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MooseGooser
05-07-2011, 10:53 AM
I rarely post in here.
I dont feel I'm high enough up the intellectual ladder to discuss.

Heres my question.

Wasnt the revolutionary era in American history, started with the revolt of oppression and overtaxation from government??

Have we become afraid to bloody the bullies nose?

Are we really still Americans?

Gooser

gman0046
05-07-2011, 11:58 AM
I thought there were Americans living in this country until the Kenyan Clown got elected. There are apparently more Roger Perry's out there then I realized. The good news is in 2012 Americans will have their chance to throw this buffoon out of office. When is enough enough? Hopefully 2012 will answer that question.

Uncle Bill
05-07-2011, 12:34 PM
I rarely post in here.
I dont feel I'm high enough up the intellectual ladder to discuss.

Heres my question.

Wasnt the revolutionary era in American history, started with the revolt of oppression and overtaxation from government??

Have we become afraid to bloody the bullies nose?

Are we really still Americans?

Gooser


Happy to oblige, MG...which way did you come in??? Nyuk, Nyuk, Nyuk. ( a little Groucho Marx lingo for you)

FWIW, you are plenty high up that ladder to 'discuss' whatever turns your crank.

You ARE an American...join the TEA party and start swinging.

UB

This is what we are fighting:


"The danger to America is not Barack Obama, but the citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the presidency.

It will be easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency, than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to an electorate willing to have such a man for their president.

The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails us.

Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince.

The republic can survive a Barack Obama. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their President."

-- Author Unknown

Roger Perry
05-07-2011, 12:46 PM
I thought there were Americans living in this country until the Kenyan Clown got elected. There are apparently more Roger Perry's out there then I realized. The good news is in 2012 Americans will have their chance to throw this buffoon out of office. When is enough enough? Hopefully 2012 will answer that question.

More personal attacks unbelievable.:confused:

MooseGooser
05-07-2011, 02:28 PM
I dont know about personal attacks.

But think about somthing for a minute.

Those revolutionarys that decided to have enough guts to stand up for liberty and freedom, and fight against oppression, were a pretty brave bunch. They did a lot more than sling a few personal attacks at folks!
It seems to me there has to come a time when we OF THIS DAY AND AGE, decide we have had enough, and stop accepting the double talk and lies we have been given for a long time.

My opinion is,, If you dont beleive in the U.S. Constitution, and you dont Honor the men and women who have given thir lives to fight for Liberty and Freedom,, Quit tryin to make the U.S. something it wasnt founded as.

Move some where gall derned else!

My money is my money!! I EARNED it!
I really dont believe in givin it to some other person,, or some other COUNTRY that just wants to take advanage of the situation,, then sit back and call me names!

We live in the greatest profile of free earth on the planet. If we want to kepp it that way,, Some of us are going to have to decide if its worth fightin for,, or just set back and give it away!!

Just cleaned my guns regards:
Gonna go read a verse!

Gooser

Gooser

Roger Perry
05-07-2011, 03:46 PM
I dont know about personal attacks.

But think about somthing for a minute.

Those revolutionarys that decided to have enough guts to stand up for liberty and freedom, and fight against oppression, were a pretty brave bunch. They did a lot more than sling a few personal attacks at folks!
It seems to me there has to come a time when we OF THIS DAY AND AGE, decide we have had enough, and stop accepting the double talk and lies we have been given for a long time.

My opinion is,, If you dont beleive in the U.S. Constitution, and you dont Honor the men and women who have given thir lives to fight for Liberty and Freedom,, Quit tryin to make the U.S. something it wasnt founded as.

Move some where gall derned else!

My money is my money!! I EARNED it!
I really dont believe in givin it to some other person,, or some other COUNTRY that just wants to take advanage of the situation,, then sit back and call me names!

We live in the greatest profile of free earth on the planet. If we want to kepp it that way,, Some of us are going to have to decide if its worth fightin for,, or just set back and give it away!!

