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road kill
05-11-2011, 08:34 AM
What defines your political position?
I beleive (for the most part) all of us are where we are due to the roads we have traveled.
My road parallels the symbolism of "Forest Gump."

Awkward and unsure in HS (weren't we all? :D).
College athletics.
Military service in a foreign land.
(adventures that are indescribable)
Tumutuous times politically to sort through.
Time with my soul mate.
(ultimately lost her to a strange disease)
The loss of those around me that mattered most.
Efforts at business ventures.

DOGS!!!


And now here.
I do indeed respect almost all the posters here and those of you I have had the great fortune to meet!
(more than you might imagine)
I fully understand that I will NOT change any minds here.
I do not post anything here I would not say to anyones face.

And I am described as a right wing extremist.

If this gets any traction I will add more..............



RK

caryalsobrook
05-11-2011, 08:41 AM
What defines your political position?
I beleive (for the most part) all of us are where we are due to the roads we have traveled.
My road parallels the symbolism of "Forest Gump."

Awkward and unsure in HS (weren't we all? :D).
College athletics.
Military service in a foreign land.
(adventures that are indescribable)
Tumutuous times politically to sort through.
Time with my soul mate.
(ultimately lost her to a strange disease)
The loss of those around me that mattered most.
Efforts at business ventures.

DOGS!!!


And now here.
I do indeed respect almost all the posters here and those of you I have had the great fortune to meet!
(more than you might imagine)
I fully understand that I will NOT change any minds here.

And I am described as a right wing extremist.

If this gets any traction I will add more..............



RK

You are just a middle of the road moderate:)

DSO
05-11-2011, 09:53 AM
I remember as a young man not feeling too good about my country. Under Carter nothing seemed to go right. Seemed like The Soviet Union was pushing us around in the cold war and tensions were high. I remember the botched attempt to free the American hostages in Iran. Then comes Regan on his presidential run. He had confidence and the things he said made sense to me. He was a strong confident person. The opposite of Carter in my eyes. The kind of guy that made you feel proud of your country. I remember him pledging to free the hostages asap if he was elected. And the topper... "Are you better off today than you were 4 years ago". He got my vote. He got allot of peoples vote and became President. The hostages were freed / he took on the Soviet Union... "Mr. Gorbachev, take down that wall"! He eventually broke them. I remember him firing all the air traffic controllers because they thought they could strike and cripple air travel until they got their way. There was other stuff... but these stick out the most. So I'm a Republican with a conservative tilt. I just think that people should be more self reliant. That's me. Good topic.

Danny

BonMallari
05-11-2011, 10:24 AM
What defines your political position?








RK


Great question Stan :D

Personally, I grew up where was once a very conservative part of So. Calif and spent my summers in a very liberal town of Austin TX...my ethnicity and chosen profession would suggest a liberal siding but I have nothing in common with the liberal side but those two factors. I have a couple of siblings that lean to the left but the majority of my family is heavily on the right. Our family doesnt consider ourselves Filipino Americans, we think of ourselves as Americans who happen to be of Filipino descent..huge difference... have only supported ONE democrat in my life, and he was my local congressman, who later turned out to be one heck of a dog trainer, he was one of Rex Carr's original clients,and was even a National Finalist

thanks to my family and my upbringing my political values are more conservative and seem to grow stronger with each passing year

Great topic

caryalsobrook
05-11-2011, 10:46 AM
Great question Stan :D

Personally, I grew up where was once a very conservative part of So. Calif and spent my summers in a very liberal town of Austin TX...my ethnicity and chosen profession would suggest a liberal siding but I have nothing in common with the liberal side but those two factors. I have a couple of siblings that lean to the left but the majority of my family is heavily on the right. Our family doesnt consider ourselves Filipino Americans, we think of ourselves as Americans who happen to be of Filipino descent..huge difference... have only supported ONE democrat in my life, and he was my local congressman, who later turned out to be one heck of a dog trainer, he was one of Rex Carr's original clients,and was even a National Finalist

thanks to my family and my upbringing my political values are more conservative and seem to grow stronger with each passing year

