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Roger Perry
04-29-2011, 07:37 AM
Things not looking good for the tea party:rolleyes:.

An increasing number of Americans are fed up with the tea party extremists and their outlandish views on government, a new USA Today/Gallup poll shows.

The poll shows 47 percent of those surveyed now hold unfavorable views of the tea party while just 33 percent see the movement in a favorable light. That is a seven percent increase in unfavorable ratings and six percent drop in favorable since the Gallup last surveyed American opinion on the tea party in January.
Only 30 percent of independents — the voter bloc crucial for elections — now favor the tea party. The tea party does best with older men with limited education while 57 percent of older women older women now oppose the movement.
Gallup isn’t the first opinion research firm to show support dropping for the tea party. A CNN/Opinion Research poll released in late last month also found the movement’s negative rating at 47 percent and support at 32 percent.
Why the drop? People now see the extremes of thetea party movement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement) and they don’t like what they see. From the discredited birther movement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories) to advocating cuts that hurt education, a growing number of Americans realize the tea party is out of touch with mainstream America.
From where we sit, the tea party represents the worst of America: hate, bigotry and the rampant use of misinformation to further a regressive political agenda. The party appeals to the gullible and — once reality sets in — more informed voters turn their back on the mockery that the tea party makes of the American political system.
Plus the tea party darlings — Sarah Palin,Michelle Bachmann (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michele_Bachmann), et. al — have fallen significantly in the public view. Even Wisconsin governorScott Walker (http://www.4ad.com/scottwalker/) — touted as a possible GOP Presidential candidate just 60 days ago — is dropping fast in public polls as reality of how his actions in Wisconsin have ruined the state sets in.

The tea pot is boiling over and the party is disappearing like steam.

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/40643

subroc
04-29-2011, 08:07 AM
yeh, I expect it is dropping among those that never supported them in the first place.

Roger Perry
04-29-2011, 08:33 AM
They are probably talking about those who jumped on the tea party band wagon and were caught up in the frenzy. Now those same people have seen the tea party in action and do not like what they see.

luvmylabs23139
04-29-2011, 10:16 AM
What is your issue Roger?
The majority of tea party people simply believe in less big gov't and taxes.

Oh yeah I forgot, you like socialism.

Mike Smith
04-29-2011, 10:52 AM
Keep trying buddy and click both heels

BrianW
04-29-2011, 05:39 PM
OK let's play the numbers game;

http://scottystarnes.wordpress.com/2011/04/22/70-believe-america-is-on-the-wrong-path-as-80-believe-the-economy-is-very-bad/

70% believe America is on the Wrong Path as 80% Believe the Economy is very bad The results of Obama’s policies and Obamanomics.
Politico (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0411/53571.html?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=Morning%2BBell) reports:

Americans are more pessimistic about the economy than they have been in more than two years, as gas prices (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0411/53556.html) soar, unemployment remains high and Washington battles it out over federal spending, a new poll suggests.
In a New York Times/CBS News poll released late Thursday (http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/86023/new-york-times-cbs-news-poll-april-2011.pdf), views of the path on which the country is headed are the worst they’ve been since just weeks after President Barack Obama (http://www.politico.com/politico44/) took office in early 2009. Twenty-six percent of those surveyed said the country is on the right track, while 70 percent said it’s on the wrong one. In February 2009, 23 percent of those surveyed for a CBS poll said it was on the right track, while 68 percent said it was on the wrong one.

Eighty percent of those surveyed, meanwhile, said they think the economy is doing fairly or very bad, while 17 percent said it is fairly good and just 2 percent said it is very good.

Roger Perry
04-29-2011, 06:14 PM
OK let's play the numbers game;

http://scottystarnes.wordpress.com/2011/04/22/70-believe-america-is-on-the-wrong-path-as-80-believe-the-economy-is-very-bad/

70% believe America is on the Wrong Path as 80% Believe the Economy is very bad The results of Obama’s policies and Obamanomics.