Just cleaned my guns regards:
Gonna go read a verse!

Gooser

Gooser
"I thought there were Americans living in this country until the Kenyan Clown got elected. There are apparently more Roger Perry's out there then I realized." per gboy.

After taking 4 years out of my life to serve the United States of America in the U.S. Navy I take it as a personal insult to say that I am not an American. My service can be verified unlike a certain President and I did not spend one day Campaigning for anyone while I fulfilled my service to my Country.

I would like to know if gboy has also spent even one day of his life giving to his Country or if he is one of those that can freely express themselves as they like because of the people that fought for his right to do so.

gman0046
05-07-2011, 04:27 PM
Perry the more you post the more you expose your ignorance. Can you please tell us how a person of limited intelligence like yourself could possibly do anything in the U.S. Navy to protect this country. Further more do you think you are the only one on this site to have served in the military? Again an example of your ignorance. I happen to be a USAF veteran and continued to serve this country with a career in the Federal Aviation Administration. Perry, other then being a cook in the Navy, what have YOU done for this country? I can also tell you one thing for certain the "Kenyan Clown" has never served one minute in this country's military.

I'm with Moose Gooser who is also an obvious American and believe enough of Perry's Messiah is enough. The BS surrounding the Bin Laden killing is further proof of this administrations short comings. First Bin Laden was killed in a fire fight, next he was unarmed. What is the truth? Almost a week after the killing they still can't get their story straight. The entire world is laughing at the "Kenyan Clown" taking credit for something he had nothing to do with.

Roger Perry
05-07-2011, 04:40 PM
Perry the more you post the more you expose your ignorance. Can you please tell us how a person of limited intelligence like yourself could possibly do anything in the U.S. Navy to protect this country. Further more do you think you are the only one on this site to have served in the military? Again an example of your ignorance. I happen to be a USAF veteran and continued to serve this country with a career in the Federal Aviation Administration. Perry, other then being a cook in the Navy, what have YOU done for this country? I can also tell you one thing for certain the "Kenyan Clown" has never served one minute in this country's military.

I'm with Moose Gooser who is also an obvious American and believe enough of Perry's Messiah is enough. The BS surrounding the Bin Laden killing is further proof of this administrations short comings. First Bin Laden was killed in a fire fight, next he was unarmed. What is the truth? Almost a week after the killing they still can't get their story straight. The entire world is laughing at the "Kenyan Clown" taking credit for something he had nothing to do with.

Another insult. I was a Radioman in the U.S. Navy during the Viet Nam era and not the U.S. Navy reserve where they only serve 2 years active duty.;-)

President Obama has served almost 2 and a half years as Commander In Chief of the United States of America and the way things are going look for him to have served 8 years as Commander in Chief of the United States of America.

gman0046
05-07-2011, 05:06 PM
Perry, once again you've been exposed yourself to all as being mentally deficient. Almost all of my adult life has been spent in service of this great country and take exception along with others to have our patriotism questioned by someone who's claim to fame is a radioman. If your such a great American as you profess, why don't you apply for a job in your Messiahs administration? You have the qualifications.

Buzz
05-07-2011, 05:36 PM
I can understand your frustration, given that taxes are the lowest they've been in 70 years.

Couldn't see a better time to take up arms than now, especially if you consider yourself a REAL American.

gman0046
05-07-2011, 05:49 PM
How about it Buzz what have YOU done for this country other then come from that War Zone Detroit? I'm sure those So Dakers were overjoyed you immigrated to their state.

Buzz
05-07-2011, 05:53 PM
Go ahead, bring on the personal attacks.

