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BHB
05-05-2011, 01:02 PM
THIS SOUNDS MORE LIKE WHAT PROBABLY HAPPENED!!!!
PANETTA ORDERED THE RAID ? ? This, forwarded by a Marine friend, is devastating if true.! And I for one would bet it is.! !




"What Valerie Jarrett, and the president, did not know is that Leon Panetta had already initiated a program that reported to him –and only him, involving a covert on the ground attack against the compound."

Q: You stated that President Obama was “overruled” by military/intelligence officials regarding the decision to send in military specialists into the Osama Bin Laden compound. Was that accurate?

A: I was told – in these exact terms, “we overruled him.” (Obama) I have since followed up and received further details on exactly what that meant, as well as the specifics of how Leon Panetta worked around the president’s “persistent hesitation to act.” There appears NOT to have been an outright overruling of any specific position by President Obama, simply because there was no specific position from the president to do so. President Obama was, in this case, as in all others, working as an absentee president.

... There's more but it's a long read so... here you go!

HERE'S THE LINK:
http://socyberty.com/issues/white-house-insider-obama-hesitated-panetta-issued-order-to-kill-osama-bin-laden/

M&K's Retrievers
05-05-2011, 02:15 PM
If this is true, it could be Hilary's ticket to the White House should she be so inclined.

Betting she's so inclined regards,

road kill
05-05-2011, 02:30 PM
THIS SOUNDS MORE LIKE WHAT PROBABLY HAPPENED!!!!
PANETTA ORDERED THE RAID ? ? This, forwarded by a Marine friend, is devastating if true.! And I for one would bet it is.! !




"What Valerie Jarrett, and the president, did not know is that Leon Panetta had already initiated a program that reported to him –and only him, involving a covert on the ground attack against the compound."

Q: You stated that President Obama was “overruled” by military/intelligence officials regarding the decision to send in military specialists into the Osama Bin Laden compound. Was that accurate?

A: I was told – in these exact terms, “we overruled him.” (Obama) I have since followed up and received further details on exactly what that meant, as well as the specifics of how Leon Panetta worked around the president’s “persistent hesitation to act.” There appears NOT to have been an outright overruling of any specific position by President Obama, simply because there was no specific position from the president to do so. President Obama was, in this case, as in all others, working as an absentee president.

... There's more but it's a long read so... here you go!

HERE'S THE LINK:
http://socyberty.com/issues/white-house-insider-obama-hesitated-panetta-issued-order-to-kill-osama-bin-laden/

I read this entire article.
You have to wonder who is running the show now that Rahm is in Chicago.

Once again, "The One" voted "present."

In my mind, over ruling the President sets a dangerous precedent.
Another issue of concern is that we were aware of Bin Laden's residence for "months?"
WTH????:confused:



RK

M&K's Retrievers
05-05-2011, 02:44 PM
Almost looks like Bin Laden was in a self imposed prison of sorts Comfortable I guess by their standards but still confinement.

Losthwy
05-05-2011, 02:45 PM
This is what I'm talking about the kind of absolute BS that the right wing unquestionably laps up. Then posts on site like this. From a website any tom, dick or harry can post any crap without any credentials. Another must read article from the same site. "White House Confirms, Charlie Sheen Consulted Before Bin Laden Raid". That should give you a clue. More on this poster with the screen name "Ulsterman" at Media Matters.
http://mediamatters.org/blog/201105040021

M&K's Retrievers
05-05-2011, 02:49 PM
This is what I'm talking about the kind of absolute BS that the right wing unquestionably laps up. Then posts on site like this. From a website any tom, dick or harry can post any crap without any credentials. Another must read article from the same site. "White House Confirms, Charlie Sheen Consulted Before Bin Laden Raid". That should give you a clue. More on this poster with the screen name "Ulsterman" at Media Matters.
http://mediamatters.org/blog/201105040021

I never said it was true, only made on observation if it were true.

Liberty Valance regards,

Buzz
05-05-2011, 02:59 PM
Here is a sampling of stories published by this anonymous blogger.

Now I can understand why discussion politics with you guys is like dropping by the asylum to add a bit of sanity to your day.

