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road kill
04-12-2011, 09:08 AM
I am watching Trump.
I do not think he is stupid, goofy maybe, not stupid.

I think he can make a run.
If he chose Ryan or Walker as VP he could make a case.
The biggest issue in the USA right now is the economy and the debt.
Trump is well versed in handling both.
He is a true DC outsider.
He could well appeal to true independents.
Both Ryan & Walker have demonstrated a knack for economics.

Nothing seems to stick to the Donald.

Plus, I think Trump has a trick up his sleeve.;-)
If you want to know what I think it is.....ask.

Not quite ready to jump on that wagon just yet, but it has caught my attention.

Your thoughts?


stan b

dnf777
04-12-2011, 09:16 AM
Many attactive aspects to the Donald, but bottom line, I don't think he can carry the moderates or old-school conservatives. In order to win, a right-leaning candidate will have to figure out how to unite EVERYONE right of center, because the "center" has gotten pretty wide. Without unifying the right, I don't think anyone has much of a chance against Obama, barring economic disaster.

Fortunately or unfortunately, Obama has the incumbent advantage, with relative assurance that most left of center will be a lock. Not so on the right.

Julie R.
04-12-2011, 09:17 AM
Although I have a hard time with the hair and the arrogance, surely it takes a healthy dose of the latter to survive the circus that our elections have become. Agreed, the man is surely not stupid or ignorant and I do believe his real world business experience is certainly more impressive than any of the other candidates. I'm not ready to jump on his bandwagon yet, but nor am I willing to write him off. He definitely bears watching and can afford the PR machine it will take as tawdry scandals from his personal life emerge.

huntinman
04-12-2011, 09:22 AM
Many attactive aspects to the Donald, but bottom line, I don't think he can carry the moderates or old-school conservatives. In order to win, a right-leaning candidate will have to figure out how to unite EVERYONE right of center, because the "center" has gotten pretty wide. Without unifying the right, I don't think anyone has much of a chance against Obama, barring economic disaster.

Fortunately or unfortunately, Obama has the incumbent advantage, with relative assurance that most left of center will be a lock. Not so on the right.

You looked at oil prices lately? Looked at Obamas Libya strategy lately? Looked at the Rasmussen daily tracking numbers lately?

Might be time to take a look. 2012 regards

Duck Blind
04-12-2011, 09:25 AM
As much as we think we know about the Donald, I believe there's a lot more that we don't know. Economic/financial success and in some folks opinion, superiority, may not translate to a President that can effectively lead a country during times of global conflict, natural disasters, etc. With money one can accomplish most anything. When his money can't help, how will he fair? Interesting personality for sure.

mjh345
04-12-2011, 09:38 AM
He does have experience with bankruptcy!!:)

Buzz
04-12-2011, 09:53 AM
He does have experience with bankruptcy!!:)

I saw him asked about the bankruptcies. He emphatically stated the he himself has never filed for bankruptcy, it was his businesses that filed, and that it was pure and simple a business decision. So, I guess that makes it all better. I didn't go bankrupt, I just ran a business deal into the ground. Whew, I feel much better.

dnf777
04-12-2011, 09:55 AM
You looked at oil prices lately? Looked at Obamas Libya strategy lately? Looked at the Rasmussen daily tracking numbers lately?

Might be time to take a look. 2012 regards

I sure have. That's why I qualified my comments. Like a horse race...nobody knows for sure...that's why we let them run!

Ken Bora
04-12-2011, 09:58 AM
I have a hard time with the hair .


I still say "T-Hair" is not elect-able
I am sniffin out this feller at this time

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ee/Chris_Christie_at_townhall.jpg/225px-Chris_Christie_at_townhall.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Chris_Christie_at_townhall.jpg)

Cody Covey
04-12-2011, 10:25 AM
I still say "T-Hair" is not elect-able
I am sniffin out this feller at this time

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ee/Chris_Christie_at_townhall.jpg/225px-Chris_Christie_at_townhall.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Chris_Christie_at_townhall.jpg)

that guy could never win a conservative ticket. Ever seen his views on gun rights?

dnf777
04-12-2011, 10:26 AM
Here it is-----at CNN.com if you want to link:



Washington (CNN) - Donald Trump says he's now flirting with the idea of running as an independent candidate should he fail to win the Republican presidential nomination, a move that, however farfetched, threatens to draw crucial support away from the eventual GOP nominee.


Ruh-Roh!!!

Ken Bora
04-12-2011, 11:17 AM
Here it is-----at CNN.com if you want to link:



Washington (CNN) - Donald Trump says he's now flirting with the idea of running as an independent candidate should he fail to win the Republican presidential nomination, a move that, however farfetched, threatens to draw crucial support away from the eventual GOP nominee.


Ruh-Roh!!!