Sue Kiefer
05-07-2011, 06:01 PM
I have no poop to sling just a question for anyone to answer................
:monkey:
Where do you think we as a country would be right now IF Obama wasn't elected President??
Reason I am asking is.................from what I recall our country was going to the shi^house before Obama took office. Having that party of governent continue down that path would have been better?????????
Geez I don't know about that???
Just saying...............
Sue

Roger Perry
05-07-2011, 06:04 PM
Perry, once again you've been exposed yourself to all as being mentally deficient. Almost all of my adult life has been spent in service of this great country and take exception along with others to have our patriotism questioned by someone who's claim to fame is a radioman. If your such a great American as you profess, why don't you apply for a job in your Messiahs administration? You have the qualifications.

Another personal attack. I am shocked you are still alowed to post on here. What ever happened to BE CIVIL OR BE BANNED????????????

Buzz
05-07-2011, 06:11 PM
Another personal attack. I am shocked you are still alowed to post on here. What ever happened to BE CIVIL OR BE BANNED????????????



Roger, let it go... :cool:

It's not worth it.

Marvin S
05-07-2011, 06:27 PM
I can understand your frustration, given that taxes are the lowest they've been in 70 years.

Couldn't see a better time to take up arms than now, especially if you consider yourself a REAL American.

The issue is - taxes don't need to be as high as they are were sound principles of management applied by the governing masses. Is that difficult to understand?


I rarely post in here.
I dont feel I'm high enough up the intellectual ladder to discuss.

Heres my question.

Wasnt the revolutionary era in American history, started with the revolt of oppression and overtaxation from government??

Have we become afraid to bloody the bullies nose?

Are we really still Americans?

Gooser

Gooser - you just heard from Buzz, who should know better but can't seem to figure out that private sector unions & public sector unions are not one & the same. But I will not go into that explanation here.

The reason for the overtaxation is the salaries & benefits paid to the ruling class, at least that's what they think they are. Every public budget will contain about 80% for salaries & benefits, 18% to cover the cost of fuel, phones, heat, etc., the remainder (2%) is generally targeted for some task whatever that may be. Retirements are generally a state funded thing & are over & above that original cost. There has been a steady creep in the level of wages & benefits contributed to the public sector so that today the average public employee enjoys more from the money pool than they legitimately deserve. Beyond that there are more than required & they are a drain on the private sector in dealing with them.

Your state used to be reliably R, what happened? I can remember being on the Lake County RCC when I advanced the premise that we should only endorse people who were true to R principles. Lake County was not fertile R country. But we did, to the point that the 3 county commissioners elected about 20 or so years ago were all Libertarians. I have always fought against government getting more than their needed share, mostly unsuccessfully :o.

You're a nice guy, probably have lots of public employee friends who you converse with & get along well with. Just remember that they are picking your pocket & enoying renumeration the average private sector employee will never enjoy. That's a major reason why working people are unhappy with taxes, a lot of little guys (+ more than necessary) on the payroll receiving more than they should adds up.

Our sport is not inexpensive, just look at the number of very young able bodied individuals wandering the circuit. There's a better than 50% chance they are a retired public employee, living well at a young age while you work your tail off to pay for their lifestyle. I won't mention states other than to say most have major financial issues caused by unsound management, think Willie Brown ;-). IMO, not very fair. I, like you, made all mine the hard way, still enjoy doing what I can at this time in life, & am very proud of that :).

Losthwy
05-07-2011, 08:14 PM
Believe it or not there are Americans other than what resides at the far right of the spectrum. Demagoguery and ridicule are two of the tools that the authoritarian right use to belittle those that are not in lock step with them. It is petty, vindictive, divisive and anti-democratic. They are not anymore American than the rest, though they use the facade of patriotism. They are merely bullies that have graduated from pulling the wings off of flies.

luvmylabs23139
05-07-2011, 09:45 PM
Believe it or not there are Americans other than what resides at the far right of the spectrum. Demagoguery and ridicule are two of the tools that the authoritarian right use to belittle those that are not in lock step with them. It is petty, vindictive, divisive and anti-democratic. They are not anymore American than the rest, though they use the facade of patriotism. They are merely bullies that have graduated from pulling the wings off of flies.