Great topic

Hm not Filipino American?? Calls to mind terms like Latin American, Native American, African american, Mexican American. I think I know the answer as to why you choose "Americans" instead.

charly_t
05-11-2011, 03:21 PM
My earliest political type memories are of FDR and his socialistic ideas. Of course I don't think that term was used back when I was a child (1940s). My Dad was really opposed to a lot of what FDR was "for". My Mother-in-law was very vocal about her dislike for FDR ( 1957 on ). Of course FDR had not been president for some years at that time but she still talked about his bad "work".
More control of the people in the USA was not favored by the people that we knew and visited with. I'd say the above is what shaped my views more than anything else.

Uncle Bill
05-11-2011, 06:58 PM
And I am described as a right wing extremist.


RK




WOW!!! You made the bigtime also eh? Is that to be construed as adjectival???...or out and out "name calling"?

I have provided Roger with a simple chart. It will be interesting where we might show up in his way of rating.

Whatever is in the future, Stan, and however they have you 'described', I know you are a card-carrying conservative...so wear it with pride.

UB

BonMallari
05-11-2011, 10:35 PM
Hm not Filipino American?? Calls to mind terms like Latin American, Native American, African american, Mexican American. I think I know the answer as to why you choose "Americans" instead.

Well the reason is my dad taught us. He was a decorated US Army officer (26th Calvary Filipino American Scouts) and he fought in WWII so his kids would have a better life and grow up in America, he wanted us to be proud of being American..it also freaks people out when they ask one of us where we are from...and we proudly answer " Austin Texas or Buena Park Calif.":D

caryalsobrook
05-11-2011, 10:43 PM
Well the reason is my dad taught us. He was a decorated US Army officer (26th Calvary Filipino American Scouts) and he fought in WWII so his kids would have a better life and grow up in America, he wanted us to be proud of being American..it also freaks people out when they ask one of us where we are from...and we proudly answer " Austin Texas or Buena Park Calif.":D

I'm sure my ancestors would have said to your father and family, "Welcome to America!!"

1tulip
05-12-2011, 12:21 AM
My parents grew up in the Jim Crowe south. We lived in Montgomery, AL at the dawn of the Civil Rights movement. Even though they had grown up with the "casual cruelty" of their era and region, they somehow instinctively knew we are all the same before God, and should be equal in our social and civic interactions.

It seems so basic and simple now. But they had to buck the current of their entire culture. So, this is how they raised us. Equal dignity. Equal opportunity. Equal in fortune and misfortune. Equal in hard knocks and hard work. The harder a man works, the "luckier" he gets. They would not let me EVER blame my circumstances on anyone else. The other guy might be a jerk and unjust. But it was my job to best him, beat him, get around him, or die trying.

Mostly, they taught me that predicating my life and feelings on what other folks said about me... made me their slave. I could never be a genuinely free person, if I was busy being another guy's victim.

So... here comes a more progressive culture, and we have to cut the down-trodden some slack. (I'm OK with that... I don't want to be the kind of jerk red-necks I remember as a kid.) Then the progressives start saying we have to give the down-trodden the place at the head of the table, the scholarship my kid can't get, the easier interview process, and finally... my hard earned wealth.

No. That would betray everything my folks lived by, the very core of everything they taught us about right and wrong. And it only poisons the well for the "down-trodden." And though I'm taking this stand and going to my grave knowing they were wise and right... and though I know the direction of the country is fundamentally twisted... I am not going to blame my failures (or credit my success) to any "government".

road kill
05-12-2011, 09:32 AM
Hmmmmm.......
It's somewhat interesting that no "middle of the road independents" have described their "progression."
(pun intended;-))

Either they don't know how they got where they are, or perhaps they are not particularly proud of the journey???


Just sayin'........


RK

road kill
05-12-2011, 12:56 PM
So.......I grew up in St Louis.
As a JR in HS (1968) I went to see the "Southern Christian Leadership Foundation" and Ralph Abernathy host a speaker at the U of MO campus in Columbia MO.
I watched this man speak and thought here is the guy that could bridge the gap.
It was awesome.