Ruh-Roh is right Astro.
That 'ill make it just like the Gordie, Bernie, Bove race of 1982!


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Roger Perry
04-12-2011, 11:39 AM
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luvmylabs23139
04-12-2011, 12:26 PM
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BonMallari
04-12-2011, 12:26 PM
and they said America would NEVER elect a black man President....Trump is going to be a factor, laugh all you want...He could be another Ross Perot,he could also be the king maker if he drums up enough support and throws that weight behind someone else...the media loves him and the American public has shown that the Presidential elections have become popularity contests, not who is most qualified

Roger Perry
04-12-2011, 12:30 PM
and they said America would NEVER elect a black man President....Trump is going to be a factor, laugh all you want...He could be another Ross Perot,he could also be the king maker if he drums up enough support and throws that weight behind someone else...the media loves him and the American public has shown that the Presidential elections have become popularity contests, not who is most qualified
If he ran as an independent he will take alot of votes away from the Republican pretender er contender and give the election to Obama.;-)

luvmylabs23139
04-12-2011, 12:35 PM
If he ran as an independent he will take alot of votes away from the Republican pretender er contender and give the election to Obama.;-)


There is no way Trump will run as an idependent when it comes down to it.
He wants rid of Obumma too much.:p

Roger Perry
04-12-2011, 12:36 PM
There is no way Trump will run as an idependent when it comes down to it.
He wants rid of Obumma too much.:p

His ego is too big that if he does not get the Republican nomination he will run as an independent.:-P

BonMallari
04-12-2011, 12:43 PM
He will threaten to run as an Indy but he knows you need the weight ($$$$$) of the Rep Party to get elected...the same goes for the Tea Party,they may have political clout and influence but money determines the outcomes of elections..cold hard fact

He will force the Republicans to ask themselves do you REALLY want to unseat BHO, and at what price

I think he forced Romney to come out earlier than he wanted to, I think he will smoke out the other contenders and pretenders

Gerry Clinchy
04-12-2011, 01:01 PM
I still say "T-Hair" is not elect-able
I am sniffin out this feller at this time

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ee/Chris_Christie_at_townhall.jpg/225px-Chris_Christie_at_townhall.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Chris_Christie_at_townhall.jpg)

Christie has been pretty adamant about NOT running. If hee has POTUS aspirations, I'd say that he'd have a better chance if he can get NJ straightened out first. He's young enough to wait for 2016.

While voters are focused on jobs and economy, there is no question that some international savvy is also needed. The present POTUS did not have that, and it has not worked out too well. Not sure how Christie would be on that scoresheet.

Roger Perry
04-12-2011, 01:34 PM
Just wait for the campaigning to begin, the pretenders will be taking shots at each other until one emerges wounded from the pack. It will be like shooting wolves from a helicopter.;-)

dnf777
04-18-2011, 03:09 PM
Trump 'just another liberal'?

Washington (CNN) - As he claims to get more serious about mounting a presidential bid, Donald Trump is taking fire from an influential conservative group that claims the business mogul is "just another liberal."


http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/18/trump-just-another-liberal/?hpt=T2

Stan???? WTH???

You switchin' sides on us???? :shock:

Buzz
04-18-2011, 03:15 PM
Yes, Trump is just another liberal. This was taken from his 2001 book "The America we Deserve":


"We must have universal healthcare," wrote Trump. "I'm a conservative on most issues but a liberal on this one. We should not hear so many stories of families ruined by healthcare expenses."
The goal of health care reform, wrote Trump, should be a system that looks a lot like Canada. "Doctors might be paid less than they are now, as is the case in Canada, but they would be able to treat more patients because of the reduction in their paperwork," he writes.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1580631312/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=slatmaga-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=1580631312

Hew
04-18-2011, 03:54 PM
Christie has been pretty adamant about NOT running. If hee has POTUS aspirations, I'd say that he'd have a better chance if he can get NJ straightened out first. He's young enough to wait for 2016. Perhaps the country can't wait until 2016? I'm not going to throw out the baby with the gun control bath water, and can excuse some gun control issues that might not fit the conservative orthodoxy. I like this guy alot. Talk about the "Straight Talk Express." He brings it to both sides of the aisle.

While voters are focused on jobs and economy, there is no question that some international savvy is also needed. The present POTUS did not have that, and it has not worked out too well. Not sure how Christie would be on that scoresheet. I think the "international savvy" thing is overplayed anyway. If a President can't lead as a Govenor, a congressman, senator, etc. then he can't lead the world either. And the converse (or inverse?) is true...the principles of good domestic leadership are the same as the principles of good foreign leadership...whether you're dealing with the Minority Whip or the Prime Minister of Estonia.
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Uncle Bill
04-18-2011, 05:57 PM
His ego is too big that if he does not get the Republican nomination he will run as an independent.:-P

Another prediction from the Yammering Yahoo of Yawnville???? As usual your views are so childish it's pathetic. The only ego that is too large around here is yours.:-P:-P

UB


Trump: I'm Running as a Republican, Period

Monday, 18 Apr 2011 08:13 AM






http://www.newsmax.com/App_Themes/Newsmax/images/articlePage/clear.gif


Billionaire Donald Trump has made it official: If he decides to run for president in 2012, he will do so as a Republican.