WHAT THE HECK IS DEMOCRATIC ABOUT LAY AROUND WELFARE SLIME AND ILLEGALS THAT MULTIPLY FASTER THAN RABBITS STEALING HARD EARNED MONEY FROM THOSE THAT WORK???????

Losthwy
05-07-2011, 09:55 PM
WHAT THE HECK IS DEMOCRATIC ABOUT LAY AROUND WELFARE SLIME AND ILLEGALS THAT MULTIPLY FASTER THAN RABBITS STEALING HARD EARNED MONEY FROM THOSE THAT WORK???????

Exhibit A.

luvmylabs23139
05-07-2011, 09:59 PM
Exhibit A.

If you want to give away your hard earned money go for it. BUT DO NOT STEAL MINE.

charly_t
05-07-2011, 11:36 PM
I have no poop to sling just a question for anyone to answer................
:monkey:
Where do you think we as a country would be right now IF Obama wasn't elected President??
Reason I am asking is.................from what I recall our country was going to the shi^house before Obama took office. Having that party of governent continue down that path would have been better?????????
Geez I don't know about that???
Just saying...............
Sue

It seems to me that all elected are crooks. I can't see any difference anymore. We need to clean house by electing some honest people but it would seem that they aren't running for office in the USA.....maybe not in any country. Doesn't make any difference which party they belong to they
are all wheeling and dealing with our money.

charly_t
05-07-2011, 11:42 PM
I rarely post in here.
I dont feel I'm high enough up the intellectual ladder to discuss.

Heres my question.

Wasnt the revolutionary era in American history, started with the revolt of oppression and overtaxation from government??

Have we become afraid to bloody the bullies nose?

Are we really still Americans?

Gooser
I guarantee that you are smarter than some who post here on a regular basis and that incudes myself. You might enjoy reading about Isaac Sears. He took part in the original Tea Party. I don't have a link but a search on the net will get the info.

Losthwy
05-08-2011, 09:01 AM
It seems to me that all elected are crooks. I can't see any difference anymore.

Not all, there are good folks from all parties. And there are those that have "The Prince" on their bedside nightstand. You want wholesale changes, you need wholesale changes in election laws. When a incumbent spends half their term getting reelected something is wrong. Corporations have much too much say.

road kill
05-08-2011, 10:19 AM
Not all, there are good folks from all parties. And there are those that have "The Prince" on their bedside nightstand. You want wholesale changes, you need wholesale changes in election laws. When a incumbent spends half their term getting reelected something is wrong. Corporations have much too much say.

hmmmmmmm......what are your thoughts about an incumbent that spends his whole term getting reelected??


Just askin'........


RK

bobbyb
05-08-2011, 11:46 AM
hmmmmmmm......what are your thoughts about an incumbent that spends his whole term getting reelected??


Just askin'........


RK

AND basketball,golf , spiking the football and eating alot of ice cream...
BobbyB
cajun