Politico (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0411/53571.html?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=Morning%2BBell) reports:
Americans are more pessimistic about the economy than they have been in more than two years, as gas prices (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0411/53556.html) soar, unemployment remains high and Washington battles it out over federal spending, a new poll suggests.


In a New York Times/CBS News poll released late Thursday (http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/86023/new-york-times-cbs-news-poll-april-2011.pdf), views of the path on which the country is headed are the worst they’ve been since just weeks after President Barack Obama (http://www.politico.com/politico44/) took office in early 2009. Twenty-six percent of those surveyed said the country is on the right track, while 70 percent said it’s on the wrong one. In February 2009, 23 percent of those surveyed for a CBS poll said it was on the right track, while 68 percent said it was on the wrong one.


Eighty percent of those surveyed, meanwhile, said they think the economy is doing fairly or very bad, while 17 percent said it is fairly good and just 2 percent said it is very good.


No one said everything is rosey. I am all for a middle of the road Republican if there is such a thing anymore but the radical right has taken over the party in the form of the tea party and those that have seen the workings of the tea partiers are moving away from them. Even in Wisconsin the Republicans there are taking a second look at the budget proposals Governor Walker is proposing.

starjack
04-29-2011, 06:51 PM
No one said everything is rosey. I am all for a middle of the road Republican if there is such a thing anymore but the radical right has taken over the party in the form of the tea party and those that have seen the workings of the tea partiers are moving away from them. Even in Wisconsin the Republicans there are taking a second look at the budget proposals Governor Walker is proposing.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA You are kidding right.

Julie R.
04-29-2011, 11:08 PM
I bet the hopey changey crowd is losing believers faster than the Tea Party :cool:

JDogger
04-29-2011, 11:35 PM
I bet the hopey changey crowd is losing believers faster than the Tea Party :cool:

Don't count on it. But, give me something to buy into and I might go over to the "dark side".

JD

M&K's Retrievers
04-30-2011, 01:04 AM
Don't count on it. But, give me something to buy into and I might go over to the "dark side".

JD

JD(Luke), I am your father.

Losthwy
04-30-2011, 09:14 AM
Resist the dark side JD.

http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/r/c/cheney_darthvader_unmasked.jpg (http://www.retrievertraining.net/library/images/blpic-cheneyvaderunmasked2.htm)

BrianW
04-30-2011, 10:09 AM
No one said everything is rosey. I am all for a middle of the road Republican if there is such a thing anymore but the radical right has taken over the party in the form of the tea party and those that have seen the workings of the tea partiers are moving away from them. Even in Wisconsin the Republicans there are taking a second look at the budget proposals Governor Walker is proposing.
Roger, you continually post these biased CHB articles/links on "the demise of the Right/Tea Party so I just thought I'd give some balance to the thread. The link I posted was even from Politico showing how PBO's numbers are tanking.
No, nothing is rosy right now. Bond raters & the IMF are seeing & saying that the US has no viable plan to get out of the financial crisis. Here's even something from HuffPo for you http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/19/financial-system-riskier-_n_851122.html
The next big bailout is likely to consume 34% of GDP/over $5 Trillion.
The dollar index is at the lowest point in over 3 years & Confidence in the dollar is causing other countries to aggressively move to create alternate reserve currencies, causing gold/silver to skyrocket.
The Obama doctrine for the Middle East has gotten us involved in yet another war and appears to leading us towards one in Syria as well.

A MOTR "Republican" , re: a Quigley two sides of the same coin candidate will do nothing to counter these trends & policies.


Don't count on it. But, give me something to buy into and I might go over to the "dark side".