"If I run, I'm running as a Republican," the real estate mogul told the Shark Tank political website.

Trump, who continues to lead several presidential polls, including an ongoing poll by Newsmax, dismissed the likelihood that he'd run as an independent, as that would split the Republican vote and all but guarantee President Barack Obama's re-election.






Read more on Newsmax.com: Trump: I'm Running as a Republican, Period (http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/DonaldTrump-2012PresidentialElection/2011/04/18/id/393179?s=al&promo_code=C19D-1#ixzz1JuyPZoHz)

Uncle Bill
04-18-2011, 06:06 PM
Here's some more news from that conservative gathering in Florida.

UB


Rep. West: US Needs Leadership in 'Critical Time'

Saturday, 16 Apr 2011 08:06 PM
By Tom O'Connell


Rep. Allen West says he hopes Donald Trump is serious about running for president, because America is in need of a leader who can guide it through a “critical time.”

The Florida Republican and the billionaire real estate magnate were the keynote speakers at Saturday’s Tax Day Tea Party in Boca Raton, Fla., organized by the South Florida Tea Party.

“I say anyone who wants to step up and be a leader in this country, this is a critical time,” Allen told Newsmax.TV. “This is not a time for any jokes, games or gimmicks, and I hope he is very serious.”

The freshman congressman also noted the tea party movement’s increasing influence in politics, citing the groups' influence in recent budget negotiations.

“As you continue to see this type of increase with these types of votes, that has to get the attention of the leadership and lets them know they have to go in and fight a little bit stronger.”

Allen also said he would not rule out running for vice president on a Trump ticket if he were asked.


Read more on Newsmax.com: Rep. West: US Needs Leadership in 'Critical Time' (http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/AllenWest-DonaldTrump-SouthfloridaTeaParty/2011/04/16/id/393099?s=al&promo_code=C19D-1#ixzz1Jv1CNmTd)

Cody Covey
04-18-2011, 06:28 PM
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I would not vote for someone that is not for tough immigration reform and believes in the second amendment. This guy couldn't win the republican ticket.

http://conservativenewjersey.com/chris-christie-a-conservative-myth-part-7

Hew
04-19-2011, 06:04 AM
I would not vote for someone that is not for tough immigration reform and believes in the second amendment. This guy couldn't win the republican ticket.
Don't think that your first sentence proves your second. John McCain, anyone? ;-)

Cody Covey
04-19-2011, 11:35 AM
Don't think that your first sentence proves your second. John McCain, anyone? ;-)

John McCain was for both tough immigration reform and pro 2nd amendment. (During the election) So unless Christie changes his mind on the big stage, no he can't win.

Uncle Bill
04-19-2011, 11:44 AM
According to Walter Williams, NOBODY, other than Obama can win in 2012.

After reading his reasoning, it's hard to argue with...unfortunately.

UB

Hew
04-19-2011, 01:55 PM
John McCain was for both tough immigration reform and pro 2nd amendment. (During the election).
You must be thinking of someone else, because the last thing John McCain could possibly be described as was "tough on immigration reform." And while his 2nd Ammendent cred is alot better than Christie's, at one time the NRA referred to him as a "judas goat" (a goat that is used by shepherds to lead lambs peacefully to slaughter). McCain isn't called a "maverick" because he's so darn conservative. ;-)

The larger point is that we have Obama as President in some measure because a lot of folks didn't find McCain to be conservative enough and chose to stay home on election day. That's certainly every conservative's perogative to stamp their feet and send an election day message by not voting or voting for a freakshow without a prayer to win (like Ron Paul), but IMO they're cutting off their nose to spite their face and will be assuring Obama a 2nd term.

BonMallari
04-19-2011, 02:06 PM
The larger point is that we have Obama as President in some measure because a lot of folks didn't find McCain to be conservative enough and chose to stay home on election day. That's certainly every conservative's perogative to stamp their feet and send an election day message by not voting or voting for a freakshow without a prayer to win (like Ron Paul), but IMO they're cutting off their nose to spite their face and will be assuring Obama a 2nd term.

^^^^this is what scares the heck out of me,complacency with the status quo

Losthwy
04-20-2011, 05:46 PM
Three wives, bankruptcy, stumping on the birther non issue, he's a long shot to get the Rep. nomination. It's still not certain he's serious about running.