Roger Perry
05-08-2011, 12:10 PM
MILITARY & VETERANS
• Ordered the Pentagon to cover expenses of families of fallen soldiers if they wish to be on site when the body arrives back in the US (2009)
• Ended the Bush-era “blackout” imposed on media coverage of the return of fallen US soldiers (2009) * Note: The media is now permitted to cover the story pending adherence to respectful rules and with the approval of the fallen soldier’s family
• Ended the Bush-era “black out” policy on media coverage of war casualties (2009) * Note: Full information is now released for the first time in the War on Terror
• Ordered better body armor to be procured for US troops (2009)
• Funding new Mine Resistant Ambush Vehicles (2009) * Note: The old Hummers were very vulnerable to roadside explosives and an alarming percentage of our soldiers lost in Iraq were on account of IEDs
• Working to increase pay and benefits for military personnel (2009)
• Improving housing for military personnel (2009)
• Initiating a new policy to promote federal hiring of military spouses (2009)
• Ordered that conditions at Walter Reed Military Hospital and other neglected military hospitals be improved (2009)
• Beginning the process of reforming and restructuring the military to a post-Cold War, modern fighting force (2009) * Note: Bush announced in 2001 his intention to do this but backed off the reforms after 9/11, which include: new procurement policies; increasing the size of Special Ops units; deploying new technologies; creating new cyber security units; etc.
• Ended the Bush-era practice of awarding “no-bid” defense contracts (2009)
• Improving benefits for veterans as well as VA staffing, information systems, etc. (2009)
• Authorized construction of additional health centers to care for veterans (2009)
• Suspended the Bush-era decision to purchase a fleet of Marine One helicopters from suppliers in favor of American made helicopters (2009)
• Ordered a review of the existing “Don’t ask, don’t tell” policy on gays in the military (2010)
• New GI Bill for returning veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan (2009)
• Signed bill providing assistance for caregivers of veterans wounded in Iraq and Afghanistan (2010) * Note: The omnibus bill does the following: Training, funding, and counseling for caregivers; promoting pilot childcare programs for women vets under treatment at the VA; independent oversight to prevent abuse; readjustment counseling for National Guard and reservist units; etc.
• Eliminated co-payments for veterans who are catastrophically disabled (2010)
• Fulfilled campaign promise to have combat troops (90,000) out of Iraq by August 31, 2010 (2010)
• Established a new interagency task force to assist veterans owning small businesses (2010) * Note: The efforts include promoting federal contract opportunities, improve access to loans and capital, mentor assistance programs, etc.
• Signed The Families of Fallen Heroes Act, which covers the moving costs of immediate family members of those lost in service (military, intelligence, and security personnel) (2010)

And that is just about the military--------------------------- did I mention he also gave orders to kill/capture Osama bin Laden #1 on the most wanted list since 2001????????????????????

Buzz
05-08-2011, 01:04 PM
AND basketball,golf , spiking the football and eating alot of ice cream...
BobbyB
cajun

You cajuns must be a petty bunch.

Either that or you don't appreciate multitasking.

Roger Perry
05-08-2011, 04:06 PM
I have no poop to sling just a question for anyone to answer................
:monkey:
Where do you think we as a country would be right now IF Obama wasn't elected President??
Reason I am asking is.................from what I recall our country was going to the shi^house before Obama took office. Having that party of governent continue down that path would have been better?????????
Geez I don't know about that???
Just saying...............
Sue

Here is an even more profound question for you. Where do you think we as a Country would be right now if GW Bush had never been elected President????????????? It has been shown alot of the people Bush surrounded himself with after he was elected were in favor of invading Iraq as early as 1998. Bush was left with a balanced budget and an economy in good shape and a low unemployment percentage a complete opposite of when he left office.

9/11/2001 happened but the Bush administration was warned something big was going to happen as early as July, 2001 and took no action to stop it. Would Gore have taken heed of these warnings and been able to stop al Qaeda from completing their mission?????????????? Would unemployment be 10% would we have a deficit over 14 trillion dollars??????????? Would we be involved in 2 wars that are the longest in the history of the United States?????

MooseGooser
05-08-2011, 05:06 PM
I dont like to get into Obama did this,, Bush did that debate!

Theys just Presidents. They arent Kings!!

I thnk Local involvement SHOULD be more productive.
I dont Like the FEDERAL Government! Theys to expensive for me!!
I don much better at WalMart,, where prices make sense, and I still get a good value with name brand junk!

ANYWAYS

Here is a Local collum that long ago, people in Colorado would jump up and down screaming here,, here.

I think what has changed, is Colorado has become a state of Tax recievers, rather than tax payers. I dont think the tax recievers want to stick a fork in theys eyes,, so we have our current climate.