JD

Even the President/CEO of the National Black Chamber of Commerce admits voting for PBO was the worst mistake he's ever made, one that haunt him to his grave. When even black business owners are opposed to PBO's policies shouldn't that give you pause to consider?
http://www.nationalbcc.org/index.php?view=article&catid=63%3Abeyond-the-rhetoric&id=1294%3Ait-doesnt-get-uglier-than-this&format=pdf&option=com_content&Itemid=8
It doesn’t get uglier than this!
We are supposed to be the envy of the free world. Yet, here we were in the midst of a budget struggle. Budget struggle? That is the stuff third world countries wrestle with. But here we were acting like Zimbabwe or something. Our treasury is in a major deficit and our so called leaders act as if they have money to burn. The only ones who are going to get burned are us.
China, Japan and Saudi Arabia hold our financial paper; the price of oil is going through the “roof”, grocery prices are skyrocketing and we are now into three wars with no end apparent.
Whatever happened to good fiscal management like they teach us at business schools? We are drunk with malfeasance and our leadership is stuck in the “toilet”. ...
Back to the issue at hand. We are in serious debt - a debt that rivals Zimbabwe more than any first world nation. We must address this for the future of our children, grandchildren and the free world at large. Our elected officials must no longer ignore this and begin to cut away at the debt. Yes, it will be tough and painful but it is necessary if we are to survive as a great people.
All budgets from here on out must address this massive debt. The budget of 2012 must show a massive decrease in spending as well as all budgets thereafter. The debt ceiling is coming up
for a vote. We should not increase it one penny. It is time to get tough and vigilant if we want our nation to survive in peace and prosperity.
Shame on our elected officials who put on such a great “hissy fit” over something that should have been so elementary and routine, they betrayed us all. It is time for us to tell these elected
officials that they have a fiscal responsibility.

Like a business, they must be accountable and maintain solvency.

Anything else will lead to bankruptcy and bankruptcy by our government is intolerable. Let’s end the debt and prevent a reoccurrence from ever happening again.
God bless America and may all those incompetent officials go straight to Hell

Roger Perry
04-30-2011, 10:34 AM
Roger, you continually post these biased CHB articles/links on "the demise of the Right/Tea Party so I just thought I'd give some balance to the thread. The link I posted was even from Politico showing how PBO's numbers are tanking.
No, nothing is rosy right now. Bond raters & the IMF are seeing & saying that the US has no viable plan to get out of the financial crisis. Here's even something from HuffPo for you http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/19/financial-system-riskier-_n_851122.html
The next big bailout is likely to consume 34% of GDP/over $5 Trillion.
The dollar index is at the lowest point in over 3 years & Confidence in the dollar is causing other countries to aggressively move to create alternate reserve currencies, causing gold/silver to skyrocket.
The Obama doctrine for the Middle East has gotten us involved in yet another war and appears to leading us towards one in Syria as well.

A MOTR "Republican" , re: a Quigley two sides of the same coin candidate will do nothing to counter these trends & policies.



Even the President/CEO of the National Black Chamber of Commerce admits voting for PBO was the worst mistake he's ever made, one that haunt him to his grave. When even black business owners are opposed to PBO's policies shouldn't that give you pause to consider?
http://www.nationalbcc.org/index.php?view=article&catid=63%3Abeyond-the-rhetoric&id=1294%3Ait-doesnt-get-uglier-than-this&format=pdf&option=com_content&Itemid=8
It doesn’t get uglier than this!
We are supposed to be the envy of the free world. Yet, here we were in the midst of a budget struggle. Budget struggle? That is the stuff third world countries wrestle with. But here we were acting like Zimbabwe or something. Our treasury is in a major deficit and our so called leaders act as if they have money to burn. The only ones who are going to get burned are us.
China, Japan and Saudi Arabia hold our financial paper; the price of oil is going through the “roof”, grocery prices are skyrocketing and we are now into three wars with no end apparent.
Whatever happened to good fiscal management like they teach us at business schools? We are drunk with malfeasance and our leadership is stuck in the “toilet”. ...
Back to the issue at hand. We are in serious debt - a debt that rivals Zimbabwe more than any first world nation. We must address this for the future of our children, grandchildren and the free world at large. Our elected officials must no longer ignore this and begin to cut away at the debt. Yes, it will be tough and painful but it is necessary if we are to survive as a great people.
All budgets from here on out must address this massive debt. The budget of 2012 must show a massive decrease in spending as well as all budgets thereafter. The debt ceiling is coming up
for a vote. We should not increase it one penny. It is time to get tough and vigilant if we want our nation to survive in peace and prosperity.
Shame on our elected officials who put on such a great “hissy fit” over something that should have been so elementary and routine, they betrayed us all. It is time for us to tell these elected
officials that they have a fiscal responsibility.