Anyone needing a bit more conspiracy in your life, you can find all you need right here:

http://www.triond.com/users/Ulsterman


White House Insider: Obama Hesitated - Panetta Issued Order to Kill Osama Bin Laden
Published on Socyberty, May 3, 2011

Did Senior Military/Intelligence Officials Overrule President Obama Regarding Mission to Kill Osama Bin Laden?
Published on Newsflavor, May 2, 2011

The Ulsterman Report: Obama Parties and Golfs Shortly Before Killing of Osama Bin Laden
Published on Newsflavor, May 2, 2011

White House Insider: Obama's West Wing Civil War
Published on Newsflavor, Apr 28, 2011

The Ulsterman Report: Will Obama Destroy American Economy?
Published on Newsflavor, Apr 18, 2011

The Ulsterman Report: President Titanic..
Published on Newsflavor, Apr 14, 2011

The Ulsterman Report: As National Budget Crisis Looms - Obama Runs Away
Published on Newsflavor, Apr 6, 2011

The Ulsterman Report: Obama's Birther Dilemma
Published on Newsflavor, Apr 5, 2011

The Ulsterman Report: President Trump?
Published on Newsflavor, Mar 30, 2011

White House Insider: Election 2012 - How Obama Wins - Who Can Defeat Him
Published on Newsflavor, Mar 29, 2011

The Ulsterman Report: BREAKING: Obama Declares We are NOT at War.
Published on Newsflavor, Mar 24, 2011

The Ulsterman Report: Obama Votes "Present" Yet Again..
Published on Newsflavor, Mar 23, 2011

The Ulsterman Report: The Contradiction President
Published on Newsflavor, Mar 22, 2011

White House Insider: "Obama Understands None of It"
Published on Newsflavor, Mar 21, 2011

The Ulsterman Report: Bill Clinton Blasts "Ridiculous" Obama Administration
Published on Newsflavor, Mar 15, 2011

White House Insider: "Something Was Not Right with This President"
Published on Newsflavor, Mar 15, 2011

White House Insider: President Obama Should Be Arrested
Published on Newsflavor, Mar 8, 2011

The Ulsterman Report: Thank Goodness Michael Moore is Here to Save America..
Published on Newsflavor, Mar 7, 2011

The Ulsterman Report: President Obama - Thy Name is Hypocrisy..
Published on Newsflavor, Mar 3, 2011

The Ulsterman Report: Valerie Jarrett and The Muslim Brotherhood
Published on Newsflavor, Feb 27, 2011

road kill
05-05-2011, 03:10 PM
This is what I'm talking about the kind of absolute BS that the right wing unquestionably laps up. Then posts on site like this. From a website any tom, dick or harry can post any crap without any credentials. Another must read article from the same site. "White House Confirms, Charlie Sheen Consulted Before Bin Laden Raid". That should give you a clue. More on this poster with the screen name "Ulsterman" at Media Matters.
http://mediamatters.org/blog/201105040021

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Media Matters??

Here, read wht your lefty Bible Snopes says about the objectivity of Media Matters;


#1 27 March 2011, 03:45 AM
snopes Join Date: 18 February 2000
Location: California
Posts: 92,830

Media Matters' war against Fox

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The liberal group Media Matters has quietly transformed itself in preparation for what its founder, David Brock, described in an interview as an all-out campaign of “guerrilla warfare and sabotage” aimed at the Fox News Channel.

The group, launched as a more traditional media critic, has all but abandoned its monitoring of newspapers and other television networks and is narrowing its focus to Fox and a handful of conservative websites, which its leaders view as political organizations and the “nerve center” of the conservative movement.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/51949.html



Yeah, tell us all about it!!



RK

Buzz
05-05-2011, 03:22 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Media Matters??

Here, read wht your lefty Bible Snopes says about the objectivity of Media Matters;



Yeah, tell us all about it!!



RK


From your article, no truer words have ever been spoken:


And Brock’s 2010 planning memo offers a glimpse at Media Matters’ shift from media critic to a new species of political animal.

“Criticizing Fox News has nothing to do with criticizing the press,” its memo says. “Fox News is not a news organization. It is the de facto leader of the GOP, and it is long past time that it is treated as such by the media, elected officials and the public.”

road kill
05-05-2011, 03:24 PM
From your article, no truer words have ever been spoken:

That is your unbiased middle of the road opinion.
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How intellectually honest!!:D


Buzz, I think you are a pretty smart guy, surely you can do better than this?
Maybe you are just in a hurry or something today.;)



RK

Losthwy
05-05-2011, 04:18 PM
That is your unbiased middle of the road opinion.
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...

How intellectually honest!!
RK


Get back to us with a unbiased "intellectually honest" no spin zone report from the pillar of journalism socyberty. Yeah, dodge the obvious with a another ha, ha, ha...:rolleyes:
http://socyberty.com/issues/white-house-confirms-charlie-sheen-consulted-before-bin-laden-raid/

Buzz
05-05-2011, 05:20 PM
Get back to us with a unbiased "intellectually honest" no spin zone report from the pillar of journalism socyberty. Yeah, dodge the obvious with a another ha, ha, ha...:rolleyes:
http://socyberty.com/issues/white-house-confirms-charlie-sheen-consulted-before-bin-laden-raid/

You should have provided the title of that article. It's priceless!