But here is the collum.
I highlighted what I feel is important


WE CANT TAX OURSELVES RICH




Many of the same people who express concern for a "sustainable" energy policy are also advocates of more government spending, especially on social programs. But they have a fatal blind spot when it comes to economic sustainability.
Government spending has a finite limit, too. Balancing the budget is impossible if spending exceeds our tax capacity. Blithely assuming that ever higher tax rates will automatically produce the hoped-for windfall of revenues is a liberal delusion. A society can't tax itself rich. It can only produce itself rich, and there's a limit to how much you can soak the "rich" before you drown them in economic disincentives to the detriment of all.
This caution will doubtless fall on deaf ears to the folks at the Colorado Center on Law and Policy, another member of the hive that forms Colorado's activist "progressive" network. The group has a plan to close the state's looming, billion-dollar budget deficit. Not surprisingly, it doesn't include spending cuts. It would accommodate and expand our spending excesses with a selective tax increase of $1.5 billion. After a similar attempt was derailed in 2010, they're back with a new brew of ballot initiatives they've christened "A Fair Income Tax System" that would impose a graduated income tax on rich and not-so-rich Coloradans.
Taxes are much more than a source of revenue for this crowd. They're a means of achieving "economic justice" in the socialist sense, and fairness is code for redistribution of income.
Their "fair tax" would replace our current flat tax of 4.63 percent with an accelerating schedule of tax brackets, and also increase the 4.63 percent corporate income tax rate to 7 percent. Joint returns, for example, with incomes under $50,000 would see the tax rate drop to 4.2 percent while everyone else's goes up. The marginal rate on incomes between $50,000 and $100,000 would increase to 6.5 percent; then 7 percent between $100,000 and $200,000; 8 percent between $200,000 and $500,000; 9 percent between $500,000 and $1,000,000; and millionaires would be soaked at a marginal rate of 9.5, more than double the current rate.
This, of course, is over and above the top federal rate of 35 percent that Barack Obama and the Democrats want to hike to 39.6 percent along with the elimination of the ceiling on Social Security taxes, which would add another 12.4 percent payroll tax on incomes over $106,800.
Predictably, these progressives hope to seduce a majority of voters with a beggar-thy- neighbor appeal, claiming that 60 percent of Coloradans would pay the same or less than they do now. This assumes that their scheme won't have overall negative economic consequences. The fact that the bottom 50 percent on the income ladder currently pays less than 3 percent of federal income taxes while the top 10 percent carries 70 percent of the burden is ample proof that income taxes are already plenty progressive enough. Their corporate tax increase also ignores the reality that corporations don't really pay income taxes; they just collect them. Like all other business costs, they must ultimately be recovered from their customers. Only people pay taxes.
The progressives were apparently inspired by Rahm Emanuel's dictum, "You never want a serious crisis to go to waste." Hence, Colorado's budget deficit is a convenient excuse to do what progressives want to do when economic times are good, bad or mediocre: raise taxes on the rich (and middle class, in this case) and pass the goodies around. Their ploy will reward government profligacy, penalize productive enterprise and make Colorado a less attractive place to do business, driving away jobs.
California is an object lesson in this kind of folly that's unwise to imitate. Let's hope a majority of rational Coloradans have the good sense to reject this exercise in self- destructive "fairness."




Read more: Rosen: We can't tax ourselves rich - The Denver Post (http://www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_17405718#ixzz1LnRRFktq)http://www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_17405718#ixzz1LnRRFktq (http://www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_17405718#ixzz1LnRRFktq)
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Gooser

MooseGooser
05-08-2011, 05:09 PM
P.S.

I aint rich!!


I think I read somwheres that 47 percent of the current income earners in the United states pays "0" percent income tax.
Thats either because they dont make enough,, or
THEY QUALIFY FOR EVER INCREASING HANDOUTS provided by the Federal government PAID FOR by that hard workin 'RICH" guy!!

