculator, it costs almost $200,000 US Dollars (USD) to raise a child from birth to age 18. Other sources estimate the cost at $250,000 USD or more.

I have added my comments in orange.

Uncle Bill
04-10-2011, 10:40 AM
True, until they added abortion to thier cause. Now, thier 15 minutes of fame is done. Tea Party will make a lot of noise between now and the election but, that is all it will be, noise.

Just watch and see.

AND SHOULD YOUR GODLESS PREDICTION COME THROUGH, WHAT DO YOU WIN???

YOUR ATHEISM IS SHOWING THROUGH, FRANCO. JUMP ON THE SIDE OF THE SOCIALISTS FOR ALL I GIVE A DAMN. YOU HAVE BECOME AS FRUSTRATING AS DEALING WITH THE ROGER CROWD.

HOPE YOU HAD A GREAT ATHEIST CELEBRATION ON APRIL 1ST...ALL FOOLS DAY!

UB

Roger Perry
04-10-2011, 10:47 AM
I have added my comments in orange.

What about any medical emergency, or special needs by children being born with a birth defect such as autism, down syndrome, cerebal palsy, heart disease or any other thing children can be born with. How much do you think it would cost to raise these children for the rest of their lives because they will never become self supporting????????????

Franco
04-10-2011, 11:04 AM
AND SHOULD YOUR GODLESS PREDICTION COME THROUGH, WHAT DO YOU WIN???

YOUR ATHEISM IS SHOWING THROUGH, FRANCO. JUMP ON THE SIDE OF THE SOCIALISTS FOR ALL I GIVE A DAMN. YOU HAVE BECOME AS FRUSTRATING AS DEALING WITH THE ROGER CROWD.

HOPE YOU HAD A GREAT ATHEIST CELEBRATION ON APRIL 1ST...ALL FOOLS DAY!

UB

Why, because I am not in lock-step with a bunch of mindless crap like this lastest move by the Tea Party?

Repubs are no different then the Dems, just a different color.

Roger Perry
04-10-2011, 11:07 AM
Why, because I am not in lock-step with a bunch of mindless crap like this lastest move by the Tea Party?

Repubs are no different then the Dems, just a different color.

Franco, you are not a far right Republican tea party member so you just became one "of us" in the eyes of the likes of UB, Hew, RK, little RK and Luv.;-)

Franco
04-10-2011, 11:15 AM
Franco, you are not a far right Republican tea party member so you just became one "of us" in the eyes of the likes of UB, Hew, RK, little RK and Luv.;-)

Another 4 years of Obama can be attributed to the folks you've mentioned and the those that think like them!

Give me Liberty!

road kill
04-10-2011, 11:21 AM
Another 4 years of Obama can be attributed to the folks you've mentioned and the those that think like them!

Give me Liberty!

Nice.

I lump you (Franco) with no one else but you.
I respectfully disagree with some of your points but under NO circumsatnce would I lump you with Roger.


BTW--I bet 5 #'s of Johnsonville Brats & a 12 pack of Leinies Red vs 5 #'s of Cajun Crawdads or Gumbo and your favorite local brew!!
Bet??

stan b

Franco
04-10-2011, 11:31 AM
Nice.

I lump you (Franco) with no one else but you.
I respectfully disagree with some of your points but under NO circumsatnce would I lump you with Roger.

stan b

I'd like to think my reasoning is based on an opened mind. One with real solutions not some blind beliefs.

You are correct though and that we are all different. I don't want to see another 4 years of Obama. But, if the right in going to represent big government, just a differnt flavor, them count me out. Big government is why we have the problems we have today.

Is Boehner supporting raising the debt ceiling?

Give me Liberty!

Roger Perry
04-10-2011, 11:51 AM
I'd like to think my reasoning is based on an opened mind. One with real solutions not some blind beliefs.

You are correct though and that we are all different. I don't want to see another 4 years of Obama. But, if the right in going to represent big government, just a differnt flavor, them count me out. Big government is why we have the problems we have today.

Is Boehner supporting raising the debt ceiling?

Give me Liberty!

Tax loopholes need to be plugged. No more tax breaks for big business including oil companies. If these issues cannot be addressed the deficit will continue to grow. Cutting out funding for programs like Planned Parenthood is just a drop in the Ocean and will create bigger expenditures in the long run.