He failed.

The speaker??


Jesse Jackson


---more----
When I played football at NE MO State/Truman State I had some errant ideas about things.
But was far from the biggest redneck there.
I saw some stuff that I knew was wrong.
But I learned something from a black man I played along side of.
Everyone would always complement him for all of his God given talent.
Funny thing about Lenvil, whenever the coach sent us in, Lenvil stayed out and worked, and worked and worked!!!
His work ethic and values stayed with me to this day!!

One day some years later I watched SF play Cinn in the Super Bowl.
FB for the 49er's??

Lenvil Elliot......he earned it!!
--more--

When I returned from SE Asia we were greeted by a contingency of hippies from Berkely and Carmel CA.
They threw eggs, tomatoes and human excrement at us.
We were kids, coming home from what we thought was our honorable duty.
It was horrible.
"All gave some, some gave all."
(if you want some details on some days there, ask)

They were lazy pukes that stayed home and listened to rock music and experimented with sex and drugs.
Yet they despised us.

--more to come--

RK

JDogger
05-12-2011, 10:42 PM
Hmmmmm.......
It's somewhat interesting that no "middle of the road independents" have described their "progression."
(pun intended;-))

Either they don't know how they got where they are, or perhaps they are not particularly proud of the journey???


Just sayin'........


RK

There are no MOI left here Stan. No one cares to argue with you anymore.
Well, maybe Roger...but no one takes him seriously either. Peas in a pod ya know. Who cares what makes us who we are? My past was pretty much what you descibe in your OP. With the exception of losing a spouse.
Yet somehow we find ourselves on different ends of the spectrum.
I don't post here to change anyone's mind either. I'm not calling you or anyone else stupid. I like Forest. He overcomes.

I guess if I would define why I am not a republican, and a conservative, is because I see them so often on the wrong side of history.

Witness today's statements by John McCain...or the further revalations about Sen. Ensign.

I'm not a socialist, or a communist. I just don't buy into what you and others here have to say about our current state of affairs.

I have never attacked former Pres. Bush here. Neither have I extoled the virtues of BHO. I am content to throw a little barb here and there.

Now please...don't feel compelled to correct my spelling. It is petty and beneath you. JDogger

Marvin S
05-12-2011, 10:59 PM
I believe (for the most part) all of us are where we are due to the roads we have traveled.

And I am described as a right wing extremist.

If this gets any traction I will add more..............



RK

We are the road we travelled providing, we gained from those experiences :). We have people on this forum who I think are intelligent that apparently missed the gaining.

In SD I am a moderate, UB is just a little right of center. Buzz the transplant has a sign on I-90 between Mitchell & Sioux Falls that covers those of his ilk :-P.


The speaker??


Jesse Jackson


---more----
When I played football at NE MO State/Truman State I had some errant ideas about things.
But was far from the biggest redneck there.
I saw some stuff that I knew was wrong.
But I learned something from a black man I played along side of.
Everyone would always complement him for all of his God given talent.
Funny thing about Lenvil, whenever the coach sent us in, Lenvil stayed out and worked, and worked and worked!!!
His work ethic and values stayed with me to this day!!

One day some years later I watched SF play Cinn in the Super Bowl.
FB for the 49er's??

Lenvil Elliot......he earned it!!
--more--

There are folks of every race that I would not mind having as friends :o.


When I returned from SE Asia we were greeted by a contingency of hippies from Berkely and Carmel CA.
They threw eggs, tomatoes and human excrement at us.
We were kids, coming home from what we thought was our honorable duty.
It was horrible.
"All gave some, some gave all."
(if you want some details on some days there, ask)

They were lazy pukes that stayed home and listened to rock music and experimented with sex and drugs.
Yet they despised us.

--more to come--

RK

Those are the folks that are the backbone of the Democratic Party as it exists today. As George Will would say "full of zeal, destiutute of information". The folks that went to Vietnam were not volunteers, Lyndon Johnson's war :(.

Any one who can associate themselves with this type of individual/group says an immense amount about who they are.