It seems to me,, that the FAIR tax that the CONSTITUTION demands, has come to mean,, To worker extra hard,, and let GOVERNMENT take your money to give it to others!!

Like I originally asked!

Isnt this whats all that revolution and havin a tea party thing was all about in the first place?

What FAIR about the AMERICAN Government taking money away from some,, to GIVE to Others!! How is that AMERICAN!
ANNND they want TAX more so they have more to give away!!

Sumtimes I think I should try and jump on that Gravy train,,

Nah!! Like I said!!! I cant afford them Ferderal Government types!! Theys cost to much

Gooser

Buzz
05-08-2011, 05:28 PM
I don't expect you to believe me, but the latest statistics I can find is for 2008.

In 2008 the top 10% made pretty close to 50% of the total income earned in the country. The top 10%'s tax burden was about 55% of total federal revenue.

I can dig it all out and present it to you, but I promise all them numbers are going to make your head hurt.

When folks throw numbers like the ones in your article around they don't want to talk about stuff like that, it doesn't help their case.

luvmylabs23139
05-08-2011, 06:16 PM
A great start to making taxes more FAIR is to eliminate any and all REFUNDABLE tax credits. That is nothing but flat out redistribution of wealth. Once you hit zero, that's it.

MooseGooser
05-08-2011, 06:16 PM
Buzz

Thanks for the offer on the numbers! I agree it will make my head spin!

I have already had to much beer today, and my head dont need no more spinnin!

But HERE,,
Look at this educational documentry I found.
This is much more on Goosers level of intellect.

The girl reminds me of Barbra! Shes really HOT,, but Man she'd make me jump off a bridge! (after it was repaired when it didnt need to be, and is now safe to jump off of.)

http://www.youtube.com/user/Battlefield315#p/u/5/vgTFiMUF4kY

Gooser

luvmylabs23139
05-08-2011, 06:23 PM
THese tax rates certainly are not lower than they were 70 years ago!
ONe did not even exist.

Medicare was legislated in 1965, and a new payroll tax was implemented in 1966 to cover the expense of the new entitlement program. The initial tax was 0.35%, payable by both the employee and employer on the first $6,600 of the employee's wages. The $6,600 upper wage limit rose by about 50% in total over the first 8 years, and then dramatically increased thereafter, until reaching $135,000 in 1993. That represents about an 11.40% annual increase between 1966 and 1993, whereas inflation increased at an annual rate of 5.38% during that time. The upper wage limit was eliminated in 1994, meaning that the tax began to be charged on all wages at that time.

While the Medicare wage limit was being increased, the tax rate was increased continuously as well. It approximately tripled in the first 8 years from 0.35% to 1.0%, and eventually hit the current level of 1.45% in 1986. In dollar terms, the amount collected on the wage limit maximum from both the employee and employer increased from $23.10 in 1966 to $1,957.50 on the $135,000 limit that was in place in 1993. That represents a 17.2% annual increase, whereas, as noted above, inflation increased at 5.38% over that period. Hence, the maximum tax was increased at over 3 times the rate of inflation, and again, there has been no maximum tax since 1994.

Changes in the Social Security tax are equally staggering. The tax was implemented in 1937 at 1.0% of the first $3,000 of wages. It stands today at 6.20% on the first $106,800 of wages. Inflation between 1937 and 2010 was 3.76% annually, whereas the wage limit has risen at 4.95%. Hence, even if the original 1.0% tax had remained constant, the amount collected on the limit would have increased substantially more than the rate of inflation due to the more rapidly increasing wage limit. However, with increases in both the limit and the rate, the tax in dollar terms has increased on the wage limit from $30 to $6,622, a 7.57% annual increase, which is double the rate of inflation between 1937 and 2010.

Roger Perry
05-08-2011, 07:38 PM
It's real easy to understand, Bush put millions of people and businesses out of work and they are no longer paying any taxes.;-)