Like a business, they must be accountable and maintain solvency.

Anything else will lead to bankruptcy and bankruptcy by our government is intolerable. Let’s end the debt and prevent a reoccurrence from ever happening again.
God bless America and may all those incompetent officials go straight to Hell


I just don't see how McCain who has admitted his lack of knowledge about economics or Palin a journalist major could have done any better. In fact I believe we would be in worse shape than we are now if they had gotten elected.;-)

starjack
04-30-2011, 10:41 AM
I just don't see how McCain who has admitted his lack of knowledge about economics or Palin a journalist major could have done any better. In fact I believe we would be in worse shape than we are now if they had gotten elected.;-)

But they did not get elected. Your boy did. Like they say elections have consequences. To bad this one turned out all bad.

subroc
04-30-2011, 10:41 AM
I just don't see how McCain who has admitted his lack of knowledge about economics or Palin a journalist major could have done any better. In fact I believe we would be in worse shape than we are now if they had gotten elected.;-)

well, who really knows if McCain/Palin would have or could have done any better, but one thing we do know is obama is not a man of action and the economy is tanking under his watch.

M&K's Retrievers
04-30-2011, 08:06 PM
I just don't see how McCain who has admitted his lack of knowledge about economics or Palin a journalist major could have done any better. In fact I believe we would be in worse shape than we are now if they had gotten elected.;-)

My guess is they would have chosen qualified advisers rather than the cast of inexperienced nobodys Obama enlisted.

Pump don't work 'cause a vandal stole the handle regards,

JDogger
04-30-2011, 10:07 PM
well, who really knows if McCain/Palin would have or could have done any better, but one thing we do know is obama is not a man of action and the economy is tanking under his watch.

Really?

Have you been to a Costco or Sam's Club lately on a friday or saturday
night? Somebodies seem to have lots of money to spend. Visa, MC. , not accepted. Amex, yes. but its net 30, and not from the time of the statement, but from the time of the charge.

I don't buy what I cant pay for.

Maybe congress, both sides, should be held to that standard.

Both parties, If we the people can't hold our representatives accountable?

maybe the fault is ours. JD

code3retrievers
05-01-2011, 08:47 AM
Don't count on it. But, give me something to buy into and I might go over to the "dark side".

JD

We did his name was McCain, how did that work out?

Roger Perry
05-01-2011, 09:21 AM
My guess is they would have chosen qualified advisers rather than the cast of inexperienced nobodys Obama enlisted.

Pump don't work 'cause a vandal stole the handle regards,

If there is not a brain between the two of them how would they know who is or is not qualified???????????? And if they had to choose between two conflicting pieces of advise without knowing anything about economics how would they make an intelligent choice?????????????
At least Obama has kept us out of a depression which Palin herself said we were headed for and that only McCain was the only one to keep us out of a depression.

M&K's Retrievers
05-01-2011, 11:13 AM
If there is not a brain between the two of them how would they know who is or is not qualified???????????? And if they had to choose between two conflicting pieces of advise without knowing anything about economics how would they make an intelligent choice?????????????
At least Obama has kept us out of a depression which Palin herself said we were headed for and that only McCain was the only one to keep us out of a depression.

Plueeze! I believe the ship would have righted itself without their spending meddling and have put the country in a worse position today than it would have been. I can't prove it nor can you disprove it.

charly_t
05-01-2011, 11:29 AM
At least Obama has kept us out of a depression which Palin herself said we were headed for and that only McCain was the only one to keep us out of a depression.