However, Republican contributions rely on big business and big oil to fund their campaigns and will not be touched. Let's go after some big money spending cuts not just the nickle and dime spending cuts or Republican agenda spending cuts.

We need to get the hell out of Afghanistan and iraq and not get any more involved in Libya. Let the U.N. take care of the mess there.

Uncle Bill
04-10-2011, 12:07 PM
Tax loopholes need to be plugged. No more tax breaks for big business including oil companies. If these issues cannot be addressed the deficit will continue to grow. Cutting out funding for programs like Planned Parenthood is just a drop in the Ocean and will create bigger expenditures in the long run.

However, Republican contributions rely on big business and big oil to fund their campaigns and will not be touched. Let's go after some big money spending cuts not just the nickle and dime spending cuts or Republican agenda spending cuts.

We need to get the hell out of Afghanistan and iraq and not get any more involved in Libya. Let the U.N. take care of the mess there.

Who the hell are you and the other Obama lovers to tell anybody about plugging loopholes, after we watch GE get coddled by your messiah???

So going "after some big money spending cuts" is what you're in favor of? Then we should be expecting you to be lobbying for the Paul Ryan version of the 2012 budget?

It's my bet you'll be wringing your hands and propping up all your liberal/socialist buddies in the Senate, fighting against that budget with everything they can throw at it. I can hardly wait for the left telling us all we'll be feeding our elderly dog food again.:rolleyes:

UB

Franco
04-10-2011, 12:18 PM
Who the hell are you and the other Obama lovers to tell anybody about plugging loopholes, after we watch GE get coddled by your messiah???

So going "after some big money spending cuts" is what you're in favor of? Then we should be expecting you to be lobbying for the Paul Ryan version of the 2012 budget?

It's my bet you'll be wringing your hands and propping up all your liberal/socialist buddies in the Senate, fighting against that budget with everything they can throw at it. I can hardly wait for the left telling us all we'll be feeding our elderly dog food again.:rolleyes:

UB

If you were really serious about the deficit, you would be supporting Rand Paul's budget and not Ryan's. Ryan's leaves us with a projected 10 TRILLION deficit after 10 years!

Hoosier
04-10-2011, 12:20 PM
Tax rich people into oblivion so Rodger don't get less on his monthly check.

Roger Perry
04-10-2011, 12:31 PM
Yes the Republicans took over control of the House in the last election. However since the last election the people have seen how far right the pendulum has swung to the right and the people do not like it. 60$% of the people of Wisconsin do not think their governor is doing a good job and that is just 2 months into his taking over the office and if another election were held today he would not be elected again. The same hold true for the governors in Utah and Indiana and any other state that is going after busting the unions. Do you really think that the voters of either party that are getting their pay slashed by 8% would vote for them as a governor again??????How about their family members do you think they would vote for them again???????????

How about social security and medicare ----------- do you think reducing social security and increasing medicare will endear the elderly to the Republican Party????????????? Think again big boy. The people have seen what the tea party is about and don't like it. The only people still salvating are the hopped up far right tea party members themselves.

Other than Palin and Bachman I don't see any other Republican Presidential canidate endorsing the Tea Party.

road kill
04-10-2011, 12:33 PM
Yes the Republicans took over control of the House in the last election. However since the last election the people have seen how far right the pendulum has swung to the right and the people do not like it. 60$% of the people of Wisconsin do not think their governor is doing a good job and that is just 2 months into his taking over the office and if another election were held today he would not be elected again. The same hold true for the governors in Utah and Indiana and any other state that is going after busting the unions. Do you really think that the voters of either party that are getting their pay slashed by 8% would vote for them as a governor again??????How about their family members do you think they would vote for them again???????????

How about social security and medicare ----------- do you think reducing social security and increasing medicare will endear the elderly to the Republican Party????????????? Think again big boy. The people have seen what the tea party is about and don't like it. The only people still salvating are the hopped up far right tea party members themselves.

BULLSHAT!!!!
You don't know what you are talking about.



RK

Uncle Bill
04-10-2011, 12:33 PM
If you were really serious about the deficit, you would be supporting Rand Paul's budget and not Ryan's. Ryan's leaves us with a projected 10 TRILLION deficit after 10 years!