I've seen a whole lot from the perspective of being someone on the outside. It gives you an entirely different slant on life.

People are People & that's why I like my dogs ;-).

road kill
05-13-2011, 11:55 AM
There are no MOI left here Stan. No one cares to argue with you anymore.
Well, maybe Roger...but no one takes him seriously either. Peas in a pod ya know. Who cares what makes us who we are? My past was pretty much what you descibe in your OP. With the exception of losing a spouse.
Yet somehow we find ourselves on different ends of the spectrum.
I don't post here to change anyone's mind either. I'm not calling you or anyone else stupid. I like Forest. He overcomes.

I guess if I would define why I am not a republican, and a conservative, is because I see them so often on the wrong side of history.

Witness today's statements by John McCain...or the further revalations about Sen. Ensign.

I'm not a socialist, or a communist. I just don't buy into what you and others here have to say about our current state of affairs.

I have never attacked former Pres. Bush here. Neither have I extoled the virtues of BHO. I am content to throw a little barb here and there.

Now please...don't feel compelled to correct my spelling. It is petty and beneath you. JDogger


Probably the best post I ever read from you!:D
(just a tiny little hate seeping out;-))


Kahones vs cahones regards..........;-)

Thanks,


RK

Marvin S
05-13-2011, 12:37 PM
I guess if I would define why I am not a republican, and a conservative, is because I see them so often on the wrong side of history. JDogger

Please expand on that.

IMO - McCain may have been a war hero but he's used those points up! I look at him as the Senate version of Roger Perry :). Ensign is another who couldn't keep his zipper up, but there's a lot of that in both party's, U do remember the Chappaquickdick Kid don't U.

But maybe your version of R & C is Pete Domenici :(.

Matt McKenzie
05-13-2011, 12:54 PM
Grew up in the deep south, experimented with alcohol, drugs and liberalism in late teens. Dropped out of college as a result and went to work in construction. Realized where that was taking me and decided to join the Navy.
Spent the last 24 years serving with amazing people from every area of this country (and many from other countries), every race, religion, political persuasion and sexual orientation. Travelled the world and discovered what "poor" really looks like. Saw countries that have thrived under the American version of freedom and democracy, saw countries irreversibly damaged by socialism, communism and authoritarian dictators. Saw once great nations gradually decaying because of social policies that are economically unsupportable and a populace that has developed an incredible entitlement mentality.
I've witnessed and been a small part of some of America's greatest foreign policy moments as well as some of its worst.
All of this has taught me a few things:
America is by far the greatest nation the world has ever known.
Anyone without debilitating physical or mental handicaps can be successful in this country.
Some of our fellow citizens deserve our help and support because they are incapable of providing for themselves but the majority of those that we support just need to get up and go to work.
Our station in life is a culmination of the choices we have made. If you are unhappy with your life, the first step is to figure out what YOU did to make it that way. The second step is to take action to change it.
If that makes me a right wing extremist meanie, then so be it.

road kill
05-13-2011, 01:15 PM
I am surprised no one has described "Bent Over" as their current political position!!:D


RK

cotts135
05-13-2011, 03:39 PM
After turning 18 and after having a few minor run in's with the law It was time for me to grow up so I joined the Air Force. Big big culture shock for me and apparently my disdain for authority had not completely left me and once again I found myself on the short end of the stick. Time to grow up some more and take responsibility for everything that happened to me. That one change in my personal development I believe was the most important decision I made in my life and got me through a difficult time . I continue to live by it and preach it to anyone who wants to listen.

Today the most important lens I look through when viewing politics is the fact that this nation is a REPUBLIC not a democracy as most people believe. As such we are defined as a Nation of Laws and to me that virtue is a beacon for which we should follow when making difficult decisions and it is an ideal which we need to constantly strive for.

caryalsobrook
05-16-2011, 12:04 AM
RK, Hookset, Cotts, wonderful posts to read. As for me, I am what my father and mother made me. For that I feel extremely lucky.While I have never met any of you, in a very nice and satisfying way I feel I know each of you. Thanks for the personal remarks.