It is a depression ! Just because people are liars and not calling it by the correct name does not make it any less a depression. Ask all the people who now have family members who have no job and those people were forced to take in the relatives. Add friends to that list.........I know a couple who have friends living in their backyard in an RV. I am so thankful that so far our family all still have jobs but many people don't. And this depression is worse partly because of the food stamps being given out this time. Where people back in the 30s were at least growing most of ther own food it is a diffent ball game now. Not many who lost jobs this time even have a place to grow some food.
Food stamps and welfare are what is keeping some families fed and clothed. When the unemployment ran out they used up savings if they had some. Then they dropped off the radar so to speak. Most people are only hearing about the gov unemployment figures. When that runs out most gov agencies are not being loud and clear about how many people are getting some form of aid. Never mind the families who are being taken care of by relatives and friends....who's counting them ? Like Obama some people only know about their well to do friends and family. "None are so blind as those who refuse to see."

luvmylabs23139
05-01-2011, 11:47 AM
Really?

Have you been to a Costco or Sam's Club lately on a friday or saturday
night? JD


Nope, but have you been lately on the 1st or 2nd of the month?
Looked at all of the garbage food loaded in the cart that is paid for with an EBT card? God forbid we make them actually use an identifiable FOOD STAMP like of old.
PAcks of single size chips etc. Meat more expensive than I would buy.
Bring back standing in a line for a loaf of bread and bag of rice! If you want to scrounge from the taxpayers it should be public!

Buzz
05-01-2011, 12:04 PM
And this depression is worse partly because of the food stamps being given out this time.


Can you expand on that a little?

charly_t
05-01-2011, 12:27 PM
Can you expand on that a little?

Yes. Instead of them raising some food and helping themselves we are paying for their food. They are more dependent on taxpayers. Back in the 30s we had a more rural population than now. The soup kitchens back then served cheaper ( and healthier ) food than what the poor are living on now.

I might add..........we are sure feeding more people with taxpayer money of course since we have a lot more people in this country than back then.

BrianW
05-02-2011, 09:42 AM
It is a depression ! Just because people are liars and not calling it by the correct name does not make it any less a depression. Ask all the people who now have family members who have no job and those people were forced to take in the relatives. Add friends to that list.........I know a couple who have friends living in their backyard in an RV. I am so thankful that so far our family all still have jobs but many people don't.

They're some of the luckier ones. I'm seeing people camped in Walmart parking lots. :(

road kill
05-02-2011, 09:48 AM
You know, it's all subjective.
My Mom & Dad lived through "The Depression."
They had jobs, but no food.
There wasn't any.
Meat was all but impossible to get.
(as they told it)

Today our poor who are suffering and on subsistance have;

Cable TV, smart phones, high speed internet and dress pretty damned well.

Depression?
Maybe just time to "CUT SPENDING!!"

At least around here that is what I see.
If anyone here is "starving," please let me know, I have a freezer full of venison, I will give you some.


RK

Roger Perry
05-02-2011, 09:53 AM
It is a depression ! Just because people are liars and not calling it by the correct name does not make it any less a depression. Ask all the people who now have family members who have no job and those people were forced to take in the relatives. Add friends to that list.........I know a couple who have friends living in their backyard in an RV. I am so thankful that so far our family all still have jobs but many people don't. And this depression is worse partly because of the food stamps being given out this time. Where people back in the 30s were at least growing most of ther own food it is a diffent ball game now. Not many who lost jobs this time even have a place to grow some food.
Food stamps and welfare are what is keeping some families fed and clothed. When the unemployment ran out they used up savings if they had some. Then they dropped off the radar so to speak. Most people are only hearing about the gov unemployment figures. When that runs out most gov agencies are not being loud and clear about how many people are getting some form of aid. Never mind the families who are being taken care of by relatives and friends....who's counting them ? Like Obama some people only know about their well to do friends and family. "None are so blind as those who refuse to see."