If Ryan's budget proposal doesn't stand a chance in hell of passing THIS Senate, what makes you think a Paul proposal would?

Similar to the folly of adding that shutdown of PP in THIS years budget skirmishes, it makes no sense to present a 2012 budget so FAR over the hill it's not even in the reality ball park.

Besides, you cry 'Liberty'. Does that mean you are in the Paul camp of protectionism as well?

UB

Roger Perry
04-10-2011, 12:39 PM
BULLSHAT!!!!
You don't know what you are talking about.



RK

Rasmussen Poll: Almost Six In Ten Wisconsin Voters Disapprove Of Gov. Walker


http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/03/rasmussen-poll-almost-six-in-ten-wisconsin-voters-disapprove-of-gov-walker.php

road kill
04-10-2011, 12:42 PM
Rasmussen Poll: Almost Six In Ten Wisconsin Voters Disapprove Of Gov. Walker


http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/03/rasmussen-poll-almost-six-in-ten-wisconsin-voters-disapprove-of-gov-walker.php


They showed they stand with him last week in a real poll.

It's called an ELECTION!!!!


Nuff said.......


RK

Roger Perry
04-10-2011, 12:55 PM
They showed they stand with him last week in a real poll.

It's called an ELECTION!!!!


Nuff said.......


RK

What, 30% of wisconsin voters turned out for the election????????????? Nothing like what the November 2012 elections will bring to the pols.;-)

Uncle Bill
04-10-2011, 01:03 PM
What, 30% of wisconsin voters turned out for the election????????????? Nothing like what the November 2012 elections will bring to the pols.;-)

You're right, Roger...don't even waste your time. Your hanging chad is dead meat. :cool:


UB

Ironman
04-10-2011, 05:58 PM
Yes the Republicans took over control of the House in the last election. However since the last election the people have seen how far right the pendulum has swung to the right and the people do not like it. 60$% of the people of Wisconsin do not think their governor is doing a good job and that is just 2 months into his taking over the office and if another election were held today he would not be elected again. The same hold true for the governors in Utah and Indiana and any other state that is going after busting the unions. Do you really think that the voters of either party that are getting their pay slashed by 8% would vote for them as a governor again??????How about their family members do you think they would vote for them again???????????
Seriously, you are kidding right?! Herbert is dong fine in Utah, and as a public employee, I support any move to kill the public unions in any state.

Buzz
04-10-2011, 06:22 PM
If you were really serious about the deficit, you would be supporting Rand Paul's budget and not Ryan's. Ryan's leaves us with a projected 10 TRILLION deficit after 10 years!

Ryan's budget is a fraud.

luvmylabs23139
04-10-2011, 07:21 PM
Tax loopholes need to be plugged. No more tax breaks .

YEAH< no more tax breaks or redistribution for the non taxpayers.
As long as people can steal from those that earn it is messed up.
NO CHILD CREDIT
HAve them pay not get rewarded for being a darn rabbit

huntinman
04-10-2011, 08:46 PM
The Republicans still have not come up with a front runner for President in 2012. Nor have they come up with a 2nd or 3rd runner for President in 2012. What platform would a Republican Presidential pretender run on the Tea Party platform??????????? Please say yes;-)

Sure we have ... we have Obama... and Millions of idiots just like you Roger who idolize him and take the tea party and the ass whipping you got last November for granted. You are going to get another in November this time. What platform?? how about a Stop screwing up our country platform? Get the Socialist out of the White House. Sounds good to me.

We don't need a frontrunner... we have Obama.

Cody Covey
04-10-2011, 11:45 PM
What, 30% of wisconsin voters turned out for the election????????????? Nothing like what the November 2012 elections will bring to the pols.;-)

You're right it won't be like a November election which is kind of the point. 30% of voters turned out for a spring election which usually nets 20% of WI voters. You can spin it anyway you like...doesn't make it right~

road kill
04-11-2011, 06:18 AM
What, 30% of wisconsin voters turned out for the election????????????? Nothing like what the November 2012 elections will bring to the pols.;-)

How about the turn out for the NOV 2010 election??
How did that work out for ya??????:D



RK