White House Confirms, Charlie Sheen Consulted Before Bin Laden Raid

Read more: http://socyberty.com/issues/white-house-confirms-charlie-sheen-consulted-before-bin-laden-raid/#ixzz1LW0OW654

Franco
05-05-2011, 05:22 PM
You should have provided the title of that article. It's priceless!


White House Confirms, Charlie Sheen Consulted Before Bin Laden Raid

Read more: http://socyberty.com/issues/white-house-confirms-charlie-sheen-consulted-before-bin-laden-raid/#ixzz1LW0OW654

Now that I can beleive! Afterall, Charlie did play a Navy Seal in a movie once;-) And, we all know Obama consults with Hollywood for all major decisions.

Losthwy
05-05-2011, 06:12 PM
You should have provided the title of that article. It's priceless!


White House Confirms, Charlie Sheen Consulted Before Bin Laden Raid

Read more: http://socyberty.com/issues/white-house-confirms-charlie-sheen-consulted-before-bin-laden-raid/#ixzz1LW0OW654

I would expect a title like that on the front page of the National Enquirer, possibly Glenn Beck, but not from any source to be taken seriously.
President slams tiger blood shots with Charlie regards.

starjack
05-05-2011, 06:42 PM
I see nothing funny about any of this nonsence at all

JDogger
05-05-2011, 08:35 PM
I see nothing funny about any of this nonsence at all

http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll176/JDoggger/LightenupFrancis.jpg

Now this is the sort of reply I should have gotten to my two posts to the poll thread a couple of days ago, and is pretty much what Bon, Bill, and Mike said in their comments. Chris saw it otherwise. To him I apologize. I did just notice that it is no longer a 'public' poll.

Stan, it seems that I am not the only one capable of sullen one-liners. Is it a WI thang, or just Starjack's?

Regards, Hugh
AKA JDogger, which I like to use because it honors the guy who got me started.

OK I'll vote now.

road kill
05-05-2011, 09:08 PM
http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll176/JDoggger/LightenupFrancis.jpg

Now this is the sort of reply I should have gotten to my two posts to the poll thread a couple of days ago, and is pretty much what Bon, Bill, and Mike said in their comments. Chris saw it otherwise. To him I apologize. I did just notice that it is no longer a 'public' poll.

Stan, it seems that I am not the only one capable of sullen one-liners. Is it a WI thang, or just Starjack's?

Regards, Hugh
AKA JDogger, which I like to use because it honors the guy who got me started.

OK I'll vote now.

Starjack just returned from one of his best friends sons funeral.
The young man made the ultimate sacrifice in Afgahnistan.



RK

JDogger
05-05-2011, 09:20 PM
Starjack just returned from one of his best friends sons funeral.
The young man made the ultimate sacrifice in Afgahnistan.



RK


Understood. JD

zeus3925
05-06-2011, 08:19 AM
Harry Truman said, "The buck stops here." When the hostage rescue failed in Iran, it proved to be the effective end of Carter's presidency. It didn't matter who planned it. It happened on his watch. If the bin Laden raid had failed the same would have happened to Obama.

But the bin Laden raid didn't fail. Obama deserves the credit for a job well done. He did it in the name of all of us and Osama came to a perfect ending--in a gunny sack at the bottom of the Indian Ocean.

The success could have been there for Obama's predecessor, but "W's" team lost the trail and abandoned the search. "W" even disbanded the task force trying to find bin Laden. Yet, there are those trying to cop kudos for "W". Baloney!!

Eric Johnson
05-06-2011, 10:28 AM
I'm stuck on a matter of logistics. There's no way on earth that 2 Blackhawks could carry 80 troops and gear. The Blackhawk maxes out at about 14 folks and they aren't carrying much. Then....put the Blackhawk at the altitudes of the mountains of Afganistan/Pakistan and you are really stretching things.

Two Chinooks could easily carry the specified load and there is a stealth version but the photos of the crashed helicopter isn't a Chinook. Could the US Army have a new helicopter that is black a la the F-111 and B-1? Or, did the Pakistani forces practice some deception on their own by making a false photo available to the press?

Eric

road kill
05-06-2011, 10:30 AM
I'm stuck on a matter of logistics. There's no way on earth that 2 Blackhawks could carry 80 troops and gear. The Blackhawk maxes out at about 14 folks and they aren't carrying much. Then....put the Blackhawk at the altitudes of the mountains of Afganistan/Pakistan and you are really stretching things.

Two Chinooks could easily carry the specified load and there is a stealth version but the photos of the crashed helicopter isn't a Chinook. Could the US Army have a new helicopter that is black a la the F-111 and B-1? Or, did the Pakistani forces practice some deception on their own by making a false photo available to the press?

Eric
That would be correct.


RK

starjack
05-06-2011, 04:28 PM
Understood. JD

GOOD...................