Are you forgeting that business's and banks started failing in 2007 and that the unemployment kept sliding after Obama became President????????????
Did you really think a change in the Presidency would halt the slide immediately no matter who won the election????????????????? The Bush administration increased spending the last 2 years he was in office, and never included the cost of the 2 wars into the budget. did you expect Obama to come in and cut out all the programs Bush put into motion????????????? Get real.

charly_t
05-02-2011, 02:53 PM
Are you forgeting that business's and banks started failing in 2007 and that the unemployment kept sliding after Obama became President????????????
Did you really think a change in the Presidency would halt the slide immediately no matter who won the election????????????????? The Bush administration increased spending the last 2 years he was in office, and never included the cost of the 2 wars into the budget. did you expect Obama to come in and cut out all the programs Bush put into motion????????????? Get real.

No Rog, I have not forgot that..........we haven't had a good president with the nerve to do what was good for the country in a good while. "CHANGE" was promised and I am not seeing it, just more spending. And forget about throwing Bush up to me because I got news for you.......I did not vote for him either ( nor Gore ). The correct moves have not been made by very many in any office for many years now. I vote but I don't like my choice's very often anymore. Main election I vote for the least offensive person I see running.

charly_t
05-02-2011, 02:57 PM
They're some of the luckier ones. I'm seeing people camped in Walmart parking lots. :(

Not sure where these people were living/camping when people stepped up to help them.

TxHillHunter
05-02-2011, 02:58 PM
No Rog, I have not forgot that..........we haven't had a good president with the nerve to do what was good for the country in a good while. "CHANGE" was promised and I am not seeing it, just more spending. And forget about throwing Bush up to me because I got news for you.......I did not vote for him either ( nor Gore ). The correct moves have not been made by very many in any office for many years now. I vote but I don't like my choice's very often anymore. Main election I vote for the least offensive person I see running.

You'll have to forgive Roger, he has somewhat of a knee-jerk reaction to anyone that isn't 100% complimentary of the president, whether it's truth or not matters not.

JoeOverby
05-02-2011, 03:14 PM
Are you forgeting that business's and banks started failing in 2007 and that the unemployment kept sliding after Obama became President????????????
Did you really think a change in the Presidency would halt the slide immediately no matter who won the election????????????????? The Bush administration increased spending the last 2 years he was in office, and never included the cost of the 2 wars into the budget. did you expect Obama to come in and cut out all the programs Bush put into motion????????????? Get real.

The Bush admin increased spending in the last 2 years of his presidency? Really? You must be high. The last two years Bush was in office a LIBERAL, LEFT WING, SOCIALIST congress was in control of spending led by none other than Pelosi, Reid, Feinstein, and Barney Frank. You can blame Bush for all you want but when you choose to ignore the fact that our fate was in the hands of these clowns supported by people with beliefs like yours it does nothing for the credibility of your argument and makes you sound ignorant. Quit crying about the Tea Party. They havent raised your taxes, cost you your jobs, rewarded big bank execs, bankrupted our children with multiple bailouts, or lied to the American public about the state of our nation. I do of 1 party who has...

Buzz
05-02-2011, 03:18 PM
I see a lot of BS being thrown around with no numbers provided to support it. :rolleyes:

charly_t
05-02-2011, 03:21 PM
You know, it's all subjective.
My Mom & Dad lived through "The Depression."
They had jobs, but no food.
There wasn't any.
Meat was all but impossible to get.
(as they told it)

Today our poor who are suffering and on subsistance have;

Cable TV, smart phones, high speed internet and dress pretty damned well.

Depression?
Maybe just time to "CUT SPENDING!!"

At least around here that is what I see.
If anyone here is "starving," please let me know, I have a freezer full of venison, I will give you some.


RK

I agree with most of what you say............. this is a government created depression. Because they kept passing laws ( read rules and regulations ) on everything in this country over the years. They have driven most businesses right out of this country. Unions have helped drive businesses out also but who stood by and let them.......government.

Yep, meat was not in most people's diets back then. I must add this. We did not have an open season on deer in our area but we ate them anyway. Of course we had chickens on the farm so we ate some of them. People living in towns did not have those things like we did. They might have a steady job but some things could not be bought. We had relatives who came out and picked green beans in our garden to can and they were happy to get them.
They had no garden area.